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Hi all,
The biggest pain I have with my XDA2 is when using TomTom over BT in the E-leads car kit.
Basically with the screen on the car kit does not provide enough power to the xda2.
TomTom does not show the 'no power' icon but the battery level actually goes down and not up!
Eventully the battery goes flat.
My problem is that I can sit quite happily driving along all of a sudden TomTom says gps signal unreliable, basically the phone turns off BT even though it is in use by TomTom!
I'm guessing its something to do with power saving due to the fact the battery level is slowly going down.
I can't find any setting anywhere to say leave BT turned on all the time and not to do any fancy power saving.
Any one else got this problem?
I'm working on building my own higher power psu to feed into the xda2 and bypass the car kit, to hopefully give it anough juice to charge even when in use. Maybe this problem might go away then but I'd thought I'd see if anyone else had been experienceing this???
Cheers all
Kev/.
To be honest I wouldn't use anything other than a genuine XDA 2 car power adaptor. I've got the 02 one (£19.99). I've heard this problem many times using 3rd party power supplies draining the battery rather than charging it.
my tomtom car kit (with ONLY the pda plugged in, i use another adapter for my GPS) charges the batt fine.
Hi
I just got a new Trinity. I upgrade it to WM6.
Today i was on the road with IGo navigation software. After few minutes with software on, the case start to heat. When i tried to charge it i got the blinking red led which say not charging. In the end i got a shutdown bcs no battery at all. I power up again, and i put the pda near AC hole, and in few seconds i got steady red led and battery was charging. After i put it back in the socket in few mins again no charging. In manual its written that there is a charging protection when battery is getting hot.
Did anyone encounter this problem before? Maybe its a problem with IGO and WM6.. after i close the igo and let on standby charging was ok.
VirtualM
Yup, I encountered this problem too. At first I was a little scared, didn't know what the red blinking led was meaning... but then I realized the Trinity was very hot, so I did the same, put it near a AC hole (actually in the torpedo, which also has AC for cooling drinks ).
I was using iGo on WM5, not WM6, but I don't think this makes any difference.
I'm thinking it's either a car charger problem (most probably) or even car plug parameters (voltage/intensity). I'll check later if there's any intensity (mA) output specification on the charger.
I had this on my previous FS N560, but haven't seen it on the Trinity with WM6 and TTN or iGO 2006.
The GPS receiver can get hot, so may overheat the battery. Make sure it is mounted somewhere cool- not on the windscreen in Summer, as the sun's heat can really cause problems. I now use a low mounted powered Brodit holder which is fantastic!
Had this happen for the first time yesterday. Everything has been working fine for some time and no recent change to the ROM. Have changed the car charger for a Moto V3 charger, the chargers (both old and new) have light to show they are getting power. The first time it happened the phone started charging after about 5mins. then each time after that there is nothing more than a flash of the orange light for a second.
Everything works fine with an ac charger. Will check the output in the car next to make sure it is all ok.
Hi everybody!
Could someone having the HD2 answer these questions:
While using the device's GPS over longer time (>1 hour), does the device get as hot as the HTC Touch Diamond? I'm asking that question, because on Diamond after some hours of using the GPS (charging cable in car plugged), the device gets so hot, that the battery doesn't charge any longer. And suddenly your device gets off, although its plugged for charging through cigarrete lighter.
Are there lag problems like with the HTC touch diamond?
Thanks for your replies!
Chris
GPS is one of my primary uses for my smartphones. Over the past 2 years, I have used a Diamond, Diamond 2 and now the HD2. My main GPS software is GMXT.
Yes, in the case of the Diamond, overheating was an issue with extended GPS use. It was significantly better in the case of TD2. Although I have not had the opportunity to use the HD2 on GPS for extended periods, I would guess it would be better than the TD2 - in terms of heat. I think it is a simple case of better dissipation of heat - since the body surface area have gone significantly larger from Diamond, to TD2, to HD2.
In terms of lag, I believe all smartphones will have some form of GPS lag, given its in-built GPSr. However I`m glad to say that the HD2 is extremely fast in getting a sat lock; much faster than the other 2 phones. And a 4.3" screen? It`s very legible when mounted in your car.
Yeah I used GMXT on my nokia 5800 and now on HD2 and for me HD2 is the best phone for gps because of the large screen, good gps processor and it has quickgps. Gmxt on HD2 displays position very accurately during navigation. A little heat issues but none so severe like the diamond.
I was using Garmin mobile XT on HTC Touch HD. It overheated it so much that the screen stopped responding. I had to be serviced afterwards.
HD 2 moderately heats, (but no problem at all) I guess the stronger processor has to do with it.
Something to consider:
The HTC car charger used for the older phones, with mini USB, had an output rating of 2A. While the newer HTC charger for the HD2, with micro USB, has an output rating of 1A.
Thanks for your replies!
So as far as i understood it correct, it is possible to use GPS with the HD2 endless while charger cable is connected in the car?
Something to consider:
The HTC car charger used for the older phones, with mini USB, had an output rating of 2A. While the newer HTC charger for the HD2, with micro USB, has an output rating of 1A.
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I already used a 600mA charger for the car, heating is the same as with a 1A charger...
HD 2 moderately heats, (but no problem at all) I guess the stronger processor has to do with it.
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I don't understand the logic. HD2 has a 1GH processor, while the HD has only 500Mh (half of the HD2) -> HD2 should get much hotter. But as far as i understood now, thats not case...
I'm pretty sure the heat has much more to do with the battery being constantly charged than with cpu usage...I guess a way to find out would be to use the GPS for one hour without charging (provided that the battery doesn't get drained before the hour is up
and then again one hour with the battery being charged and compare heat.
OK, I try to explain the known situation of my/the HTC Touch Diamond:
Using GPS (with IGO) about maximally one hour ist possible. Device gets verry hot, but thats no problem. But using GPS for a longer time (more than one hour, what's not verry unusual) forces you to charge the battery. Normally you won't start plugging the charging cable while driving. So i plug it in before my drive. Normally you would expect, that in that case the battery never gets empty, because it's permanently charging (for examle like a notebook, which's battery is in and is connected to a power source). But the problem is, that after some time the device gets so hot, that the emergency mechanism of the battery stops charging to prevent battery damage (or even explosion). The reason why the battery of the Touch Diamond gets so hot is, that the Processor is directly above the battery.
pat12 said:
I'm pretty sure the heat has much more to do with the battery being constantly charged than with cpu usage...I guess a way to find out would be to use the GPS for one hour without charging (provided that the battery doesn't get drained before the hour is up
and then again one hour with the battery being charged and compare heat.
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You're right charging heats the battery up. In combination with a already heated battery through the processor and considering that in summer the temperature can be high and even more heating up the battery by charging... after some time the mentioned battery protection mechanism prevents further charging and after some time the device gets off because there is no more power in the battery although it's connected to a power source...
Because of this issue and under consideration that i'm driving a lot and neet a Mobile GPS device which i can use even for 24 hours, i'm thinking about buying the HTC HD2. Therefore i need to know if the device gets so hot, that the battery stops charging after some time by using the GPS?
Can somebody definetly acknowledge or deny this?
Well, I have had no problems so far relating to heat. I have had problems with current consumption - I have a 500mA rated charger/fm transmitter... was fine with my old Mio, but after ~2min of iGo8 usage, HD2 warns me charging voltage is too low (sure, if too much current is drawn, the RC oscillator of the DC voltage regulation circuit gets out of proper operation). Use a decent charger and you won't have problems.
I was running the HD2 with Glympse for around 7 hours this past Wednesday and it was working perfectly the whole time. It was plugged into the charger constantly and while the device was warm it was no more warm than after a prolonged webbrowsing or gaming session.
Could be that using Co-Pilot or something similar would stress the CPU more than Glympse did but I doubt we would run into any issues of overheating either way.
IGO and Battery charge
1. If you use the IGO when the battery was fully charged before (green light) the HTC will work without any problems.
2. If you direct your aircondition to windshield and cool the HTC it will work fine.
3. I have TYTN II and HD2 and both off them have the same problem with battery charging when using IGO (without a work arround that I described above)
I used my HD2 with IGO8 constantly for 3hrs whilst on a long drive. I had it plugged in with charger the whole time. Whilst it worked fine for the journey, it did get incredibly hot, almost too hot to touch! and when I closed IGO8 the phone was very unresponsive and lagging constantly even though nothing was running, so I ended up switching it off for a few mins to cool down. Worked fine on restart.
Using GPS causes freeze
I am now using energy ROM
radio 2.07.50_2
everytime i use GPS, the device just freeze and the only way to restart is to take out the battery, if it did not freeze, I cannot lock up on any satellites, problem still present after flashing another ROM/Radio/HardReset
any solutions?
hd2
same story.. before HD2 I've had a Diamond that after half hour of charging + GPS it was very hot and it wouldn't charge. On Leo I've noticed that if it's charged 50% and I am plugin to the car charger it still gets hot , I charge it for about 1 hour (trip duration) and after 1 second I'm plugin it out, the battery drops from 100% to 83%.
Hi,
I have a navigation software on my x10. everything works fine but it seems that this programm needs so much battery that the charger can´t charger the battery.
With navigation turned on and charging the battery is still getting lower and lower.
I have a self build car charger in my car with 1000mA but it seems, that it´s not enough.
Have you any suggestions, how to solve the problem? Is there an app to change the cpu usage for the navigation to e.g. 60% instead of 100%? Or is this only possible with rooted phones?
Thanks.
Same Problem over here.
My only solution --> 2G instead of 3G and turning off W-Lan.
In that way (with GPS and Bluetooth active), the phone at least charges very slowly and doesn't drain the battery.
I had turned WLAN, BT, 3G off. But my battery was still not loading... Maybe I have to switch from 100% Screen brightness to automatic. I will try it the next time...
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...But my battery was still not loading...
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But the charging symbol shows up?
Did you shorten the Data+ and Data- Lines on your selfmade car charger?
I guess, you build it, like i did:
I took a 12V cigarette lighter to USB adapter.
Then I broke that thing apart and soldered a (micro) USB cable directly do the USB jack.
To make it working, I had to shorten the inner two lines.
Otherwise, the phone didn't charge at all.
Then I glued / taped / bubblegummed the whole thing an threw it behind my radio
Or did you build an other solution?
I build it myself, not broken a charger, and yes, it´s working (data is shorten), but it´s not enough to load the battery during navigation. If I turn navigation off, my battery is charging as usual.
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I build it myself.
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Nice one
Uhm.. what about rising mA a little further?
I've no clue what max. should be.
Probably you know?
I've also seen USB Chargers with 1500mA.
But I dunno, if its a good idea.
Phone + Battery would also heat up a little further...
Another Idea:
Maybe there is a couple of Apps running at full load in the background?
Take a look around in this forum.
Especially at the "helix launcher" and the "battery life issues" threads.
You can also download the App "SystemPanelLite".
With that one you can search and monitor the running Apps and their CPU consumption and so on.
With "Task Manger" (the one made by Rhythm Software) you can set up a auto kill rule.
Hope, that helps...
I have also tried to charge my phone with my car charger left from Omnia HD and the phone is not charging ??? HTC Desire is charging but X10 is not. Can someone tell me what could be the problem ??
Tnx
@damirbusic
The Problem is, that the two Data Pins (2 & 3 - the two middle ones)) must be shorten. Then the X10 is loading...
@McKebapp
I´m tried it with helix launcher and have some applications auto killed and all tasks closed. But it's still not enough.
It´s possible to charge the Li-Ion Batteries with 1500 mA. That will be my last solution. Don´t want to charge it with 1500mA due to overheating, specially in the summertime...
I don't have this issue at all, weird
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@UserX10:
Uhm... that is strange after all...
Which Navi-SW do u use?
I use "Sygic" for onboard navigation.
Normaly I use Sygic, too.
I tried Navigon, too, but the same result.
Both Apps draining the battery more then the charger is loading...
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Normaly I use Sygic, too.
I tried Navigon, too, but the same result.
Both Apps draining the battery more then the charger is loading...
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Really Strange...
Which temperatures do you have to deal with?
My last Idea: Maybe some overheat protection, that limits the charging rate?
By my one is the problem defently the temparatur... when i hold me phone in to the airstream from the aircooling then does the phone charging works. If i let the phone just on the right side of me on seat the it doesnt charged. But the symbol on the phone say the is currently charging... with the tool batterygraph can i see, thats isnt true...
aso i can reconized that the phone is hot.. realy hot.. extremly when the sun does shine on the phone.. the only solution is for me, to hold the phone from time to time at the airstream or i let the phone down in to the footweel, where does the sun not shine and a airstream flow around...
The akku is the warmest thing. without the cover, it works better.. i thnk the akku has around 45°... when is hot..
tested with navigon..
Hm... that´s possible. I will try it the next time with holding it in the airstream... Maybe that´s the solution.
I've got an windshield holder (dunno the correct English word).
While I'm driving open with my convertible, I set the airstream to the windshield (demister setting, but without heat), to cool the Phone a little down.
(If the Car is closed, I usually drive with activated A/C at 19°C - 23°C depending on my mood and the frozen girl on my side )
My Phone never exceeded 40°C.
So, this really may be the solution.
BY shorten the middle 2 pins... do you mean "short circuit" by joining the pins together in some way.
I have the same issue - I have the car charger from my old samsung omnia but it doesn't charge the phone and using any navigation software drains the battery very quickly
Jepp, short circuit the both two middle pins, then it will work.
For information: I tested today the charging with power supply.
780 mA is the maximum what the X10 takes. Tested with empty Battery (in Idle Mode and Apps running + WLAN + BT + GPS). Same result.
So a 1000 mA charger is fully sufficient.
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For information: I tested today the charging with power supply.
780 mA is the maximum what the X10 takes. Tested with empty Battery (in Idle Mode and Apps running + WLAN + BT + GPS). Same result.
So a 1000 mA charger is fully sufficient.
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i had bought an FM transmitter for the iphone for like 10bucks... the charger is USB so i just use the sony's charger cable and plug it in and it works great for me when i use NAV....no problems here
UserX10 said:
For information: I tested today the charging with power supply.
780 mA is the maximum what the X10 takes. Tested with empty Battery (in Idle Mode and Apps running + WLAN + BT + GPS). Same result.
So a 1000 mA charger is fully sufficient.
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Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Great work!
What's your opinion about your battery drainage?
Do you really think that the phone, running at full load, will suck more than 780mA to prevent charging?
Or is it really an overheating prevention?
Something I realized today:
I drove around for about an hour today.
We had 31,5°C today.
The phone was placed in its windscreen holder directly facing with its backside to the sun.
I drove with closed top A/C at 23°C.
At the end, when I was at home, the App "TempMonitor" showed me 56°C at the battery, that still was charging.
On weekend I'll try pushing the limits a little higher.
Empty battery + Navigation + open top without any A/C.
I hope my phone doesn't melt away
Hi there forum users...
I have discovered a big issue with my X10i.
When i use the GPS it drain my battery even thoug i bought the S/E car-charger only for that reason (to use the gps in my car)
It seems to me, that the phone SHOULD be able to at least maintain the same amount of "battery left" (not drain the battery any more), when using the GPS with the car charger plugged in, but for some reason even the car-charger don´t give enough power to run the navigation system
Hi.
I recently went a 400km trip with Google Maps Navigation also using the SE Car Charger, but in my case the battery power has risen. Are you using newest Firmware Version?
I have discovered the same thing, using a 3rd party car charger. Sometimes it would just stop charging... It seems to correlate to times where the battery was getting hotter then usual, so maybe its a "feature" of the charging controller to prevent battery from overheating... I was on 020 firmware then, havent tried it since I upgraded...
Same issue as the OP today, with a nokia car charger.
Lost battery power despite being plugged in. Battery also hit 55C, and it's not like I'm in a hot country, I'm in scotland!
Those with success running nav, what model of charger do you use? If it's unknown what's the output in mA?
Mine was doing the same thing (Stops Charging) until I pointed and air conditioning vent up so that it would slightly cool the phone. Then it ran nav and charged slowly the whole time.
It just gets too hot with the screen on fulltime and all of that running.
There is a battery failsafe where it will not charge if the temperature is over a certain degree. If you want ti avoid this, place the phone in a location it can have air from the air conditioner blowing on it.
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