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X1 vs Touch HD

I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?

Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.

Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.

harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?

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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?

OMG!!!!! TOUCH PRO 2! (Looks like HD)

Wow!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/

Touch Pro 2 - Possible upgrade to HD? 5mm thicker 30g heavier, slide outkeyboard+3.6" VGA+more
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html
Diamond 2:
3.2" VGA etc
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html

Sadly. . . no 3.5 mm jack. Its meant for business people.
Also this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-ceo-windows-mobile-6-5-to-be-announced-this-afternoon/
HOLY CRAP. . .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).

I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.

I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.
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Like I said .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).
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That new TPro is still sexy though , but they could have done with out the bezel and all the brushed aluminum(not saying that I don't like).

*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2

excellent birthday present....
I think my girlfriend will be pleased when i'll give her the diamond2 for her birthday (hoping it will be available by then)
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
Grtz,
Degake

degake said:
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
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What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.

ClownShoes said:
What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.
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I was expecting that someone would give this comment
And I truely/deeply hope I can fiddle with the phone and my girlfriend then (but best not both at the same time )
Grtz,
Degake

i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!

sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/

KennyDies said:
Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/
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The Touch Pro 2 is just too heavy for me, the HD is bad enough...same old story, to keyboard or not to keyboard. The WhiteStone is supposed to be the replacement for the HD. Who knows when it will come. Personally I don't care to upgrade my HD because with these new devices come new roms, YES!

sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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i fully believe that the new TouchFLO will be available to the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS
and i can't wait, it seems to have some nice additions and tweaks
o and WinMo 6.5 will definitely be available for the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS (not an official upgrade, but fully awesome)

not impressed
I'm not impressed, i have had three HTC Phones and all have been underpowered due lack of chipset drivers, I will be probably looking towards the omnia HD next, unless HTC decide to shell out the cash for licences for drivers. it winds me up no end that. made I was fooled yet again by HTC into buying one of their half finished handsets.

Its good more XVGA's are coming out as it means more supported apps. Maybe a google version might help us crack the RGB666 issue.

Hardware Keyboard
I sincerely beleive that the HD (aka beast, aka black stone) is currently the ultimate device. Most people who long for a hardware keyboard must have never used the TouchPal. I have done continuous testing and TouchPal allows me and most other people to type considerable faster. I DO RECCOMEND IT for anyone who has not tried it.
I love what I'm seeing with the new ROMs out there and I'm not worried at all that the brilliant minds of this community will bring it to the world best device. Heck, after WM 6.1 was ported to the BlueAngel than everything is possible here!
I love my HD and these new devices can't even hold a candle to it. 3.8 WVGA display, FM Radio, 5MP camera with Autofocus, GPS, front full 2nd VGA camera, 7 hardware buttons, magnetic stylus, expandable memeory via Micro SD (now up to 32GB) all in a form factor the same size as the iPhone! (who can beat that?!)
Only thing the HD's missing is US 3G support, and Video Out, and a capacitve touchscreen.
Damn I love my HD!!!!!
The only way to make the HD better
The on

ahjdmarchi said:
i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL yes many of us agree with you there!

I wonder if there's an exact launch date on this. I'm due for an upgrade soon.

Before getting the HD, I was a happy TyTN II user. Sure I wished for at least VGA and a larger screen but I was content (with the technology back then). But when the super sexy HD came out with WVGA and faster performance I was interested but the lack of keyboard held me back till I found out I could manipulate the screen to horizontal for any "serious typing" since the landscape keyboard was almost the same size in length as the physical keyboard. Now with FingerKeyboard (the black & red) I am completely satisfied. I gained light-weight and thin and able to type.
My next upgrade will be for windows 6.5 and the faster processor and video card!

I think my girlfriend will be pleased
I just pre-ordered the diamond2
expected delivery date: april 10th
I'm gonna be so lucky tonight
Grtz,
Degake

Touch HD or Touch Diamond?

I bought a Touch Diamond a few months ago... it's running a Diamond Project rom and upgraded radio and has been an excellent device.
Anyway I just changed carriers from 3 Mobile to Telstra and they gave me a Touch HD.
So now I'm sitting here wondering if I should just keep the Touch Diamond and sell the HD or upgrade the rom on the HD, keep that and sell the Touch Diamond.
It shouldn't be a hard decision. Which one is the better phone?

I prefer the Touch HD: more ram, bigger screen with more resolution, memory card slot, better battery, 3.5 audio connection,...

HD all the way... No question about that

No contest (for me) - take the HD. But for you, you might prefer smaller memory, tiny screen and horrible diamond back that does not lay flat on a surface (but the keyboard is so small you can't type anyway).
Seriously, the HD is fantastic. Screen is amazing, battery life is very good and the size is just right (not too big, not too small).
The only thing I really don't like on the HD (same on the diamond) is the poor camera. It's fine for dead things but the moment you have any movement then goodbye quality !

Cheesy Dave said:
No contest (for me) - take the HD. But for you, you might prefer smaller memory, tiny screen and horrible diamond back that does not lay flat on a surface (but the keyboard is so small you can't type anyway).
Seriously, the HD is fantastic. Screen is amazing, battery life is very good and the size is just right (not too big, not too small).
The only thing I really don't like on the HD (same on the diamond) is the poor camera. It's fine for dead things but the moment you have any movement then goodbye quality !
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Agreed, though I'd buy a separate camera!!

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Agreed, though I'd buy a separate camera!!
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Done that - Panasonic Lumix LZ28 - amazing, if only they could build it into the size of the HD !

Cheesy Dave said:
Done that - Panasonic Lumix LZ28 - amazing, if only they could build it into the size of the HD !
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Nice one. This is something that has always annoyed me with WM & HTC. They are behind other manufacturers when it comes to camera quality. Why is it that HTC release phone after phone with no real improvement in camera? and where is the bloody flash!!!!

Fallen Spartan said:
Nice one. This is something that has always annoyed me with WM & HTC. They are behind other manufacturers when it comes to camera quality. Why is it that HTC release phone after phone with no real improvement in camera? and where is the bloody flash!!!!
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I agree. Technically it's possible. I had for a few days an Omnia which was rubbish in virtually all aspects except the rather good camera (the sound also was quite good).
HTC's weak spot does seem to be the camera/video capabilities.
I do use the HD for taking snaps of pages, posters, etc but I've given up trying to photo anything living.

thanks for that...I thought as much. I just wanted to hear from users to confirm. I flashed the HD with Dutty's 2.3 Extreme last night...then noticed he just released 2.4 Extreme. I've downloaded it...it's ready to go onto the HD. By the time I configure it, Dutty will probably have released another three versions though.

HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
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TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

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The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts

thoughts on the hd2 mini......

so guys, its been announced....the hd2 has been shrunk down in size. what are your thoughts?, do you new hd2 owners wish you had waited a while longer or are you happy with your king sized phone?.personally, id have got the larger model anyway, after owning a hd2(original) id never , or at least hope i never have to downsize again.is this new smaller size aimed for the ladies....? lol
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html

HD2 > HD Mini.
I would like a smaller HD2 though, with a 4-inch screen or something. Even 3.8-inch. Because using the HD2 with a single hand is a little bit to much work..
But the HD Mini goes TO far. 3.2 inch screen is to small.

it is not the same. slower cpu, less ram. what makes You think it's the same but smaller???

old news, I posted about this yesterday...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=634015
like the look but the HD2 owns it!!!

and my big question with this is....
why id it called a touch "HD" mini when sht screen is far from HD...
i know some will read that wrong and say that the hd2 isnt 720p or 1080p HD and all that but i mean in the broadest terms..
High Defenition... is HVGA High Defenition? me thinks not lol.

aikon359 said:
and my big question with this is....
why id it called a touch "HD" mini when sht screen is far from HD...
i know some will read that wrong and say that the hd2 isnt 720p or 1080p HD and all that but i mean in the broadest terms..
High Defenition... is HVGA High Defenition? me thinks not lol.
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I agree... less screen, less cpu, less RAM, less ROM, hd2 mini? more of a hd1 mini.....

Well, it is called HTC HD mini, not HTC HD2 mini ...

Never heard of a WinMo HVGA device before... is this new in 6.5.3? If so, what about app compatibility? How many apps work on this new resolution?

Why make an HD-mini, when it is not much different from the Diamond2?
HD-Mini: more memory, slightly faster processor.
Diamond2: Better screen resolution.

Found some interesting stuff here, for example it is running WinMo build 23101.

I like my hd2 very much, why make it mini.
For those who like mini, take a mini
kk

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Found some interesting stuff here, for example it is running WinMo build 23101.
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What is the dude in the video even doing? I got so angry at him watching the first ~2 minutes that I just couldn't continue.

Noticed the start button is not present anymore.... (Since there is a start button and back already i assumed so no need to have them on the softkeys)only 2 softkeys on the taskbar each time... cleaner look i think. better than the 6.5.3 currently which would have 5 softkey biuttons most of the time... anybody know how we can do this???

hope i never have to downsize...but it seem the hd2 will be the last big phone..i hope not..