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Hi there please help me to decide wich Pocket PC to buy!
HTC P3600 or ASUS P735?
They are at approx. same prices so Wich one is better?
Thanks
Trinity. Why? Because P735 has no GPS, has a weaker battery, has no infrared. On the other hand, P735 is equipped with a faster processor, more flash memory, auto focus and probably doesn't peel off, which is nice...
@dubart
Thanks a lot, Dubart, I'll be more than interested if you could tell me about the p3600.
Actually how powerfull the battery is-especially when using wi-fi? The Samsung CPU- how fast is? is it capable of managing the latest version of Skype, or some 3D game? The camera isn't problem for me.
Do you know what graphic chip is being used in the Trinity? Is it capable of playing xvid without conversion?
Finally does every single p3600 peel off?
Camera is not worth mentioning at all... totally useless, if you want my opinion. Well, it's difficult to judge battery power because it depends on many many things (usage, network, etc) but I'll describe my experiences:
I usually charge my Trin every second night. Sometimes even every night, but I'm OK with that because prior to Trinity I used Symbian-powered Nokia N80 which never managed to last until 8 pm. Wi-Fi, backlight and GPS drain the battery significantly. I've tried 2-3 times using wi-fi & GPS all day long, and needed charging after a couple of hours already. Even bluetooth & infrared make an important difference when battery time is concerned. 400 MHz Samsung processor is fine, but only 64 MB of RAM is inadequate. Skype works just fine, but not v2.2 (good for chat only, voicecalls don't work) - you need to find v2.1 (both chat & voicecalls are OK).
Graphic chip is by ATI and I'm not sure about XviD...
And finally - peeling: mine started peeling off after almost two months, but a friend of mine has it (black one, too), and his one started after just a couple of days (maybe his fingernails are a bit longer ). It peels around reset button and around stylus 'compartment' (cannot remember the exact term for it right now...). You can read here that the problem exists with black ones only, but the white one is hard to find, unless Orange branded.
Networks here in Croatia are both 2G&3G and when I set the device to choose them automatically, it ocasionally drops calls (when on 3G), so I keep it manually on 2G and turn it to 3G just when I need to make a video call or surf using 3G speeds (which is not so often because of prices here...).
Where are you from?
polaris look sweet imho
If you are going to get any asus wait for the p750. It is going to be great. I have the 3600 and it has been a good little device. Its not the best at everything but it does everything well enough. I am going to wait for the p750 to come out in Oct/Nov.
I have the black p3600 for 3 months now and mine hasn't peeled at all yet! I have been really happy with it. Definitely worth the money. I use the wifi loads at home and it works a treat. (I am using it right now)
If that screen is 2.8", then it must be too big because it has a non-sliding keyboard
Buy the Trinity
Well I'm really concerned about the skype and that peel off.
Actually I've read that the skype for Samaung CPU is still in beta version.
Could be that the problem?
What kind is that chip by ati?
Imageon what?
Is it possible to use it for 3D accelerator?
Thanks to all of you!
Здравеи!
Don't worry about Skype. As I've told you - it works, but v2.1 which you can download from www.skype.com. Skype is probably working on a solution for Samsung processors. The graphic chip appears to be ATI The Imageon™ 2282 according to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1068170&highlight=ati+imageon#post1068170. Someone here posted a photo of Trinity's motherboard, try to find it, and you'll see what chip that is.
3D games work as well.
What's the price of P3600 in Bulgaria? Around 700€ here, that's why I bought it in Germany.
p3600
The best pda, smart phone i've ever had! Its got the best features about! It will do me fine until the polairs comes out
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In BG now the trinity is sold for arround 500 euros, and I've heard that the cost will drop to 450 till christmas.
The graphics aren't teriblly fast but I hope to work for unconverted Xvid.
What about he Flash content viewing with the Trinity?
Is it true that there is fullyt functional plugin from Adobe wich makes possible viewing the flash objects inside the Pocket IE or Opera?
Have you tried this, and does the Trinity's hardware managed to render the flash content reasonably well-like desktop PC?
What about the sound quality from the stereo handsfree-bad, good, perfect?
I'm keeping asking a lot, please keep answering !!
I would wait for Polaris or maybe for Ipaq 600 / 900.
kasovnik said:
здравей
In BG now the trinity is sold for arround 500 euros, and I've heard that the cost will drop to 450 till christmas.
The graphics aren't teriblly fast but I hope to work for unconverted Xvid.
What about he Flash content viewing with the Trinity?
Is it true that there is fullyt functional plugin from Adobe wich makes possible viewing the flash objects inside the Pocket IE or Opera?
Have you tried this, and does the Trinity's hardware managed to render the flash content reasonably well-like desktop PC?
What about the sound quality from the stereo handsfree-bad, good, perfect?
I'm keeping asking a lot, please keep answering !!
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Yes, there is Adobe Flash available and it opens flash movies, but I just cannot make it work within IE or Opera. I always get a message that a plug-in is missing. The headphones that were in-the-box are nothing special, but I've found them to be OK after playing with Audio Booster.
Thanks Dubart!!
Is it possible to listen music with a standard 3,5" headphones using somekind of miniUSB-3,5" connector?
Does anybody can tell where can I read about performance tests of HTC p3600 or Asus P735 (CPU, graphics etc.)?
On GLbencmark and jbenchmark's sites there wasn't any.
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144543
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http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=144683
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I would wait for Polaris or maybe for Ipaq 600 / 900.
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any one remember due date for the polaris? I think its 1st q 08? :S
Thanks
http://www.belgiantop50.com/article-10381-HTC-Polaris-and-HTC-Touch-II-on-the-horizon.html
Both devices are rumoured to have October release dates.Link
of cause rumoured mean guessing
kasovnik said:
Thanks Dubart!!
Is it possible to listen music with a standard 3,5" headphones using somekind of miniUSB-3,5" connector?
Does anybody can tell where can I read about performance tests of HTC p3600 or Asus P735 (CPU, graphics etc.)?
On GLbencmark and jbenchmark's sites there wasn't any.
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Yeap, it is. I bought one of those adapters from eBay. They're very cheap, altogether with shipping it costs around 6 €! The sound on Sony's megabass headphones is great.
I just got into smart Phones - I learn quick as I am a PC guy for a living and been using Min Mob Stand alone devices since WM back in 99 or so.
I just bought a Tilt / Kaiser. I love it - But it has some draw backs.
Im on the At&T network.
IM thinking about Ebaying my phone and getting a Criuse.
I did some reasearch. baisly this phone - from what they say is a Tytn II without the Qwert Keypad.
DOes this phone have the same driver issues that the4 tytn has? DOes the Camera and Video Capture look jumpy and not smooth like the Tytn II?
Are there any features this phone has that the TyTN II dont?
Anyone using one of these and have anything to say about it?
I really want the best smartphone out there.
I want to be able to use it on AT&T and T-Mobile (mostly at&t) with no issues - web browsing, GPS and more. I want customability and a Great Camera. I love going to concerts and recording video clips - my old camera on my sony ericson 1.3mp and my nokia 2mp - upclose was like using a high end VHS camcorder. (perhaps you can say im a bootlegger) but im not - For the 100-200 bux I pay for concert tixx - I like Video CLip memories of all the best songs - I dont; record the whole show. I also like getting good PICS of the musicians - I tried using my Tytn II at a concert 2 nights ago and the delay of shooting vs movement always gave me a blurry pic becuase you never know how long the artist is gonna stand still for a pic while performing.
Lastly - I want good GPS navigatin (tomtom or Garmin) - or if you know of a good alternitive let me know. I want lots of open ended options for rom upgrades, software install and more.
Perhaps HTC is not where I should be looking? IS there something better that will fit my requirement?
Hope to hear feedback from you all..
Thanks.
Oh my God ... buy a DSLR or other Digital Cam. This is a Handy! In this point is the Cruise and the Tilt on the same level!
KInd of hard to get those into concerts. With the level of technology in Phones today - I really rather just have a phone that has a kick ass camera.
Other than the camera Issue - WHich of the 2 phones is better in your opinons?
actually i believe if the right video drivers were there it would improve the camera quality. if u have a steady hand and really good lighting conditions you can get good pictures. out of all htcs though i believe the athena has the best camera. prob has to do with it having more space for camera compared to polaris or tytn II and also the athena has a usable flash. as said before. if u practice u can get some good shots on polaris. i played with kaiser many times and managed some good shots. should be same with polaris.
The differences between the Tytn II and Touch Cruise are really mainly down to the keyboard (Kaiser) and the FM radio (Polaris). The camera btw has no frame rate issues under good daylight conditions, so maybe it's not only driver related.
How does the front Camera on the cruise work?
Is it only for video calls or does it do video recoding to a memory card too?
I assume that option isn't supported on US networks yet?
Video recording is the same for both cameras.
Anyways, as said before, polaris/fm radio kaiser/keyboard.
I just sold my kaiser and purchased a polaris today because i dont use the keyboar as much as i thought I would
i want polaris too. My hermes is dead and I am in search of new phone.
Where can I buy polaris in usa.
This is just a small note but I've not seen anyone else mention it.
The Polaris has no soft keys, Ok key or Windows key (start menu).
My girlfriend has the Polaris and for me it's a bit strange to get used to not having soft keys. The other keys can be assigned to the IE key if you like. But for the soft keys you always have to press the screen.
This is a big difference if you ask me to the Kaiser
Kaiser is a BRICK. It looks ugly and the WOW factor quickly diminishes as people then begin to tell you that it's a brick. Cruise although it has some issues, it's on the same level as a Kaiser but is much more sleek. The wow factor lasts longer and people admire your phone and invite you to parties you never knew existed. Before you know it, you've scored with a girl, you're in her bed and you're both playing Tetris on your Cruise.
Your choice.
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Kaiser is a BRICK. It looks ugly and the WOW factor quickly diminishes as people then begin to tell you that it's a brick. Cruise although it has some issues, it's on the same level as a Kaiser but is much more sleek. The wow factor lasts longer and people admire your phone and invite you to parties you never knew existed. Before you know it, you've scored with a girl, you're in her bed and you're both playing Tetris on your Cruise.
Your choice.
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i have a Hermes and was playing Bubble Breaker with a girl last night its still got the pulling power, i think its the bulge in the trousers.
but back to OP i would go with cruise i find the keyboard handy but its not essential. its down to taste and personal usage.
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Kaiser is a BRICK. It looks ugly and the WOW factor quickly diminishes as people then begin to tell you that it's a brick. Cruise although it has some issues, it's on the same level as a Kaiser but is much more sleek. The wow factor lasts longer and people admire your phone and invite you to parties you never knew existed. Before you know it, you've scored with a girl, you're in her bed and you're both playing Tetris on your Cruise.
Your choice.
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right , No Cruise No Party
mccune said:
This is just a small note but I've not seen anyone else mention it.
The Polaris has no soft keys, Ok key or Windows key (start menu).
My girlfriend has the Polaris and for me it's a bit strange to get used to not having soft keys. The other keys can be assigned to the IE key if you like. But for the soft keys you always have to press the screen.
This is a big difference if you ask me to the Kaiser
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I was concerned about the lack of the two keys there, but I couldn't stand the face plate for the hardkeys (had two kaisers, both wiggly plates) and ijust feel more physical buttons the more stuff tha can wear down/break etc.
now of course if my polaris ever has some sort of screen problem then i guess i'll have a fun time navigating it witht he few keys i'l have
Hi to All,
since we are all waiting for our Touch HD rolleyes - rolling our fingers without having ever seen a real one - i was wondering about a true comparison with the Trinity. We all know that the touch HD is obviously the successor of the Trinity...but wait a second eek: why not viceversa?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=533&id2=1469
the differences cool:
the trinity is 3.6 grams LIGHTER than the Blackstone
the trinity battery has a 11% more capacity than the...
the trinity has an IrDa port while the Blackstone...
the trinity has a real D-pad while the...
the trinity has 10 real buttons while...
the trinity has EVEN a scrollwheel!
...do you agree D)? of course, this is a temporary comparison up to the infamous delivery date, when i will probably change my mind...but my Trinity will forever rest in peace nearby my glorious Wizard!
More differences:
HD screen and resolution: 3.8 " (97 millimetres)
Display Resolution: 480 x 800
Trinty screen and res: 2.8 " (72 millimetres)
Display Resolution: 240 x 320
HD Processor: 32 bit Qualcomm MSM7201A
CPU Clock: 528 MHz
Trinty Processor: 32 bit Samsung SC32442
CPU Clock: 400 MHz
...apart from jokes...
...and you forgot another important improvement: 288 Mb of RAM are a HUGE improvement with respect to the 64K (48K usable) of the trinity...i hope that this memory is not all eaten up by the video ram....
LOL
Maybe that is going to happen mate, the more memory devices have, the more memory new programs demand, that is called consumism...
I always thought that the Diamond was the spiritual successor to the Trinity:
next in line using the product name: P3600 -> P3700
same form factor, but lighter and thinner
upgraded camera
upgraded screen
GPS as well
etc
Heh, with the advances in finger friendly apps and FTouchFloSL etc. all my hardware buttons have become redundant except the on/off and hang up buttons
Bring on a larger screen!!
At the first price drop it's mine
i would say trinity > elf (touch) > polaris (touch cruise) > diamond > touch hd
pzucchel said:
...and you forgot another important improvement: 288 Mb of RAM are a HUGE improvement with respect to the 64K (48K usable) of the trinity...i hope that this memory is not all eaten up by the video ram....
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I am tempted by the Touch HD, but it still lacks the UMTS coverage for international travel.
Trinity has triband UMTS
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Touch HD is only dual band
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS2100
Beyond the UMTS issue, I use my Trinity to read/surf with the D'Pad. It is handy when in bed or just relaxing in the park. I don't like the idea of using 2 hands all the time. The computing power and RAM of the HD is of course superior. Why not make thinner lighter Trinity with more horsepower, I'd buy that!
On a Diamond with SmartTouch I really do all the reading and browsing with a single finger, without using the d-pad.
TouchHD any day
I threw my trinity at the wall today (but thanks to its hard perspex shell. it lived without so much as a scratch). It is so utterly slow in everything it does and always bumping itself into full silent mode without telling me. by the time I dish it out of my pocket I've missed 12 important calls - rendering my PHONE (it's main purpose) about as useful as facial hair on a woman.
So lets see.... HTC Touch HD....
* more than 10x free RAM...
* more than 4x the number of pixels and a 84% increase in screen real estate (if you did your maths properly. it's NOT a 36% increase)...
* its thinner than an iphone yet does a billion times more things thanks to the xda-dev community...
* and its got a way faster cpu!
It's more than twice the phone that the Trinity will ever be, in any respect!
.. seriously man.. if I was GOD.. and I'm being asked to improve on the Touch HD?.. only thing I can think of is jamming a dual core Intel U7700 into that thing *drooool*....Until technology can afford to do that, this phone is no less than perfect for me. I'm buying it. Period.
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On a Diamond with SmartTouch I really do all the reading and browsing with a single finger, without using the d-pad.
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Are you holding the phone in one hand and using a single finger?
the perfect phone is here!!!
...decided: I'll order the touch HD, but I will keep my trinity!
advantages: 6x more pixels, 3 times more screen surface, many buttons, memory, twice the battery lifetime, twice the cpu power, good xda roms available right now, umts coverage, fault tolerant, swappable microsd card...even double gps coverage if i get lost in the desert!
...this is the telephone of my dreams, i am going to order the other accessory (the HD) since i already have the trinity!!!
Matterhorn said:
Are you holding the phone in one hand and using a single finger?
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ah, but you use the FINGER? i always used my TOE...
pzucchel said:
ah, but you use the FINGER? i always used my TOE...
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Ha Ha, "monkey see monkey do"
I have to say that this HD has my attention. The $1,000 price tag is a bit much to swallow when my trinity still works fine. Maybe Swisscom will have it available on a contract.
Cheers,
price
I ordered it for 909 CHF from www.digitec.ch. It is very good distributor, i already built my PC buying components from them, they are #1 in switzerland (check for example www.toppreise.ch). It is supposed to arrive first week of november.
pzucchel said:
I ordered it for 909 CHF from www.digitec.ch. It is very good distributor, i already built my PC buying components from them, they are #1 in switzerland (check for example www.toppreise.ch). It is supposed to arrive first week of november.
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That is a very tempting price when you compare it to a Touch Pro which costs 20 francs more than the HD.
pzucchel: I sent you a PM.
lonertic said:
I threw my trinity at the wall today (but thanks to its hard perspex shell. it lived without so much as a scratch). It is so utterly slow in everything it does and always bumping itself into full silent mode without telling me. by the time I dish it out of my pocket I've missed 12 important calls - rendering my PHONE (it's main purpose) about as useful as facial hair on a woman.
So lets see.... HTC Touch HD....
* more than 10x free RAM...
* more than 4x the number of pixels and a 84% increase in screen real estate (if you did your maths properly. it's NOT a 36% increase)...
* its thinner than an iphone yet does a billion times more things thanks to the xda-dev community...
* and its got a way faster cpu!
It's more than twice the phone that the Trinity will ever be, in any respect!
.. seriously man.. if I was GOD.. and I'm being asked to improve on the Touch HD?.. only thing I can think of is jamming a dual core Intel U7700 into that thing *drooool*....Until technology can afford to do that, this phone is no less than perfect for me. I'm buying it. Period.
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uhm, we are all so happy with this DREAM HTC that....i remember i was also very happy with my DREAM Trinity (before release!)...
By the way, how do we know it is so fast? it cannot be faster than the touch pro - which has the same ram and the same processor but less pixels...
pzucchel said:
...decided: I'll order the touch HD, but I will keep my trinity!
advantages: 6x more pixels, 3 times more screen surface, many buttons, memory, twice the battery lifetime, twice the cpu power, good xda roms available right now, umts coverage, fault tolerant, swappable microsd card...even double gps coverage if i get lost in the desert!
...this is the telephone of my dreams, i am going to order the other accessory (the HD) since i already have the trinity!!!
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Congrats for your desicion! and welcome to the: HD waiting to recieve club!
I will also keep my Uni, so many years serving me so great!
One thing that I'm wondering about with the Touch HD is the presence and usability of graphics acceleration. The Trinity has an ATI graphics chip inside and although in the beginning there weren't many apps that could tap into it, the new CorePlayer takes advantage of it. In fact video playback is quite good now with the acceleration working. YouTube playing through the CorePlayer is PERFECT on the Trinity with acceleration activated.
I've read that the Diamond and the TouchPro suffer from terrible video playback performance. I'm wondering if the Touch HD will also be handicapped when it comes to video playback. That would be a pity and a waste of that big beautiful screen.
Also...I have to brag that my Slingbox is streaming video to my Trinity over wifi hotspots with great resolution and fluidity and I wouldn't want to give that up.
Does anyone know how the graphics acceleration is performing on the HD?
Matterhorn said:
One thing that I'm wondering about with the Touch HD is the presence and usability of graphics acceleration. The Trinity has an ATI graphics chip inside and although in the beginning there weren't many apps that could tap into it, the new CorePlayer takes advantage of it. In fact video playback is quite good now with the acceleration working. YouTube playing through the CorePlayer is PERFECT on the Trinity with acceleration activated.
I've read that the Diamond and the TouchPro suffer from terrible video playback performance. I'm wondering if the Touch HD will also be handicapped when it comes to video playback. That would be a pity and a waste of that big beautiful screen.
Also...I have to brag that my Slingbox is streaming video to my Trinity over wifi hotspots with great resolution and fluidity and I wouldn't want to give that up.
Does anyone know how the graphics acceleration is performing on the HD?
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From what I can see in the numerous videos about HD, graphics acelaration looks pretty cool in performance!
Just google HD and see the videos
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
- No [email protected] videos
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1? If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
yes, cancel your order and buy an iphone , this solve all probs about camera , recording , gps lag etcetc
kersh said:
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
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I doubt this ... because:
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
kersh said:
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
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I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
But, again, no more report from other owner ...
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- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
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I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
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Agree, I think the camera still sux ... or worse (more shutter-lag because of the 5 MP?)
kersh said:
- No [email protected] videos
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
kersh said:
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
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This is bad ... probably we need to start counting how many percent have dead pixel. Poll anyone?
kersh said:
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1?
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Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
X1 ---> Slow performance???
kersh said:
If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
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My reason? I dont know ... probably I will stick with my Kaiser ... and wait the next 3.8" WinMo ...
Or probably wait WinMo 6.5? Probably this can add some more functionalities.
Well right now i want a WinMo device and i want it with a 3.5mm audio jack, so that leaves me with two options:
X1 and Touch HD
Since X1 doesnt have an acclerometer (which WinMo7 is going to use heavily), has a recessed screen and TouchFlo doesnt play nice with it yet and since i can't use the keyboard fully in my language, i'd rather go with Touch HD's bigger screen.
GPS and camera aren't so crucial for me (for 3 years on my old nokia, i've used the camera ~10 times, haven't had a GPS and don't imagine i'll need it much (though its nice to have)).
Devices with dead pixels are covered by warranty, so that shouldnt be a problem.
And the only other argument you have is video doesnt play smooth, which isnt that good, since i plan on using it a lot, but when i asked here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443245 the guy says that non-AC3 movies from the net play ok and on one review, the reviewer was playing an ep of House on it and it looked OK to me, so i guess it'll do for me.
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
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Actually it is. Played for 30 mins with one at a shop the other day and zoomed out everything was perfectly readable for me (though i'm young and don't use glasses, don't know about old folks (a lady at the Xperia forum returned it for that very reason)) the only thing that bugged me is that you can't click links directly from a zoomed out standpoint, first you have to zoom in, but that's Opera's fault, not Touch HD's. The guys at Opera should fix it
Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can and it haa pretty much the same specs as Touch HD, except for the camera, maybe that's the problem.
Also Nokia N95
iPhone might as well not have a camera
its a nice phone but not the killer device it was hyped up to be, but i hope it will improve god willing when the developers have a go at it.
...Frankly speaking, you should have waited if you had been disappointed by the HTC devices in general. If you don't like to fiddle with your telephone, suffer for improvements, contribute to it and refresh your OS every week - then an HTC is probably not the better choice, many other companies make good telephones and similar sexy toys. The touch HD is, in my opinion, the most innovative personal platform which has appeared in the last years - it just misses Linux which will arrive soon...
i think that HTC telephones are a technology platform to have fun, like PCs 20 years ago.
If you were expecting an "out of the box" apple performances and finished ergonomics there is no need of investigating: i would suggest to cancel your order and buy an I***** (...oops, i cannot even write it....maybe an allergy? )
BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
Since there is a lot of speculation, shouldn't everybody clarify if they heard/read about a problem from internet, or they had/saw the problem themselves?
pzucchel said:
BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
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What speeds do you drive at?
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
gogol said:
I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
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Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
gogol said:
I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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In youtube you cant see much, you need to use coreplayer benchmark or so and that have about 80%, that it is 20fps instead 25 on videos, so not smooth video playing
gogol said:
Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can do and really great
gogol said:
Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
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yes, same **** that hd touch, very important issue on latest htc's
gogol said:
X1 ---> Slow performance???
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x1 slow performance? It have better performance, more ram, no video issues.
compared with the touch pro, the touch hd is a big improvment. Battery life seems increadable - with the same use the touvch pro would have died hours ago and i still have 50 % left!1 Gps sensitivity is as good as my old kaiser - the touch pro could never get a lock indoors.
Not sure what htc have done, but its all good.
Coreplayer says 80% so the video playback is bad?
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lol
Ok.
TonyPlayer says 100.5%.
All these reports of crappy video playback are starting to worry me, that's one of the main reasons why i'm buying it...
Why do you use CorePlayer when WM6.1 comes with Windows Media Player ?
kersh said:
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
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Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
Let's make it clear iGO v8.3.1.57021 corrects the lag ! and many more improvments
pzucchel said:
Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
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Dear pzucchel,
as u mentioned in the second paragraph,would u be kind enough to do some simple test for the gps lag issue.can u drive at a speed of 80 to 100 km/h,when you physically reach a junction or an interchange ,where is the current location(i.e car icon or triangle) of your device showing? if its exactly parallel to the junction or interchange,than there is no lag..the difference between your physical location and your device location is the actual lag.Another simple test is when your car has physically turn into a junction,how long would the device take to show you are now driving on a new road and direction.and if you could be kind enough to specify what navigation program you used for the test..that will be wonderful.
Thanks in advance for your help
I've been looking forward to the touch hd for a bit now, and I still plan to get it. If there is anything i have learnt from these forums is how a lot of problems is software based.
Anyway, one main reason i'm getting it is that chance to have android on it when it gets ported on.
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It depends on the software you use.
I have tried Garmin XT and iGO 8.3.1 on my HTC Trinity.
The Garmin was always a little bit behind, where iGO was always on spot!
And guess what:
I have tried both on my Touch HD, and have exactly the same findings!
I too like Android OS on the cell phone. I have been trying to tolerate the Sammy i760 I am now using, but the HD and the Omnia 16gb both look good. I also am thinking of the Invidia Tegra 600 series as it WILL play at 30fps. Would this be the "one" to wait for? or is it in something and I don't know due to all the Dr's I have to see and travel too? Thanks, JASTECH
NVIDIA Tegra 650 also features:
• All-day media processing, for 130 hours audio, 30 hours HD video playback
• HD image processing for advanced digital still camera and HD camcorder functions
• Optimized hardware support for Web 2.0 applications for a true desktop-class internet
experience
• Display support for 1080p HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD and CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV-Out
• Direct support for WiFi, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals
Tegra 650
* Processor and Memory Subsystem
o ARM11 MPCore @ 800 MHz
o 16/32-bit LP-DDR
o NAND Flash support
* HD AVP (High Definition Audio Video Processor)
o 1080p H.264 decode
o 720p H.264 encode
o Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
o JPEG encode and decode acceleration
* ULP GeForce
o OpenGL ES 2.0
o Programmable pixel shader
o Programmable vertex and lighting
o Advanced 3D/2D graphics
* Imaging
o Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
o Integrated ISP
o Advanced imaging features
* Display Subsystem
o True dual-display support
o Maximum display resolutions supported:
+ 1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
+ WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
+ SXGA (1280x1024) CRT
+ NTSC/PAL TV output
Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!
Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)
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Well for video performance, as long as you install the right software then the Touch Pro, Omnia and HD will all do a great job. The Omnia and HD have the bigger screen so they'll be nicer to watch.
I personally can't confirm as my HD hasn't arrived yet but apparently there is still GPS lag in the HD as it uses the same CPU and GPS chip as the Touch Pro.
Does the Omnia have GPS? If so, try an Omnia forum and ask about lag there. It might be the one for you (with the nice 16Gb internal storage!)
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Yes Omnia has GPS, but the question is where do I find an Omnia forum?
Thanks!
The QVGA and small screen puts me off.
However, I wish the Korean Omnia (T*Omnia) is available. It has the same resolution as Touch HD although still a small 3.3 inch screen. It has a television tuner, although I'm not sure if the tuner (T-DMB) works outside korea. It has flash for the camera too.
T*Omnia stirs my interest a lot. The question is whether and when Samsung will sell it outside Korea.
Someone mention he would try to get it from Korea, but I'm not sure if an English ROM is available.
It's 3.2 on the Omnia. Since when is 3.2 small? So 3.2 is small and I guess 3.8 is large?...
I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!
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I have both and the HD outclasses the Omnia in virtually every respect ...other than the camera (and the Omnia's isn't that good) and the accelerometer (which has been disabled HTC in most applications out of the box). The HD is so slick that the faster processor in the Omnia isn't noticable and the mega-sensitive touch screen makes using the HD a comparative breeze (I've come from a Hermes so any other touch screen has to be an improvement), also the HD ships with an 8GB memory card.
Perhaps one other thing that the Omnia my have over the HD - the Omnia's got a lanyard hole!!
...gave the Omnia to my wife before you ask to buy it!
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Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!
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Okey so let me get this straight!
Does the Omnia also have the GPS lag, or are you saying that HD does not have the lag?
Also, I read in this forum that the video playback is a no go without conversion on HD, is it the same on Omnia or can it play videos smooth out of the box without conversion?
I am a little confused right now!
Thanks!
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Since omnia has intelxscale technology it is fully supported by coreplayer 1.2.5. I've been testing it thoroughly and I can assure you it plays videos smoothly like your pc. (180% 200% in coreplayer's test)
The only thing that made me sell my omnia was the smaller and lower resolution screen
3.2" WQVGA (240x400) vs 3.8" WVGA (480x800)
but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).
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but in video performance, touch hd sucks with coreplayer due to no hardware support and be advices this issue hasn't been resolved with HTC for 2 years now (the same goes for other devices as well).
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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!
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You must be using a different device to me mate. Video playback is smooth with core player and everyother player i've used! Infact its the best i've ever seen on a mobile device!!!!! This question Omnia v HD is sooooo simple. If you want a smaller screen then you need the omnia, other wise it has to be the HD, it is simply the best device on the market!!!
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I so agree with this... I've never been as blown away about video experience on a phone as with my HD... And note I say "experience" which is not just performance, but instead the whole picture. Huge screen, superb sharpness (which goes a long way in making all the difference between even the Korean Omnia and the HD) and any DivX I throw at it runs like a breeze.
Of course I don't use 4GB files to watch my movies, I am one of those old fashioned people who still think that 800MB files provide more than enough detail for a phone screen. If you are one of those people who think they can clearly discern between 800MB and 1,5GB files on a mobile device and feel that 800MB looks totally crappy, don't listen to me
Edit: Forget this post, it was nonsense based on a total lapse of reason on my part
But to make a more useful comment: I will always prefer the HD interface over the Panels thing.
Never liked that dangling stylus on the omnia - a bit of a girly thing
branko.savic said:
Sorry if I post this in the wrong place but I just have to ask!
I also posted a similar thread over in the Touch Pro forum, but I want your opinions as well sense you are already using the HD!
I have today the Touch Pro, but I am considering to buy a new device becouse of the GPS lag and poor video performance!
I am tired of bringing several devices with me every time I want to go somewhere just becouse my EXPENCIVE HTC device cant do what it is supposed to do!
I am looking for a device that can play videos smoothly, no gps lag and of course I want to be able to take good pictures without having to worry about blured out photos as much as I do on my device!
Lets face it, I have had alot of HTC Devices over the years and it´s always something thats wrong with them!
I am keeping my TP in case something changes in the future, but for now I do feal that I have to get myself another device that is working properly!
Now my choice is betweek the HD and samsund Omnia!
Do you guys have any experience about the omnia vs HD?
Or do you reccoment another device that is in your opinion even better?
Thank you all in advance!
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I have come from the Omnia to the HD and I find the HD a much better device for me, so far I have not expierenced the GPS lag that is being mentioed a lot, i use iGO8 without any issues.
I have also watched 3 divx movies on the HD using coreplayed, again without any issues.
The camera is the standard HTC fare, it is good in ideal conditions and as I have said before it is only the fact that it is 5MP that makes it good, the Omnia camera is the best PDA phone camera I have ever used.
The HD has a built in stylus and not a "phone charm" dangling thing like the Omnia.
hope this helps
I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
Any Suggestions???
I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.
Memory Card?
I've heard that the encoding of the program can cause it to stutter (in one of the many reviews I've read!) though it could also be the memory card you're using. Make sure its a decent class so that the read spead won't cause any issues.
For the people who think this device playbacks well on videos maybe you should do a little bit of search in this forum first...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444494
kersh did some tests, none of the videos performed 100% (which means minimum acceptable playback speed)
For people not so demanding on video playback performance this might not be an issue, but as I said in other posts this as an advertised multimedia device is expected to perform excellent which is NOT...
I haven't noticed any extraordinary GPS lag compared to other devices using iGo8 (there's some little lag but it's natural as the GPS receiver is polled at certain intervals, which should be compensated by software "magic"). I also tried two external GPS receivers, one based on SiRF III, another one based on MTK, and haven't found any difference in this regard.
Video playback on HD is quite tolerable and I seriously doubt it'll match that of powerful Marvel-based devices, but that's the limitation of the Qualcomm architecture. In addition to a weaker processor, the device also has higher resolution which adds to the problem. Omnia's performance is vastly superior, not just in video. I don't know whether the HD's hardware accelerator is or will be used and whether this will help. That being said, you can watch movies on this device, it's not a 200MHz Touch or something. In some movies you'll notice occasional frame skips, in others it's quite smooth, but you aren't trying to substitute your big screen plasma with this, are you?
If these are the two applications you use the devices for, Omnia could make sense. However, the screen there is awful. Low resolution makes web surfing quite painful, in the overview mode you can't read fonts at all. Also, esthetically, the pixels are huge and very visible, which makes using the device much less fun. This turned me off completely.
Jigzuk said:
I have to disagree with the above commnets. I just got My HD yesterday from Orange. And I haven't installed any additional applications apart from coreplayer. I've tried running an episode of House 350mb divx/xvid file. And there isn't that much action in this program but I still get dithering/slow running. Also got a couple of movies on the card same format approx 715mb and again it doesn't run as nicely as I would have expected it to or have seen it to play (as the video on Youtube shows)
Any Suggestions???
I practically only got the phone for the nice big screen and so I can play videos on it. Not really bothered about a GPS lag.
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i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.
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i don't understand how you can disagree with my comments when they are my experiences with my device, anyway am not sure why you are experiencing stuttering and lags, but I have not had any so far, I have watched 3 700~mb divx movies and so far so good.
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Just the fact that a movie is a 700MB divx doesn't mean much, they are quite different in terms of performance. In my experience, some play OK to fine, others skip frames visibly in dynamic scenes. It's nowhere close to even 416MHz Intel/Marvel devices, let alone the 600+MHz Omnia.
Purchased Omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted for the HD!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!