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Opera 8.6, how's it working for you?

I'm wondering what the experience has been for people using Opera 8.6. I installed the free beta version months ago, which is working, and I'm wondering if it is worth it to buy the latest retail version.
Any Opera users care to comment on their experience?

Generally I find this a good browser but there a few problems which I must mention:-
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
2) For large web pages with graphics and annimations vertical scrolling becomes really painful as the page does not scroll smoothly with the vertical bar. This gets really really annoying at times.
3) There is a slight lag between pressing of a link and the browser responding. You tend to press the link repeatedly thinking the browser has not responded and then it hangs. However this is something you soon get used to so not that much of a problem.
4) Quite often it does not load the page fully and gets stuck towards the last bits of the page. This is more so for pages with annimations. The progress bar gets stuck when the page has almost been downloaded and only a small percent is left. You then have to refresh the page and usually the 2nd attempt gets you through the full page.
4) The worst problem for me which has really limited its use is that once you have used this it stops some other programs to start and you have to soft-reset. Typical examples are Netfront, Planmaker and Textmaker. After using Opera and having killed it these programs will often not start without a soft-reset.
As I said at the start it is still a good browser and so I am not mentioning the good things but these are just the glitches which seriously mar the user experience of an otherwise good product. In fact though I have a registered version I find myself using it less and less and prefering Netfront over it simply of some of the annoying bugs I mention.
Regards

I agree with smrz completely, and have suffered from the issues outlined, but I'd like to add:
- Opera 8.6 can't handle some pages very well (I'm thinking of the Yahoo pages where you need to log in). It just doesn't render them in any sort of useable fashion.
Having said this, I still use it as my main browser, and find that in combination with PIE, then I can do pretty much everything I want on the web.
Cheers,
Steve.

are there any differences between the beta version and the retail version?

1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
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Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
Open opera.ini file, go to [User Prefs]. At the end of that paragraph, write that ligne
Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\x with x the folder you choosed for cache on your SD.
For french roms, Storage Card must be replaced by Carte de Stockage
Opera is not perfect, but is largely better than other mobile browers...

Thanks for the input. I'm not sure I will pay for the retail version at this point.
Re: the difference between beta version and latest retail version, I'm sure there are many and would depend on the beta version. Main one that comes to mind is that I understand the retail version has a tabbed browser interface while my old beta version does not.
I wonder if Opera mobile will ever support Java?

opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?

Where do we copy the opera.dll
I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?

;1040241 said:
I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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Here's an idea: how about *paying* for it? I mean, it's only $24 or about 2% the RRP of an HTC Universal. Don't try to kid yourself that circumventing anti-piracy measures is anything other than stealing. If you use a cracked copy, you are a theif.

I agree I always buy software. I have 50+ apps on my IIs and all are paid for you, shouldn't try and steal money from hard working developers who are trying to make a living.

I am finding Opera 8.60 retail to be AWESOME!
In fact, I ditched the JasJar some months ago and have been using a JAM for some time. I only bought a new JJ cos of Opera on VGA. It's rendering most pages such as my online banking (which PIE cocked up completely), it zooms perfectly, and it's just amazing! If WM5 had come out with a decent broser on day one it would have driven operator ARPU's and internet usage. Now I have google with me wherever I go. I kind of had it on my JAM, but not really with that crappy low res screen.
This is a no brainer app and worth every cent!

Piracy
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...

bbaytu said:
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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yust for info...8.6(with the bug correction version 8.6u1) is the last and the only opera for ppc version ever done. Version 9 is for PC...if I'm wrong excuse me and tell me were you find the ver 9 for ppc...
Regards
Massimo

bbaytu said:
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around.
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I'm using Opera on the trial. 30 days is plenty of time to make your mind up. If you don't really use it enough to make up your mind in that time, then don't buy it. If you do, buy it. $24 really is next to nothing for a product. That wouldn't a decent sandwich, cake and a cup of tea!
It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
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They provide a trial for that purpose. If they didn't, I still wouldn't agree. Afterall, I can't try out a holiday before I buy it and if I don't like the terms, I can simple boycott the product.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
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I'd hardly call it stereotyping. Stereotyping is painting a group with a broad brush and, in doing so, encompassing more than rightfully fit the description. However, calling all pirates theives is not stereotyping as all piracy is theft.
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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I know I'm on a very high horse here, but I cannot and will not tolerate piracy. It *does* hurt people (developers, distributers, support staff, everyone in the chain and their families) and they only reason why it's not as widely regarded as wrong is because everyone knows they will more than likely get away with it. Steal Opera is no better than stealing a wallet or an item of jewellery or anything else. It's ALL theft.

I'm using an early beta that does not have the 30 day limit.
Am I stealing?
The reason I posted the question is because I am not averse to paying for a good finished product. It seems craigiecraig4 (if I have the name spelled right) would say that Opera 8.6 is a good finished product.
That is the type of opinion I was soliciting.

I think anyone who has a beta version of software on there device have in a way paid for it because they put there device on the line to test the product.

xda_guy said:
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
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It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.

bonisalive said:
Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
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An English tutorial is at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=916&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Menneisyys said:
It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
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Dude - your articles are GREAT! Going thro many of your past posts now...keep it up!

Gas price App???

In the carputer world (mp3car.com) they have an app the searches for the cheapest gas prices using the internet. It would be really nice to have this app on my Tynt. Does anyone know of a wm verison os this software? If not, can someone create one? This tool would be super useful.

That is a stupid idea. It would have to be updated every 5 minutes. Have you got the time to be typing ingas prices for the whole world every 5 minutes?

The name of the app and a link to it would be appreciated
I guess creating a ppc client for the 'gas-price-database' is not a big problem. The question is, if the original authors would alllow such a port. I presume you must have a subcription to download the gasprice data?
A easier solution would be a webpage tough, since you need to go online anyway to get the latest data...

Here's a webpage that works.
iselfdevi said:
In the carputer world (mp3car.com) they have an app the searches for the cheapest gas prices using the internet. It would be really nice to have this app on my Tynt. Does anyone know of a wm verison os this software? If not, can someone create one? This tool would be super useful.
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http://autos.msn.com/everyday/GasStations.aspx?m=1&l=1&zip=00000&x=11&y=11

There is also an Apple osx widget which provides this information... see here for the link. According to the website, they are pulling their data from "Gas Price Watch" a company which may allow for a PPC app to poll/pull the same data.
The data is out there (at least in the US) and accessible for free to Mac Users .. so no reason it should not be accessible for PPC users too.

So is it doable? With gas prices in the rise again, it would be nice to know where the cheapest gas is. Anyone down to code this one out?

franjoe1985 said:
That is a stupid idea. It would have to be updated every 5 minutes. Have you got the time to be typing ingas prices for the whole world every 5 minutes?
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i dont think you get the idea here. its more like the prices coming to you. its pretty much the same process as the weather plugin the SPB offers.

is anyone going to tackle this very useful idea?

someone did .. for the mobile phone crowd .. see this site

Admittedly, it's not an "app," but... Why not just open your phone's browser, go to GasBuddyToGo.com and enter your zip? Yeah, an app would be cool. But, at least GasBuddyToGo.com gives you a way to do it, until someone comes up with the app...
See ya!

lmao i dont pay for petrol but i guess someone would find this usefull.
this would be better as a constantly updated POI in tomtom or some sort of GPS thing, but cant see it happeneing in the near future

Revue from Smith Micro Software Incredible

Hi!
I have just seen this amazing program.
http://www.smithmicro.com/default.tpl?group=product_full&sku=QLMCWXX
To see photo, video and play music.
Bad news, we have to pay if we want to see it.
I am searching but...no free?
Do you like??
I want it!! free, of course.

$30? LOL
I'll wait until someone on this site codes a clone for free.
Nice stuff though.... but not nice enough to shell out $30.

well, you should brake into a car or someone's house and steal their phones. maybe someone has it on their device....
...so stupid.

E_Shinobi said:
well, you should brake into a car or someone's house and steal their phones. maybe someone has it on their device....
...so stupid.
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It is pretty stupid that they don't offer a free trial download to try it out. I'm definitely not going to pay $30 for something that I don't even know what it's like. No thank you.

frenchglen said:
It is pretty stupid that they don't offer a free trial download to try it out. I'm definitely not going to pay $30 for something that I don't even know what it's like. No thank you.
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Maybe its because they don't want people to rip off their product without paying for it.
WB

i don't know about this "revue software" and the description of what it does is not very clear to me, but i have tested another tool that does the same thing (i suppose. i'm french so my english is not perfect) named trakax on a htc vox and it seemed fairly good for a slow device (200 cpu) and non-tactile.
it should be very cool on a decent pdaphone with good cpu.
go here : http://www.trakax.com/software/mobile/
it costs 30 again, but you have a free demo to test it.

wacky.banana said:
Maybe its because they don't want people to rip off their product without paying for it.
WB
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How are they going to do business that way?...maybe they'll fix it up after requests come in

frenchglen said:
How are they going to do business that way?...maybe they'll fix it up after requests come in
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I agree, it may be difficult, but when you see someone asking for a copy of a retail piece of software on here, insisting they have it for free, (as if that's a right), then find a near identical request on a warez site asking for the crack for the same software, its not difficult to see where that activity would lead to if we all took that stance.
WB

I don't have a problem paying for the apps that we use on our devices and i'm willing to pay a whole helluva' lot more but we should @ least have the trial option to see if it's worth it or even if its compatible with our devices. Most developers give you that trial because they stand by their product and they know it'll sell itself once the word gets out, so maybe them not giving a trial offer says something about their product. Just my opinion.

I've done trials of and loved:
Resco Exlorer
Memmaid
AEButton
Ultimate Launcher
Vito Screen Capture
Phone Weaver
...And paid for:
Resco
Memaid
AEButton
UL
Vito
Phone Weaver
It wouldn't even occur to me to use a cracked copy. Weird since I've used warez for some windows PC software, but being on a forum like this you see how the programmers are good people, just like me (only smarter) and it puts a face to the theft and I wouldn't consider doing it. Now I don't do cracked stuff for PC software either. I guess its part of growing up.
Anyway, I think there are a lot of ppl like me that if they like a trial they will be HAPPY to buy it.

I have just found this video!
Hi
I found a video of Revue.
It seems to be fantastic even with an application to manage the files with the PC!
http://my.smithmicro.com/wireless/revue/Revue324_121807_OffLn.wmv
I want to test this program for my HTC Touch, but I can´t download it from anywhere.
Anyone has this program?
Can you tell me if it is fast and useful?
Anyone knows where can I download Revue?
Thank YOU ALL

I just took a quick glance at the site you listed and looks like something I used to use on my Palm, I think you can use this for free, don't completely remember, but know I never paid for it. I remember now, you have to keep your pc online and you can access it for free, think that was the deal, and you had to pay to store your files online to access them while your pc was offline.
Anyway to the point its Avvenu, check it out.
Log Me In may be the same.

Caragato!!
Please NOT SPAM HERE!!!

So is this basically streaming media from your computer but with lots of organization options?
How is it not like Orb?

It is a finger friendly software just like iphone to see media on our pocketpc.

[REQ] / [QUE] Spotify for Windows Mobile

Hi guys!
Ive been hearing and reading stuff about spotify for mobile phones being developed.
Some sources say they only plan to launch apps for android, iphone and symbian's. Whle others include WinMo.
Would this be a possible software that can be created? If i could get this on my TP2 it would be incredible.
Any of guys have any info other than this?
www.spotify.com

AFAIK, they were advertising for a WM developer to work for them, but since about a month ago it disappeared and I've heard nothing since.
I would love this app, but I suspect that the best you can expect is either a "wi-fi only" version (like iplayer is, ie. not available over 3G/HSDPA) or a version that it is only available to premium members (such as what is rumoured to be being given the once over by Apple, £9.99 a month, so to not compete too much with iTunes on their devices)

Yeah
That wont matter though, im allready a premium member. The whole idea is genius and 9.99 is nothing anyways.
But id still like them on my phone. could just bring my TP2 when im atfriends and plug it into the amplifier.

nobody up for the challange?

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nobody up for the challange?
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not sure if i'm up to it but i'm going to give it a try to see if it will work...
i will try to create a .Net app for windows mobile that uses despotify/jotify as an example.
now i only need some spare time
any .Net developers out here who would like to help me?
http://despotify.se/ http://jotify.felixbruns.de/

matmaneyre said:
I would love this app, but I suspect that the best you can expect is either a "wi-fi only" version (like iplayer is, ie. not available over 3G/HSDPA)
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hope you are wrong on that one, especially as some of us in the uk get 7.2mbps hsdpa & soon to be 14.4mbps. Hell 7.2mbps is faster than most bt broadband customers get.

pieteckhart said:
not sure if i'm up to it but i'm going to give it a try to see if it will work...
i will try to create a .Net app for windows mobile that uses despotify/jotify as an example.
now i only need some spare time
any .Net developers out here who would like to help me?
http://despotify.se/ http://jotify.felixbruns.de/
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I'd be happy to help if you're still working on this.

I have been working on a Windows Mobile Spotify client called mySpot.
The first alpha version is complete and I have uploaded it to the forum today.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580208
-Fry

[Q] What to use now that skyfire is gone?

Hello, now that we cant use Skyfire for Flash purposes, what are our options?

? Gone like how?

ashasaur said:
? Gone like how?
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Last week when you try to connect you get an error saying "due to high demand the service is unavailable" or something like that. The problem is they released it for iPhone last week and had to pull it from the market because they took all the bandwidth of their servers.

Yeah I am seeing that now. I wonder if it's actually down for good, or just because of the iTard crap. I'm sure that the people at Skyfire would have said something if they where killing off the platform that started their company.

The Skyfire app for the Iphone costs about $3, whereas the one for Windows Mobile is free. My guess is the Iphone users get the priority on the servers. There is no incentive for them to turn it back on for WM users, unless they start charging for the app.

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The Skyfire app for the Iphone costs about $3, whereas the one for Windows Mobile is free. My guess is the Iphone users get the priority on the servers. There is no incentive for them to turn it back on for WM users, unless they start charging for the app.
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I haddent even thought of that! I was hoping the servers were just overloaded. I looked on their blogs and they mention it hoping to get up sometime soon. I hope they don't shut out WM. I would pay a couple of bucks if it ment I could get it to work.

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I haddent even thought of that! I was hoping the servers were just overloaded. I looked on their blogs and they mention it hoping to get up sometime soon. I hope they don't shut out WM. I would pay a couple of bucks if it ment I could get it to work.
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But it's just too much work to keep supporting it on WM, even if they charge for it, the reason is that there just isn't a huge market on WM, most people have moved onto Android and iPhone.

is there anything else to use as a replacement? something else with flash?

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is there anything else to use as a replacement? something else with flash?
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Uzard, I think.
Perhaps Bolt, but that has to work inside a Java JVM.

I was hoping that there was something else that would allow me to play the various games on facebook (silly I know)
I just tried uZard and it wont load the games.
thanks for the input guys!

I still do not think that Skyfire is permanently down, I think it's because of all the iTards rapeing their servers downloading it to fix what Apple won't. Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning, so I really doubt that they would just up and quit without an explanation. I am one of the original Skyfire users, and back in the day you had to sign up for the service(albeit free) via SMS, and they still send me a text every now and then with a state of the network kinda thing...

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...Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning...
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How did they make money if they did not charge for the Skyfire app on the WM platform?

Back in the day, Skyfire for WM was ad supported.

Doesn't Opera Beta 10 or Opera 10 work with flash? Been using it since I saw it come out and abandoned Skyfire cuz it worked so well.

jammer5150 said:
Doesn't Opera Beta 10 or Opera 10 work with flash? Been using it since I saw it come out and abandoned Skyfire cuz it worked so well.
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I thought IE on the phone had flash support? I don't do a lot of web browsing on my phone though, so I haven't really tested it. I know Youtube videos work.

go here and let them have it! http://getsatisfaction.com/skyfire/topics/skyfire_is_down_for_wm_users

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I still do not think that Skyfire is permanently down, I think it's because of all the iTards rapeing their servers downloading it to fix what Apple won't. Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning, so I really doubt that they would just up and quit without an explanation. I am one of the original Skyfire users, and back in the day you had to sign up for the service(albeit free) via SMS, and they still send me a text every now and then with a state of the network kinda thing...
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yes! i remember!
it was so annoying having to sign in everytime!!

uzard takes a little getting used to, but i like it better than skyfire. and it screen rotates . taking no credit for this, just passing along the cab .

UZARD , is a great browser, but i can only get it to work when installed on my card