WM5 vs. WM6 for 8525? - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

I read that there's lots of tweaks for WM5 for the 8525, but then I seen mention of a WM6 available, too. I presume it's a free upgrade on the AT&T website, or elsewhere online.
Now for the questions. Which OS works best for this device? Do the tweaks made for WM5 work with WM6 as well? Should I upgrade to WM6, or stay with WM5? For the GPS (maps), does it work with both or just one of the options?
Now for other (off-topic) experiences I have with my new [reconditioned] device.
a) After inserting my SIM card, about an half hour later, I attempted to call an 800 number (to activate a new bank debit card), which it didn't fully connect the call, although the call timer was running. It wouldn't let me end the attempted call, either, so I removed the battery and reinserted it.
b) Exploring the device further, I noticed that some menus didn't close when I tap the "red X" in the corner. I even tried to expand (pull out the keyboard on) the device, but it shows the "red X" of the location from portrait. as well as from the landscape! For example, it wouldn't close the "selecting which size to send photos" option screen. After waiting about a minute, I had to remove the battery to get rid of those screens, which is a major pain to keep removing the battery!
c) Later on, the last phone call that I made wouldn't hang up (end call) -- I even tapped 'End Call' about 5 times, not to mention pressed the red phone icon on the main navigation keys about 3 times. I haven't used the device since, except to place my old Samsung Sync's memory card with pictures, songs, and videos inside it.
The device seems very slow to close/end programs, and I've just received it yesterday! [I have not hacked, tweaked, or done anything else to it, either; I've only set the time, date, and owner's info.] Is this normal for the 8525? Would installing the WM5 tweaks [HTweakC 2.1b] -- or updating to WM6 -- increase the device's response time and overall performance? Or do I have a still faulty, reconditioned 8525?
Sorry for the long questions, I just wanted to give background into the device. Thanks in advance for all help in this matter!

You seem to be way behind as you use WM5. First thing you do after reading this: UPGRADE TO WM6.1
Most tweaks of WM5 will ofcourse work on WM6. WM6 is faster and much much better.
Do you know about soft-reset? No need to take out the battery! Just soft-reset.
And most of your problems of hang-ing can be solved by newer version of Windows Mobile! WM6.1
In case if your new to upgrading, you may read my small guide. If your completely new to Pocket PC, this might help you too. Also, consider using a free taskmanager such as wkTaskMan to close applications completely.
Regards,
Carty..

Carty, thanks for the quick reply!
As a brief background, for about the past 6 months, I was infatuated with the HTC Tilt [8925], because of the built-in GPS, Wi-Fi, 3-MP camera, & media player. Later, from reading other opinions on the 8525 on this board and discovering that it was compatible with GPS services, I decided to "sacrifice" the 3-MP camera, as the 8525 was about $100 cheaper on eBay.
I am pretty new to the Pocket PC, as my cellular device; I have used computers since 1996, though. That being said, it's not even been 24 hours since I've tinkered with the 8525 (as the eBay one never worked at all). I take it that the 8525 is an older device, as I've seen posts dating back to 2006. I just bought one on eBay 2 weeks ago, and had it replaced at an AT&T repair/replace shop yesterday.
I see the reset button on the bottom of the device; I just didn't know when to use it. I presumed it could only be used if the device wouldn't turn on at all. [As you can tell, I'm overly cautious with my new cellular equipment.] Also, I read about the "hard reset" -- holding down the 2 option buttons on the front and then the reset on the bottom of the device; however, I didn't know when to use the hard reset, either.
I will read your tutorials, then will install WM6 ASAP. Then, I will return with my findings. Wish me luck!!

Now I'm having issues with the update of WM6! The device stalls at 11%, then the software returns with the following:
"ERROR [262]: UPDATE ERROR
The ROM Update Utility has encountered communication errors during the update process. The program will guide you step-by-step to recover from the errors so you can continue with the update."
I tried the [Recovery] button 2 more times, following the screens to the letter, but with the same result . . . the software stalls at 11%.
Any ideas? This is very frustrating!!

Man, I finally got it to install WM6! I had to literally remove every single program that was running under my "name" with the XP-MC OS. I even had to "Ctrl+Alt+Delete" the Explorer program and then "open" it (via Task Manager) again! [I didn't restart Windows, though.]
So far, it's back to the align screen, so I'll hope all goes well from there! Be back with more later!

I've made one phone call so far, and it actually did the end call promptly! Thank goodness for small favors! I thought having to do the "flash" about 6 times would have fried the device!
Now that I have the WM6, how do I install the tweaks? Do I copy them to a memory card, to the cell ROM, or something else? I already downloaded "HTweakC 2.1b" but haven't done anything with it yet. What would be my next step to correctly hack the WM6 8525 that I have now? I am a novice at hacking, so talk in layman's terms and please bear with me!

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Please help - O2 XDA EXEC

Help me please!! The 'Phone Pad' input method will not work for my xda exec. When selecting it, it stays on keyboard method (or reverts to it if it was on, say, transcriber or block recognizer mothod) Does anyone else have the same problem? My hunch is that it's a bug which will affect some but not all, depending on the ROM version you are running. Could anyone who owns one do a quick test and let me know. I tried both soft and hard reset, no solution with either. Thanks.
Just tried it...wouldn't change to phonepad as well. But after a soft reset, it worked.
its a bug,
workaround , if all else fails soft reset.
change to portrait.
select a different keyboard option not phone one. exit app. goto app and now try - it works 6/10.
I have the same problem...
Don't want to go off on a rant here, but I have pretty strong feelings about a device that gets released with such an obvious bug with such a key piece of functionality. I'm pretty sure it's a memory issue - with a fresh personal install (i.e. with O2 active running - O2's recommended install), the phonepad works until I soft-reset the device ONCE. Then it fails to open and I can't get the work-around to work. I can reproduce this again and again.
Are there others, or is it just me who gets offended when I get charged money for something that is so obviously broken?
@daveb1976, I'm with you on this. I suspect I paid even more as I have a JJ and they are more expensive than the O2 Execs. Having used Nokia, SE and Palm devices I've got a good idea of what one should expect of new devices and I have to say the JJ reminds of the SE P800 - this was an innovative and high profile product three years ago but it was not complete in many areas (but most s/w issues were fixed after about 6 months)
Yup. I appreciate that it's a new device, and I do expect that there will be kinks. But one of 5 input methods simply not working is not a "kink". Besides, unless I'm wrong this is part of WM2005 which is version FIVE of the OS. Oh well, I bought one, so I guess I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to putting up with MS's rediculously low quality standards.
The workaround worked once but now I can't get it to work again. I've also noticed another strange bug. Try this....When downloading a couple of new today page themes (from the microsoft pocket pc site) and copying them into my windows folder, I was pleased to see they were available when I went to settings/today menu. However, choose any of them and the things slows up ridiculously, fails to display any contacts at all and won't select task manager (I was going there to try and shut some things down because of the speed problem).
Only a soft reset will bring things back to normal. I agree with the posts by daveb and jah, it's not acceptable to charge top notch prices for new contracts and upgrades (I was the latter incidentally, at a cool £229.99 to upgrade)
Anyway, I'm not prepared to live with it for that price so I'm calling them now. I'm on 8 days since I received it but the 14 day thing is irrelevant if the goods aren't working right? What do you guys think?
I'm looking for a hefty credit to my account to offset the upgrade price or a different handset and my 229.99 back. It's a shame as I love the 3G and wireless capabilities but it may be a case of releasing it a few months too soon, for O2 at least. They have probably been concentrating their efforts on yesterdays takeover!
Anyway, I'll post back with my result.
I got the same problem,
Beside, I can't change today backgronf theme in this Exec.
Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?
Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?

Rebuilt Wizard - now worse than before!

I desparately need help! I finally got fed up missing calls because my MDA Vario wasn't ringing or because it crashed when I tried to answer. I've had a problem for a while, in that after a day or two it will mysteriously stop making any noises. No menu clicks, no voice directions in TomTom, no notification sounds and worst of all, no ringing when a call comes in. The only fixes are to reboot or to go into Sounds & Notifications in Settings, go to the Notifications tab and then change the volume up or down! It's then fine for another day or two.
I finally got fed up and did a hard reset last week, put my data back on through ActiveSync and then reinstalled the following:
Opera
TomTom 5.21
Total Commander
SmartsKey
Omapclock
I set SmartsKey to overclock to 240mhz and used Total Commander to edit the registry and switch on caps indicator, enable the various caches as suggested in in the wiki, and to set GPRS to always on (as I'm on unlimited data). No other changes, no other software. I did install the trial of SPB Mobile Shell, but then removed it because I didn't like it. I'm on the standard T-Mobile firmware, ROM 2.21.2.6 WWE and I've not unlocked it at all.
The phone worked like a dream for a week or so after the hard reset, but now it's started doing the same thing with the sounds again! Furthermore, if I'm using TomTom it doesn't override the power save settings - so it turns off the backlight after 2 minutes and then turns off the phone after 5! It didn't do this before!
PLEASE can anyone help before I throw the thing out of the window and buy a Symbian smartphone!?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
Can nobody help?
Nobody have any ideas? Am I really the only one with this problem!?
Tim
What rom r u using,
that could be the problem.
tell me the rom, radio version
tj80 said:
I desparately need help! I finally got fed up missing calls because my MDA Vario wasn't ringing or because it crashed when I tried to answer. I've had a problem for a while, in that after a day or two it will mysteriously stop making any noises. No menu clicks, no voice directions in TomTom, no notification sounds and worst of all, no ringing when a call comes in. The only fixes are to reboot or to go into Sounds & Notifications in Settings, go to the Notifications tab and then change the volume up or down! It's then fine for another day or two.
I finally got fed up and did a hard reset last week, put my data back on through ActiveSync and then reinstalled the following:
Opera
TomTom 5.21
Total Commander
SmartsKey
Omapclock
I set SmartsKey to overclock to 240mhz and used Total Commander to edit the registry and switch on caps indicator, enable the various caches as suggested in in the wiki, and to set GPRS to always on (as I'm on unlimited data). No other changes, no other software. I did install the trial of SPB Mobile Shell, but then removed it because I didn't like it. I'm on the standard T-Mobile firmware, ROM 2.21.2.6 WWE and I've not unlocked it at all.
The phone worked like a dream for a week or so after the hard reset, but now it's started doing the same thing with the sounds again! Furthermore, if I'm using TomTom it doesn't override the power save settings - so it turns off the backlight after 2 minutes and then turns off the phone after 5! It didn't do this before!
PLEASE can anyone help before I throw the thing out of the window and buy a Symbian smartphone!?
Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Did you thik it maybe hardware not software!!!! Maybe your phones has a fault that comes and goes. I would take it into the shop to see if has a fault!
Can I suggest that you start with the basics. Do a hard reset but reset it before the extended ROM can install. (If you don't have a stock operator ROM installed nows a good time to do it). Don't install any software at all. It might sound a bit boring but it is important to establish if you have a hard ware or software fault.
Now run the fone for a few days and see if the problem returns. If it doesn't start to add your apps one at a time until you find which is the culprit. If it fails to work with the basic stock ROM you most likely have a hardward problem.
Going for repair
Thanks for the replies, all. As the phone is a year old in June and will therefore be out of warranty I spent 45 minutes this lunchtime on the phone to T-Mobile to get it sent for repair! They were fine about it, just deeply inefficient. Anyway, a prepaid bag is on it's way for me to send back. Any ideas if they will try to repair or just swap it out with another one? I imagine a fault like this which might be software or hardware and which only manifests itself after a few days will be more trouble to fix than it's worth? Anyone had any experience of getting one repaired?
Thanks again,
Tim
yeah, I had been p[laying about with roms for a few weeks and after what I think may be water damage or a drunken drop, my screen stopped working.
Take into account it was christmas time but still I received a brand new phone but had the old battery cover haha. They replaced the stylus too. My old phone was battered and screen was scratched so I was totally happy with the 3 week wait.
No questions asked although I did return my rom to exactly the one it came with, i was unable to re cid lock it.
Overall give T-mob time and it seems they replace phones ok
i did take mine into a t-mobile shop so don't know if that makes a difference (time etc) and was not covered by t-mobile insurance but my bank account has free phone insurance as back up
Hope that was of some help
Paps

Newbie with some questions!

Hi y'all,
since a few days I'm the owner of a Qtek S100. The previous owner bought it a year and a half ago and has never updated anything on it.
The ROM is version1.06. (Radio is version 1.05). I've tried to register on qtek.nl to get the latest updates but you have to enter an IMEI-nr during the registration and since my device is from Belgium as is my IMEI, I can't register!
I see that there are different kinds of ROMs circulating so my question is; Which one do I need/ is the best?
Should I install rom and radio apart or does rom contain also radio?
I've heared about a special rom-pack that also has the big storage hack in it. What about this?
Do I also have to install the camera patch? Where can I find it?
I've also heared about a A2DP bluetooth patch..
The sticky about upgrading is kinda outdated and didn't help me much..
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Aside from this I have some other problems I've encountered. I don't know if they'll be fixed after I update the ROM but here they are;
- how do I lock the buttons/screen? The only thing that seems to work but isn't very convenient is to enable a the password in the settings and check the box next to "prompt if device is unused 1 minute". No plain button/screen lock?
- If the device is on stand-by I don't get any notification that I've received an sms. Only when I disable the stand-by by pushing the power button then I get it. But this could be like half an hour after I've received a message.
- if someone calls me and I end the call, how can I save his/her number to my phonebook?
- If I take of the batterycover the device shuts down. Is this supposed to happen?
-How do you completely shut the device down? If I press and hold the powerbutton (like described in the manual) the backlight dims, if I press it shortly it goes on stand-by.. but how do I turn the device of (without taking of the battery-cover..)
- Is it normal that when my battery is low (10-15%) the bluetooth doesn't work?
- Which 4GB SD-cards are known to work 100% with the Qtek S100?
- I've noticed that the battery is kinda weak/worn out? Where can I find a replacement with a higher capacity?
Maybe I should also say that this is the first time I work with Windows Mobile so don't be too harsh on me
Thanks for helping out!
Anyone?
debilio said:
Hi y'all,
I see that there are different kinds of ROMs circulating so my question is; Which one do I need/ is the best?
Should I install rom and radio apart or does rom contain also radio?
Do I also have to install the camera patch? Where can I find it?
I've also heared about a A2DP bluetooth patch..
- how do I lock the buttons/screen? The only thing that seems to work but isn't very convenient is to enable a the password in the settings and check the box next to "prompt if device is unused 1 minute". No plain button/screen lock?
- If the device is on stand-by I don't get any notification that I've received an sms. Only when I disable the stand-by by pushing the power button then I get it. But this could be like half an hour after I've received a message.
- if someone calls me and I end the call, how can I save his/her number to my phonebook?
-How do you completely shut the device down? If I press and hold the powerbutton (like described in the manual) the backlight dims, if I press it shortly it goes on stand-by.. but how do I turn the device of (without taking of the battery-cover..)
- Is it normal that when my battery is low (10-15%) the bluetooth doesn't work?
- Which 4GB SD-cards are known to work 100% with the Qtek S100?
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Okay, I'll make a start with what I know off the top of my head but would recommend a bit of reading here and on MoDaCo.com as all the answers not too difficult to find.
I'm using iMate 1.12 ROM which is the best from that source. I've not tried any other operator/manufacturer versions so can't comment. The radio version will be included and the camera patch is not needed with the latest updates. A2DP patch is here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=249219
I recommend pocketMax's screenGuard and phoneAlarm for locking & notifications respectively :
http://www.pocketmax.net/index.html
With the Dialpad on the screen, go to Call History. Press and hold on the number you want to save, first option is Save To Contacts.
Pocket PCs until very recently were designed to never be completely shut down. This is why we have a backup battery. Make sure that you pull the little rubber lug away from the battery before you remove it as you can initiate a hard reset otherwise. This is in the manual.
Bluetooth can be a battery-drainer so I'm not surprised it won't work with that level of juice. I'd try and avoid letting the battery level get that low if possible as the backup only lasts for about 20 minutes. After that you will lose all your data etc.
I use a MobyMemory own-brand 4GB mini-SD in an adaptor. I have had a couple of problems with it but generally it works fine. Today screen plugins installed on the card can be slow to load.
http://www.mobymemory.com/
I'm sure other members here will correct me if there are better answers and fill in the gaps otherwise.
please do search and few readings on this forum... and hmmm i saw some anwers that actually u can get from your xda manual book
happy reading...

Hey

Hi guys i wasnt quite sure where to put this thread but finnaly decided this forum was fine. I am sorta a newbie but have been reading loads. I think this website is awesome and i will probably donate!! Anyways i have been having a problem with my phone . It is a T mobile MDA Vario Uk IPL 1.06 and SPL 1.06 and WM5, OS 5.1.70 (if that matters)it died, i went to the tmobile shop they sent it to thier place but it came back unfixed. Anyway to make a long story short i turned out to be the charger but now a week back i have got it up and running again!! But when it freezes as it does everynow and then i have no choice but to take the battery out. When i turn it back on the date and time has gone back to November 2005! It does not do this when i turn it off by holding down the power switch. It also loses some tasks i have made . But wierdly not all the tasks. For example i had 4 tasks i took the battery out , when i restarted it the date went back to 2005 and only 1 task remained!. Is there some other way to put it of that i dont know about when it is frozen? Or am i just doomed to keep changing the date!
Thnak you very much for your replies and your time in advance.
Are you trying to soft reset the phone first? Are you trying to turn the phone all the way off? Removing the battery should be a last resort approach.
Here's the deal...
You can stave off a lot of these kind of memory/freezing problems in the future by loading some kind of RAM indicator (QuickMenu has a built-in one, can manage running programs, and gives you a Windows desktop-style start menu for programs instead of the dumb folder avalanche) to let you know you have too many programs running, and you need to do a soft reset every once in a while, or at least hibernate it periodically (you can do this from QuickMenu), just to jog it clean. It would also be wise for you to load a temporary file cleaner to clear out your temp files every once in a while...you'd be shocked how much crap piles up under the OS when you're not looking.
Lastly, since you might end up really losing some important data, I'd recommend getting DotFred's PIM backup tool and loading it on an SD card in your phone, and configure it to back up your phone regularly (like once a day at 2 am, for example). As long as the phone's left on, it'll do that for you, and if your phone really craps the bed, at least you'll have your contacts, meetings, and other info safe and sound.
Also, in the future, please add the info on your phone to your sig, so you don't have to repeat yourself 8,000 times, and you might want to try more descriptive titles for your topics than "Hey," unless you like being ignored...
Thank you Myrddin Wyllt but what did you mean by hibernating it ? do you mean just pushing the on/off button quickly so the screen goes of? oh yeah and thank you for all the advice on this forum i shal procede to do that now! Thnak you again
Yep i have done that now
upgrade your OS to at least WM6.
When I got my phone it had WM5 on it, and it used to lock up or spontaneously soft reset at least once a day, even though I soft reset it regularly. Since I upgraded to WM6 I no longer have these lockup problems.
thank you i was thinking about upgrading but wasnt sure! About the battery thing i just found out about the little hole on the side. I think this solves the problem . But about upgrading will it make my phone slower or take up precious memory or something? And the big question which one?? Also some apps i would like to have require .net framework 2.0. I tried installing it on my phone on the storage card , i had about 50mb free but it still said there is not enough space and told me to clear up space and start again! will upgrading my rom also solve this problem? Is WM6 just like WM5 what are the differences i am a beit of a newbie here! You might have to treat me like a child on this one!
Also i was wondering out of the 47.4mb internal memory of the MDA Vario how much is used by the system and how much crap have i got on? Also if i use "clear storage" then will it also get rid of programs i have installed on my memory card and i have unlocked my phone. Will it re-lock it and return the old crappy t-mobile themes?? (i have spb moble shell atm)
Thank you in advance!

Radio firmware faling off after reboot on BA

got my BA flashed with WM6.0(russian firmware)...VERY stable version...but!
if i pull off battery on_the_fly, or got battery discharged then on next boot i got first two lines "R: none G: none"
the only help is reset-button. after that it boots ok with (R: 1.15....etc)
how to get rid of that minor bug?
there is no way of getting rid of that bug, it is like the 4 colour screen. it comes with every rom here, so for soft-resetting use the proper soft-reset istead of pulling the battery off. since there is no proper airplane mode in most of these roms and the phone keeps re-enabling itself, you can use that "feature" to have the ppc working without phone functuality
hm...no good(
that means that everybody got this stuff(WM6.0) not working _properly_?
well, actually it is working properly, i used to wonder about that too, but there's no point in complaining. it is just a given fact and you have to learn to live with it. little things like that are, despite the fact that the BA is huge and doesn't have much battery power, reasons, why people go off and buy new devices. also there are minor bugs in wlan and bluetooth that come with every rom here. that's the way it is, and that's the price you have to pay for upgrading your phone instead of buying a new one and i for one think, that's a rather low price
to get back to the point: as i use sun_dream's finger-friendly build 20758 and have lost my stylus about a year ago, for soft-resetting i also don't use the stylus hole, but use the today screen icon that comes with xcpuscalar, which of course wouldn't work, when the device freezes, but then i simply take out the battery, start over, and when the device is ready i soft-reset from the icon. it is not the ideal way, as by that you somehow delete your wlan settings as well, but still i'm happy, my precious old BA still is up to date
soft reset
every rom after WM5 in BLUE ANGEL needs soft reset after u see this case,then works normally.thnx.
most times, u will need to do a soft-reset at the 1st cold boot (replace battery and so on). as Chef_Tony mentioned, we all just have to remeber do that.

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