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Ok folks,what´s your reason to stick with this wm?

About to sell mine X1 after four weeks,6500 sek and this device really sucks..
It´s not all about wm itself but the device..
It´s buggy,not very advanced in features and dead slow for a start..
Reception,camera and end user experiance is a joke compared to a rather basic nokia these day..
Like the size and looks though but that´s it..
My nokia e90 is far more advanced then this and that device is 18 months old..
So what is it,please tell me?

GASP....BLASPHEMER **points at Micke401**!!!!
Its all personal opinion really. For me, coming from the LG Viewty its like going into the future. I made the official decision to sacrafice the 5MP camera for a QWERTY keyboard. There are also more 3rd party apps than you could download in a life time!

i understand you somehow, i have the device for 2 days and by now i have nothing but trouble with it.
I already have a hardware defect and alot of software/stability issues with WM.
the screensize and resolution is cool, other than that i dont really see why this has been hyped so much all the time...it does the basic stuff but once you try some third party software all you get is alot of problems.
After all the camera is average, video playback is average, no emulator works right, browsing is average, panels are crap slow, most of the third party software i have tested (TouchFlo3d, Slide2Unlock, Batty) cause freezes and other weird behavior...
well maybe its just my phone but in the last 2 days i rebooted the device (which takes AGES) for about 30-40 times and did 2 hard resets.

Another thing I love about this phone is this forum! All of the problems ive had (not many i must say) Have all been sorted out on here. No other phone ive had has had this much end user dedication!

Isn't that fair if you install beta/ known for not working / software for other hardare (e.g. Touch HD) stuff (TouchFlo3d, Slide2Unlock) on the machine and you complaints about it's stability?
For me, nokia (e.g. N95) is great for it's multimedia capacity (excellent camera and stereo speaker). But even it's built-in GPS software crash the phone so often and it's just a piece of ****. Not to mention that they can't provide any touchsceen device until the up coming 5800

Nokia isnt any better...
its just that on my Ipod touch everything just works...but i know that the iphone/ipod all have the same hardware and OS, so its quite easy to get stability going and Apple is reviewing all apps before release.

toxical said:
Nokia isnt any better...
its just that on my Ipod touch everything just works...but i know that the iphone/ipod all have the same hardware and OS, so its quite easy to get stability going and Apple is reviewing all apps before release.
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That's true. But it also limit and put a big burden on what developers can do "officially". Based on the Apple's SDK, multi-tasking and real-time navigation are not going to happen to 3rd party software and that's suck. And many other killer apps (Skype, Internet sharing) on other platform won't be happen as well. (Well, at least "officially).
WM is no where perfect but it gets most of our jobs done.

The fresh out of the box windows mobile device is a HORRIBLE experience. There's no ifs and or buts. Even the HTC devices with touch-flow are nowhere near the user friendliness of an iphone.
The difference between this and the ultra user-friendly iphone devices is that you can customize it to do whatever you want - which takes a ridiculous amount of patience and research to get to that point.
I can't use the iphone any longer because the e-mail system is horrid and everything is locked. The iphone will destroy the xperia in terms of multimedia capabilities. All depends on what you need in a device.

my experience is exactly the opposite:
i was a bit disappointed because of the slow panels but after installing the "sbp mobile shell" this issue was fixed. i dont use the panels anymore because my personal "usage-profile" fits perfectly with the features of the "spb mobile shell".
additionally i installed following tools to complete the things i need:
- skype
- divxplayer
- gpstoday
- mobipoket
- flash_lite (for flash-sites in opera)
- blackstone keyboard (replaces the popup keyboard)
- blackstone volume control (replacec the volume control)
- total commander (to establish a LAN to my workstation)
- SRS WOW HD for better Sound
- advanced config tool to tweak some options
i have done a few softresets after installing some tools. i have never done a hardreset and my phone works _really_ stable.
the only issue i had was with google maps and gps because of a missconfiguration of my connection settings (my fault).
so far the x1 is the best smartphone i ever had (after nokias and older se-smartphones).
also: this forum helps alot !
- quadword

dunno man... i've had the x1 for a few days and i swear i've had the thing get stuck on me at least 10 times a day.. pressed the reset button under the battery cover god knows how many times.. i dont blame se for this its just windows mobile thats messed up imho.. i've moved back to the iphone for my primary phone i just use the x1 for typing while im driving..

SCtud said:
The fresh out of the box windows mobile device is a HORRIBLE experience. There's no ifs and or buts.
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I disagree, ive had winmmo devices (with or without phone capabilities) since windows ce first came out, and ive always found its to be a worthwile o/s. Granted the Iphone interface is amazing especially with its dual touch capability. But i wouldnt (IMO) say the winmo experiance is horrible

I'll take WinMo over multitouch any day.
WinMo gives me all the basic things i need BUT it can actually handle real games like Warcraft 2, Age of Empires, Syberia and so on (sure they're old, but they're my favorite) compared to the acclerometer arcade games of the iPhone...

Windows Mobile is meant for configurability, the sweetness of doing anything you like with your device and tons of 3rd party programs(probably the most than any other mobile platform).
Saying that X1 is crap, is like saying HTC Diamon, Touch Pro and Touch HD are crap too. This is quite silly of course because they have almost the same hardware and OS, and those HTC devices (at least the 2) have done a great job for many users.
X1 is good for its big screen (resolution), hardware keyboard and the standard connectors (audio and USB jack which current HTC devices lack), the rest of the features are already present on other mobile devices, nothing really new.
Summing it up, comparing the iPhone OS and Windows Mobile is like OSX vs Windows. Some users like the shiny clean interface, while others like to get the job done and be able to control their hardware with tons of programs. Some people don't like to mess with the device but others are dying to do so.

I vote xperia!
My first winmo device was a cassiopia. And I've had just about everythin in between. I won a gen1 iPhone in some dev conference and played with it for awhile before giving it to my brother in law. It was horrible to type on and locked up frequently without any additional software. IMHO it's a toy.
The panels are software. They're not quite right yet but I don't find them to be slow on my device. (Without any other large running applications in the background).
If I don't use the panels at all, I can load TF3D and Blackstone cabs and device works very well. Of course if you even hit the panel button it will crash, but if you don't it works fine.
There are some software issues to be worked out but when hasn't that happened with the first production rom on a WM phone?
Except for the annoying bluetooth turning off and the email signature (patchable) issue I think this is the best device I've had. Far better that the TYTNII. (IMHO)
This site is also a major reason...

well thank you for all the input in this matter.. guess it's all about taste and what to expect from a high end device like this.
I am very unhappy with this one going back to my E90 but thats me,more feautures better camera and even flash right out the box suites me fine.
No struggle no hassle just simple and plain usage and everything works..
Any bid is a good bit when i comes to this crap so if in sweden feel free to make an offer..

Micke401 said:
well thank you for all the input in this matter.. guess it's all about taste and what to expect from a high end device like this.
I am very unhappy with this one going back to my E90 but thats me,more feautures better camera and even flash right out the box suites me fine.
No struggle no hassle just simple and plain usage and everything works..
Any bid is a good bit when i comes to this crap so if in sweden feel free to make an offer..
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I enjoyed my E90 (before I had my iPhone 2G which I am now tired of hence my silver X1). The E90's camera is better? I haven't really used the X1 camera yet. Would love to see some comparison shots X1 vs E90.

Okay, another X1 owner here.
I've had the device for 2 days now and what can I say:
THE BAD
- it is slow
- WLAN sucks, the range is very very very very weak.
- No Cisco VPN, only IPSEC+LT2P and PPTP, but a lot of companies use IPSEC+something else from Cisco, which doesn't work on the X1. On the iPhone it does.
- Generally limited connection options to WLAN, I still can't connect to our campus network, but all the iPhone people have no problem.
- panels are crap, the placeholders aren't even updated, they're all in English although I have German (the panel itself is then German)
- Basic WM concepts: for example: Error boxes have a close button (tiny), but can be dragged around (whole box). Why, I ask, why? Who would want to move an error box, instead of closing it???
- Recessed screen.
- Small icons on the top.
- Media player sucks, no gapless playback, no EQ, etc.
THE GOOD
- Amazing touchscreen. Very very precise, and I can do everything with my finger.
- Amazing speed on WM core applications (file manager etc)
- WM basic PDA capabilities: Tasks/Calendar/Mail all work very well.
- SPB Mobile Shell
- Keyboard is usable I think.
- Camera is good, but a tad slow.
- Active sync is okay.
- Office Mobile!!
- PDF Viewer <--- very good
- Sound quality over headphones is good, radio is very fast.
SUMMARY
Panels and WLAN suck. Everything else is okay or good. The X1 is an okay purchase, but waaaay too expensive in comparison with an iPhone.
RECOMMENDATION
- DON'T get it for your girlfriend/wife/grandma. It's utterly complicated to find out how something works, everything is not intuitive.
- GET it if you want to spend A LOT of money on a device which is worse than for example an iPhone in most areas, but has a few missing features you really need (for me it's tasks, screen res and video)

please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to

guap said:
please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to
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I second that.

guap said:
please stop, stop complaining about a thing that you have purchased only because of marketing or shopping compulsion. Next time read (internet, reviews, forums) and think ("is that the thing that I need?") before buying a 600+ euros device that you don't know what really is.
Once again: noob, stay away from windows mobile, use symbian, s40 or iphone, but don't pretend to be a pro with winmobile and then ***** because you can't use it in the way you suppose to
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I have in fact a touch dual and i think even this device surpasses this one.. AND i read the reviews belive me and this was a lot of money down the drain..
I expected at least the feautures my 18 month nokia have in a slick format with a touchscreen but no,it`s so far behind that it is rediculus.. No good for me i want more,i do not want to search this otherwise exellent forum for things that already is done in my E90.
I was just curious about what other think about it,if it suits you thats fine but for me it`s simply no good..

Goodbye Xperia, googbye Microsoft... Vive la Android!

Hey folks,
being XPERIA owner for two months, I was often annoyed by the slugginess, bad operationality and quite many [small] issues.
Now I've ordered and got an "Android Dev Phone 1" (= HTC Dream = T-Mobile G1) and I love it! The interface is clean and smooth, it feels so much faster now! Sure some things aren't implemented yet (eg. virtual keybord or synchronization with Outlook) but I actually don't need them, and most of them will come already with the next Android update in Jan/Feb.
So I'm now swithing to the "HTC Dream" section and to other forums.
Any questions à la "Android vs Windows" or "X1 vs G1" are welcome here, though.
Best regards,
Vygi

I tried that phone in the T-mobile shop when I was still waiting for the X1 to appear and didn't like anything about it.. still - each to their own!

i like the design of X1 better than the G1. but i like linux (using on laptop to).
it would be nice to run android on X1

commodoor said:
it would be nice to run android on X1
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The G1 didn't do it for me since it has a low-res 480x320 screen. Even now, with the X1's mighty WVGA screen I sometime wish it was even sharper, something like 1024x600 would do just fine .

Tweaking and a couple of apps loaded onto the phone, my Xperia is working awesome! I love it more than i did my iPhone! startup is a bit slow... meh! but who cares!
Anyways... G1 doesn't appeal to me... and besides - if i do like any next release of Android or even Blackberry OS, i'll unload Windows off of Xperia and load 'em onto Xperia.

Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.

I say bring on NVIDIA Tegra chip based mobiles with WinMo7. :O

Dr.Sid said:
Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.
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The market & reality tells it all. If PalmOS is so great, it wouldn't be dying like the way it is now. It UI (especially the input method) was so hard to use and handle for ordinary people. It may run smoother and more efficiently than WM, but the real truth is it's does not handle multi-tasking.

It would be cool to have Android on the X1 next to WinMo. I hope the guys over here can get it to work properly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=456595&page=11
Not sure if they're still working on it though..

Dr.Sid said:
Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
What is also shocking me is while my T5 is two years old now, it plays movies 20% better then Xperia (TCPMP on Palm, CorePlayer on Xperia) !
Maybe it's a bit early for Android, but WM is just crap, it must be all started over. PalmOS was great, and there is no replacement.
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I used SKTools, Advanced configuration Tool, and XperiaTweak to tweak up my Xperia's performance.
I also installed HTC's Touch HD's keyboard but didn't like it, especially when it opened slow at times and so on... so i uninstalled that and moved to SPB Keyboard - which is AWESOME!
Then... i installed IneSoft AddressBook + Phone. Way quicker than Xperia's AddressBook/Contacts and dialer, quicker, and a cool looking Today screen add-in. Really Fast! And i totally love it! (i like the dialer better than HTC's TF3D Dialer as well).
With these tweaks and apps, and a few additional freeware stuff (like flash today screens, battery indicators, and so on) my Xperia is functioning really fast and without problems.
FYI - i also have panels running and TF3D installed as a Panel (which is running way smoother and faster after using SKTools to tweak up the device). I also have Winterface installed, though barely ever use it - it is enabled though in the background. I also have Push Mail enabled on the device which works flawlessly - as it did on my iPhone. And over 10 games installed working without any lags.
I won't lie, but there are occassional hiccups/lags, but not as much for one to notice. (even my iPhone faced quite a couple of lags and hang-ups once i installed apps onto it and so on). The only thing i hate at this point is the startup of the device... oh and the Facebook panel, which has the tendency to crash sometimes...
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.

msalmank said:
...oh and the Facebook panel, which has the tendency to crash sometimes...
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
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Have you tried the updated version? Much improved on the initial release, I recommend you try it out.

spr33 said:
Have you tried the updated version? Much improved on the initial release, I recommend you try it out.
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Yep... i updated it. And it is improved, a lot! but still has the tendency to crash at times. Mostly when it is refreshing the main page and i hit the Panel button (not always, but usually) and a few other random occurrences...

Dr.Sid said:
Actually I'm still shocked how awful WM is. I used phone and Palm T5 before and I wanted to have all in one package, so I went for Xperia.
While the device is nice, that software is bad, bad, bad. Everything is slow, ill designed, all freeware I found is full of bugs, even lot's of commercial software simply does not work.
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My experiences aren't so extreme but I feel somewhat the same: great hardware, but lame operating system, bad and non-uniform operatibility, and so on. When I ask "how to do this" or "how to manage that", often I get advices to apply registra hacks and use special system tweaks or install some additional software. When after them the system is slow of some strange issues appear - then I have to blyme myself, because I have too many things installed and too many settings changed!
Now I have found an alternative which costs 20% less and is about 200% better (faster/more stable) to me!
There are actually just very few things I like more on Xperia:
- better battery
- better screen resolution
- light sensor to change screen brightess
And there are things which are better on DevPlone1 (G1/Dream):
- much much better user interface
- generally much faster, no freezes/blackouts/pauses
- great multitasking/task switching (eg. the browser starts in 0,5 sec)
- compass and g-sensor available
- better keyboard
- better speaker
- great integration of online Email, Contacts, Calendar
- software easy to find and to install
- faster battery charging
Next year many other Android devices will be available, and I maybe I will take another one, but also with the current Dream/G1/DevPhone1 I am much more happy than with X1!

In short... For me, when i played with HTC Touch Diamond (my cousin's) i liked the power of Windows Mobile but was totally NOT impressed by the usual lags and bugginess of the device... so i was really concerned if Windows Mobile would be a good choice (i was looking at the Blackberry Bold as an alternative to WinMo). Eventually, i decided to go with X1 and though initially it was better than i expected but not that good either, after a tweak here and there and a little enhancements the Xperiance has turned out be quite ideal. Sure laggy at times (though not occassional), but it is turning out to be the device i thought it would be, if not better!

vygi said:
Next year many other Android devices will be available, and I maybe I will take another one, but also with the current Dream/G1/DevPhone1 I am much more happy than with X1!
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Though Windows Mobile is more professional of an OS, and tweaking + optimizing can make the experience better... but there's no denying that Android holds a lot of potential - especially being Open Source!!!
When i look at the G1 phone i'm more like "Bleh!", but i do like Android. When more features come - including Microsoft Exchange and a full office suite (maybe these are already available... not sure) and more - and it all comes loaded into a better looking phone, i might go for it as well. But i'll definitely be holding onto my Xperia. It is by far the best windows mobile device ever! and regardless of the not-so-usual lags and Windows Mobile bugs/limitations... i don't regret purchasing it at all.
I will probably end up buying an Android phone in the near future as well and then have three phones to myself...
Microsoft really needs to step up and get one heck of a Windows Mobile 7 operating system released as soon as possible! And having tested Windows 7 on my desktop - seeing how Microsoft is finally going in the right direction, i'm positive that they will surprise us this time with a Windows Mobile that actually performs better than any other OS out there.

are you selling your X1 i would like to buy it please PM me

Thank you; no Microsoft anymore: not 6th, nor 7th nor 8th++.
Two months were more that enough.
Now I enjoy the speed and power of Android** (the 1st!) every single minute.
**) it might be Nokia N97 with the touch-screen-capable Symbian S60 as well.... it just comes too late to me.

jackleung said:
The market & reality tells it all. If PalmOS is so great, it wouldn't be dying like the way it is now. It UI (especially the input method) was so hard to use and handle for ordinary people. It may run smoother and more efficiently than WM, but the real truth is it's does not handle multi-tasking.
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Of course if the so-called "market" (read cartel) had any sort of bloody clue whatsoever, we wouldn't have been held back 10 years on desktop PCs with a crappy, inferior 8086 archtecture. PalmOS isn't any great shakes, but any OS like WM that takes 5 seconds to dismiss a "SMS sent" notification on high-end hardware should have been drowned at birth, and failing that should be put out of it's misery post-haste! Free Software FTW!

will it be possible to update to wm7 on the xperia when it comes out without any problems? im new to smartphones and don't know how customizable they are

Carreragt17 said:
will it be possible to update to wm7 on the xperia when it comes out without any problems? im new to smartphones and don't know how customizable they are
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When the time comes... we'll see. Officially i don't think so, but i'm sure we'll see cooked roms flying in in no time!

Is this the phone we all been waiting for?

Well got my Hero today on t-mobile and all i can say is this is by far and away the bet phone i have ever used it dose what it say on the tin. It is sexy looking phone easy to use and fat to boot. God it this was a woman id never get out of the sack lol .
All i have to add is if you not got a Hero you need to get on NOW not tommorow NOW, apple should expect to kiss the ass good bye HERO and ANDROID a marrige made in heaven

I had one and did not feel at all like that. Bored in 2 days. The phone was sent back on the third.
Certainly a nice piece of tech but nothing special.

Its nice to read that you like the handset, its not everybody's cup of tea.
I also find Android a joy to use, but I think the phone could of been better. What I miss from the Diamond is a timeout on the display so it reverts back to the today screen (home). Hopefully 2.0 will be out soon with even mor improvements

Android can only get better and were definitely going to see improvements, I prefer it over WM 6.1 and the lipstick on a pig WM 6.5.
What would have been great is if HTC had used a better processor, I mean they have been using the same/similar one for ages, however it seems Android isn't as resource hungry as WM and the processor is working fine, so no problem there really.
When HTC bring out an android phone with either Tegra or Snapdragon and good camera with flash, I will literally empty my wallet for that.

If it was the phone we had all been waiting for it would hardly have a weak processor (HTC, why do you consistently make stupid design choices) and an absysmal camera that can't even manage half decent video recording, would it? In this day and age HTC REALLY need to get their act togather to encourage anything but fanboys to buy their hardware or defekt from other brands. They have great software but the hardware just isnä't up to scratch, and that is a critical failure. I'll be waiting for the next revision methinks...

I had the G1 so i was use to android system. I love the hero given i have only had it for 5 days atm but liking every moment.
I prefer android over WM anyday of the week. I used WM on my omnia and found it poor, laggy and just not a good experience. (even though it did have its moments)
I feel the market place is probably a defining factor in my decision on android. The market place is a great part of the system, similar to the appstore for iphone.
It was either the android phone or iphone. I chose the android because it has the ability to run apps in the background which i find a great advantage over the iphone among other things.
And the Android system can only get better.

Is it just my handset, but the "People" app really lags badly, which is quite a concern given it's perhaps one of the most important aspects of the phone. (My contacts are Google-synced and have Facebook-applied profile pics, but even so...)

My phone handles 'people' fine. No lag
You might have a number off apps running an taking up memory. Try holding home key for about 3seconds.
Maybe you should download a task manager program off market place see if that can improve anything?

maikie said:
My phone handles 'people' fine. No lag
You might have a number off apps running an taking up memory. Try holding home key for about 3seconds.
Maybe you should download a task manager program off market place see if that can improve anything?
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Holding home key shows recently used applications, not the running applications.
btw, my "people" works fine

my bad.
So a task manager is the answer then.

OK can I ask a couple of questions to you who people who are saying People works fine:
1) Are you using Google-synced contacts?
2) Do you have Facebook integration for these contacts enabled, including getting their picture from Facebook?
(I'm just trying to isolate the source of this issue...)
Also, when I talk of lagging, I mean that the scrolling is very far from smooth...

I use only google synced contacts (no sim or phone contacts) and am linked to facebook.
Scrolling works fine.
Dare I say almost perfect.
I have about 180 contacts synced from google.

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OK can I ask a couple of questions to you who people who are saying People works fine:
1) Are you using Google-synced contacts?
2) Do you have Facebook integration for these contacts enabled, including getting their picture from Facebook?
(I'm just trying to isolate the source of this issue...)
Also, when I talk of lagging, I mean that the scrolling is very far from smooth...
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Same here... Google, Facebook & Twitter are sync'd for me and the scrolling from time to time is bad. ALmost every time I check the weather the animation is choppy! What is causing this? As the video from HTC shows smooth & flawless!

It probably is what i've been waiting for. Ok, its not as fast or fluid than the iphone which most use as a bench mark, but its more intresting to use. I've had an iphone 3g and 3gs and got a bit bored of them and sold on. Sure they are great, but the lack of customisation makes some people like me lose intrest. With the Hero that is not a problem.
With all the other Android phones coming out this and next year, just think how good the marketplace will be too.

Why we love our HD2? Guys, share with me

These days, I've seen way too many threads like "Goodbye HD2, hello Iphone", "Htc Hd2 bye bye" or "Wtf with this phone". I cant stand it. So I want to have a praise thread for our HD2, our beloved and best one, also want to share my opinions on the HD2 and Winmo generally for everyone to see and think.
Here are some type of opinions quite popular these days:
"Windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point"
"HD2 is too buggy, laggy, errors"
"Winmo is a waste for HD2"
"Where are the games and apps?"
"Not work out of the box?"
To answer, first of all, I dont care about apps that Iphone or Android has.
I dont play games much now so that's a second point. Although they do have some very interesting like Tunewiki or Layar, that's the only thing I miss from my old 3GS and Hero. And if u paid so many money for games on iphone, why dont paid a 5 Euro more for Fpsece, to have the best experience about PS1 games on a mobile device so far.
Secondly, about basic apps, Winmo wins.
For videos: I dont have to spend hours to find a good convert program and hours to config and wait for the converted file to transfer to my phone, Coreplayer and TCPMP serve them right.
For ebooks: the most popular format is prc, Mobipocket reader wins again, I dont have to convert either.
For office: what can win over office mobile, please show me, I have no idea about this.
And u know what, Winmo has these basic things and apps for free!!!
Third, the true multitask:
Winmo has been a winner since the start. I agree that Iphone can be jailbreak then install e.g Proswitcher, but that's not so convenient like Winmo. The basic thing about Android is it never really closes an app, keeping it running in the background for quick response, but that only makes Android become slower and laggy just like Winmo. But for convenient, and with a power specs like HD2, it's so great in terms of multitask for me.
Fourth, the screen:
HD2 has a great and super beautiful 4.3 inch screen. I can never go back to a 3.2 (Hero) or 3.5(Iphone) now, I will consider for a 3.7 one. Watching photos, videos, viewing documents, surfing. It's superb with HD2. And please dont expect a device with great screen like that to have a good battery life. More than a day with normal usage is so enough. I got 1.5 days or even more than 2 days with my HD2.
Fifth, and the best one imo, CUSTOMIZATIONS
Winmo is the best world for customizations, for devs and chefs. It got history, and it's truly popular, right? I love to tweak my phone, customize it the way I one, change every weeks or even every days, so I cannot get bored with it. And look at this forum, so many manila mods have been built and definitely going on and on. From maxmanilla, cookie home tabs, GTX, all are wonderful and amazing. I cant thank them and all the chefs here enough.
Now, look at Iphone, what can u do with this easy to get bored home screen, except for changing icons?
And even android, it's not easy to customize it without rooting. And things to customize so far? Not much, I see.
For all that has errors, bugs, laggy, I think it's just u to make the phone like that, not the phone itself (if it's not a defective one). Too many report shows the phone works out of the box, count me in for that. I went with stock rom for a month at first with nothing went wrong.
Winmo to me is never a dead OS like it seems now. It's still growing strong in the world thanks to xda, yes, xda is the one that makes it strong, imo. We love to tweak, we love to customize, we love to share our knowledge and stuffs, so we are here. If u just dont feel like to tweak, u better not be here, xda is not some place where u can just complain and complain everyday for ur own faults.
Finally, HD2 is not a waste to me to run Winmo, it's best with Winmo.
Whew, my longest post so far. Guys, dont leave me alone, come and praise our HD2, I know u will.
List the best things u ever had with HD2 and show the world
P.S: it's just my opinion, but we all have private and personal purposes for using mobile in our life, so that we have personal choices on mobile, so please dont flame on me so hard, haha

1. big screen - can see web pages better than my x1a 3" screen
2. software options (still compatible with the software i use on my old phone) tomtom 7 - no need to have a data connection to use gps, slick im - use this when im on the move, option of using several different types of web browsers (ie, opera, opera mini, skyfire)
3. phone is unlocked and can use it as a prepaid phone.

Exactly mate, should have mentioned the chasing game between apple and devs, it's really annoying sometimes. And the price for an unlock iphone is really ridiculous.

You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...

Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.

gtb5 said:
Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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The athena had a 5inch screen.... but you couldn't use it as a regular handset. You needed to use either bluetooth headsets or speakerphone. It was a cool phone, though.

You guys covered it
I agree with everything you guys said, except texting prob, I use swype, love it!! By far best phone I've ever had!! Just added, msvc, love it, just made perfect, better!!

My main reason for choosing HD2 over iphone or android devices is privacy!
I don't have to have apple and google knowing everything about me!

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exactly my thoughts.

I love it because the great hardware I saw this as a newstep after the qualcomm 528 mhz. Wich was used for 3 or more years. This was a newstep for 2 years this will be a fast phone. And the freedom of windows mobile is also great.

Simply the best phone I ever had! Does everything I need and more!

I love my HD2 because it's big, it's strong, it's fast and give me the possibility to customize everything like I want.
I love my HD2 even because makes me different from all the mass of sheeps that walk around with an Iphone and use their phono to simulate a beer drinking and s**t like this.
Having an HD2, like my good old HTC Topaz, makes me feel different and like a pro.

I have always been a win mobile user. love the ability to anything! can send files bluetooth, COMPLETELY change the theme of the phone, and modify the software ANY way you see fit. suck on that iphone.
The only thing I would change would be camera hardware button
They say the HD2 will be the last in windows mobile 6.5. what a way to go out with a bang!!!
windows mobile+huge screen+fast processor= one sick device

I could probably be classified as a (very) dull business user and I have never before cared over what device was put into my hands..
I have used SE, Nokia, HTC, you name it, and even a iPhone for a while, and all worked okay and I did type an occasional e-mail on them but in reality they all fell short, some with clunky e-mail integration other with unsuitable screens for reading long texts.
With the HD2 I have hit "home", I have become truly freed from my office - I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, surf the web, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router. First phone I ever used that work seamless with bluetooth both in the car and with headsets.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.

afive720 said:
You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
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Ah well, I agree that this is a let down thing at first, but after few months usage, I'm quite amazed at my typing speed right now
Did u try fingerkeyboard or swype?
uswe said:
I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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These are the things that I never bother or want to do with my old 3GS and Hero

Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)

zoombay78 said:
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
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I always have over 400 sms in my inbox, and it loads quite quickly, I think. No problem for me. Why dont u try the old style thread messaging from Energy rom or some other roms?

Thank you for starting this post. I was reluctant to upgrade from my Touch Pro to the HD2 for the lack of a hardware keyboard, which I used constantly. The big, beautiful screen won me over and I'm happy to report that I'm typing as fast as ever now that I'm used to my HD2.
I love the huge screen, HTC Sense (Thanks to Cookie and averyone else, not enough room in this thread), one touch dialing, programs etc, etc.
Every, and I mean EVERY challenge that I had with my phone when I first bought it has been solved by using these forums.
Every, and I mean EVERY modification that I could have dreamed of has been supplied by using these forums.
This has been the case since I started using WinMo and with every device I've owned.
These sour grapes posts by individuals who refuse to take the time to use this fine provision in order to make full use of their HD2 are a slap in the face to the hardworking developers who have brought countless hours of joy to the rest of us who deeply appreciate their work.
To the developers and contributors of this forum: I salute you.
To the individuals who are posting their "Bye, Bye" threads. Please leave quietly, and don't let the door hit you in the iphone.

Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one

KowboyBebop said:
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
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Thanks for support at fpsece, KB
About reset button, why dont u try to install the Long Press End Key Reset? That saves me a lot from opening the battery cover

I think I miss Windows Mobile 6! Tell me I'm crazy...

I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
Xperia Pros:
The Screen! The display is huge and amazing!
Android market. So many great apps to choose from.
Android OS. The stock apps and launchers seem really great to use. Lots of features and eye candy out of the box.
Xperia Cons:
Micro-USB / Connector Cover. It has made my 6 mini-usb cables and charger useless, and the cover is annoying to open.
Touch Screen. I found myself annoyed by the capacitive screen. I'm a guy, and I don't feel the need to have soft moist hands. The capacitive screen has given me so much grief, while I never had any problems with any resistive screens in the past.
Battery. I know every complains about battery life, but it was pretty much the same as my Diamond. The only difference is that my Diamond has a huge extended battery available for purchase.
Android market. Tons of "little" apps, but no real powerhouse apps that fit my own needs. I found I needed to download/buy 3 different apps that did the job of one Windows Mobile app.
Voice Dialing. Where is it? My city just enforced some crazy cellphone laws, and I really need this. It sucks on the Xperia. Big time.
Diamond Pros:
Fantastic Apps! S2U2 is amazing. It's a lockscreen that gives you so much access to viewing info (email, sms, etc) without a risk of unlocking your phone accidentally. Magicall let me have push email without the battery use, as well as many other fantastic calling and SMS features.
OpnMarket. Tons of great apps available from FreewarePPC.
Resistive screen. So much better for me than the capacitive screen.
Amazing customizability. Not just the ROMs, since I'm sure the X10 will get a few soon, but everything seemed to be easier to customize and change in Windows. Maybe I just need to learn more about Android.
Diamond Cons:
Tiny tiny tiny screen. This is the only reason I didn't go back.
Windows Mobile stock OS really sucks, and needs all the apps to add the eye candy and features.
Sometimes sluggish with all the hacks, patches, and customizations.
Strangely enough, I find myself sorely missing Windows Mobile. I really wish I could at least find an app exactly like S2U2 on Android. I've tried a few lockscreens, and they don't even lock the device properly. They seem to be just homescreen replacements. Lack of a proper voicedial app on the Xperia is also a huge con. Any other recent Windows Mobile converts feel the same way?

Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692

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Go put Android 2.2 Froyo onto your HTC Diamond, this might help you to kill some time while waiting for Android 2.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
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Well, I tried 1.6 awhile back on my Diamond, and it was unbearably slow. Besides, that would be the opposite of what I want right now. I think I'd prefer Windows Mobile on my Xperia.

You are crazy.

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i agree!!! you're CRAZY!!!!

as someone who has come over from windows mobile 6.5 and owning a touch diamond 2 and htc 2, i can tell you, you are crazy.

i have a xperia x1
and yes one more vote for "you are crazy"=..=
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No you're not CRAZY!
100,000 Apps for Android? I think that smartphone users today don't understand that App is short for Application and they're being pretty liberal calling most of what's available an Application.
The simple fact that Google doesn't offer a fast and easy solution for Outlook sync is plain stupid. Even the iPhone will sync with Outlook. The Google "Cloud" sync takes far more user input than WinMo does so it's far from effective.
When WinMo 7 is up and running I'll be putting this Android fiasco behind me.
P.S. if you're a teenage girl then Android should be right for you.

Battery life on the diamond with extended battery and latest stock rom was total and utter **** if you ask me, it was the most useless batterylife of any device i've ever experienced and the diamond overall... ok i did like it when i first got it but that phone felt outdated within 3 months, i love my new x10 and my battery is great, even amazing compared to diamonds. In fact i could drain both the original and the extended on diamond within 32h and the x10 battery ticks way over 48h now with normal useage
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I want my baby back baby back baby back, I want my baby back baby back baby back,I want my baby back baby back baby back. Your delusional dude.

big_raji said:
I'm a former user of an HTC Touch Diamond. Thanks to these forums, I was able to customize nearly anything and everything on that device. I retired my Diamond about a month ago when I got my Xperia X10, and I found myself missing my Diamond.
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I agree to some of it. The lousy not so touch friendly UI of WM never really bothered me as we get to use it less. I love the level of customization that can be done to WM like Panels, Today screen, smart dialer, etc.
I think most of the current generation mobile OS got the luxury of faster processors, more memory to feel more fluid. Each never version is basically trying to catch up with WM capability but with touch friendly UI.
I think the failure story of WM wouldn't have been this bad if only Microsoft invested time to improve their default browser years back and made the menu's, buttons, etc more bigger so they are more user friendly.
I played with my friends HD2 and like it a lot except for the browser.

First of all I bought an Android device because I never thought they were that great but felt it was unfair to criticise without having used one a for a period of time.
Now that I am an owner of several WinMo devices and one Android device I feel I can point out the differences fairly – Sorry in advance to the Android Fanboys.
For someone that is more interested in a useful device for business applications and uses a Windows based PC’s then WinMo is the clear winner. For someone that wants to have a toy for social networking then Android is the clear winner.
I’m sure there are many people on the planet that are so important that they need to Facebook and Twitter/Buzz every single move they make during the day and hopefully they use Latitude so everyone knows exactly where this tremdously important event took place.
Bottom line is that they are 2 different platforms that cater to 2 different groups of people. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just different. WinMo users read newspapers, Android users read comic books. Neither is better than the other, they’re just different.
I’ve spent 2 weeks looking at “Top 10” and “Must have Android Apps” blogs as well as spending time on AppBrain. I’m not saying there aren’t any useful Android Apps but they certainly don’t number in the thousands or even the hundreds. Below is what I found to be somewhat useful but I can still do better on a WinMo device running 6.1 pro.
Astro File Manager
BetterKeyboard
ChompSMS
eBay
GDocs
Imap Weather
IMDB
IP Cam Viewer
K-9 Mail
MyRogers
NetCounter
Newsrob
Quick Reboot
Remote VNC
Roboform
Speedtest.net
SwiFTP
TD Bank
Titanium Backup
Weather Bug
XDA
Wikidroid for Wikipedia
P.S. Using Remote VNC on the Android is like torture. On the WinMo device I can login, do a few quick things and logout while sitting at a red light. To do the same thing with the Android VNC viewer it would be faster to drive home and use the keyboard.

I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it

GPdhillon said:
I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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My point exactly

Just enter the discussion, I still own my HD2 with custom ROM. As Izzy said, if you are a business person WM is the best for you, Even after I purchased Moxier with Widget and stuff its not anywhere close to WM even 6.1. WM is more solid and it is because it has been around for longer and android might be there one day. But reason I chose Android was to go with a different approach and I still like it and not regretting it. As you start developing more things and gets updated to higher Android Version you may become more satisfied.
Part of our problem is SE by locking the phone with their junk which is not useful to all of us. In WM phone you have option to go either with WM solid or their customized UI.
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.

Nimche said:
At the end, I am not a person stick to my phone for any longer than 6 to 10 months so in case I need to move to another platform then no problem. Right now, I don't want to go back to 6.5 even with missing option on Android.
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I change a lot too so I'm looking forward to WinMo 7. It may be a nice solution that helps out the business users and still has the social networking aspect that the others are interested in. That Dell Lightning looks pretty dam hot!
I wouldn't be so down on Android if they had out of the box support for Outlook sync.
I'm so sick of ALL of these guys drawing a line in the sand and refusing to support any other features from other suppliers. It's the user that suffers.

Winmo7 is the reason I mo
ved to android I think wm7 is going to start where android was year ago. Breaking the compatibility with wm6.5 stupid thing Microsoft did also taking out copy paste, multitasking the last stra
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I agree with you, I had omnia(on offense love my x10 as well) with custom rom running wm 6.5. I think android is not quite there yet and application is not the professional like spb apps...
I miss my mobiler controlling the phone from pc and syncing contacts with outlook instead google and then third party app to sync with outlook which does half ass job of it
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I feel the same too. I used to have a HTC Universal, and there were so many power apps/applications (Whatever you want to call them), that Android doesn't have yet. I didn't even use most of them, as I didn't have a need for them, but at least there was a choice available.
I think Android may soon have this 'choice' that I'm talking about, but I do understand what you mean (@ big_raji).

I share your sentiments regarding winmo 6.1/6.5. Winmo is such a mature platform just like symbian and palmOS. These bad boys of the old gen were not pretty to look at, but they got stuff done.
What boggles my mind is how Android failed to support system wide copy/paste; especially in their native gmail app. Only recently did they start to address this (2.2 update).
Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
I know that some of my complaints can be solved with apps in the market, but the thing is many of these features should be standard. That's my problem with the new gen of mobile OS's. They don't look to the past to see what made phones "smart".
I'm in no way downplaying what innovations have been brought to smartphones. I just think that phones these days are more just multimedia consumption devices rather than the productivity assistants they grew up from. That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
I know I've said a lot. I'm sure people will disagree and take offense, but know that my definition of a smartphone is a device which lets me be productive while being mobile. If it has decent multimedia capabilities, that's also good.

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Another annoyance I have with Android is its connectivity capabilities. Why can't it do things like tether, bluetooth file transfer, and sync with local storage out of the box?
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Tell me about it. The first day I started with Android I paired my Bluetooth earpiece, pressed the call button and waited for the X10 to come alive and wait for a voice dial command. After pressing it several times, reconnecting, I googled to discover that Android doesn't do that. Are you freaking kidding me? My 5 year old RAZR does voice dial! Maybe they should have focused on the tools before the toys?
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That is why I am so nervous about windows phone 7. If microsoft screws that up, all that will be left of the old guard that "just works" as a work tool will be blackberry and symbian^3.
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Well at very least it will sync with Outlook
I also hope there's a decent VNC version out for it.