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Nexus One 3G Issues (h/w)

Hi guys.
Please have a look at these reports:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/01/nexus-one-incurring-3g-problems/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/google-support-forums-rife-with-nexus-one-3g-complaints-is-this/
http://www.erodov.com/forums/nexus-has-one-major-pr-nightmare-coming-up-3g-issue/28857.html
and the source forum thread:
http://www.google.com/support/forum...c2&hl=en&fid=0bd8ccd4799040c200047c9a22ea5c23
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Is anyone else having spotty 3G coverage where as the same sim is having proper 3G coverage with another device?
Please report back.
Regards.

I haven't noticed any difference here.

mark925 said:
I haven't noticed any difference here.
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Did you compare it with another phone? How many bars of signal?

Mine's getting the same 3G coverage my Cliq was

I've never had 3g problemo's...then again im on wifi most of the time

TFJ4 said:
I've never had 3g problemo's...then again im on wifi most of the time
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Thats the thing with smart phones, being on 3G most of time, you don't realize the 3G speeds.

My 3g was solid when i went int town... ****ty at home but thats what wifi is for
personally i think if there is a problem its with tmobile's network... they just rolled out a new system and their service has never been "verizon" as it is... give it time children... i think everyone just likes to throw a fit about everything for the sake of kickin and screaming

haha i just checked the map around my house and there is like speckles of 3g all around my house but not directly over where my house would be... i get 3g in random parts of my house and edge upstairs in my room... pretty funny that the map of their reflects my situation so well
i cannot wait to get back to tempe, the whole phoenix metro area is one big purple blotch on the coverage map lol

JHaste said:
My 3g was solid when i went int town... ****ty at home but thats what wifi is for
personally i think if there is a problem its with tmobile's network... they just rolled out a new system and their service has never been "verizon" as it is... give it time children... i think everyone just likes to throw a fit about everything for the sake of kickin and screaming
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I totally agree... but have a look:
http://www.twitpic.com/x3zm0
How can the same provider (T-mobile) have 3G in the G1 but Edge on the Nexus One?

Its quite possible though that this is a measure implemented by Google to keep the phone in low power EDGE mode when you are not actively using the data connection? That way the phone lasts a lot longer? Just guessing...

I think it's more of a T-Mobile issue than a N1 issue. I originally ordered it with a T-Mobile SIM/plan, but ended up having to use it with AT&T on EDGE since I couldn't get a signal at all indoors and it dropped down to GRPS when I was inside a restaurant in the middle of Downtown LA!

dsjr2006 said:
I think it's more of a T-Mobile issue than a N1 issue. I originally ordered it with a T-Mobile SIM/plan, but ended up having to use it with AT&T on EDGE since I couldn't get a signal at all indoors and it dropped down to GRPS when I was inside a restaurant in the middle of Downtown LA!
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Did you see the image in the first post? Two phones side by side (both TMob... I am hoping) with one having 3 Bars (3G) and other having 4 bars (EDGE)

KiD0M4N said:
I totally agree... but have a look:
http://www.twitpic.com/x3zm0
How can the same provider (T-mobile) have 3G in the G1 but Edge on the Nexus One?
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not to be a bastard, but how do you know theres not an ATT card in that nexus one?
KiD0M4N said:
Its quite possible though that this is a measure implemented by Google to keep the phone in low power EDGE mode when you are not actively using the data connection? That way the phone lasts a lot longer? Just guessing...
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DING DING DING! i read through a good portion of the google thread at the top and then skimmed the rest and thats what i was thinking may be happening... the guy was playing pandora on 3g with no problem, soon as he gets near it to play around it goes to edge? sounds to me like maybe a power saving mechanism... like the cpu it only uses the high end data rates when necessary, crafty if thats actually what its doing and it is working right... I shall run tests tomorrow when i go into town for dinner and such
personally though, the phone has been out on the streets for like 72 hours... bite your tongue for 10 days straight and if **** still doesnt fly by your book you have 4 days left on that RMA date... iphone release days anyone? att/apple about cried...

JHaste said:
not to be a bastard, but how do you know theres not an ATT card in that nexus one?
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Probably because the Nexus One can't use AT&T 3G network, just 2G.

I've been paying close attention to reception since I got my NOne yesterday, and so far it seems to change at exactly the same times my G1 would. Upstairs 3g is strong, downstairs it drops to EDGE - just like my G1.
The only difference I notice is the NOne does it much faster.

I have a mytouch, G1 and N1 all on tmob and I have 3G on all three all the time, must be certain areas, or larger markets maybe?

NordicZz said:
Probably because the Nexus One can't use AT&T 3G network, just 2G.
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my point exactly... lol

JHaste said:
not to be a bastard, but how do you know theres not an ATT card in that nexus one?
DING DING DING! i read through a good portion of the google thread at the top and then skimmed the rest and thats what i was thinking may be happening... the guy was playing pandora on 3g with no problem, soon as he gets near it to play around it goes to edge? sounds to me like maybe a power saving mechanism... like the cpu it only uses the high end data rates when necessary, crafty if thats actually what its doing and it is working right... I shall run tests tomorrow when i go into town for dinner and such
personally though, the phone has been out on the streets for like 72 hours... bite your tongue for 10 days straight and if **** still doesnt fly by your book you have 4 days left on that RMA date... iphone release days anyone? att/apple about cried...
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True that. Still waiting for ma phone to be delivered Hope it is all well...

JoshHart said:
I have a mytouch, G1 and N1 all on tmob and I have 3G on all three all the time, must be certain areas, or larger markets maybe?
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Thats another possibility as well.
If you all remember, the 3GS used to 'reflect' the fact that it had dropped out of 3G a lot earlier than the 'iPhone 3G' and that lead ppl to believe that the 3GS has poor 3G reception.
Maybe it is a similar situation here...

Anyone having this problem in the UK?

@ AT&T Users

If you cup the bottom of the phone with both hands, will the connection switch to EDGE, or will the data just drop out altogether?
(Might only be for those of you with weak signal, such as -90 dBm and weaker)
(You can check signal strength via Settings -> About Phone -> Network)
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On edge only. T-mo n1.
When switching from holding the top and bottom; the signal changes from -61dBm to -55dBm.
Not 100% of the time though, sometimes it barely fluctuates.

britoso said:
On edge only. T-mo n1.
When switching from holding the top and bottom; the signal changes from -61dBm to -55dBm.
Not 100% of the time though, sometimes it barely fluctuates.
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I have the AT&T version and just tested this. My result on 3G are almost exactly the same. Sometimes I loose up to 10db's. I put both hands around the back, and held it close to my body.
But I've never had the phone drop to EDGE once in 2 days in the SLC area.
Is this similar to the T-Mobile one? I have a Rogers G1 at home, I should check to see how these guys compare.
-James

Just checked mine on AT&T. The phone idles at my desk at around -87dBm. When I cup my hand around it it drops to -103dBm or worse. I can get it to lose signal altogether but it does not switch to Edge. Interseting that it has to be hardware related IMO. I wonder if one of those antenna boosters would actually work in this case?

awtryau89 said:
Just checked mine on AT&T. The phone idles at my desk at around -87dBm. When I cup my hand around it it drops to -103dBm or worse. I can get it to lose signal altogether but it does not switch to Edge. Interseting that it has to be hardware related IMO. I wonder if one of those antenna boosters would actually work in this case?
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You should do a speed test with your hand around it and one without and post your results.

I see some drop as well, but don't see it as much of an issue since I don't cup my hands around the bottom of the phone when using it. I think this is a fairly common problem with any phone which has the antenna on the bottom where you normally hold it. I saw something similar with my Nokia e71. The positive is that it puts additional distance between the antenna and your brain!

awtryau89 said:
Just checked mine on AT&T. The phone idles at my desk at around -87dBm. When I cup my hand around it it drops to -103dBm or worse. I can get it to lose signal altogether but it does not switch to Edge. Interseting that it has to be hardware related IMO. I wonder if one of those antenna boosters would actually work in this case?
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Ah, I see.
So it looks like the 3G problem T-Mobile users have experienced is because of network technology.
When T-Mobile N1's go below -100 dBm, it switches to edge.
When AT&T N1's go below -100 dBm, it just cuts off the data. (Can anyone else with sub -90 dBm confirm this?)
In that case, it's hard to say which is preferable. Either you have slow connection, or no connection...
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Paul22000 said:
Ah, I see.
So it looks like the 3G problem T-Mobile users have experienced is because of network technology.
When T-Mobile N1's go below -100 dBm, it switches to edge.
When AT&T N1's go below -100 dBm, it just cuts off the data. (Can anyone else with sub -90 dBm confirm this?)
In that case, it's hard to say which is preferable. Either you have slow connection, or no connection...
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Im on the ATT network. I live in an area which is considered a "dead zone" between two towers here. Avg signal inside my home is around -92 dBm. Right now my N1 is sitting on the desk and is pulling -111 with one bar registered on edge. this is the worst ive seen it so far.

Paul22000 said:
Ah, I see.
So it looks like the 3G problem T-Mobile users have experienced is because of network technology.
When T-Mobile N1's go below -100 dBm, it switches to edge.
When AT&T N1's go below -100 dBm, it just cuts off the data. (Can anyone else with sub -90 dBm confirm this?)
In that case, it's hard to say which is preferable. Either you have slow connection, or no connection...
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Slow connection is better than no connection.

On my desk it idles at -70 dBm. With my hand around it it goes to -78 dBm. That's no biggie at all.
One thing you may be doing to foul your results is moving the phone for the in-hand test. Signal reception will be *different* with the phone in a different location and orientation.
Let's eliminate all these lurking variables before we go pointing fingers, folks.
I'm enjoy the heck out of my N1 and have had 0 problems (including anything with the screen).

I was out a good bit today in areas I usually drive. I know where I drop calls on my iPhone because I use the "Mark the Spot" app to send in to AT&T. No drop calls today with the N1. I also tested the phone in my basement. I constantly use my iPhone down there and have issues with a signal. When I originally tested the N1 in my Home Theater I was thinking I had a dud. I checked for a signal and had none where as I usually am on Edge and get 1 bar with the iPhone. The I noticed I was still on HSDPA with -111dBm. After a few seconds it switched to Edge and went into the 70-80 range. I am getting a much better Edge signal in my basement than I ever did with my iPhone.

Paul22000 said:
Ah, I see.
So it looks like the 3G problem T-Mobile users have experienced is because of network technology.
When T-Mobile N1's go below -100 dBm, it switches to edge.
When AT&T N1's go below -100 dBm, it just cuts off the data. (Can anyone else with sub -90 dBm confirm this?)
In that case, it's hard to say which is preferable. Either you have slow connection, or no connection...
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T-Mobile network would be better in that case. Think about it, its a hand off going on between 3G and EDGE. On T-Mobile, when on a call and your 3G signal gets low(-108dBm), your call is hand off to the EDGE network with higher signal. Hence no drop call when you approach a 3G dead zone. So think about AT&T, do they do this? apparently it seems the phone only switches to EDGE when there is No Signal at all on 3G. Hence a drop call could occur. Can someone confirm my theory?
awtryau89 said:
I was out a good bit today in areas I usually drive. I know where I drop calls on my iPhone because I use the "Mark the Spot" app to send in to AT&T. No drop calls today with the N1. I also tested the phone in my basement. I constantly use my iPhone down there and have issues with a signal. When I originally tested the N1 in my Home Theater I was thinking I had a dud. I checked for a signal and had none where as I usually am on Edge and get 1 bar with the iPhone. The I noticed I was still on HSDPA with -111dBm. After a few seconds it switched to Edge and went into the 70-80 range. I am getting a much better Edge signal in my basement than I ever did with my iPhone.
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Can you test my theory? Answer a call on 3G and go into your basement, your call should drop and the phone should switch to EDGE after..let me know if that happens..

T-Mobile Network Issues

Hey, anyone else have network issues with the N1 today? Seems like none of my calls or texts are going through, but I have signal and everything. I went outside to use 3g, worked for a little and then stopped.. So I did a airplane off/on and now the data wont connect. Went back inside it connected again but text and calls wouldnt work.
Anyone else having any issues?
Miui Rod Style

You need to provide more info like your general location. It might be a local issue or trouble with your phone.
I was on my phone all day in calls and data with no problems. I'm in the Chicago area.

Hi.. I have troubles with T-Mobile on 3G... but supposedly there is an issue with my mast in NR1.. I agree...where are you?
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Have you tried turning the phone off then back on? I run into this problem every once in a while. So have others:
http://code.google.com/p/android/is...on&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars

In Orlando, Fl ever since Hsdpa rolled out here If been getting little to no 3g here, spoke to a tmob rep and he saying something about no longer connecting to at&t's frequencies so data loss is possible, idk but it needs to get resolved its been a couple of weeks.

i had the same problem yesterday. It only happened to me at home when i left running around town i was able to connect for data. Also it was raining here so maybe that contributed to it

InfamousI said:
In Orlando, Fl ever since Hsdpa rolled out here If been getting little to no 3g here, spoke to a tmob rep and he saying something about no longer connecting to at&t's frequencies so data loss is possible, idk but it needs to get resolved its been a couple of weeks.
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tell me about it man, I was in Orlando this weekend and 3G connection su*ks, since I was using my phone as GPS it was very frustrating. I started messing around with build.prop like crazy but nothing worked.

Happens to me all the time. Especially around evening times. 3-6pm. This is in seattle btw.
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profresh said:
Happens to me all the time. Especially around evening times. 3-6pm. This is in seattle btw.
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Same in Eastern Washington
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I've only had issues in my house, but that's because my house is a service-killer. No bars anywhere downstairs, but almost full 3G bars in my room. lol
Have you tried the new 5.XX series radios yet? I'm running 5.08 and notice little to no data loss or other data issues. There are moments of weirdness, but a quick disable/enable of mobile data does the trick in the most severe of situations.
Gonna upgrade to 5.12 now and see what's different (apparently touchscreen ****ty-ness is fixed). Worth a shot. Use fastboot though, never flash a radio in recovery, leaves too much up to chance.

I feel ya.. I was in universal last night and I had 4-5 bars of 3g and no internet, or at least really slooooow internet when it did work. T mobile needs to ramp up Orlando's and others servers/towers. When too many people use the internet at the same time it kills the towers bandwidth. While at Universal's Horror nights I figure everyone in the 45min-2Hr lines for the houses are using it. So that is bad. But once I left Orlando it worked fine.
Had Froyo Radio... Flashed new 5.12 today one and seems better. At least Agps is working much better.

Glad to know it's not just me. I had been searching on the Internet for people with the same issues and decided to come here. I'm in stl and my data connection will either work or not. Ive tried turning off the phone and then back on, airplane, etc.
Right now it works but it's nowhere near the 4 megs i was pulling last night, its hovering around 500 Kbps when it decides to work. Im sure tmobile is just upgrading some stuff.

Looks like its just Orlando where problem exists.
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Its very frustrating, 3g used to fly here in orlando for, but now im surviving on edge...

melmotion said:
Looks like its just Orlando where problem exists.
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YEEEEEAAAH BOYEEE! I tried to get tickets for Thursday, but that didn't go well lol. Might just take my kayak out to the cove
Lol wayyyyyy off topic, sorry OP

[Q] Bay Area: 4g slower than 3g?

I finally tried the "new" 4g I get four out four 4g bars pretty much everywhere in that area. So far so good.
But when I test the speed with the speedtest.net app or testmy.net site, I am always getting only 0.4mbps download speed (but normal 0.9 mbps upload speed). 3g download speed is 1.2mbps
I also tried another EVO with the same result (both hardware version 3). I don't think it is a hardware issue, because last year I tried my EVO in a different area and got 8mpbs (with four bars).
I tried the two latest wimax versions (and updated the profile):
EVO_WiMAX_27167_R01
EVO_WiMAX_26023_R01
Does anybody have an idea why the download speed is so slow (with excellent signal strength)?
PS
I am not looking for confirmation that download speed in the bay area is fast. I believe that, I am rather interested in possible explanations, what could be wrong on my phone.

Probably something wrong going on there. I've been getting 4g in the bay area for at least 3 months. I've maxed out at 9.5 mbps...

Yes, something is probably wrong. What Wimax version did you flash?

+1 to it being fast in the Bay Area. Have gotten as high as 1.1 MByte/sec (with a -64dBm signal).
Stock EVO, and a Sierra 250U for use at the hotel.

What wimax version do you guys have on your phones?
What else could make a difference?
For example ad-blocking (via /etc/hosts or ad-free) does interfere with 4g web browsing, but I don't have any ad-blocking software or hosts file.
Again, this is the first time I am having issues with 4g. Last time I used 4g was 2months ago (before the official roll-out), but had no problems.

I got 8mb to the speed test app last night at the in n out on 101 and rhengstorf
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4G Speeds fine for me
I have a Evo 4G hardware version 0004 and my speeds are almost 10Mbps in the bay. Same in Sacramento.

I think mystery solved.
I went to a Sprint store to compare with other devices and they had the same problem.

FYI, tested from Stanford campus with almost no 4g signal and got 2.4 Mbps down and 0.5 up. Not great compared to others though, but I was indoors.
EVO 4G, CM7-GX4, Savaged-Zen

seems to be sporatic coverage to me. When i test in certain areas the speeds are awesome but when i'm at home, whether inside or outside, the speeds are indeed worse than 3g. Give it some time i guess maybe they'll bolster the coverage a bit more as they expand.
This is all in various parts of san bruno

palmdude said:
It looks like that the 4g tower in the following area has a big problem with download speeds.
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Bandwith hog, I'll bet.
Have you reported it to Sprint, just in case it's really a bad tower after all?

lacrossev said:
seems to be sporatic coverage to me. When i test in certain areas the speeds are awesome but when i'm at home, whether inside or outside, the speeds are indeed worse than 3g. Give it some time i guess maybe they'll bolster the coverage a bit more as they expand.
This is all in various parts of san bruno
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That's what I've noticed in SF. I have gotten nice d/l speeds at various places I've been but overall it's sporadic at best and 3G seems to be my best bet overall for the places I frequent.

I am not sure that this is a coverage issue. My antenna signal strength is very high and the tower is 0.2 miles away (according to spring). I tested in areas with only one bar and still got at least 2mbps.
lacrossev said:
seems to be sporatic coverage to me. When i test in certain areas the speeds are awesome but when i'm at home, whether inside or outside, the speeds are indeed worse than 3g. Give it some time i guess maybe they'll bolster the coverage a bit more as they expand.
This is all in various parts of san bruno
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I don't think it is a bandwidth hog. I tested many days around the clock always the same problem.
Yes, I called Sprint, I tried to explain that I tried other EVOs and got the same problem. And that the phone works very well everywhere else in Bay Area But they think it is a problem with my phone (after the "advanced support technician" remotely updated the phone and also did an "handsfree activation").
I guess the problem is that they haven't received (m)any calls from that area yet. The most surprising part is that the sprint store in that area apparently didn't complain about the problem either ...
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Bandwith hog, I'll bet.
Have you reported it to Sprint, just in case it's really a bad tower after all?
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Did you have any download speed problem, when the 4g signal strength was excellent ("full bars")?
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That's what I've noticed in SF. I have gotten nice d/l speeds at various places I've been but overall it's sporadic at best and 3G seems to be my best bet overall for the places I frequent.
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Exciting news.
After 13 months Sprint/Clearwire fixed the tower and I have full 4g speed now.
Average speedtest roughly 9.5mbps down and 1.4mbps up.
Speedtest via hotspot: 4.5 mbps down.

You guys are lucky.
Where im living i would post this thread with the title:
Gainesville: 3G slower than 1x?
Its been like that for the last 6 months here.
Id rather roam 1x on verizon than use sprint's 3g. 100% honest. I get about 100kbps on a good day.. average around 30 kpbs right now

palmdude said:
I think mystery solved.
I went to a Sprint store to compare with other devices and they had the same problem.
It looks like that the 4g tower in the following area has a big problem with download speeds.
http://sprintstorelocator.com/map.a...alesServices=1,2&repairServices=&services=1,3
I tried other areas (for example 101 and rhengstorf like user treckin) and everything worked perfectly (8mpb). So it is not a phone issue.
Only a problem in the above area ...
Feel free to test in that area
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That site is defunct, but you can see the tower at the new site:
https://network.sprint.com/search/94040/
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Getting great 4G speeds in San Francisco, about 8.5 Mbps download with one to two bars of strength. Compared to my .3 Mbps download speeds with full bars of 3G, it's amazing. By the way, my mom's Samsung Epic 4G is getting 5x faster 3G speeds...any reason for that? Is the Evo just that bad?

@NxNW thanks for the link update. But the map doesn't show any 4g coverage.
You can see 4g coverage here: http://www.clear.com/coverage
3g speed has been around 0.7mbps average in the last couple of months (despite the data capacity upgrade). It used to be 1.5 mbps ...
BTW the highest speed I measured was 12.4 mbps.

Possible to 'SBF out' a Motorola Pro?

Hi all,
Is it possible to extract out the SBF from the upcoming Motorola Pro?
If so how is it done? Can I use RSDlite to extract out?
Then can I use RSDlite to flash the SBF to a Motorola DROID Pro?
If you can advise I'd be very grateful.

I cant see why something like that cant be done, physically the phones are identical bar the eu version has 8gb built in. software wise its bloody awful.
I loaded the only custom rom available on today which actually allowed me to roam properly in uk and pick up orange whilst three signal was being pants. Their is problems with the graphics in th ui with that custom rom though. still it makes me wanna keep phone now as i was a bit disheartened with the bloat ware and custom menus.
Its supposed to be a 1st quarter release for the euro pro so not lang to wait and see if anything is possible.

Thanks machode - I agree completley built in software is crap.
I'm also hoping the new flashed phone will pick up signals better.
I'm convinced the USA lock on certain bands affects how good of a connection we make here.
To give you an idea, I had Giffgaff and can at most get 2 bars (centre of Birmingham and sometimes London for work) but switching to a 'normal' android phone, I easily got 3 and most of the time 4 bars of H.
I'm hoping the flash is indeed possible.
The UK site of motorola already has some info on the motorola pro - so you're right its release is immanent.
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/G.../Mobile-Phones/Motorola-PRO-GB-EN?localeId=24

Yea completely agree with you guys... im on Virgin (T-Mobile UK lines) and most of the time i get only 1-2 bars of H... even when probably standing directly underneath a spot I only get 3 of 4..
Do you guys notice the problem of the H sometimes just dropping even though you have signal, like it not being totally stable? Or is that just me being paranoid? Funnily enough, even though it only displays 1 or 2 bars of H, when its there, its still pretty fast .. enough for tethering IMO.
I really do hope a cross-flash between the devices will be possible. I mean it should not be a hard task to do as the two phones are literally the same in every aspect.. lets keep hoping!

Anyone else? Your expertise would be very appreciated

machode said:
I cant see why something like that cant be done, physically the phones are identical bar the eu version has 8gb built in. software wise its bloody awful.
I loaded the only custom rom available on today which actually allowed me to roam properly in uk and pick up orange whilst three signal was being pants. Their is problems with the graphics in th ui with that custom rom though. still it makes me wanna keep phone now as i was a bit disheartened with the bloat ware and custom menus.
Its supposed to be a 1st quarter release for the euro pro so not lang to wait and see if anything is possible.
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how strong was your signal bars with the custom rom? better than stock?

hanybanoub said:
how strong was your signal bars with the custom rom? better than stock?
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He's probably talking about the Fission ROM. This ROM uses the stock baseband, so the signal & data issues will be the same as the stock ROM.

hanybanoub said:
how strong was your signal bars with the custom rom? better than stock?
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stock rom doesnt allow me to roam properly. on three i was getting 0-1 bar or just losing signal all together without it being able to roam onto orange which is what it will do on any other phone i have had. on the custom rom it was properly roaming onto orange giving me full signal.

there is not problem with signal, its the configuration that motorola have setup on it for global use, you dont have all the normal network options to configure the phone as with other android phones.

Geeez.. what I would give to get a hold of that OS and Baseband!!!
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Funnily enough.. it still lists the model number even on that device they had at the convention as Droid Pro!?
Also look at that 3G reception... !! 4 bars!!! A sight I could only dream of ...
EDIT: Sorry, my mistake .. even 5 bars! Lol.. the scale on mine only goes to 4, probably for a good reason.

Also interesting... hands-on with the Pro on that convention in Barcelona. The guy flicks through the menu a little bit.. if any of you guys understands French its fairly interesting, if not he basically just introduces it, doenst seem he had any background knowledge about the Droid Pro in the US but compares it with the BlackBerry a lot, especially the keyboard. He also says that he spoke to one of the Motorola guys at the convention and they said that they are expecting an official Gingerbread upgrade, but no official date was given. It is also interesting to see that its stripped of any VZ stuff but nevertheless blur'ed... :/
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machode said:
there is not problem with signal, its the configuration that motorola have setup on it for global use, you dont have all the normal network options to configure the phone as with other android phones.
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machode said:
stock rom doesnt allow me to roam properly. on three i was getting 0-1 bar or just losing signal all together without it being able to roam onto orange which is what it will do on any other phone i have had. on the custom rom it was properly roaming onto orange giving me full signal.
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I'm sure you're right mate - the moto flavour of android is quite poor and overloaded with crap - which helped you pick up better signal with custom rom and same (backend) baseband as the original.
Someone put more extensive tips on configuring this phone:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/motorola-droid-pro/134934-my-tips.html#post1394685
I'll try it when I can.

vivid22 said:
Geeez.. what I would give to get a hold of that OS and Baseband!!!
Funnily enough.. it still lists the model number even on that device they had at the convention as Droid Pro!?
Also look at that 3G reception... !! 4 bars!!! A sight I could only dream of ...
EDIT: Sorry, my mistake .. even 5 bars! Lol.. the scale on mine only goes to 4, probably for a good reason.
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I'd love to flash it onto our DROIDs!
Have you tried speedtest android app? What download speeds are you getting?
Part of me is convinced some of the radio band lock affects signal, but it's NOT supposed to - only in America. Here in the UK we shouldn't be affected...

vivid22 said:
Also interesting... hands-on with the Pro on that convention in Barcelona. The guy flicks through the menu a little bit.. if any of you guys understands French its fairly interesting, if not he basically just introduces it, doenst seem he had any background knowledge about the Droid Pro in the US but compares it with the BlackBerry a lot, especially the keyboard. He also says that he spoke to one of the Motorola guys at the convention and they said that they are expecting an official Gingerbread upgrade, but no official date was given. It is also interesting to see that its stripped of any VZ stuff but nevertheless blur'ed... :/
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Nice link and info - it's good to know about gingerbread. Moto was supposed to update it with corporate features including security etc too.