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My 2 hard drives were killed by my ameo.
1 week ago when I just my laptop, I put my ameo(with the keyboard pad) right to the touch pad, and then the laptop crashes and the partitions of the HD can never be recognized...
I was not sure whether it crashed itself or effected by the ameo, but...
1 day after that, i just put my ameo onto another external 2.5" HD, and the same thing happened...
so I can confirm that ameo kills HDs
the 2 HDs can only make sound like "click" now.
I shipped them to seagate recovery service to recover the data, coz the data within them is very important to me, and seagate gave me a quote price of $3000+ (US DOLLARS) as they are physically damaged. I didn't accept the price and got the HDs back without recovery.
I dont know if anyone has had the same disaster,
but I just want to say, it really upset me. coz the data there is really important to me..
The Ameo has a magnet in it... congratulations for finding out that Hard Drives rely on magnetism.
Well, theoritically that, putting your phone on top of a hardisk can potentially .. make it cranky, that is, it may gives you error message or a bluescreen. Consider that putting your phone next to a speaker will make it gives out the 'sound' when there's a phone call coming in, similiar thing may happen on a harddrive magnetic portion that swing the head in and out. HOWEVER, getting it 'destroyed' just seems unlikely (especially physically), especially a good drive should have a things that avoid magnetic interference. Get another hardisk, under warranty and try again? without real data.
Try Active Partition Recovery Enterprise. I accidentally deleted (unmounted, wiped the MBR, etc.) one of my notebook USB harddrives when installing Windows.
I used this software and found all my files which I then pulled off.
But if the magnet like "reprogrammed" the disks dont know what files you will find.
Wizarc said:
Try Active Partition Recovery Enterprise. I accidentally deleted (unmounted, wiped the MBR, etc.) one of my notebook USB harddrives when installing Windows.
I used this software and found all my files which I then pulled off.
But if the magnet like "reprogrammed" the disks dont know what files you will find.
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The best way to destroy data... is to put a hd in between two strong magnets...
its no surprise that your HD died... the athena has a relatively strong magnet holding it in place...
the first time i put it ontop of my computer (cd rom poriton) it got stuck since then i never put it on as magnets + comptuers = bad...
and your suggestion partition recovery works if its not physcly damaged
but the drive is physcally damaged so data is expensive to recover...
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Well, theoritically that, putting your phone on top of a hardisk can potentially .. make it cranky, that is, it may gives you error message or a bluescreen. Consider that putting your phone next to a speaker will make it gives out the 'sound' when there's a phone call coming in, similiar thing may happen on a harddrive magnetic portion that swing the head in and out. HOWEVER, getting it 'destroyed' just seems unlikely (especially physically), especially a good drive should have a things that avoid magnetic interference. Get another hardisk, under warranty and try again? without real data.
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to make the hard-drive do that, clearly it's affecting the magnetic field of the platters, that's not something that can be fixed in terms of data recovery.
However, I'm sure that running a full wipe over the entire platter with a low-level disk formatter will bring them back to usability
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to make the hard-drive do that, clearly it's affecting the magnetic field of the platters, that's not something that can be fixed in terms of data recovery.
However, I'm sure that running a full wipe over the entire platter with a low-level disk formatter will bring them back to usability
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when plugged in, they just "click" and shown as unrecognizable disks in disk manage software...I mean, I can not do any operation on the disk now..
I dont know if the level of ameo's magnet can effect the data on the disks...anyway, I will try to find a data recovery company which can offer a lower quote price...
Maybe backup your data if you do get it back? External hard drives are dirt cheap these days - a lot cheaper that $3000...
Isn't hindsite wonderful?
Good luck.
coolish said:
when plugged in, they just "click" and shown as unrecognizable disks in disk manage software...I mean, I can not do any operation on the disk now..
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Hmm.. I didn't know the phone has such a strong magnet. The Wizard has a magnet, but one can hardly notice it (the carrying pouch's magnet is much stronger).
Anyway, from what I can think of, the damage may be caused by the strong magnet magnetise parts of the Hdd's head which causes the 'swing arm' to malfunction (as it uses magnetic field to perform its job). You want to try a de-magnetiser? They used to sell this for old CRT where, if you keep (say) a speaker next to a TV, the magnetic field of the speaker will magnetise the CRT's screen, effecting how electrons striking it, hence discolouring the particular section. It works by 'shooting' a rotating magnetic field to it, neutralizing it. However, using this may potentially destroy your data too.
So putting your Ameo next to your notebook can fry its harddrive.
This is something like 3-6in depending on placement, and what about all the metal and plastic the Magnetic field has to go thru to reach the HD platters.
Granted the Ameo has a strong Mag. but Unless your placing it directly on the HD cover, I don't think it can just reach out and thru the NB material and zap your HD. After all the ameo itself has a Microdrive not more than 1-2in away from the built-in mag. and you haven't heard people claiming that it wiped out the Microdrive do you...
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So putting your Ameo next to your notebook can fry its harddrive.
This is something like 3-6in depending on placement, and what about all the metal and plastic the Magnetic field has to go thru to reach the HD platters.
Granted the Ameo has a strong Mag. but Unless your placing it directly on the HD cover, I don't think it can just reach out and thru the NB material and zap your HD. After all the ameo itself has a Microdrive not more than 1-2in away from the built-in mag. and you haven't heard people claiming that it wiped out the Microdrive do you...
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dumb sh*t, the microdrive is flash memory.
Midget_1990 said:
dumb sh*t, the microdrive is flash memory.
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Dumb sh*t, the microdrive is a micro DRIVE.
Pantaloonie said:
Dumb sh*t, the microdrive is a micro DRIVE.
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so one would draw the logical conclusion that the microdrive is not exposed to the field of the magnet or that it is proofed against it.
I can tell you that the hard drive in a laptop could very easily be affected by the magnet in the Athena.
and to coolio: go download a program called DBAN; it creates a bootdisk to perform a full-on low-level format of any hard-drive, with any luck it'll bring it back to life.
I killed my HDD doing this. I think the magnetism bent the heads and caused them to crash. Now, I try to keep the lappy seperate from the Ameo as much as possible.
I think the advice here is
Heed the magnetizm warning printing on the Ameo
One aside though is that it doesn't seem to affect the microdrive!
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dumb sh*t, the microdrive is flash memory.
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Midget - I've stood up for you in the past (that bloody stupid issue in the Universal forum caused by a bunch of self-righteous gits) so please take this as a neutral comment from a peacemaker.
This sort of comment is not helpful.
Also, the Microdrive is indeed a Microdrive on some variants - there is a suggestion that other variants have flash memory due to the problem of drive heads crashing.
htc recalled all units to replace the mechanical hard drives with flash memory BEFORE they shipped (thats why it was delayed).
unless you got hold of one before they shipped and didnt have it recalled yours will be a flash memory drive.
Is there a part number for this "flash memory micro drive" ? I think i have one that has a hdd in it that spins because i can hear it if i access something on the microdrive and have the phone up to my ear. I wouldn't mind buying a replacement flash drive in case the current one breaks.
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htc recalled all units to replace the mechanical hard drives with flash memory BEFORE they shipped (thats why it was delayed).
unless you got hold of one before they shipped and didnt have it recalled yours will be a flash memory drive.
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no, all microdrives have platters, however, the replacement drives are intended to be more power efficient.
http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.7ac4c50322419b5daa67bca4bac4f0a0/
that's the drive, it also has a sensor to tell when you're dropping the device to brace itself for impact.
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no, all microdrives have platters, however, the replacement drives are intended to be more power efficient.
http://www.hitachigst.com/portal/site/en/menuitem.7ac4c50322419b5daa67bca4bac4f0a0/
that's the drive, it also has a sensor to tell when you're dropping the device to brace itself for impact.
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Why didn't they just use flash memory?
No need for a "sensor to tell when you're dropping the device to brace itself for impact"
It also apparently doesn't **** up as readily as anything with moveable parts does.
Maybe they should have screwed the Microdrive altogether and supplied us with an 8gb MINI SDHC card.
All hypothetical anyway.
I've had my Ameo next to my Firelite 80gb on many occasions as it didn't cross my mind until I read this forum. It hasn't broke yet, though I suspect 2.5" HDDs are made to be a little more resilent.
I'll be keeping them a safe distance apart from now on!
oli: you're right on everything so i guess on this too, all i can say is that the info i had was from this website
Hi all,
weird one this, whenever I insert an SD card in to my slot the screen alignment goes completely out of whack. All screen presses are shifted anything from 2mm to 2cm to the left. I have tried a variety of ROMs and memory cards and always the same problem!!! Does anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening or how it might be cured? I was thinking it might involve cracking it open?
Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Hi,
I heard that several type of SD exist on the market, and are build of different kind chip "layers" (I don't remember the exact technical detail). Well, a lot of them are VERY SLOW and are designed to be cheap and for data storage only, and not realtime and CPU handling. So you can have a 2 GB SD with a low cost that seemed a good affair, but in reality is built of a single layer and it is very slow compared to another more expansive. The SD circuit refresh timing could influence the HTC, so that the video pressure are wrongly calculated. The point is that almost nobody write the SD layer info on the box.
- Did you try with a good brand SD ?
Regards.
Well I tried one from Moby memory that was working in my past phone fine and one from China. Turns out it was the phone in the end anyway as once I got a new Trinity everything works fine! Strange but I guess we will never know why it started being weird...
thanks for your response
okay under the instructions of our valused member Cmonex we have now opened this discussion as a food for thought
the begining of the conversation was here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2480768#post2480768 and now from there we continue
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there is no such thing as "standard WM drivers". drivers are hardware specific.
for god's sake why would you think it is based on the advantage? the processor and everything else is different. the closest is a kaiser but the LCD and some other things are of course n ot the same.
Please open a new thread to discuss this.
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well i assumed that the board would be advantage because they both have spinning hard drive and maybe because i own an advantage will am willing to donate in the name of sience for such a cause other wise if someone who opened shift can tell us what he thinks of this as we can simpley replace that board with this one, the only 2 things that i assume would be hard is
2. the hardware button that switched between OS's
3. the sdcard slot, in which i assume with some soldering to unify the 2 boards it would work fine (hardware side but software i dunno
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okay under the instructions of our valused member Cmonex we have now opened this discussion as a food for thought
the begining of the conversation was here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2480768#post2480768 and now from there we continue
well i assumed that the board would be advantage because they both have spinning hard drive and maybe because i own an advantage will am willing to donate in the name of sience for such a cause other wise if someone who opened shift can tell us what he thinks of this as we can simpley replace that board with this one, the only 2 things that i assume would be hard is
2. the hardware button that switched between OS's
3. the sdcard slot, in which i assume with some soldering to unify the 2 boards it would work fine (hardware side but software i dunno
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Can you explain to me why you would want to place the advantage board in the shift? Whats the use of that?
I dont get the point.
And no, I dont think it is plausible (possible)
not advantage, we are just saying what if, so we can use full mobile strength and not software solutions
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not advantage, we are just saying what if, so we can use full mobile strength and not software solutions
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Its kinda funny how big companies always screw up their stuff...
PS3 = only 256MB ram
Xbox360 = No BT and WIFI
Willcom D4 = only PHS
Shift = Crippled...
sad sad, isnt it?
I would be lying if I say I havent thought about swapping the CPU and I spent hours searching for ram...
i gave up....now my machine is sitting there, waiting for the SHIFT PROJECT
yes your 100% right, but swapping CPU and Ram is harder than swapping a whole Radio Board, just think of it, any HTC (kaiser for example) just mount it in a place inside the shift (after freeying the old space takin by radio) and just figure out how to connect the display, even better since shift has vga, get an advantage or one of those htc with VGA out pout and connect it from within, this is defenatly a project am doing 365 days from now or the second HTC will have a product i will buy (in this case a none crippled SHift), the more input we get from those who have looked inside it and looked inside other HTC's, personally i know how does wallaby, himalaya, jamin, jasjar, advantage look like, i have opened all and usually this is what i do in anything get, the second i the warranty ware off i strip it down to learn
You can't do that. Take a look at the FCC pics and notice the board differences.
well i looked and didn't make any sense earlier but should it be housed exactly the same, would't any radio board that fits withen the space in the shift just do the job?
No, it's connected through a proprietary connector, which you don't have in any other PDA Phone. Also you're not taking into account the Embedded Controller which allows sharing the touchscreen, keyboard, etc, between both systems. See the attached pictures.
oh now that i didn't look at, the controller that would share those things together, though after seeing the board its a close reminder of qtek 1010 or qtek 9090, i assumed that display belt is connected through the MB and keyboard is input is through a shipset like advantage with just keys being remappted throught SW, that what would i do if i was HTC coz then this would just save loads of production line equipment, this is stupid though, SDcard is connected though radio board but works with Main MB, it means almost a year from now we actually might have a full usable mobile, what scare me though is the Bluetooth Shipset, where is located to your knowledge?, i know whats going to happen in the first few realeses, phone will be working only while vista is on to be able to use WIFI and BT for audio routing and VOIP from phone board, then slowly they will become independant again (i guess)
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yes your 100% right, but swapping CPU and Ram is harder than swapping a whole Radio Board, just think of it, any HTC (kaiser for example) just mount it in a place inside the shift (after freeying the old space takin by radio) and just figure out how to connect the display, even better since shift has vga, get an advantage or one of those htc with VGA out pout and connect it from within, this is defenatly a project am doing 365 days from now or the second HTC will have a product i will buy (in this case a none crippled SHift), the more input we get from those who have looked inside it and looked inside other HTC's, personally i know how does wallaby, himalaya, jamin, jasjar, advantage look like, i have opened all and usually this is what i do in anything get, the second i the warranty ware off i strip it down to learn
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Ram isnt that difficult to swap. You can just get a different module, since its not soldered.
Unfortunately, there are only 512MB and 1GB modules commercially available, but give it time and you can purchase 2GB.
About the CPU, nowadays, CPUs are not soldered onto the board like on the VAIO T1 to T5 series. They are glued.
My mate is soldering prototype PCBs for a living. He showed me how he glues SMDs onto the board.
So, you can change them, but its risky to pop the chip off.
But then again, will the BIOS reckognize it? How about power consumption and heat dissipation....maybe not worth the effort.
after looking at the scheme i think other than the keyboard loss its pretty doable, they are completly seperate, other than the display, which i assume the red circled connector is the one for it, i also assume the black and white are for power, other than the keyboard nothing is connected (which i assume the green circled connector is what shares the keyboard and power on etc
There are devices coming out with Biometric (fingerprint security). Thought it was really cool when it came out for your desktop computers. Was hoping someone would have developed it here. After a decent search through the archives, target acquired unsuccessful.
Maybe I missed an app that speaks to this. Let me know if you see anything.
I doubt it is possible using touchscreen. The sensor can detect only one point. It is nowhere close to reading papillary lines.
Did you know that lots of these touch sensors are mini cameras infact?
And if you need a device with finger recognition, HTC made one and unluckily it uses a typical fingerprint reader. So it seems we won't be able to unlock our Diamonds with fingerprints.
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I doubt it is possible using touchscreen. The sensor can detect only one point. It is nowhere close to reading papillary lines.
Did you know that lots of these touch sensors are mini cameras infact?
And if you need a device with finger recognition, HTC made one and unluckily it uses a typical fingerprint reader. So it seems we won't be able to unlock our Diamonds with fingerprints.
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Well that explains why it has yet to arrive.....that's because it's not coming at all...lol
Ok, thanks for that!
In theory, a program could be made that would unlock the phone when it detects your face. Some programs exist like this for certain laptops that have webcams built into the top of the screen.
This would be pretty inconvenient unless your phone has a front-facing camera, though, and it would probably be slower on Windows Mobile than just entering a PIN.
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In theory, a program could be made that would unlock the phone when it detects your face. Some programs exist like this for certain laptops that have webcams built into the top of the screen.
This would be pretty inconvenient unless your phone has a front-facing camera, though, and it would probably be slower on Windows Mobile than just entering a PIN.
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Yeah, well the goal here is convenience and added security. Punching in numbers is not too bad but there is always that sneak suspicion that someone is watching you. Face or Finger recognition would be cool is it tends to eliminate the lose of security unless someone looks like you. i.e. twins...
Hey guys I always knew that multitouch on HD2 isn't pefect at all, but now I noticed a peculiar behavior which I was not aware (tnx to ICS)...
enabling a function in developer settings to show pointers position I discovered that multitouch is working in a wrong way.
When you put the second finger over the screen it is recognized correctly but when you move it close to the same axis of the first one (both vertical and horizontal axis), it automatically get aligned on the same abscissa or ordinate (depends which axis was closer) even if the fingers are not aligned.
This is frustrating when I use some apps that take advantage of multitouch, such as games or emulators, because while I'm pressing a key on the screen and I need to press another one on the opposite side, but not perfectly aligned, I get a wrong recognition and often I press another key or a blank space.
I hope I was clear, but to understand better the problem you should activate that function in developer settings and try yourself.
Please give me a hope to think it is a solvable problem... maybe with a better driver :fingers-crossed:
That's just the screen I'm afraid. I've had the same issue with every ROM I've tried, and there's nothing you can do to solve it. At the very least, it's nice for me to hear some confirmation that I'm not the only one who experiences this.
Nigeldg said:
That's just the screen I'm afraid. I've had the same issue with every ROM I've tried, and there's nothing you can do to solve it. At the very least, it's nice for me to hear some confirmation that I'm not the only one who experiences this.
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I read around the forum that HD2 has hardware capabilities, so I think we need to get better input driver
The hardware doesn't support more than 2 points, and it does this rather poorly too. It's not so bad when using things like pinch to zoom or using two fingers to turn the map in Google Maps but when gaming it can be a bit of a pain. There's no driver that can increase the number of points the HW can support (if there was one then surely it would already have been implemented in Android) so afaik there's genuinely nothing that can be done about this. If there is, I'm sure someone will correct me soon.
It's a known issue and we can do nothing about it because of not so good touchscreen. Hardware problem, you know. It's present in every OS and in every ROM. For gaming I'd recommend getting a PS3 controller or using OTG cable and some other gamepads, like the X360 one.
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It's a known issue and we can do nothing about it because of not so good touchscreen. Hardware problem, you know. It's present in every OS and in every ROM. For gaming I'd recommend getting a PS3 controller or using OTG cable and some other gamepads, like the X360 one.
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Maybe you're right, an external controller is the best choice, but I don't want to bring with me other accessory when I'm outside... for the wrong recognition I think it's just driver fault because the problem is software side. When I use one finger is really precise the issue is when I try to use two fingers, because the driver is written wrong and read a fake position
Maybe this makes things a bit clearer. http://www.tactyl.com/fr/telecharger/39-drivers
Back in the days, there weren't that many "multitouch" apps out there for android.
If you look at the nexus one, it's even worse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5puAvPqXpuc
From reading one of the booklets that came with the HD2 it all comes down to single-touch and a pinch-to-zoom gesture which both work most of the time.
Some people who developed emulators at that time, tried to avoid this "autoalignment" by putting the pads in opposite corners.
While still many people don't know that pressing on the edge of the screen, of the HD2, with at least one finger can cause
a swap in the y-axis once the second input is on the screen. (almost like in the nexus one video)
In very good light you can see this "edge-area", it's about ~4mm thick on each edge.
You can always download MVT and test it yourself. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.batterypoweredgames.mtvistest&hl=en
Some time ago tatsumaki made a decent virtual gamepad for fpse which got rid of the alignment by incorporating it in the way he/she arranged the buttons and button mask.
No one is going to fix this by a new driver,
End of story.