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HTC Touch Dual -Will original Touch owners feel the love?

Okay the new virtual keyboard, contacts app, photos app,home screen and gestures all look great with the Touch Dual, but will original touch owners be able to enjoy this by way of an update? Ive heard nothing. Im a bit pissed actually, I know technology moves fast but the Touch is only 4 months or so old, its still a relatively new device and I feel HTC sold me half a product.

have a look
As quoted on techtree.com
After a successul release in Japan, HTC now plans to officially launch the Touch Dual mobile phone for Europe. The Touch Dual measures 107x55x15.8-mm and weighs 120-grams. It supports WCDMA/HSDPA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access/High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) 2100MHz and GSM/EDGE 900/1800/1900MHz networks. It also features the TouchFLO interface over Windows Mobile 6 Professional and a 2.6" QVGA touch-screen and is powered by a 400MHz Qualcomm MSM7200 processor. It comes with 256MB flash, 128MB RAM, and microSD expansion; Bluetooth 2.0+EDR; 802.11b/g WiFi; HTC ExtUSB (HTC's mini USB 2.0 jack with support for data and audio); and a battery to keep you talking for upto 240 mins on WCDMA and upto 360 minutes on GSM frequencies.

darthbane2k said:
Okay the new virtual keyboard, contacts app, photos app,home screen and gestures all look great with the Touch Dual, but will original touch owners be able to enjoy this by way of an update?
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doubtful,.. but hope dies last!

There will be an update for the keyboard.. that's sure ! but for the rest we will see... it seems possible to have everything "software" if the rom are quite the same.. but we can't say this without the touch dual roms.
HTC promises the keyboard for the touch .... but for the rest.. nothing is said yet.

Ofcourse they aint gonna give that to us. They want you to buy the 'new and better' Touch. They already have your money, but they want mmmoooOOORE!
*ahwem*
Anyway, there might be a chance we get it for the Touch. And otherwise I'm sure someone will be able to get it from the Touch Dual .
But looking at how succesful the Touch is in sales, this is the moment for HTC to show how they are in the after sales.
Coming from the s100 and s200 I'm not too confident in all this though, but we'll see!

some of the new features for the dual is surely plus for me. i don't like the smaller screen and bulkiness of the unit compared to the touch. but who knows, when i see it personally on shops, i might get one also to play with.

i think pdaviet or another developer will include this functions to their roms for prophet and old htc touchs.

No wifi

I dont think we will want to wait for HTC to release an update for these features. This sounds like a job for.... someone else. I bet a developer will write a app that will implement these features. Touch Dual looks great, I like the direction HTC is going but not giving this device Wlan is really lame. It's also being released as the O2 XDA Star, but quadband.

No wifi? As far as I can see wifi is one of the features....in previous specs I've seen GPS - which is missing now - which would be for me the only reason to swich

GPS
Do you think GPS is on board, but disabled???

alexandera said:
Do you think GPS is on board, but disabled???
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Qualcomm MSM7200 processor technical features:
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gpsOne® position-location assisted-GPS (A-GPS) solution
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http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7200_chipset_solution.jsp

one of the things that made me switch to Htc Touch was wifi. Since the HTC Slide doesnt have wifi, then i dont think its worth the change

The lack of wifi let me down too.
I've been waiting for the new touch with 3.5G, but no wifi is a big no no for me. Let's see if they update the software on the original touch, if they do, I'll buy one, if they don't, I won't buy any of them, I'll just wait. Form factor wise, I think the original touch is cooler

Yep, my ideal phone (at the minute) would be the Touch, but with built-in GPS, a faster processor and larger storage. But processor and storage don't bother me too much (overclocked and a 6GB memory card) so only issue is the lack of built-in GPS - means I have to use a separate bluetooth GPS, which is rather inconvenient at times
David

400mhz
400mhz is awfully fast. the touch is 201, i think most people can get it running close to 300 with overclocking but that just means the new one is gonna scream, nothing better than streaming porn to classmates and coworkers via bluetooth!
seriously though, the tech upgrades alone might be worth picking one up, espcially considering it will probably have the same customization options our touches have now.

i just love my touch and wouldn want any other phone now! it just has everything and i like the fact that the only keys are the ones to make calls...
i dont mine useing the touchkeyboard and the 201MHr are enough i think...
gps doesnt bother me neither... only people with a bad sence of orentation need pgs

Hi
Does anyone know on what network the touch dual is going to be released in the uk?
Is it going to be available on t-mobile? If so when?
Thanx
Nik

hey guys !
watch this rewiew of the htc touch dual
http://smape.com/en/reviews/htc/HTC_Touch_Dual-rev.html

wow i just read the review, it seems the old Touch is better at quite a number for stuff especially graphics and many multimedia.
With the higher price, minus Wifi, and smaller screem, we (with the old touch) shouldnt feel too bad guys

Htc Diamond!!

This phone looks really cool, and i thought i would share it with you.
The May 6th event in London in London is drawing ever closer. It is still three days away, and our mouths are already watering for the HTC Diamond. The presumed highlight of the show, will be the HTC Diamond. Now, instead of the low quality spy shots we have seen, we finally have some awesome images. Also, we have the rumored specifications of the device. Strap in, because this is some exciting stuff.
For media, there is a 3.2 megapixel camera, 4GB of internal storage with MicroSD expansion still on the table, FM radio and a 2.8 inch glorious VGA screen. This things rocks Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional, and has the hardware to back it up, with a 528MHz CPU monster. Connectivity is a sure thing, with HSDPA 7.6mbps, and WiFi, you are ready for all the high speed you can handle. To round out the feature list, it has a slide out QWERTY, quad band GSM, a rumored accelerometer, and is 10.7mm thick
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Here are some new things to check out!!
http://www.phonemag.com/video-hands-on-with-htcs-touch-diamond-052696.php
http://www.phonemag.com/htc-touch-diamond-hands-on-live-photos-from-london-052692.php
http://www.phonemag.com/htc-touch-diamond-specs-gps-confirmed-900mah-battery-052691.php
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# Connectivity: WCDMA / HSPA: 900/2100MHz. HSDPA 7.2 Mbps and HSUPA
# Operating system: Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional
# Display: 2.8-inch VGA touch screen
# Camera: 3.2MP, with video calling
# Internal memory: 4 GB Internal Storage, 256 MB flash, 192 MB RAM,
# Bluetooth: 2.0 with EDR
# Wireless: WiFi 802.11b/g
# GPS: GPS/AGPS
# Interface: HTC ExtUSB™ (mini-USB and audio jack in one; USB 2.0 High-Speed)
# Battery: 900 mAh
# Talk time: GSM: up to 4 hours
# Standby time: GSM: up to 300 hours/100 hours with push email
# Chipset: Qualcomm MSM® 7201A™ 528MHz
# Size: 102 x 51 x 11.33mm
# Weight: 110 g

Please post it in the right thread. Why are people messing up this thread

12ka4 said:
Please post it in the right thread. Why are people messing up this thread
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I'll tell you why:
Because this is the most popular thread and people get a wider coverage for their posts here.
It sucks that they misuse the xda-forum like this, and they make it a nightmare for the rest of us to navigate the forum.

rhov23 said:
I'll tell you why:
Because this is the most popular thread and people get a wider coverage for their posts here.
It sucks that they misuse the xda-forum like this, and they make it a nightmare for the rest of us to navigate the forum.
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This is true and I had thought of posting my Themes in this section which others have but, I posted them in general instead. Making a theme isn't development IMO as compared to making the killer app iTask.

That thing is ugly

Sorry for posting in the wrong section!! =(

really ugly !!! The front looks good, but the BACK !!!
vga is great, but the screen isnt bigger than others, why ? and does it still have just 64000 colors ?
The cpu is good, but this is no real milestone, and really uggly design sorry. Reminds me of the ugly corners of the touchcruise.
But you are all right, this is all definitly wrong here.

hohoho
LG KC1 is Marvell Monahans 806 MHz CPU

I think it's beautiful all the way. The back is painted with an optical illusion that it looks like a diamond, where in fact it's just flat. Brilliant!

Have you guys ever heard of buzz marketing?
This is exactly what this DaVince boy is doing.
I hope for him that he makes some good money out of this.
BTW the HTC Diamond brings in some step changes and not the quantum leap he alluded to.
Regards

HTC Touch Diamons hands-on : http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/06/htc-touch-diamond-hands-on/
Includes vids.

This is a continuation of the Touch series. There is no QWERTY slide out keyboard.
Enough to make me not buy it, sadness.

does HTC fix the video driver problem with the Diamond?
I was thinking of buying a Diamond for Mother's Day for my wife who is enjoying her Wizard. I was assuming that the video performance problem that exists with the Touch, the Kaiser, the Athena, etc., etc. is fixed in the Diamond, but I'd like to be sure.
My Wizard and my Cingular 2125 perform better than my Tilt and my Athena. By perform better, I mean screen redraws; doing things like changing orientation, or using the Camera, or scrolling in a web page, are painfully slow on the Tilt and the Anthena. I don't own a Touch, so I don't know first hand, but I believe the Touch is listed on http://www.htcclassaction.org/.
Since the Diamond is in the Touch family, I am concerned that it will have the same video performance issues. I'm not up enough on which chipset use which drivers.
Does anyone know if HTC has fixed the video driver problem in the Diamond?

xdafile said:
Does anyone know if HTC has fixed the video driver problem in the Diamond?
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When it's out to buy, we will all know
hopefully they fixed the camera too

like the looks, like the 4G of internal mem. but there is nothing about a micro sd slot on the site and 4g is simply not enough.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46286

alfa said:
like the looks, like the 4G of internal mem. but there is nothing about a micro sd slot on the site and 4g is simply not enough.
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46286
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Seconded. Comes straight off my shopping list for that 1 thing alone. 4gb is not enough. end of.

I ordered it already, can't wait P

Love the look of this youtube player it has on board. Very i(you know what) like.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4952558463886652060&q=HTC+Touch&ei=XPMgSIL3GqCErAOU7cX6AQ

Flipside said:
I ordered it already, can't wait P
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What was the price that you paid for this beauty?

Unfortunately there is no expansion slot according to this site:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1305
Say it isn't so HTC! Say it isn't so!

another disappointing device from htc?

Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
- No [email protected] videos
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1? If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.

yes, cancel your order and buy an iphone , this solve all probs about camera , recording , gps lag etcetc

kersh said:
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
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I doubt this ... because:
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
kersh said:
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
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I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
But, again, no more report from other owner ...
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- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
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I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
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Agree, I think the camera still sux ... or worse (more shutter-lag because of the 5 MP?)
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- No [email protected] videos
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
kersh said:
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
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This is bad ... probably we need to start counting how many percent have dead pixel. Poll anyone?
kersh said:
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1?
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Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
X1 ---> Slow performance???
kersh said:
If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
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My reason? I dont know ... probably I will stick with my Kaiser ... and wait the next 3.8" WinMo ...
Or probably wait WinMo 6.5? Probably this can add some more functionalities.

Well right now i want a WinMo device and i want it with a 3.5mm audio jack, so that leaves me with two options:
X1 and Touch HD
Since X1 doesnt have an acclerometer (which WinMo7 is going to use heavily), has a recessed screen and TouchFlo doesnt play nice with it yet and since i can't use the keyboard fully in my language, i'd rather go with Touch HD's bigger screen.
GPS and camera aren't so crucial for me (for 3 years on my old nokia, i've used the camera ~10 times, haven't had a GPS and don't imagine i'll need it much (though its nice to have)).
Devices with dead pixels are covered by warranty, so that shouldnt be a problem.
And the only other argument you have is video doesnt play smooth, which isnt that good, since i plan on using it a lot, but when i asked here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443245 the guy says that non-AC3 movies from the net play ok and on one review, the reviewer was playing an ep of House on it and it looked OK to me, so i guess it'll do for me.
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
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Actually it is. Played for 30 mins with one at a shop the other day and zoomed out everything was perfectly readable for me (though i'm young and don't use glasses, don't know about old folks (a lady at the Xperia forum returned it for that very reason)) the only thing that bugged me is that you can't click links directly from a zoomed out standpoint, first you have to zoom in, but that's Opera's fault, not Touch HD's. The guys at Opera should fix it
Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can and it haa pretty much the same specs as Touch HD, except for the camera, maybe that's the problem.
Also Nokia N95
iPhone might as well not have a camera

its a nice phone but not the killer device it was hyped up to be, but i hope it will improve god willing when the developers have a go at it.

...Frankly speaking, you should have waited if you had been disappointed by the HTC devices in general. If you don't like to fiddle with your telephone, suffer for improvements, contribute to it and refresh your OS every week - then an HTC is probably not the better choice, many other companies make good telephones and similar sexy toys. The touch HD is, in my opinion, the most innovative personal platform which has appeared in the last years - it just misses Linux which will arrive soon...
i think that HTC telephones are a technology platform to have fun, like PCs 20 years ago.
If you were expecting an "out of the box" apple performances and finished ergonomics there is no need of investigating: i would suggest to cancel your order and buy an I***** (...oops, i cannot even write it....maybe an allergy? )

BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
Since there is a lot of speculation, shouldn't everybody clarify if they heard/read about a problem from internet, or they had/saw the problem themselves?

pzucchel said:
BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
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What speeds do you drive at?

For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.

gogol said:
I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
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Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
gogol said:
I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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In youtube you cant see much, you need to use coreplayer benchmark or so and that have about 80%, that it is 20fps instead 25 on videos, so not smooth video playing
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can do and really great
gogol said:
Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
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yes, same **** that hd touch, very important issue on latest htc's
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X1 ---> Slow performance???
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x1 slow performance? It have better performance, more ram, no video issues.

compared with the touch pro, the touch hd is a big improvment. Battery life seems increadable - with the same use the touvch pro would have died hours ago and i still have 50 % left!1 Gps sensitivity is as good as my old kaiser - the touch pro could never get a lock indoors.
Not sure what htc have done, but its all good.

Coreplayer says 80% so the video playback is bad?
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lol
Ok.
TonyPlayer says 100.5%.

All these reports of crappy video playback are starting to worry me, that's one of the main reasons why i'm buying it...

Why do you use CorePlayer when WM6.1 comes with Windows Media Player ?

kersh said:
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
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Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,

Let's make it clear iGO v8.3.1.57021 corrects the lag ! and many more improvments

pzucchel said:
Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
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Dear pzucchel,
as u mentioned in the second paragraph,would u be kind enough to do some simple test for the gps lag issue.can u drive at a speed of 80 to 100 km/h,when you physically reach a junction or an interchange ,where is the current location(i.e car icon or triangle) of your device showing? if its exactly parallel to the junction or interchange,than there is no lag..the difference between your physical location and your device location is the actual lag.Another simple test is when your car has physically turn into a junction,how long would the device take to show you are now driving on a new road and direction.and if you could be kind enough to specify what navigation program you used for the test..that will be wonderful.
Thanks in advance for your help

I've been looking forward to the touch hd for a bit now, and I still plan to get it. If there is anything i have learnt from these forums is how a lot of problems is software based.
Anyway, one main reason i'm getting it is that chance to have android on it when it gets ported on.

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Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
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It depends on the software you use.
I have tried Garmin XT and iGO 8.3.1 on my HTC Trinity.
The Garmin was always a little bit behind, where iGO was always on spot!
And guess what:
I have tried both on my Touch HD, and have exactly the same findings!

I too like Android OS on the cell phone. I have been trying to tolerate the Sammy i760 I am now using, but the HD and the Omnia 16gb both look good. I also am thinking of the Invidia Tegra 600 series as it WILL play at 30fps. Would this be the "one" to wait for? or is it in something and I don't know due to all the Dr's I have to see and travel too? Thanks, JASTECH
NVIDIA Tegra 650 also features:
• All-day media processing, for 130 hours audio, 30 hours HD video playback
• HD image processing for advanced digital still camera and HD camcorder functions
• Optimized hardware support for Web 2.0 applications for a true desktop-class internet
experience
• Display support for 1080p HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD and CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV-Out
• Direct support for WiFi, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals
Tegra 650
* Processor and Memory Subsystem
o ARM11 MPCore @ 800 MHz
o 16/32-bit LP-DDR
o NAND Flash support
* HD AVP (High Definition Audio Video Processor)
o 1080p H.264 decode
o 720p H.264 encode
o Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
o JPEG encode and decode acceleration
* ULP GeForce
o OpenGL ES 2.0
o Programmable pixel shader
o Programmable vertex and lighting
o Advanced 3D/2D graphics
* Imaging
o Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
o Integrated ISP
o Advanced imaging features
* Display Subsystem
o True dual-display support
o Maximum display resolutions supported:
+ 1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
+ WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
+ SXGA (1280x1024) CRT
+ NTSC/PAL TV output

Browsing experience....

My biggest concern, having followed the video performance thread here, is with the Opera experience. I've been using Opera 9.5 on my trusty Loox N560 (with a WM6 ROM) for a while.
The results on the VGA of this 4(+?) year old device are passable but the lag between a page loading and the screen rendering is quite painful as the page resolves from a series of grey boxes over about 10 seconds.
I want to present web work to clients on the HD and if the Opera experience still suffers like this it could be a problem for me.
Anyone with device in hand care to comment.
Many thanks!

There is still a lag on some large webpages with the grey squares. This does like i said depend on the size of the webpage and also the speed of your connection.
However i find the browsing experience a real treat on the HD.

Mark One said:
My biggest concern, having followed the video performance thread here, is with the Opera experience. I've been using Opera 9.5 on my trusty Loox N560 (with a WM6 ROM) for a while.
The results on the VGA of this 4(+?) year old device are passable but the lag between a page loading and the screen rendering is quite painful as the page resolves from a series of grey boxes over about 10 seconds.
I want to present web work to clients on the HD and if the Opera experience still suffers like this it could be a problem for me.
Anyone with device in hand care to comment.
Many thanks!
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Sorry, can't answer your request but:-
Ahhh the Loox N560.... what a lovely machine.
If you used to frequent FirstLoox you would have known my Father, he was one of the Mods.
Beards

Ahh - yes - beautiful 3.5 inch 640x480 screen, 624Mhz xscale processor, 193MB on board with wifi, BT & GPS. And a 3.5mm jack.
No phone of course, but the specs don't look bad even today. Which is why I've kept it going for so long.
Until the HD - which I thought was the answer to my dreams.
However, yet again it seems HTC have gone and shot a beautiful concept in the foot - I can't believe the video driver is an issue again - time to revive that class action suit?
If it's anywhere as bad as my polaris it's a deal breaker for me.

It's certianly a little laggy, especially with complex or rich websites. No deal breaker as long as you set your expectations.
Remember the HD has a bigger res and a slower CPU than your current phone.

A slower processor than a 3 year old PDA? That's not so great now is it...

Mark One said:
A slower processor than a 3 year old PDA? That's not so great now is it...
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I've still got my Pocket Loox 720 (over 3yrs old) and it still works like a dream.
520 MHz CPU
VGA 640 x 480 pixel resolution
Both CF & SC card slots
3.5" speaker
Wifi
Bluetooth
Surfstar III Compactflash GPS
Excellent for playing movies (especially over my home network in the garden).
These older machines can still fly along and play games like Virtual Pool without even a stutter.
The only thing missing from it is being a phone.
Beards

I guess I should manage my expectations for the HD then. I was expecting it to fly compared to my old loox.
What happened - processors are still roughly on the Moore's Law curve right - so why is HTC going backwards?

Mark One said:
I guess I should manage my expectations for the HD then. I was expecting it to fly compared to my old loox.
What happened - processors are still roughly on the Moore's Law curve right - so why is HTC going backwards?
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Because HTC is using Qualcomm, and your old device has Intel. Qualcomm is newer and more advanced in that it has more things onboard, while with Intel you have to have a few more separate chips. This (and probably some good deal HTC got) should explain why HTC didn't opt for the faster (and less energy consuming) Intel platform, I guess.

Couldn't buy an AT&T / HTC Pure today

Per another thread, I simply walked into my local AT&T store (which was pretty full, seemed to me) and when approached by a sales person, asked if they had the Pure for sale.
Was told that...
1) They aren't selling the Pure until the 4th (aka TOMORROW).
2) They only have about 2 in-stock.
3) They haven't been allowed to turn one on, and have no dummy units or any material I can look at to try and gauge my interest.
In the end, I left pretty disappointed. I mean, if I knew this device was good enough to satify me about the same as an HD2, I'd be happy to be there tomorrow at 9am and pick one up before my Seahawks get KILLED by the Colts. But I really don't know how much better THIS phone is than my Touch Cruise, and therefore I'm pretty disappointed by driving out to find out NOTHING.
Think I'll go play Madden, since the Huskies were getting beat by Notre Dame last I checked...

If you have a Fuze, I'd wait for the next upgrade cycle. The screen isn't that much larger. It's not faster. The build uses the same materials as the Fuze. On the other hand, it is running WM6.5, Build 21849.5.0.63 and the camera has a vastly improved white balance.

I stopped by not realising that the "new" phones were actually in the store this early (silly me) and checked out a working Pure... after putzing around with a Tilt 6.1 for the last couple of years and with this month seening the end of my contract, I was pretty impressed with it -- as far as that goes. Accelerometer seemed to work OK for some things; looked at the box and if I recall it had a 528 MHz processor (as of right now, still can't find any info on it on HTC's website - please someone correct me if I'm wrong), screen seems clearer to me (but of course you must realise I've been used to a Tilt for the last 2 years). The only thing I was unimpressed with (with the limited putzing I was able to do with the live demo model) was the on-screen "full QWERTY" keyboard which was a bit too small for my fingers. I tested in a Word document, tried to swing the phone sideways to see if it would move the document view and the keyboard to a landscape -- it didn't, but it DID do the automatic screen adjust in the Opera Browser which was preinstalled(thank God this model doesn't rely on the old PIE) But though I missed the slide-out keyboard on this unit, and realising that perhaps all phones will eventually go with virtual QWERTYs... I considered this to NOT be a deal-breaker for me tomorrow when they go on sale officially, since there are lots of free and low-cost keyboard apps out there that would make a virtual keyboard big enough to type on with my fat-ol' fingers.
And yes, it is a 6.5 device, I believe the box said 512MB ROM & 284 (at least I think) of RAM... seems pretty roomy for my taste, esp. given my 16GB micro-SD card (which I couldn't find the slot for on this device -- GASP! it better have one!) but then again -- my 10-year-old daughter was tugging at me trying to convince me to buy her one of the Samsung phones as her first phone for her birthday later this month -- so what with all that and one salesman beating my ear whilst the other was on a futile quest for information on this phone on their computer, I didn't get a full stem-to-stern look at the thing... but what I did see... I like.
- BereanPK

i just got one here in NY Staten Island 2 hours ago but they only have 1 which i already bought.

Thanks to all for your replies. Still about an hour and 20 minutes before my local store opens, but as I still haven't held it in my hands, I'm not going to go rushing in for one.
Couple questions for anyone who knows...
1) Resistive vs Capacitive... is this the difference between being able to do multi-touch or not? I'm sure it's more than that, but I'm not clear what the true differences on the Leo screen and this screen are.
2) Video on the Diamond2 - I'm sure it's better than on my Touch Cruise, which is actually good with CorePlayer and properly converted video. But if YouTube does better quality on the Diamond2 that would be nice.
The better camera would be nice, but it's no deal breaker for me. Overall, I'm wondering if the newer opera and higher res screen will make my browsing closer to an iPhone... or if I should just get sucked into an Apple 3GS like most of the world...

merkman said:
Thanks to all for your replies. Still about an hour and 20 minutes before my local store opens, but as I still haven't held it in my hands, I'm not going to go rushing in for one.
Couple questions for anyone who knows...
1) Resistive vs Capacitive... is this the difference between being able to do multi-touch or not? I'm sure it's more than that, but I'm not clear what the true differences on the Leo screen and this screen are.
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Capacitive screens are very sensitve to finger touch, they don't react to styluses (styli?) or finger nails, they're also less precise. Resistive requires pressure to work, so you can use fingernails or a stylus. It's more precise, but no resistive screen on the market supports multi-touch. So no pinch and zoom on Opera.
2) Video on the Diamond2 - I'm sure it's better than on my Touch Cruise, which is actually good with CorePlayer and properly converted video. But if YouTube does better quality on the Diamond2 that would be nice.
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The Pure/TD2 has an MSM7200 processor and chipset. It is essentially the same guts as the Touch Pro/Cruise/Tilt 1/Kaiser, with a higher resolution screen. Performance should be pretty close to identical.
The better camera would be nice, but it's no deal breaker for me. Overall, I'm wondering if the newer opera and higher res screen will make my browsing closer to an iPhone... or if I should just get sucked into an Apple 3GS like most of the world...
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The Opera build included in the stock Pure ROM (17658) is not as fast as Safari, but it does a great job of rendring web pages.

Wouldn't sell without contract
NYC has a lot of the PURE around but no stores are willing to sell only the phone. Well, at least about the 10 that I called/visited said so.

BereanPK said:
Accelerometer seemed to work OK for some things; looked at the box and if I recall it had a 528 MHz processor (as of right now, still can't find any info on it on HTC's website - please someone correct me if I'm wrong)..
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It is 528 MHz.
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz Reference URL
BereanPK said:
The only thing I was unimpressed with (with the limited putzing I was able to do with the live demo model) was the on-screen "full QWERTY" keyboard which was a bit too small for my fingers.
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I'd suggest this then:HTC Touch Pro 2
BereanPK said:
And yes, it is a 6.5 device, I believe the box said 512MB ROM & 284 (at least I think) of RAM... seems pretty roomy for my taste, esp. given my 16GB micro-SD card (which I couldn't find the slot for on this device -- GASP! it better have one!) - BereanPK
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It does, it supports SDHC
Expansion Slot microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible) Reference URL

I have a Fuze and getting getting the crave. I like the bigger screen but I'm not sold on the onscreen keyboard for texting. While I use the onscreen keyboard on my Fuze in Portrait one-handed... the physical keyboard is nice. I like having the keyboard but I hate having the phone feel like a brick.
The sad note is that HTC didn't really upgrade anything over the original Diamond/TouchPro internally. It will still be just as snappy/sluggish as my Fuze. The smaller battery also has me worried.
And how is the microphone? I ask because my Fuze picks up background noise like no other. I'll be in my car with the windows up, relatively quiet... and people say it sounds like a vaccum cleaner. It really sucks. There is no way I could think about upgrading to a phone that has the same problem.

Corporate stores are sellin Pure for $500, which with tax is over $200 than what attwireless is selling. Are there really stupid enough people who buy at such a higher price?