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X1 vs Touch HD

I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?

Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.

Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.

harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?

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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?

HTC Touch Pro 2, or HTC Touch HD?

Hey guys new member of the forum i will soon be getting a new phone and it will be either the Touch Pro 2 or the Touch HD. I'm not sure which one to get as i can live without a hardware keyboard which makes the device slimmer and easier to hold, but the question is what is the difference between the 2 phones? are they running the exact same software with the same features etc etc? if they operate exactly the same the HD looks nicer in my opinion, this will be my first time owning a windows mobile, will both phones get the same updates/custom roms. Other peoples opinions on these phones would be a great help, thanks in advance.
Sorry if this is not the correct section to be posting this.

If it was me, I'd maybe hold out for the HTC Leo, the HD's successor
Another thread which is kinda similar regarding people asking what to get after the HD maybe worth a read

thanks for your reply i will have a read of that, the issue is my contract runs out soon and the Leo doesn't yet have a release date and will be getting a new phone the day my contract runs out as i can't get through the day without my phone lol.

Isn't much difference apart from the qwerty keyboard, screen size, D-pad and camera. Generally everything else is similar. Check both the specs and read the wiki for both devices, have a look at the rom forums on both to see whats available.
It would most likely come down what you want, or what your looking for in a device. Basically personal opinion.

TP2 every day in the week.

thanks for the feedback guys. Well i prefer a slightly bigger screen and a slimmer looking phone and find the TP2 to be a little bulky, but if the software is the same this helps a lot as i like the look of the software from the TP2 which will be the same on the HD.
ArtieQ said:
TP2 every day in the week.
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could you maybe give some reasons on your view on why this would be the best choice? Thanks

The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?

dgattenb said:
The HD .. Huge screen .. and um... rather slim and cute looking .. I have a black silicone suround for it and mirror suraface.... and a huge screen with a huge resoultion .. did I mention that?
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Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD. And the TP2 got a keyboard and 4 hardware buttons you can actually feel.

ArtieQ said:
Huge screen, but huge screen means less pixels = less quality. TP2 got a huge advantage when it comes down to screen resolution vs. HD.
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You're kidding, right? TP2 and HD both have WVGA - you're not seriously telling me that the pixel density on the HD is not high enough? I doubt you could even tell the difference between the two concerning DPI!
And I'd rather have a larger screen than a smaller one - even if the higher DPI would make a difference... What's the use of having a higher DPI on a smaller screen?

Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices

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Hd is better in music as it has 3.5 mm audio jack which means better sound quality and also hd is higher in price (the only issue is that hd will not get wm6.5 officially from htc ) but i think it will but htc does not announce that to sell alot of the recent devices
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I have a Touch HD, although it is in for repairs at the moment, and would consider the TP2 but the lack of a headphone jack is killing me. I live in the US and have not had a chance to play with the TP2. I have AT&T which I am assuming will not have the headphone jack like the Sprint and Verizon (CDMA) model has, Lucky Bastards!!! Anyway, that is what will probably stop me from getting the TP2.
I am sure there will be other options with a headphone jack in the future since HTC has made it clear that most future devices will have them. TP3?? I think they are a little sore from the lashing they took for not putting it in the TP2 which is clearly a great multimedia device. Kida like buying some of the original flat panel tv's that didn't have a TV tuner or speakers. Kinda defeats the purpose.

Well I personally recomend the Touch HD (not only for the reason that I have it and I love it ) when I was choosing my device I was looking for the bigest screen on the market as I like browsing the internet a lot and let me say this BIGGER IS BETTER when we are talking about PPC's nothing can change that also you get a cool design that gets the "WOW" effect from anyone and your pants will not fall to the ground when you are carying it in your pocket.It really depends on the person but for me if I have two phones with almost equal specifications I'll go for the bigger screen even if it is 0,1 inches bigger than the other one.Leo is probably my next device but I heard great things about TOSHIBA's TG01 4.1 inch monster with 1ghz proccessor that's only 10mm thick if you can get your hands on that (it's available in some areas) I would recommend that.

If you are only using one phone I would get the TP2. As I already have the E71 for emails etc I ordered the Touch HD yesterday as a semi tablet.

if it were me, id let my contract run out, continue using the service with your old phone until Leo is released, then upgrade if your carrier runs with the leo, if it doesnt id then upgrade to the most expencive phone they offer then leaving it in its box id flog it on ebay an use the money to buy the leo...
just my thoughts

Touch HD worth it?

Hey guys,
I currently own a Sony Ericsson Xperia, and am possibly looking for a new phone. I love the look of a proper HTC phone, with Manilla ofc, because I love it, and they are good quality phones. I can't decide between a Diamond 2 (Topaz) or a Touch HD (Blackstone) and would like to know what you guys love so much about the Touch HD.
Be it custom ROMs here, features etc. I would love to know what you like best =)
Thanks ^^

I love everything about my HD! Sad init!
Why not hold out for the new HTC Leo though?

madin,
Yes, very much so. Once you've seen a TouchHD, it makes you wonder why you even paid all that money for a screensize that is on Xperia. Lawl.
And yes, programs like FingerKeyboard and RescoKeyboard PRO makes it almost natural even without a physical keyboard. However, just understand that with great screen size, comes great responsibility.
If you're one to treat your phones with callousness, stick to your SEX1. High pressure can render your TouchHD inflicted with a Newton Ring (in my opinion, the large lcd panel makes it weaker than a smaller lcd panel).
Cheers.

the best thing I love about the hd is the large screen and the interface... gotta love xda developers for making roms that take the best of all the htc interfaces and put them into the phone. currently using the TOPIX unleashed 3.0 FINAL rom and I cannot say how perfect this phone is now.

I think you should wait. Soon there will be new phones from HTC (Leo), which looks really great

Yeah i love my hd but it may be worth holding out for leo...

I'd also wait for Leo. Looks like a slicker HD.

Yeah, I was reading some stuff about the Leo this morning. Looks amazing. Think I will have to hold out for that. Still nice to see what you guys had to say about the HD, as I'm assuming the Leo will be a better HD perhaps?

Think thread has ran its purpose. Thread closed

[STANDOFF] About Touch HD and HD2

I sold my Touch HD (temporarily with Touch Diamond), waiting HD2! I wonder how many ROMchefs stayed with HD!?!?

xaoc747 said:
I sold my Touch HD (temporarily with Touch Diamond), waiting HD2! I wonder how many ROMchefs stayed with HD!?!?
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i am waiting for the next release with qwerty with one 1ghz snapdragon

I am most likely gonna skip the next gen/WM6.5 , stay with HD and wait for WM7

I am actually waiting for a HTC device with the Nvidia Tegra chipset..

guys shouldn't this topic be on another thread? like Blackstone general discussion?

The only thing I don't like in HD2 is no second camera for video-call and the absence of the stylus to write on keyboards and maybe in some apps is not functional only the finger...

Fidalgos said:
The only thing I don't like in HD2 is no second camera for video-call
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Same here!
Impolicy the rejected second camera.

i reckon nVidia Tegra + WM7 + QWERTY + capacitive (although that should be standard by then!)

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The only thing I don't like in HD2 is no second camera for video-call and the absence of the stylus to write on keyboards and maybe in some apps is not functional only the finger...
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Second that....
Oh well, I will sell my HD for the HD2.

I love my HD in a way that i can't see myself selling it unless i see these combination in a phone:
1- nVidea Tegra or SnapDargon
2- Dual/Stereo Speakers
3- 8mp Camera+Flash
4- HD Video Capture (720p)
5- Physical tilting Keyboard (No on-screen keyboard, to work freely)
6- Front camera.
7- 4.1-4.3 inch 480x800
8- 1350mAh+++ Batteries
9- Stylus (Screen Pen)
10- Multi-touch Resistive or capacitive.
Hopefully we'll hear of something like that from hTC soon..
Until then i'll stick with my HD and maybe hear news of upgrading to WinMo 7..

xmsnx said:
I am most likely gonna skip the next gen/WM6.5 , stay with HD and wait for WM7
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I'll do exactly the same
and if WM7 is another disappointment I think I'll go for an Android phone

I hope they find a better way to input Chinese, 'cause handwriting recognition only works through resistive as of now. HD2 just won't do it for me.
It'd be great to have a capacitive touchscreen and the ability to handwrite in-- hopefully-- the next version... seriously, I think a major reason why HTC has been so slow to migrate to capacitive screens is that they have a huge Asian market to cater.

where is the moderator when u need one?????... this is general discussion not rom developement....

when the phone you mentioned is going to sell, there will be a better specs phone announced... life is always like that
and my plan is: to let my girl friend use my HD, and i will buy a HD2
dosari666 said:
I love my HD in a way that i can't see myself selling it unless i see these combination in a phone:
1- nVidea Tegra or SnapDargon
2- Dual/Stereo Speakers
3- 8mp Camera+Flash
4- HD Video Capture (720p)
5- Physical tilting Keyboard (No on-screen keyboard, to work freely)
6- Front camera.
7- 4.1-4.3 inch 480x800
8- 1350mAh+++ Batteries
9- Stylus (Screen Pen)
10- Multi-touch Resistive or capacitive.
Hopefully we'll hear of something like that from hTC soon..
Until then i'll stick with my HD and maybe hear news of upgrading to WinMo 7..
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Stylus you can leave from HD

Will wait for WM7 too.
For me there's no reason to buy HD2. In addition it's huge beast! My HD is quite big and HD2 - oh...

9- Stylus (Screen Pen)
10- Multi-touch Resistive or capacitive.
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I am afraid this is not achieveable. You cannot have both a stylus and a capacitive screen and I've not seen a multitouch resistive screen yet, except in some weird hardware demos earlier this year.
HD2 is a beast really but there is still something that will not make me change my old HD:
1) I love my phone but If I could have the same in a smaller form I would be the happiest phone owner on the earth and HD2 is even bigger than HD
2) I don't think WM6.5 is ready to be used without a pen
3) I dont'use video calls but .. really ? It does not have a front camera ? Can't believe it
4) Why should we need a double frequency processor to run the same old WM crap? Sense interface is not worth it, just wait for a better optimized version of manila
5) Those devices are not simply phones, they cost A HUGE LOT of money, a producer cannot force you to change one per year without offering very STUNNING new features. HTC should really understand that

xaoc747 said:
I sold my Touch HD (temporarily with Touch Diamond), waiting HD2! I wonder how many ROMchefs stayed with HD!?!?
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I was thinking about getting an hd2 but wm6.5 is a nogo for me. I will wait for the next generation (wm7) devices or even consider another platform if wm7 is as badly engineered as 6.5.

I´m getting my HD2 next month. I´m thinking about selling my HD but i´m unsure about it. I might keep my HD just for the cooking. The HD2 dont have so mutch more to offer but i think it will be a while before we se a "better" phone from HTC. But if they realese a better (with physical querty) one in the future, then i might just sell the HD2
For now it it seems like i´m not sticking with my HD as i just bought a new TV and a HTPC. But i dont know

jigners said:
guys shouldn't this topic be on another thread? like Blackstone general discussion?
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hispeedworm said:
where is the moderator when u need one?????... this is general discussion not rom developement....
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I take a night off to relax and everyones complaining
I've moved this thread to its correct location....general discussion as its not related to rom development. Some of the more senior member should already have been aware of this LOL
Ta
Rick
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Also, I think you should add another option into your poll, possibly something like 'undecided' as a lot of users are currently undecided.....

Would anyone still get an HD rather than an HD2?

Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?

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Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?
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woooop another manc i only got my HD like 2 weeks ago, upgraded from my touch diamond, i cudnt afford a HD2, so i got the next best thing lol

I too have a diamond, the reason i'm interested is that i'm outdoors ALOT! So a cap screen is rubbish with gloves on.
I could go for a S200 or TG01 but XDA DEV have no support for these. So a nearly new HD is tempting, but the performance of the HD will be no better than my Diamond other then the extra memory...
There are a few of us Mancs about

i have maybe 50% free ram, when using my HD and thats running Sence 2.5, on the diamond tho it soon shot up to like 20-30% free ram only using TF3D 2.1, but on the other hand, even tho the HD has a higher resolution, things looked alot sharper on the diamond, maybe cuz of its smaller screen size, i like being able to use a sd card tho, im not limited to 4gb like on the diamond and the large screen is gr8 for watching movies, The HD dosent offer that much more than the diamond tho so yeah the HD 2 is the better choice if you can afford it lol I could of got a TGO1 for £200 pound, £35 pound less than i paid for my HD, They got em in the fone shop nr picadilly station in town if you want one lol

Near the train station or those near Picadilly Gardens (bus station)? A TG01 would be tempting.

Near the train station, its just at the top off the hill, they got hundreds of fones in the windows, theres another site floating about called wmdevelopers or sumat, its ment to be like xda but for other wm devices, you'll be able to upgrade a tgo1 there i assume

I'd say you wait for some time -- see what comes out and maybe there will be something even better than HD2!!
As for me (a Touch HD owner) I wont go for HD2, because:
1) it has snapdragon - I was waiting for Tegra
2) There are some rumors about Tegra2 (two times more powerful than Tegra)
3) Im saving some money for a Yamaha WR125X , so I cant afford to spend it on a new phone, of which I will get bored after a few weeks
4) I've also heard some rumors about Toshiba next models (those after TG01) -same snapdragon cpu, but some nice features like 3speakers (good for me as Im a melomaniac)

if i didnot own touch HD already i would be sure to buy HD2. now for me there is no significant advantage of upgrading

right...i have a HD and cannot wait to get my hands on the HD2...im using a custom rom by L26 which uses the Leo interface. using half the power of the HD2, the Leo interface is bearable, very usable actually, however i can just tell that some of the nags will not be an issue with the extra 500Mhtz of processing power and double ram the HD2 will have. i think using my HD as a backup phone will surfice!
=D

I use a stylus almost 100% of the time so will not be buying an HD2.
More likely to get the acer, even after a bad experience with an F900, it's smaller, has better battery life, look's to be a bit faster and is far cheaper.
Couldn't care less about TF3D or sense.
My HD is OK for the moment, I would have preferred them to just change out the crappy msm7201 for snapragon, make the screen "a lot" more sensitive like the S200 apparently is, leave the rest alone.
The HD2 is a windows mobile iphone because of it's input and has no appeal to me because of it,I can barely stand not having a d-pad, let alone no stylus.

imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?

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imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?
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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.

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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!

Unfortunately for me (in the US) I have to wait until a branded version comes out. My Touch HD 8585 gets me 3G for now.

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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!
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most "issues" are solved by XDA, not them

Moandal said:
Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future

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take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future
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when we first bought the blackstone we are surprised by the huge screen which enabled some finger operations on the finger unfriendly windows mobile, but, whenever you need a stylus, you got an option at least. Not really need to go over a learning and compromising process to get used to it.

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Touché, I would tend to agree with you on this

Yep. The 4.3" Screen is just too big - not pocket friendly at all. That and the capacitive screen...

I would personally love to trade my HD for an HD2. The HD2 has a larger screen, led flash and most importantly: a 1ghz cpu... too bad it is not going to happen