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Dropped my Jasjar inside a WC :( Please advice

It happend while I was taking my cloths off for taking a bath
I dropped it inside our WC and my 2GB SD Card was gone far away inside that damn WC and never found it
I tried to pull out the battery but I couldn't pull that damn battery out for 5 min.
Anfter 5 hours drying with a hair dryer I put the battery and other stuff back and there was NO life After pushing the softreset hole some 10-20 times and putting it to charge there was a little life back some blue lines at the screen.
Now after 5 more hours it starts, but after some resets (some times there is only blue lines) and when it starts it freezez very much...
Should I send it for repairing?
Does the worranty covers it? (I bought it from Internet)
Would reflashing help?
Please advice...

tbh, I would have left it to dry normally in a warm place for 24 hrs before even considering to power it up, as (not 100% certain) I think the hairdryer creates static, which could damage the electronics inside, plus, you can't guarantee that it will have dried it out completely, which means, when you started it up, it could have still been damp in the middle and damaged something.
does it look like it has been water damaged? if not, then your best bet would be to not mention that fact, and just say it has suddenly started being funny, not booting up and freezing alot.
I doubt a reflash will fix it, but it is something for nothing, so worth a shot, however long it is.
*edit* if the company won't replace it, you could try your house insurance...

Thanks alot for the reply wytey,
I think there is something damaged, becouse when I soft reset it after freezing there comes a couple of times a light blue screen with blue and white lines...after soft reseting 3-4 times again it loads normaly again but freezez after 5-10 mins again
I was soo happy with my Jasjar >:'(

Your device has been damaged by water.
This is not covered by warranty.
It might not be covered by any insurrance you might have through your service provider.
You may be able to get it covered under home insurrance.

There isn't a case for a wet PDA. But I've read a recent article of getting back a Linksys router that has been soaked wet by rain water. See the real life experience here
http://www.grynx.com/index.php/projects/salvage-your-device-after-liquid-spill/1/
Probably you can do the same?

I dropped my Wizard in the bath, took out the battery and let it dry for about a day or so. Evrything works just fine.. So you should have dry it for over a day or more to be shure no water is left in it

Very timely.
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/hardware/save-your-electronics-from-spilled-liquid-150085.php
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Thanks for replies guys,
Usefull article, but I think it's too late now, I couldn't take out the battery for 5 mins, then how to open the device and clean the components/circute
Can they prove it if I don't mention water?
Home insurrance would be a big lie, but who cares they get money from me every month (what to say to them? stolen? bropped in water?)
Thanks again for your times guys

I may be wrong , but I beleive there is an "indicator" in most modern equipment that shows up if there has been any water damage

anyone who knows how to repair phones and look at pcb boards etc. will KNOW right away that it has been water damaged. Impossible to hide (unless you yourself are also a technician).
I know because I own a phone repair shop and have been doing repairs for a lot of years.
One of the IC may be damaged, so when your device starts to get warm (as you said 5-10 mins) it cannot hold the power.
Just think yourself lucky that it's only an IC and not a CPU.
E-mail me on [email protected] if you need more help and advice

hb328_dtdd said:
anyone who knows how to repair phones and look at pcb boards etc. will KNOW right away that it has been water damaged. Impossible to hide (unless you yourself are also a technician).
I know because I own a phone repair shop and have been doing repairs for a lot of years.
One of the IC may be damaged, so when your device starts to get warm (as you said 5-10 mins) it cannot hold the power.
Just think yourself lucky that it's only an IC and not a CPU.
E-mail me on [email protected] if you need more help and advice
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THanks alot for the info hb328_dtdd
If it's an IC, is it hard to repair it? how much would it cost me?
thanks

I (or whoever you decide to check the device) will have to open the unit up and clean out the residue of water and then do thorough tests first, it may not be an IC problem, even if it is an IC problem it may not actually be broken and will work again after cleaning and sonic waves passed through it.
Depending on which IC is broken and how hard it is to replace it, and also if it has caused any other side effects to the other chips, the repair in theory should not cost too much at all as it does not seem serious (from what I read from your post anyway).
E-mail me with more description of the problem and I will try and give you some tips to get it running, if that fails then you can decide whether to send it away or take it to local engineer to repair.
Hope this helps

the Gadget (Ch 5 UK )show did a piece on stuff getting wet. I htink they all came back to life one way or another but the were left to dry slowly I think for a day or 2. so you could hold out for live in the thing yet?

I hate the fact that Dopod 900 is very slippery, don't you think? I'm looking for a rubber casing like the one for O2 and Ipod.
Dopod 900 enclosure is too slippery, I'm so worry I may drop it too.

I am selling some Pocket PCs and this happened to two of my customers. But the device was an Ipaq 37XX and 38XX.
Both devices I put on a warm place and left there for 4 days. Then after this I powered them up. The Ipaq 37XX had only a bad LCD light, which was flickering sometimes and was not bright. the 38XX worked good again.
Anywasys, you need to check your device and have it cleaned. The biggest problem is the fact that there is so little space between smd mounted chips and the PCB that the water stays in between never drying and makes the metal rust. I had this experience with a cell phone already.
So you can try following:
(1) pay for cleaning and repair
or
(2) try to get it guarantee exchanged, which is also possible as for a pocket pc the technicians normally do not check for water damage. But if you have bad luck, somebody will notice this and you get nothing replaced.

I managed the same thing a while ago with my Xda2, and the symptoms were pretty much the same when it first happened (random lines and 'blotches' across the screen, freezing)..
Without haste, I removed the battery, sd card and mopped up any moisture from inside the battery compartment.. placed it in a warm place in an attempt to evaporate the moisture from the device. I left it for 24 hours before powering the device back up.
It DID work afterwards and I was a bit suprised and relieved at its resilience to liquid.
The important thing is to make sure the board and pins of the chips are not shorted by liquid, if you cannot get to the board, evaporation in a warm place is probably your best bet...Just watch out how you apply heat for the sake of the screen (and possibly the keys on the exec).

I dropped my XDA II into a canal and managed to save it. The problem is the water can't evaporate easily. I took the battery off and put it on a radiator. It took 7 days to finally dry out! It worked ok though.
You probably still have water in yours, so I would recommend putting it on a radiator or somewhere hot and just leaving it. You haven't got anything to lose

After almost 2 days inside the radiator it still has the same freezing/dying problem I thinks something is damaged inside ((( And now I can't find any electronic service in Denmark who can repare it

just because it's dry doesn't mean it fix itself, people often mistake this. Sometimes people get their phones to WORK after it's DRY but little do they know what is really happening inside the phone each time they power it back on and the residue is still there inside the phone lurking in the spaces between the pcb and the chips.
no matter what anyone says, I always tell people the same thing:
YOU MUST GET IT PROFESSIONALLY FIXED

My suggestion and this has never failed me yet.
1. After being dropped in liquid, DO NOT SWITCH ON - This is where most of the real damage will occur. If it is/was switched on remove battery as quickly as possible.
2. Strip down and remove any thing you can do easily, covers, sd card, stylus, sim, battery.
3. Waste a whole aerosol of switch cleaner, squirt it anywhere and everywhere you possibly can, literally fill it up with the stuff so it is pouring out of every hole. Do NOT use WD40, it must be electrical switch cleaner that will leave no residue at all!
4. Allow as much as possible of the switch cleaner to drip out and then allow it to dry, do not force dry with a hair dryer and even a radiator is too harsh. I find airing cupboard where the hot water tank is is the best place.
5. Leave at least 48 hours before putting everything back together and switching on, if it does not work straight away, strip it down again and leave another 24 hours, keep repeating for 7 days.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=27515&criteria=switch cleaner&doy=29m1
Good luck!

How to tighten Keyboard Slider Mechanism?

Hi Champs,
the Keyboard on my MDA Vario (T-Mobile) is very loose.
Meaning, that it slides out nearly by itself
Is there any way to make it harder / tighten it? Has someone done it and can explain on How To (maybe with pictures)?
Thanks in advance!
Oliver

Sorry that I do not have any solution for you and share your concern.
It is unfortunate that HTC did not learn anything from the Blue angel. I had the i-mate pda2k (blue angel) and it too had similar loose keyboard problem. Now we have the brand new Wizard and the same loose keyboard.
In the end I think it is our fault (myself included) because whatever they make we are prepared to spend our hard earned money on it
Just my views
Kind Regards

Noone has any tips or tricks to help on this?
It is getting worse! And T-Mobile claims that this is normal and will not exchange it :-(
Oliver

I did it once
Hi Oliver,
I did it once, my wizard wasn't to loose and in fact I didn't wanted to tight the keyboard but I feel it more tight after I disassembled my wizard (trying to fix the center-not-working problem of the touchscreen) I think that what did the trick was to tight the srews that support the screen when you open the keyboard (you won't be able to see them without disassembling). I whould advise you to search for some pics of the wizard disassembled and look for those srews.
PS: I see is a old post, wish it helps or already fixed =)

See the little bumps in this picture (red circles around them)?
Build those bumps up with some very thin coats of clear epoxy, or even with a very hard clear nail polish (allow to dry over night, either way, before closing the keyboard). That should keep your phone shut.
It'll still slip like a sweaty whore on a greased air mattress once you clear those bumps, but it should keep your phone shut until you want it open. You can do the same thing at the other end, but you'll have to disassemble for that, and if you're doing that, you might as well try Edgar's suggestion first, anyhow.

get this: when i use the **** button on the keyboard, it keeps locking in to shift mode. i then would have to hold shift to typ normally then relase shift to type a symbol. so one cone say the shift function is working in reverse. is there a fix?

collwatt said:
get this: when i use the **** button on the keyboard, it keeps locking in to shift mode. i then would have to hold shift to typ normally then relase shift to type a symbol. so one cone say the shift function is working in reverse. is there a fix?
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Start a new thread, this one is about loose keyboards, not stuck buttons.
But to answer your question: Disassemble your phone and clean it thoroughly. Use cotton swabs or lint-free cloth, and isopropyl alcohol, and keep at it until you don't see any streaks or debris on anything. Blow completely dry with canned air, or allow to air dry overnight before applying power. Any streaks mean you still haven't got the dirt off (you just smeared it around). Once it's super clean, reassemble and test. You'll probably be pleasantly surprised by the improvement in the performance. Some get by without disassembly just by hitting the gaps in the buttons with canned air, but that's only a temporary fix.

Fixing the Touch Display

hey everyone.
Through a random episode in the rain, my phone was soaked in water.
I have all the buttons working, except for the touch display.
It doesn't respond to anything when I touch the screen (Finger or stylus).
Any suggestions on getting it to work again? It was working before, not anymore .

Was it operated while wet?
If so, it may be fried.
If you are VERY lucky, it just got gunked up when the water hit all the crud that inevitably collects beneath the buttons and other cracks between the case edges.
Turn it off, remove the battery.
Open the case and disassemble it (the more thorough you are here, the better your results will be).
Take a blow-dryer to EVERYTHING for a good solid hour at its highest setting (or until your blow dryer quits heating air).
With some isopropyl alcohol and a cotton swab, carefully clean away anything that doesn't belong there. Keep checking for streaks. Streaks mean there's still more gunk to remove.
When you are done cleaning it, wait at least 24 hours before buttoning it back together. It needs to be bone dry. If it's humid in your area, dig through old gadget boxes, jerky bags, etc. and find as many desiccant packets you can, dropping them in a box with the phone parts overnight.
Reassemble and turn it back on. If it survived, it will work fine. If not, you'll probably be able to sell the parts here...
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Sounds good,
but all the other buttons work 100%
It's just the Touch screen (the display itself works), doesn't accept any input.'
Otherwise, SmartKey 1-handed operation is saving my life at the moment lol.

shadezero said:
It's just the Touch screen (the display itself works), doesn't accept any input.'
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Well, you might get away with just checking the connections between the screen and the main circuitry, but I'd still do the cleaning, to prevent any increase in problems. Water in phones = never a good idea. (Duh, right?)

URGENT Problem with HTC Wizard WM5 doesnt boot

Hi,
I have a problem with my SPv M3000/HTC Wizard/Qtek etc.. A bottle of water spilled in my bag and my pda became Wet AND now it can't boot the os - windows mobile 5. When I switch on the pda on the screen appears a picture with a name of my network [Polish Orange]and 4 lines of numbers :
IPL 2.22.0001
SPL 2.22.0001
GSM 01.04.10
OS 2.22.1.1
To switch of the phone I have to remove it's battery. Btw. a button to switch on and off the pda is a bit pushed but it works quite good.
Charging works, battery works.
I tried to make a hard reset of the pda but it didn't solved the problem.
Btw. I would like to ask you for a fast and urgent help because I'm abroad and I need my phone very much and something with alarm ;(. Unfortunately I have aslo limited acces to the internet so I 'll be very pleased and thankful for your help

Hmmm, there may not be any help for your device...water and fine electronics DO NOT mix! I would try however, take the battery out of your phone, and leave the cover off of it for a few hours, perhaps even with the keyboard extended, and see if the internal circuitry will dry out. You could also try getting ahold of a hair dryer and setting it on LOW, and doing it that way...just be VERY careful if you go down that path, as hair dryers can get EXTREMELY hot!

There are few other alternatives depending on how desperate you are:
2) an oven at Low heat (150 degrees F or less) for maybe 30 minutes as an alternative to the hair dryer.
3) a bag full of fresh Silica Gel to leave the phone in overnight.
4) a high quality isopropyl alcohol: soak the phone in the alcohol, which should displace the water, allow to dry for several hours.
If you have attempted to turn on the phone while wet, it may have already shorted something out.
I would use any of those at your own risk...the alcohol bath seems is probably the most risky and the Silica Gel the least.

Hi again,
I don't want to try your methods because their sound dangerous ;]. I tried only hair dryer but it didn't help ;(.
What do you think about reflashing ROM?

Cadder said:
Hi again,
I don't want to try your methods because their sound dangerous ;]. I tried only hair dryer but it didn't help ;(.
What do you think about reflashing ROM?
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Yup ! very right, what 'ashasaur' posted above "Hmmm, there may not be any help for your device...water and fine electronics DO NOT mix!" unless your phone is completely dried it won't boot or work and I wud rather warn you here,if you persist with turning on the phone like this it'll short circuit and become dead and useless.The only way out is to completely strip or dismantle the phone of its covers and cleaned throughly.
Secondly,its not possible to reflash in this scenario ,as it doesn't boot up,you wud be lucky,if it boots up and start working,after proper cleaning,so stop beating about the bush and start thinking positively,get down to try to dry and clean the phone first.

There's no danger in using the silica gel. It's a desiccant packed with most electronics. Combined with dis-assembling it could be effective.
I agree the other two are pretty scary!

ahhh...very right! I didnt even think about silica gel...or more comonly known as "painters desicant". It does indeed remove the moisture from the air and from any surface within the area...that would be the best choice. The only reason that I recommended the hair dryer was from my own experience with a Palm Treo 650...I dropped it in a glass of water(lol), and dried it with a hair dryer for prolly 20-30 minutes on LOW, and it started to work again!

Desiccant can be had very cheaply, and in large quantities. Just go to a mega store like WalMart, go to the storage section, and look for "cabinet and closet dehumidifier". Remove all the seals and drop your phone right into the pebbles overnight, and that'll take out any moisture.
If it still doesn't boot, no changes of software (flashing) are likely to help. Not booting after water exposure usually means a circuit was shorted. If drying doesn't remove the short, that means something was fried when it shorted. Sorry. Next time get insurance!

I have a warranty for my pda and I dont think that people who will repair my phone will notice what caused damage ;].
But i think i m going to check thaht dehumidifier it sounds quite interesting ;].

8525 shutting down on its own

guys - severe problem here
had my 8525 for 2 years or so and have had it insured thank goodness - two trips to the shop have been done already, one for the RED LED problem that i thought ruined my device.
now out of the blue yesterday the phone started shutting off on its own. seemingly randomly, at no specific times, it will just turn off, as if i held the power button down for 5 secs and hit ok.
it will only come back on if i hit the soft reset button or hold the power button and then it reboots. it is making life very frustrating as i'm missing calls and messages often because i have to constantly watch for the green LED to be on to know that the phone is still working
i have three accumulated three batteries over the years so i know thats not the problem, it occurs with all three.
anyone suggest anything before i send it back in? not excited to pay another deductible as i've already doubled the price i paid for the phone in insurance fees!!

My advice would be to do a complete backup, and then hard-reset. Assuming that the issue disappears after the HR, then restore from your backup. Hopefully, you will not restore the issue as well. If you do, then HR again, and DON'T restore from the backup ... install everything fresh.
HTH,
-pvs

There have been a few reports that the battery contacts can become less firm against the battery - causing random switch offs. This was easily solved by having a thin strip of card between the battery and the casing on the side opposite the contacts. Thus pushing the battery a little more firmly against the contacts. (Also make sure the contacts are clean)
Something easy to try at least.
Remember to search - here's one example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315591
Mike

thought of that halfway through the day today when i was fidgeting with it and realized there was a little bit of play in the battery compartment. actually put a thin piece of paper on the opposite side of the contacts and the phone has stayed on for an hour so far!!! sure hope that was the fix - would make me pretty happy - keeping my fingers crossed!
i had done a hard reset last night hoping for a fix but to no avail. thanks for the suggestion though.
the weird part is no jarring or dropping took place so i am surprised this issue arose out of the blue??
thanks for the help - and i did search but will look more thoroughly in the future

Hope it works long term - I wonder if thin paper is enough, we'll see.
Sorry about the search comment
Cheers
Mike
the weird part is no jarring or dropping took place so i am surprised this issue arose out of the blue??
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Well, those spring contacts can get a bit tired and maybe a little oxidised and they loose the spring in their step - a bit like me really. I'm stuffing in the cream cakes however not slips of paper but I still randomly switch off from time to time, in fact more and more often!

haha - yea i suppose same goes for me!
however it stopped working =\ worked for about an hour and a half then i bent down to pick something up with phone in pocket and it died. seems like slightest movement would make a difference, but then later on it died at my desk again =\ thought i had found the culprit too
on the gold prongs, on the phone part, there is a tiny bit of evidence of melting on the black plasting holding the prongs. on either side of the black plastic where it meets the green board of the phones interior, there is a silver weld. on one side, it looks like the black plastic melted a bit and the silver weld is barely visible. the plastic is rough and not the same edge as the other side. that's the only noticeable difference
thought i had found a quick fix, but i suppose the last option is the old $50 deductible for the third time =\

Mmmm.. not good. However it seems it is a contact problem and there have been reports of that complete battery contact assembly coming off. Some have been successfully re-soldered, but in one case the contact was broken inside the mult-layered board.
I'm slightly puzzled about the melting - almost as if someone has previously been re-soldering it. (seems a little improbable that a poor contact at that ampage could cause enough heat to melt it - but I could be wrong)
Mike

mine was doing this and nothing fixed it apart from a reflash, its been working fine since i reflashed two days ago
hope this helps