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Time to move on perhaps?

I've had HTC/XDA's for the past 7 years, starting with the basic XDA through to the XDA2, XDA2s, XDA Exec and currently the XDA Hermes...but they just ain't that cool anymore - I used to enjoy using them, they were original and the OS was swish but now they're slow, cumbersome and just not that funky nor impressive - its a rickety old OS with nothing to get excited about.
Until Microsoft do something interesting with PocketPC I don't think I'll returning for a while, however I'd just like some opinions on the phones to which I'm considering a move to...
My likes...
- Touchscreen ideally (Nokia loses here)
- Navigation capabilities (either built in or addon)
- Good quality camera, quick to fireup/use (unlike PocketPC!!)
- Proper Keyboard (nice but not necessary)
- Ability to use POP3 email practically without hard work
Based on the majority of the above, I am considering these phones...
- Samsung F700 (beautiful looking, nice interface)
- Apple IPhone
- Nokia N95 8Gb
Have I missed anything worth considering, if so what are you recommendations?
Currently with Vodafone and have been offered the F700/N95 for free, 500 minutes, Stop the Clock (free after 3 minutes for an hour), 250 txt's for £30 p/m.
I am put off PocketPC so with the greatest of respect, don't bother replying if its an anti-anything-else style response.
Appreciate your views/opinions, particularly from anyone actually using/with experience of any of the above phones.

I had my hands on the N95 and its awesome. The iPhone is the iPhone, awesome os and navigation, but ultimately i see a bunch of chicks with them so no. Samsung looks promising but will probably be way too expensive straight off unless carrier subsidised. N95 wins, it has GPS, a snappy os, great music player, and tons of software available. Good luck in your choice!

Thanks for your reply mate, the N95 does look appealing but what about the keyboard? Is it genuinely usable on a day-to-day basis? Heard comments that its too small?
Cheers, Ash

I know the iPhone is the rage for alot of folks........but even so...Apple will try to make it grow and advance without end.
Example is the release of the developer package.........I think the iPhone, atleast with the coming introduction of then next version, would be my next choice...........for the resale if nothing else.
My little Hermes has held it's value pretty well too!
Good Luck and stay in touch.

chipsxj said:
I know the iPhone is the rage for alot of folks........but even so...Apple will try to make it grow and advance without end.
Example is the release of the developer package.........I think the iPhone, atleast with the coming introduction of then next version, would be my next choice...........for the resale if nothing else.
My little Hermes has held it's value pretty well too!
Good Luck and stay in touch.
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Yeah, I agree with your sentiments, the IPhone 2 I believe it worth waiting for, I don't think I'd invest my pennies in the current release, its just not heavily featured enough, although the firmware upgrades are coming out thick and fast!! Its now got a GPS like technology!! Very impressive!
...but I'm not interested in making my Hermes act like something far superior, I'm just bored of its tired, slow and clunky interface - need something refreshing that allows me to enjoy using my phone, and enabling me to use it properly without having to wait for it to wakeup from standby, wait for the camera to get its act together etc!
Thanks for your comments. Anyone any experience with the Samsung? It looks smart! Has good spec too!

ashleyhall said:
Its now got a GPS like technology!! Very impressive!
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What do you consider a "GPS like technology" - the same thing GoogleMaps does?

to be honest,
You are looking for the
"Sony Ericsson p1i"
http://www.smarthome.com/96001.html
It meets all of your specifications, except it has a suretype keyboard. It has 2 letters to a key, instead of a normal keyboard, or a normal keypad with 3 letters to a key. It's actually the best keyboard to have once one gets used to it.
Key features:
Touch screen
WiFi
Smartphone capability
Not sure on GPS/location.
awesome 3.2 megapixel camera.
I think you'll like it.

vr24 said:
What do you consider a "GPS like technology" - the same thing GoogleMaps does?
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Well, similar in the sense that it doesn't use a traditional GPS utilising Satellites, instead it uses GSM triangulation, still its an impressive addon for a firmware update. Lets face it, when did the last Hermes firmware update (from an official provider, not cooked ROMs) enhance our functionality to that extent!!
Sirgatory said:
to be honest,
You are looking for the
"Sony Ericsson p1i"
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Thanks for the pointer, does look nice but I'm a little put off Sony's after seeing/playing for a while with the P900 and P910 - very large, clunky and easily broken phones with a rather unimpressive slow interface - have things improved since then?

not sure if that's the case any more but many sonyE owners complain about as poor charging connectors as htc had pre extMiniUsb
also suspct sonyE only support their own odd flashCard std.
hope the iphone2 got microSd

Rudegar said:
not sure if that's the case any more but many sonyE owners complain about as poor charging connectors as htc had pre extMiniUsb
also suspct sonyE only support their own odd flashCard std.
hope the iphone2 got microSd
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Just watched a video showing the SonyE's interface, looks just like the old P900, slow and not very jumpy to respond.
Think I'll keep looking, what other nice phones are out there right now?
Cheers, Ash

The only one out of your list I would consider is the iPhone.
Some people are sentimental about the devices they use, they deveop a love for it and whenever something clearly better comes out they make a whole lot of excuses defending their old device. While I've loved my Hermes very much, I'm not sentimental, I'm progressive. Within financial reason, I will go with whatever the current-day best device/platform is.
The iPhone has in no way been that, not so far. Unti l I can have EVERY little excellent WM app I use, or an equally good iealternative on the iPhone platform, the iPhone is a waste of money for me. Everything else of course is brilliant, but the No. 1 thing that turns me on phones is the abilty to have multilingual dictionaries on it, an audio recorder, an advanced metronome app (yes, musician here!), access to network mapped drives, a GOOD calendar app (iPhone's is not good enough for me, try Agenda One), ebooks and pocket bible, a scientific calendar (to some people that would be VERY useful), TCPMP (enough said), and ALL the tweaking to my heart's content.
The release of the SDK is what excites (and at the same time worries) me. I'm just wondering how Mr. "closed" and "controlling my devices" Steve Jobs is going to handle the freedom with iPhone that's about to be unleashed.
I'm also interested in what Microsoft is going to do for WM7 in reaction. Are they just going to bloat it up with vista-like "wow"-ness (thereby slowing it to a grinding halt) or are they going to actually make it a powerful platform and compete with the desktop-class iPhone platform. The browser situation STILL sucks after all these years.
And how about Google's android? Will there be a following for that, enough to bring out great apps? If so, AND if it can be employed on my Hermes, I'll stick it out to try that.
So what I love about WM6, is not actually the OS itself. I hate the OS. But all these wonderful developers have made my WM phone what it is, and outweighed its anoying slowness.
Also one single feature which would stop me from going to iPhone, is input. I LOVE TouchPal, try the free edition or professional trial, it's AMAZING. FAR superior to that horrible iPhone keyboard. And the great thing is, it's NOT complicated, only took me half-an-hour to learn. They've done some incredible innovation there. So, will Apple allow third-party developers to make their own keyboards for iPhone? +, will there be a way to sync to my outlook?
I'll wait and see...
Edit: oh yeah, there's also MicroSD. 12GB just got announced, and the SDHC spec can go up to 32GB. That's value being reinvested into my Hermes. There's all these little things that are BIG things in my daily phone experience, and they must all be ticked in the checklist before considering moving.

I know what you mean about moving on. My Wizard is barely living (no SIM card most of the time, still an OK PDA), and I really miss using a touchscreen phone now. I would have bought a Kaiser, but after seeing all of the issues it has, no way. I think the iPhone still looks good, even though Jobs wants to lock everything down...but then again, that didn't stop me here, why would it stop me now?

frenchglen said:
While I've loved my Hermes very much, I'm not sentimental, I'm progressive. Within financial reason, I will go with whatever the current-day best device/platform is.
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Very well put, I'm fully agreeing with you on that and I am pleased that the 'Anti-Anything-Other-Than-Hermes' police haven't yet bothered to respond.
The TouchPal system looks excellent but I simply can't imagine it running at the pace that it does via the video's I've watched on my own Hermes - The IPhone I'm tempted by but not until its next reincarnation, which judging by the speed at which Apple plough up new devices, I don't think I'll be waiting long.
Another phone I'm now considering is..
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...-crowd-preps-m4650-windows-mobile-touchphone/
...although at the moment I know very little about it.
I guess I'll keep looking!

Just to update you all - went into several stores to play with various new Mobile Phones, tried the Samsung F700 - VERY disappointed, tried the Nokia N95 - HORRIBLE piece of cheap tack. Finally, got informed of the new Vodafone 1615 (KAISER) - what a GREAT bit of kit, yes its another WM machine, the natural progression from the 1605 (Hermes) but its actually nice.
Doesn't seem any faster BUT it has lots more RAM, built in GPS (YAY no more Bluetooth GPS!) and a nice tilting screen!!
Got an amazing tariff agreed and expecting delivery of the new handset tomorrow!!!!
Will keep you updated on my progress with it!
Cheers, Ash

Just a quick comment on the N95, I've read (don't have a link to hand currently, sorry) that a lot of users are having problems with the onboard GPS. aparently the chip/antenna is situated on the back/bottom of the handset which, for obvious reasons, affects the ability to get a fix on your position...

Ok folks,what´s your reason to stick with this wm?

About to sell mine X1 after four weeks,6500 sek and this device really sucks..
It´s not all about wm itself but the device..
It´s buggy,not very advanced in features and dead slow for a start..
Reception,camera and end user experiance is a joke compared to a rather basic nokia these day..
Like the size and looks though but that´s it..
My nokia e90 is far more advanced then this and that device is 18 months old..
So what is it,please tell me?

GASP....BLASPHEMER **points at Micke401**!!!!
Its all personal opinion really. For me, coming from the LG Viewty its like going into the future. I made the official decision to sacrafice the 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard. There are also more 3rd party apps than you could download in a life time!

i understand you somehow, i have the device for 2 days and by now i have nothing but trouble with it.
I already have a hardware defect and alot of software/stability issues with WM.
the screensize and resolution is cool, other than that i dont really see why this has been hyped so much all the time...it does the basic stuff but once you try some third party software all you get is alot of problems.
After all the camera is average, video playback is average, no emulator works right, browsing is average, panels are crap slow, most of the third party software i have tested (TouchFlo3d, Slide2Unlock, Batty) cause freezes and other weird behavior...
well maybe its just my phone but in the last 2 days i rebooted the device (which takes AGES) for about 30-40 times and did 2 hard resets.

Another thing I love about this phone is this forum! All of the problems ive had (not many i must say) Have all been sorted out on here. No other phone ive had has had this much end user dedication!

Isn't that fair if you install beta/ known for not working / software for other hardare (e.g. Touch HD) stuff (TouchFlo3d, Slide2Unlock) on the machine and you complaints about it's stability?
For me, nokia (e.g. N95) is great for it's multimedia capacity (excellent camera and stereo speaker). But even it's built-in GPS software crash the phone so often and it's just a piece of ****. Not to mention that they can't provide any touchsceen device until the up coming 5800

Nokia isnt any better...
its just that on my Ipod touch everything just works...but i know that the iphone/ipod all have the same hardware and OS, so its quite easy to get stability going and Apple is reviewing all apps before release.

toxical said:
Nokia isnt any better...
its just that on my Ipod touch everything just works...but i know that the iphone/ipod all have the same hardware and OS, so its quite easy to get stability going and Apple is reviewing all apps before release.
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That's true. But it also limit and put a big burden on what developers can do "officially". Based on the Apple's SDK, multi-tasking and real-time navigation are not going to happen to 3rd party software and that's suck. And many other killer apps (Skype, Internet sharing) on other platform won't be happen as well. (Well, at least "officially).
WM is no where perfect but it gets most of our jobs done.

The fresh out of the box windows mobile device is a HORRIBLE experience. There's no ifs and or buts. Even the HTC devices with touch-flow are nowhere near the user friendliness of an iphone.
The difference between this and the ultra user-friendly iphone devices is that you can customize it to do whatever you want - which takes a ridiculous amount of patience and research to get to that point.
I can't use the iphone any longer because the e-mail system is horrid and everything is locked. The iphone will destroy the xperia in terms of multimedia capabilities. All depends on what you need in a device.

my experience is exactly the opposite:
i was a bit disappointed because of the slow panels but after installing the "sbp mobile shell" this issue was fixed. i dont use the panels anymore because my personal "usage-profile" fits perfectly with the features of the "spb mobile shell".
additionally i installed following tools to complete the things i need:
- skype
- divxplayer
- gpstoday
- mobipoket
- flash_lite (for flash-sites in opera)
- blackstone keyboard (replaces the popup keyboard)
- blackstone volume control (replacec the volume control)
- total commander (to establish a LAN to my workstation)
- SRS WOW HD for better Sound
- advanced config tool to tweak some options
i have done a few softresets after installing some tools. i have never done a hardreset and my phone works _really_ stable.
the only issue i had was with google maps and gps because of a missconfiguration of my connection settings (my fault).
so far the x1 is the best smartphone i ever had (after nokias and older se-smartphones).
also: this forum helps alot !
- quadword

dunno man... i've had the x1 for a few days and i swear i've had the thing get stuck on me at least 10 times a day.. pressed the reset button under the battery cover god knows how many times.. i dont blame se for this its just windows mobile thats messed up imho.. i've moved back to the iphone for my primary phone i just use the x1 for typing while im driving..

SCtud said:
The fresh out of the box windows mobile device is a HORRIBLE experience. There's no ifs and or buts.
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I disagree, ive had winmmo devices (with or without phone capabilities) since windows ce first came out, and ive always found its to be a worthwile o/s. Granted the Iphone interface is amazing especially with its dual touch capability. But i wouldnt (IMO) say the winmo experiance is horrible

I'll take WinMo over multitouch any day.
WinMo gives me all the basic things i need BUT it can actually handle real games like Warcraft 2, Age of Empires, Syberia and so on (sure they're old, but they're my favorite) compared to the acclerometer arcade games of the iPhone...

Windows Mobile is meant for configurability, the sweetness of doing anything you like with your device and tons of 3rd party programs(probably the most than any other mobile platform).
Saying that X1 is crap, is like saying HTC Diamon, Touch Pro and Touch HD are crap too. This is quite silly of course because they have almost the same hardware and OS, and those HTC devices (at least the 2) have done a great job for many users.
X1 is good for its big screen (resolution), hardware keyboard and the standard connectors (audio and USB jack which current HTC devices lack), the rest of the features are already present on other mobile devices, nothing really new.
Summing it up, comparing the iPhone OS and Windows Mobile is like OSX vs Windows. Some users like the shiny clean interface, while others like to get the job done and be able to control their hardware with tons of programs. Some people don't like to mess with the device but others are dying to do so.

I vote xperia!
My first winmo device was a cassiopia. And I've had just about everythin in between. I won a gen1 iPhone in some dev conference and played with it for awhile before giving it to my brother in law. It was horrible to type on and locked up frequently without any additional software. IMHO it's a toy.
The panels are software. They're not quite right yet but I don't find them to be slow on my device. (Without any other large running applications in the background).
If I don't use the panels at all, I can load TF3D and Blackstone cabs and device works very well. Of course if you even hit the panel button it will crash, but if you don't it works fine.
There are some software issues to be worked out but when hasn't that happened with the first production rom on a WM phone?
Except for the annoying bluetooth turning off and the email signature (patchable) issue I think this is the best device I've had. Far better that the TYTNII. (IMHO)
This site is also a major reason...

well thank you for all the input in this matter.. guess it's all about taste and what to expect from a high end device like this.
I am very unhappy with this one going back to my E90 but thats me,more feautures better camera and even flash right out the box suites me fine.
No struggle no hassle just simple and plain usage and everything works..
Any bid is a good bit when i comes to this crap so if in sweden feel free to make an offer..

Micke401 said:
well thank you for all the input in this matter.. guess it's all about taste and what to expect from a high end device like this.
I am very unhappy with this one going back to my E90 but thats me,more feautures better camera and even flash right out the box suites me fine.
No struggle no hassle just simple and plain usage and everything works..
Any bid is a good bit when i comes to this crap so if in sweden feel free to make an offer..
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I enjoyed my E90 (before I had my iPhone 2G which I am now tired of hence my silver X1). The E90's camera is better? I haven't really used the X1 camera yet. Would love to see some comparison shots X1 vs E90.

Okay, another X1 owner here.
I've had the device for 2 days now and what can I say:
THE BAD
- it is slow
- WLAN sucks, the range is very very very very weak.
- No Cisco VPN, only IPSEC+LT2P and PPTP, but a lot of companies use IPSEC+something else from Cisco, which doesn't work on the X1. On the iPhone it does.
- Generally limited connection options to WLAN, I still can't connect to our campus network, but all the iPhone people have no problem.
- panels are crap, the placeholders aren't even updated, they're all in English although I have German (the panel itself is then German)
- Basic WM concepts: for example: Error boxes have a close button (tiny), but can be dragged around (whole box). Why, I ask, why? Who would want to move an error box, instead of closing it???
- Recessed screen.
- Small icons on the top.
- Media player sucks, no gapless playback, no EQ, etc.
THE GOOD
- Amazing touchscreen. Very very precise, and I can do everything with my finger.
- Amazing speed on WM core applications (file manager etc)
- WM basic PDA capabilities: Tasks/Calendar/Mail all work very well.
- SPB Mobile Shell
- Keyboard is usable I think.
- Camera is good, but a tad slow.
- Active sync is okay.
- Office Mobile!!
- PDF Viewer <--- very good
- Sound quality over headphones is good, radio is very fast.
SUMMARY
Panels and WLAN suck. Everything else is okay or good. The X1 is an okay purchase, but waaaay too expensive in comparison with an iPhone.
RECOMMENDATION
- DON'T get it for your girlfriend/wife/grandma. It's utterly complicated to find out how something works, everything is not intuitive.
- GET it if you want to spend A LOT of money on a device which is worse than for example an iPhone in most areas, but has a few missing features you really need (for me it's tasks, screen res and video)

please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to

guap said:
please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to
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I second that.

guap said:
please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to
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I have in fact a touch dual and i think even this device surpasses this one.. AND i read the reviews belive me and this was a lot of money down the drain..
I expected at least the feautures my 18 month nokia have in a slick format with a touchscreen but no,it`s so far behind that it is rediculus.. No good for me i want more,i do not want to search this otherwise exellent forum for things that already is done in my E90.
I was just curious about what other think about it,if it suits you thats fine but for me it`s simply no good..

Would like your advice!

Hi people. Im about to change phone. Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all. It looks like this WM OS and phones with it differ at lot from each other and there are plenty of compatibility issues (ex. the WVGA screen limit5s games a LOT) emulators too (even with the hgher cpu they dont roon as smooth as in Symbian) and hell, a lot more things. i also think X1 screen, because of its 16:9 nature, is small for it being a touch screen....
im not sure few days ago saw nokia N97 and thought THAT is my thing, but wont be able to buy it on summer, only during this month, so cant wait...(i dont live in USa nor EU)
I was hoping you could give your advice about this, i like advance devices and OS, i somehow like WM, but never thought of its limits. NO, i dont want Touch HD nor any other only touchscreen phone. I liek keyborad, better if Kwerty. and even though BB's tempt me (all my friends have em) not willing to pay that much for such limited cell-phones.
Thanks in advance

I thought a resolution change will always affect the compatibility on any device regardless it is running on wm or symbian or android...
I just switch from a iphone and loving the x1.... it feels much smoother than my iphone... but maybe thats because I installed a lot of apps on it to slow the iphone down
you will need a little time to adjust for the new phone... but once you get use to it it almost feel like its just another touch screen with a keyboard for sms/email...

uhm.. thanks for answering...
any1 else???

went from n73 to this...must say im not looking back..only problem is the n73 loudspeaker was stronger..but who cares really

jahd5000 said:
Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all.
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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.

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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.
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uhm well yeah that whole signin thing sucked... but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
most of good WM good apps are kind of old and run at resolutions that would mean a ridiculously small display in a corner at Xperia's WVGA screen

I switched from a Nokia N95 and I hold it was the right decision.
The N95 was slow, the slider was poorly manufactured, the display resolution was bad. I even disliked the "registering 3rd party programs before installing"-crap.
Also the webbrowser crashed with nearly all the sites I use and the EMail-client did not do as I wanted.
And although all the functions I wanted to use did not work, the battery was gone after one day.
Maybe I just had bad luck, but for me it was my first Nokia and it definitely was my last!
I was very disappointed with the N95 because I thought I'll get a smartphone but I just got an overprized ordinary mobile phone with a quite good camera and a 3.5mm phonejack.
Now, with the X1, I really have a pocketpc. It checks EMails every 10min, I can install all the 3rd party programs I want, the display is fantastic and for the games that don't work with the wvga resolution, I simply use WVGAfix3 (the 2nd version made a lot of problems with my phone).
I now have a scheduler, navigation system, messenger, pocketpc and a phone in one device.
Of course, I encountered a few problems, but I'm confident they will be gone with the first update.

I stopped with symbian at the Nokia 6310i (what an amazing battery life - thing wouldn't die!).
From then the Prophet, Trinity, Kaiser, Raphael and now Xperia.
Anyway, I think the Xperia is the best so far, and windows mobile definately has lots of opportunities (just past early adopter stage). I must admit, I spend a lot of time tweaking, customising etc - but it's nice that you can do that.
Previous phones were a little unstable, but so far Xperia is 100% reliable. Haven't had any problems (reliability wise). Expensive though, so maybe its an idea to go try both in the store first?
A friend of mine had the N95 (I think) and cursed and swore every day because he was reflashing it left right and center.
Besides that, I find WM more compatible with the office things I need (at this point).

just try both device before you buy...
I'm using xperia for a month right now, and I'm satisfied with it, I admit that initial firmware/ROM needs lot of fixes, but I'm sure future ROM will improve xperia x1...

with symbian you can't fix issues yourself, with winmobile you can, and both system have issues on new devices.
Afterall the matter is: do you need a phone that can be used a pda (symbian) or a pda that can be used for make phone calls (winmobile)?

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but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
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really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware

fards said:
really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware
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ok, but many of those 6700 are only minor tweaks, like making this icon bigger, or organization, hundreds of chnage interface things which are not that determining (does that word exist?)
game on WM are mostly boring against Symbian's...(example, WM= 1000 variations of each: Bejeweled, Solitaire, and other blocks/cards games; Symbian has of all genres)
thats what ive noticed on most sites (including warezs) and nice games ive found, already said this, are not exactly very compatible with X1 screen. Yes, there is WVGAFix3 (which, for what ive read, doesnt apply for everything) but still to see half of the screen in black...dunno... :S
anyways, im going al the way with X1 as my first WM device, optimistic.

Can someone please explain what is wrong with Windows Mobile 6.5

Okay here I am setting myself up to be flamed - you see I don't understand what the beef is with Windows Mobile 6.5? I know it is a bit of a gloss job and that there is room for improvement but what is so intrinsically wrong with it that so many people are screaming about it...is it so unusable, or unstable - I know it is not the Apple OS and that I have to say may have its upsides. But what is the big problem.
So go for it shout at me - call me ignorant - but if you can enlighten me please do.
I am about to get an HD2 and am looking forward to the whole experience.
Scott

It looks kinda ugly (not fingerfriendly, no animations), misses APIs for the hardware in modern devices and the UI controls provided by Visual studio are ugly as well, making software development for WM sometimes difficult.
That's it. The list of good things about WM is a lot longer.
All in all, there's nothing wrong with WM except for its reputation in the blogosphere.
It has its pros and cons like every other phone OS. None of them is perfect and iPhone OS or Android are not better than WM at all. They're just different, less powerful but easier to use.

freyberry said:
It looks kinda ugly (not fingerfriendly, no animations), misses APIs for the hardware in modern devices and the UI controls provided by Visual studio are ugly as well, making software development for WM sometimes difficult.
That's it. The list of good things about WM is a lot longer.
All in all, there's nothing wrong with WM except for its reputation in the blogosphere.
It has its pros and cons like every other phone OS. None of them is perfect and iPhone OS or Android are not better than WM at all. They're just different, less powerful but easier to use.
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and alot more popular. iPhone has the famous app store, with about 1000 quality games and 5000 quality apps.

I had no difficulties finding equivalents for every application when I switched away from the iPhone. WM has 30.000 applications as well.
But popularity is a problem.

I for one am so bored of the apple lovers saying get an Iphone over the hd2. If you want an iphone just get one, its a decent phone if thats what you want. WM6.5 isnt the most finger friendly OS but i think the big/only limitation for the hd2 is the fact it doesnt support our hardware very well in the kernel (which hasnt been updated since WM5 really), so to that end our device is only as slick as it is due to the massive overspec of the processor.
Yes WM7 will be better, but its certainly not a reason to wait and not buy a HD2. This forum has hundreds of threads in the leo section talking about iphone this and that, and frankly i am pretty sure i am not the only one sick of it.
I for one think WM6.5 on the HD2 is more than a decent OS, yes i dont interact with it directly that often but if i need to then i can at least get to the guts easily (file explorer/reg edit etc) which is way more difficult on other mobile platforms.
It isnt perfect but certianly isnt worth all of the chat thats going around atm.

I don't want an iphone and too am tired of the iphone zealots - I have been following the Leo since it was leaked it is the phone for me I just wanted to know what the big beef with WM 6.5 is.
I am currently using a BlackBerry Bold and it is a nice device but feel so limited beyond texting and emailing. But the HD2 that is a whole new ballgame.
Thanks for the feedback - I am looking forward to getting the phone in February.
Scott

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with 6.5 except its lack of finger friendlyness, which depending on what you use the phone for could be a positive or a negative. Its biggest drawback is the poor quality of the original phones gave it a bad press which certain tech websites have never let go.
Personally I have had WM phones since the Wizard and have used a number of different ones since. I also have a Hero and found Android very good but ultimately not as usable as WM6.1 or WM6.5. My current phone is a HD2 which beats the the Hero and the iPhone at virtually every everyday task it has been given. (even the Hero stood up very well against the iPhone).
As for apps, yet again the media seem to think the only way to get an app on your phone is through an app store - carefully ignoring the fact that WM has had apps since day 1, just not all available from one place.

borgqueenx said:
and alot more popular. iPhone has the famous app store, with about 1000 quality games and 5000 quality apps.
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FPMSL!!!!!!

Well, there might really be 6000 quality apps among those 110000.
That's 5.5%. If 20% of all WM applications are quality ones, then there's already more quality applications for WM than for the iPhone. Especially if you add PSX games that all work great on WM now
Don't take this too serious, I'm just having a bit of fun. There's lots of good applications for the iPhone, but I never missed anything when I switched (back) to WM.

While I have all of you to talk to - what is the best registry editor to get for my HD2? I also want to look at a task manager as well...
Any feedback much appreciated.
Scott

freyberry said:
Well, there might really be 6000 quality apps among those 110000.
That's 5.5%. If 20% of all WM applications are quality ones, then there's already more quality applications for WM than for the iPhone. Especially if you add PSX games that all work great on WM now
Don't take this too serious, I'm just having a bit of fun. There's lots of good applications for the iPhone, but I never missed anything when I switched (back) to WM.
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One thing I can not get about Iphone apps is fact they take normal app and call it something new and wonderful.
There is this app for iphone that splits the restaurant bill on to as many people as you want.
I thin on all other phones it is called a calculator and it can do so much more as well as is free.
Another example of stupid paid app is Ducati history app. Why pay I think £2.99 for it (BTW it still only works if you are online) when you can get the same at Ducati.com. Only reason I can think off is because Ducati site is flash based?!
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While I have all of you to talk to - what is the best registry editor to get for my HD2? I also want to look at a task manager as well...
Any feedback much appreciated.
Scott
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Get resco explorer with regedit plugin. However I think full one you have to pay. For a free app there is PHM Registry editor:
http://freewareppc.com/utilities/phmregistryeditor.shtml
to edit registry of your winmo device via your laptop you will need active sync and CeRegeditor by mdSoft. It allows you to export keys you want and convert them in to cab installs so if you need to hard reset it is just click and go for all your registry tweaks.

Why are you guys still using the X1?

Hi people. Haven't been here in ages though I used to visit this forum on a daily basis in the past.
Anyway, I came back for old times' sake and see that people are still using this phone. It's a rather old model.
It's a rather cool phone at that time, waited a long time and got it with my first paycheck. Turned out to be a rather horrible experience and now I am happily with iPhone and considering changing to WP7 because MS > Apple. ^^
Anyway, back to the thread title. Why are you guys still using this phone?

is a good phone even if it has wm6.1
I got a x10 and the other is with my dad, it really keeps working flawlesly

The best model ever. it's exclusive and beautiful

Still lovin' & using this
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exclusive and beautiful
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phone.
No demand for a new one...

i'm still using it - it may be about the 10th different handset but its still the X1! but i used the Hd7 in a shop yesterday and its just so smooth compared to x1! the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/

comeradealexi said:
the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/
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same lol.. But I love HTC surround... too bad it's not in Malaysia anytime soon

It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.

1. Keyboard
2. Multiple ROMs can be flashed
3. Stability
4. Price (I can afford it )

because I am the boss of my SD cards and can put you want
because it is small and has a great battery
because some things are done with a custom rom that you can not even I win7
because I do not like iPhone
because the phone has a hardware button on phone off
simply because it has nothing on this planet
perhaps X2 but it does not have hard spl

Would like to have a new phone, but they are too expencive. Dont want to give a mobile phone lot of money anymore.

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It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.
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My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.

There is no alternative isnt there? Win7 sucks. There are some other devices with the same CPU so not really a step up. There is just no 1ghz hardware keyboard Win Mobile device available. So why shouldnt people still use the X1?

Well actually I'm using it the whole time because it helps me with all the things I do, from work e.g. remote desktop w/c WP7 doesn't have yet, video call calling love one's from abroad WP7 doesn't have, music to help me relax,easy chat with the hardware keyboard, i could also watch movie with it after i downloaded it from the internet without converting it (.avi), using it as a modem (HSDPA) if i want to connect to the internet when i'm not at home ( connecting it to a laptop) and last is that i could connect to any WIFI hotspot. I'm just sad that i can't play flash games anymore now that skyfire stop the support. If anyone knows a new browser that support flash kindly share it thank you.. =)

thinking that im still using x1 one more year then swap to WP7 because ATM WP7 is damn expensive and at introduction stage, with little game, application. by the way, x1 still does a really good job for day-to-day basic tasks

I love this phone. The screen is still very good when compared to other models on the market, watching a movie in 800 X 480 on your mobile is an impressive experience. The hardware keyboard is very useful for communicating vià messenger or for writing long emails. I had to clean it once and know it's just as when the phone was new. I enjoy the freedom of Windows Mobile 6.1 compared to the other operating systems on the market, the ability to side load apps and tweak the phone in every way I'd like to. Those and some other reasons make me believe that the best I can do know is to stick with the Xperia X1 and to see how Android and Windows Phone 7 are developing. Man I really hope that someone will be able to crack open WP7 or Microsoft will come to the decision that it's necessary to loosen the restrictions on WP7.

easy: it has a hw-keyboard. i want that.
so far there hasn't been a device to which i would upgrade. there was the milestone, but turned out it's locked, and i don't want to be dependant from the manufacturer for updates.
i'm now waiting how the desire z turns out and what comes with wp7.

The only reason I left the X1 was because of the camera and video camera. I have the cutest baby daughter so I always want to capture spontaneous pictures and video, often in low light conditions. I switched to the Nokia N8, which isn't as bad as you might think. Text input is atrocious, but everything else is pretty nice. I just predicted that no manufacturer will put a xenon flash 720p camera on a QWERTY slide-out keyboard phone, so I might as well swallow the bitter pill of converting to a capacitive keyboardless phone now.
Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone; I just wish Sony had taken the next step and made a hard-core upgrade that could compete against the Droid 2 Global and the HTC Desire Z.

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Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone;
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^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.

'Tron said:
^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.
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Greetings to fellow Wellingtonian!!!
I got my Xperia flashed, updated and optimized to the hilt with everything I can possibly need, had GPS setup, voice control, other bits and pieces, selected the voices I liked and became very happy with what I have. The keyboard is a frustrating quality control muck up, but I mostly use my Xperia for internet anyway, so not a huge deal. It's just one of the handsets I use on a regular basis, have no intentions of sticking with it forever, of course, but then the only one I intend to stick forever with is my HTC Universal, an old and reliable beast that may lack in specs, but more than makes up in design.
Speaking of WP7. I had a lovely WP7 UI ported to Xperia and was very pleased with result, just waiting for it to be properly tweaked and kitted out and for me to get sick and tired of Cookie's offerings. Otherwise is was running rather well, so will potentially be my next thing.

sonus said:
My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.
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I just gave a new X1 to my wife. She likes its looks but complains its too slooooow. Any suggestions for speeding it up without using a custom ROM?
Thanks!