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see post #7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2515344&postcount=7
What's in the box?
I would also be curious about the box content it comes with...
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I would also be curious about the box content it comes with...
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mbarabas, szerintem a csomagnak nem része a tv kábel, de ne legyen igazam, mert én meg akarom venni a pro-t
mbarabas, according to me for the packet not his part the TV cable, but not be true, because I want to buy it the pro
I'm sure I saw somewhere that it doesn't come in the box. I've just oredered one from Expansys.
Today is the last day of the Modaco offer if you type "http://mickey.modaco.com/expansys/getcode.php?email=" into your browser adding your email address after the "=" it will send you a £10 voucher. You need to order something else to push the price of the cable over £20 so I got a 1GB MicroSD.
So all in that's a the TV out cable and 1GB MicroSD card delivered for £14.19
HTC own website states that its optional, so its highly unlikely you'll get one in the box
My cable has arrived. I'll post the pinout when I get a chance to beep it out.
pin out
These are for the pins as viewed in the plug.
1 video out
5 video ground
2 audio right
6 audio left
11 audio ground
jwitham - thanks, updated first post!
Now does anyone know where you can buy the 11pin ExtUSB plugs from? I only seem to be able to find them on audio adaptors which, I guess, only have 3 wires connected.
I was watching unboxing video, there is not a TV cable in the box
not really what the post is after but might be useful for some people, here is the link to buy the full cable from expansys:
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=170917
make one?
The HTC TV out cable cost too much! ($50)
Im gonna try my luck and make one.
Ebay sells 3in1 HTC ExtUSB adapters for about AU$15 shipped (it does say 5+6pins)
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=370079511111
and Dealextreme have Yellow+Red+White TV-out cable for a samsung phone for $5 shipped.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5122
Should be able to use the diagram in post#7 and get it to work.
anyone see a problem with this approach?
i heard that raphael detects video-out cable presense, so there probably should be some king of resistor or somthing like that... we need to check that.
JugglerLKR said:
i heard that raphael detects video-out cable presense, so there probably should be some king of resistor or somthing like that... we need to check that.
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yeh, to check resistance between video out and video ground, as well as
between audio out and audio ground, for example, by some ohm-meter
Vladimyr said:
yeh, to check resistance between video out and video ground, as well as
between audio out and audio ground, for example, by some ohm-meter
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probably a terminator resistor of 50 ohms .. a piece of 50 ohm antenna wire will do fine ..
these cost 25 cents or less
as far as the mini usb .. its probably the same as this one motorola has..
im not sure if motorola sells these or if there are any to buy separatly.
just an idea : maybe one can convert this yellow rca videoplug (which comes standard with any videocard with tv-out) to have a miniusb plug on the other side.
da_jojo said:
just an idea : maybe one can convert this yellow rca videoplug (which comes standard with any videocard with tv-out) to have a miniusb plug on the other side.
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No problem what to convert, the question is "how"
An ExtUSB-3.5mm jack headphone adapter ($5) has the necessary connector.
I just need someone to check the original cable of intercontact resistence
Vladimyr said:
No problem what to convert, the question is "how"
An ExtUSB-3.5mm jack headphone adapter ($5) has the necessary connector.
I just need someone to check the original cable of intercontact resistence
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I dont think it is terminated inside the connector. The detection will be due to the internal termination of the device you connect to eg tv or projetor.
jwhitham said:
I dont think it is terminated inside the connector. The detection will be due to the internal termination of the device you connect to eg tv or projetor.
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I think you are right a tv has an composite input witch has a 75ohm resitance.
but your headset uses the same connection for his mic... for me a bummer but for you guys maybe the solution....
take a look at this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=31649&d=1164664052
it's a pinout of the headset...
i just maked one for myself (actual a home made cradle) but it just doesn't reconize the cable, audio and charging works like a charm
Build your own TV Out Cable
OK, I tried to put the pin-out together. I don't have the cable, but I played around with the Multifunction Audio Cable YC A200 which I opened up for that purpose. Only when pins 3 and 5 are connected and not 4, the TP recognizes a video cable and askes for the video norm. When using these pins as ground, there is a humming noise and the video flickers. By connecting these pins with pin A, this problem is solved. I put the info on a figure... could someone with a cable and a multimeter validate it?
I made then a custom cable to work with the Multifunction cable. For this, a 4-pin 3.5 mm plug was worked on with a Dremmel (see figure). The plug needs then to be inserted into the receptacle so that the notch is at the upper left. Just turn the plug till it is no longer identified as headset but as video cable. The extra ground connection I got from a regular mini USB cable. Tested and works without problem...
switch should be connected to mic ground probably.. can you try if this works ?
connect 3 and 5 for video switch
connect audio plug [ ]=== ground - audio right - audio left
4 - 2 - 6
connect video (o) outer 5 inner 1
Hi boys.
I found a ky in hclm/software/HTC called: TvOut = disable.
Xperia doesn't have TvOut...or yes??
Can be the same of Trinity and gps....
Anyone that have a right cable can try it?
Bye!
I don't think this is gonna work on the xperia, of course this just an assumption. I believe its HTC's proprioritary ext usb connector that allows for video out. Thats just a guess though...
Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?
Really want someone to try this
Kevin_seymer said:
Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?
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I do have the Raphael cable but it doesnt fit
Greets !
A four pole 3.5mm jack into the headphone socket should work. As discussed in another thread, the proprietary usb socket on the HTC only has 4 extra poles, and they carry the audio/tv out.
I had a TP for a short while, but never got to test the TV out feature (they didn't supply the cable), so I don't know if any additional software is needed for it to function... It might be that we have to install some software as well as edit the reg key, or it might just be the reg key, I don't know.
If I can find a 4 pole 3.5mm jack and some phono connectors I might get round to trying it, the 4 pole 3.5mm jack is a longshot though.
fotoingo said:
I do have the Raphael cable but it doesnt fit
Greets !
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Yea htc uses that ext usb that they created. Mini usb fits in their jack but their jack doesn't fit in mini usb.
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Nobody have a tv out cable that can try that out?
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On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.
XavierGr said:
On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.
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See now that just aggravates me. Why wouldn't u just run the traces to something. Oh well....
XavierGr said:
On another thread about it, there was the notion that xperia can't have TV-out because they didn't wire it to a port.
TV-out is present in the Qualcomm chip, they just didn't bother to implement it. TV-out on the USB port is out of the question because there aren't enough pins for it. TV-out from the audio jack seems a no-go too, my hopes were for a 4 ring 3.5mm jack but that is already taken for the wired handsfree.
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But other devices use the audio/hands feree socket with no problem, they just appear to change the circuit when TV Out is running. The HTC uses the same pins for TV out as it does for audio, it's just a usb connector with 4 extra pins on the other side of the USB pins. Those 4 pins are the ones that carry the audio/hands free *and* the TV Out, just never at the same time.
SquidgyB said:
But other devices use the audio/hands feree socket with no problem, they just appear to change the circuit when TV Out is running. The HTC uses the same pins for TV out as it does for audio, it's just a usb connector with 4 extra pins on the other side of the USB pins. Those 4 pins are the ones that carry the audio/hands free *and* the TV Out, just never at the same time.
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That's an interesting suggestion. If that's the case then it could work for xperia too if SE bothered to connect the signal to the 4th ring.
As i wrote in another thread discussing this matter, i couldn't get the HTC Video Out application to run on my Xperia.
Hopefully someone here can get it to work. Maybe there's some changes has to be made before it work? (screen resolution maybe?)
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That's an interesting suggestion. If that's the case then it could work for xperia too if SE bothered to connect the signal to the 4th ring.
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I'm almost positive it's not a case of "bothering" as much as HTC wanting the Touch Pro to have its USP (unique selling point) over the Xperia. Otherwise, the Touch Pro has nothing over the X1, which would cut into its sales.
Just a thought
The Nokia N95 has got tv-out through the 3,5mm plug. The extra ring can be used for headsets aswell, so although it is possible that xperia works the same way it'snt probable since SE says there is no tv-out.
Anyone with a n95 tv-out cable?
i have a n95 8gb tv out cable which i think is the same as n95 ones, anyone teaching me how to do it i can try out for u guys =)
some point i agree if x1 is continue to brought over with touch pro software features, x1 will out sell touch pro... althought im quiet happy about it but i think htc will not... proabably htc wont help se to oem wm devices anymore
Any development in this field yet?
why is tv out not included with the x1 then>
don't think so...
If anyone is keen , or if you are like me and have a spare headset from another phone you can use the following diagram and cable colour code to make your own video out cable.
I have used the Raphael cable for this excercise as I like my old Hermes one better.
You will need:
One Red White and Yellow RCA Cable
Step One. Remove pin four from the extUSB plug. *note this can be tricky but is necessary to allow the device to recognise the cable as a TV out cable as opposed to a Headset cable. I used a needle to bend into the middle of the plug and then used a tiny micro screwdriver to bend backwards and forwards until it broke. Be careful not to damage any of the other contacts. Please see post 20 for an easier option that doesnot involve removing pin 4
Step Two. Cut cable as close to mic piece as possible and remove outside cover.
Step Three. Solder the following pairs of cables together using the following codes:
Video positive (Yellow RCA end) --> White pvc coated cable (extUSB end).
Video sheild (Yellow RCA end), --> blue copper cable (extUSB end).
Audio Left (White or Black RCA end) --> green copper cable (extUSB end).
Audio Right (Red RCA end) --> red copper cable (extUSB end).
Audio Sheild ( both Red and White or Black RCA end --> copper cable (extUSB end), * note the copper cable is the sheild wire that surounds all the coloured wires.
The last two colored copper wires
Step Four. wrap electrical tape around the solderd wires so that they do not touch any of the other contacts.
Step Five. Plug in and play.
tomboderider said:
Aanyone know if this cable works with HTC Touch HD?
thanks
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I am unaware if this works with all devices as I only have a Raphael to test this on. If anyone does find that their device works with this cable let me know and I will post it with this post.
I think the device must have the TV out function cooked into the Rom or maybe there is a registry hack?
Current Compatable Device List
Raphael
Diamond
This is awesome. I was just going to buy one to. I think this should def be a sticky.
Thanks for sharing this! I I will try to make one from a 3.5mm adapter.
Thanks man, that's very useful
Daved+ said:
Thanks for sharing this! I I will try to make one from a 3.5mm adapter.
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Let me know how that works cause i was going to do the same.
i found a similar post on ppcgeeks a while back. Took me about 30 min to remove the 4th pin...i used a safety pin- someone at ppcgeeks offered that advice. Works like charm. But f you have no patience, buy it on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ORIGINAL-HTC-TO...ries?hash=item439875cabd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
http://cgi.ebay.com/TV-Out-Cable-US...ries?hash=item5ad336a8ec&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Making Video out cable from alternative mini USB cables
Daved+ said:
Thanks for sharing this! I I will try to make one from a 3.5mm adapter.
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Please note that the mini USB must have contacts on the inside of both the bottom and top. the average mini USB sync cable does not have the necessary contacts.
this is such an awsome mod, im going to try this out. lol
i removed the pin 4 as stated in the picture but the cable is not recognized as a TV Out cable and no longer is recognized as a headser, i made sure i didnt damage any other pins besides the number 4.
another thing is that i only want video i dont care about audio does the TP sense that is conected or can i just solder the two wires required to get video?
excelente post BTW
EDIT:
Does the TV out only outputs certain content or can any content can be shown on the TV
i have a 7" monitor in my car and i wanted to use this monitor to display GARMIN as its bigger screen.
im gonna answer myself
any content can be seen on the TV.
yes it does have to be conected to the TV and the TV has to be ON in order to detect the signal.
also make sure the pin is completlly removed all the way to the bottom.
IT WORKS !!!!!!
thanks one again, excellent post.
Aanyone know if this cable works with HTC Touch HD?
thanks
tomboderider said:
Aanyone know if this cable works with HTC Touch HD?
thanks
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sorry, but I am curious on this unanswered question...
Works great! Finally some use for the old, spare headphones and a/v cables I had laying around.
i imagine it would work on all htc devices that support tv out, but that is just a wild guess.
It is work on HTC Touch Cruise (Polaris)???
device compatability
tomboderider said:
Aanyone know if this cable works with HTC Touch HD?
thanks
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I am unaware if this works with all devices as I only have a Raphael to test this on. If anyone does find that their device works with this cable let me know and I will post it with the first post.
I think the device must have the TV out function cooked into the Rom or maybe there is a registry hack?
Hey i found my old vogue headphones,would this also work with the vogue headphones?
mbg19 said:
Hey i found my old vogue headphones,would this also work with the vogue headphones?
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This will work with any mini USB plug that has internal contacts on both the bottom and the top (see Step One.JPG in first post). The colour of the wires may vary but I would imagine that there would be a standard colour code for all earplug cables made by HTC, however these may vary between companies.
Hope this helps.
thanks dude. Could it be done with an ordinary mini usb cable?
I tryed this and it did not work for me so I went to Amozon.com and got the Ipod RCA jack didnt cost much at all. Clean look and dont wast the nice HTC ear plugs but I guess you guys are happy with it but now I need new ear plugs...
I didn't use HTC plugs at all, bought Creative ones + 1 pound adaptor and they are way better than stocks, so yes I'm happy about that mode I've done like.. 10 mins ago?
Had some problems with all operation couse it was quite difficult to find right cables on photo that author attached (of course I really appreciate audible_paradigm work, all that mess was about different colors of my cables).
Anyway, it works veeery good and I'm one step closer to get this phone liked
Ps. You don't have to remove 4 pin in usb cable guys, just install one of the .cabs attached in THIS topic - much easier x]
Big thanks!
Does it have it?
Some sites say the specs do, some don't mention it!
Can't get a definitive answer on that one!
Also, if it does : where can I get a cable?
Thanks guys!
I haven't tried myself, but the iPhone and iPod video do it through the headphones socket. you can get a cable that takes this and makes it a yellow RCA cable. you could try one of them?
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Interesting question.
But where are settings for video output?
I'd be interested if anyone can prove this? Re-settings...if this is possible then there could be 2 options.. 1. you will only see the settings when it's in "video out" mode.. or it's auto detected and there are no additional settings (as per audio output... )!
i'm really hoping for this but i'm guessing SE would advertise it to their benefit, and afaik they didn't so my hopes are kept rather low...
I've had a guy telling me that he can use TV out on his X10, using a microUSB-3.5mm adapter and the TV out cable from an N900.
i haven't been able to find an adapter that has the extra connector for TV out to try it.
I've got a 3.5mm jack going to red/white audio connectors. If I put one into the video part of the tv wil it play video or is it down to how its wired in?
I've had a guy telling me that he can use TV out on his X10, using a microUSB-3.5mm adapter and the TV out cable from an N900.
i haven't been able to find an adapter that has the extra connector for TV out to try it.
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For video there should be red, white and yellow.
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I think X2 uses the 3.5 mm port for video out, and they didn't advertise that.
Yeah, they did. There's a button for it on the keyboard too.
I'm wondering if it has the hardware, but the options aren't there yet, and they might be added along with the HD video recording update.
well it definitely doesn't work at the moment.. just tested it. I have a video and mono audio cable (Yellow and Black).. and also a video with stereo audio cable (Red, white and Yellow)
did you try via the jack or with a 3.5mm adapter?
directly via the jack.. cable was 3.5mm "headphone" style at one end.. and phono at the other.
I tried that with a cable from an N900, doesnt work.
Still trying to find a micro usb to 3.5mm with video.
It seems there are some out there for LG and HTC, it's just getting hold of one to test it!
Hmmm this is interesting..
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well it definitely doesn't work at the moment.. just tested it. I have a video and mono audio cable (Yellow and Black).. and also a video with stereo audio cable (Red, white and Yellow)
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Just in case... Did you try testing with the Red or White as the video? Some companies have their own way of wiring things so that you have to buy their cables. Most people don't think of just swapping the colours around to get it to work and just fork out for the new cable.
There is a tv-out cable for the droid incredible:
droiddog .com /android-blog /2010 /04 /incredible-tv-out-video-demo
I wonder if this would also work on the X10 and when it will be available.
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I just tried my Sony Mini-DV Camcorder cable, and it does not work, the camcorder cable goes from 3.5mm to red/white/yellow
sidneylopsides said:
I've had a guy telling me that he can use TV out on his X10, using a microUSB-3.5mm adapter and the TV out cable from an N900.
i haven't been able to find an adapter that has the extra connector for TV out to try it.
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I've ordered this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Y1KSMS/ref=oss_product
and this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000T3M0SS/ref=oss_product
it should arrive next week and I shall report if indeed there is tv out on the X10
I greatly apologize if this should be in accessories (I think it splits the issue), but my Droid 2 (and my Incredible) plays only on the driver's side speaker using the audio cable I have. Oddly, my iPod Nano plays in proper stereo. Does anyone have a clue why there would be such a difference? Please note: It is not an iPod cable (i know there may be some difference if it was). Thanks!
have you tried a different 3.5mm cable?
Would rather have an answer to the posted question (as then there might be some light shred on what cable to buy ... Again, the ipod plays just fine so there is something else going on). As always any actual answers are appreciated!
Well I have a droid 2 plugged into my 3.5mm cable and it plays stereo from default settings. There are many things that can be causing the issue, however a 3.5mm cable for $3.00 USD is most likely going to be the cheapest route for diagnosing. The lack of information provided is not going to help anyone assist you nor is answering facetiously. You have not stated if you have tried this cable in other cars/equipment or tried you phone in other equipment. That is another step that I would take in order to resolve the issue.
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<sigh> Of course, it will not do this board any good to continue to debate the quality of a non-answer. Randomly buying new cables is not the answer to a technical inquiry.
I continue to hope SOMEONE WHO KNOWS will respond. Perhaps, for example, there are different types of stereo 3.5mm cables, and someone will say "Oh, the D2 requires a 3.5mm cable which has XXX; watch out they also have 3.5mm cables which have YYY, which is what you may have."
Anyway, if anyone knows, please respond, so that others who have this problem will find the answer on a search (even if it is on post # 6). Thanks.
Have you tried the phone with this cable in any other equipment or with any other system? A 3.5mm is a 3.5mm cable.
If you have a set of head phones, plug those into your D2, does it play audio on both sides? Or just one?
If the answer is just one side, then quite possibly its your phone that is the issue.
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Despite what looked like a bad debate with theecho, we had a few back and forths via PM.
I tried a standard green cable from my computer system and it worked great. I note that cable I had been using was a "Sony" cable (dunno from what) - no idea why it didn't put out stereo on the Droid 2 (but did on the nano).
Hope to buy a non-Sony cable and see how it goes. Thanks all.
Hmm I think it might be the cable lol
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For the record- there are at least two kinds of common 3.5mm plug. One has two bands and the other has one band.
The plug with two bands carries two distinct signals (left and right) that share a common 'ground' wire. This is called stereo since it carries both left and right channels.
The single band plug carries only one channel and is referred to as mono.
So if it's a mono plug, the iPod may detect that and switch to mono output.
You could test that by changing the pan in your car. If you hear different things from each side, you've got stereo. If they're the same, you might have mono.
I've seen plugs of each type used for non-audio purposes. TI has used those plugs on their data cables, for example. All that to say, it's very possible that you had an oddball cable lying around, and your iPod just handled it better.
Hopefully that gives you some of the underlying info you wanted.
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For the record- there are at least two kinds of common 3.5mm plug. One has two bands and the other has one band.
The plug with two bands carries two distinct signals (left and right) that share a common 'ground' wire. This is called stereo since it carries both left and right channels.
The single band plug carries only one channel and is referred to as mono.
So if it's a mono plug, the iPod may detect that and switch to mono output.
You could test that by changing the pan in your car. If you hear different things from each side, you've got stereo. If they're the same, you might have mono.
I've seen plugs of each type used for non-audio purposes. TI has used those plugs on their data cables, for example. All that to say, it's very possible that you had an oddball cable lying around, and your iPod just handled it better.
Hopefully that gives you some of the underlying info you wanted.
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Thanks for the info. I will add this to my arsenal.
I had this same problem. Turns out the plug wasn't in all the way. Try giving it a little bit of force. Droid2's headphone jack is a bit tight.
We'll know soon ...
Theecho - thanks for your public and private guidance!
mrkite38 - That is the information I was looking for and it makes sense. I mean, there HAS to be a difference (although I still don't know why Sony would make a mono cable).
I have a belkin cable coming from Amazon today (I was ordering something else for my Incredible, so I figured I would tack it on). We'll see how it goes.
I am having the same issue with a "cheap" cable and am eager to see your results.
Can either of you say whether the plug on the cable you're using has one or two bands on it?
That was it!
mrkite38 had the answer. The new cable, which is in stereo, has 2 bands; the old cable has 1.
Picture attached. That you Mr. Kite.
Sweet! Glad we got it sorted.
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jdmba said:
mrkite38 had the answer. The new cable, which is in stereo, has 2 bands; the old cable has 1.
Picture attached. That you Mr. Kite.
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I also concur