It happend while I was taking my cloths off for taking a bath
I dropped it inside our WC and my 2GB SD Card was gone far away inside that damn WC and never found it
I tried to pull out the battery but I couldn't pull that damn battery out for 5 min.
Anfter 5 hours drying with a hair dryer I put the battery and other stuff back and there was NO life After pushing the softreset hole some 10-20 times and putting it to charge there was a little life back some blue lines at the screen.
Now after 5 more hours it starts, but after some resets (some times there is only blue lines) and when it starts it freezez very much...
Should I send it for repairing?
Does the worranty covers it? (I bought it from Internet)
Would reflashing help?
Please advice...
tbh, I would have left it to dry normally in a warm place for 24 hrs before even considering to power it up, as (not 100% certain) I think the hairdryer creates static, which could damage the electronics inside, plus, you can't guarantee that it will have dried it out completely, which means, when you started it up, it could have still been damp in the middle and damaged something.
does it look like it has been water damaged? if not, then your best bet would be to not mention that fact, and just say it has suddenly started being funny, not booting up and freezing alot.
I doubt a reflash will fix it, but it is something for nothing, so worth a shot, however long it is.
*edit* if the company won't replace it, you could try your house insurance...
Thanks alot for the reply wytey,
I think there is something damaged, becouse when I soft reset it after freezing there comes a couple of times a light blue screen with blue and white lines...after soft reseting 3-4 times again it loads normaly again but freezez after 5-10 mins again
I was soo happy with my Jasjar >:'(
Your device has been damaged by water.
This is not covered by warranty.
It might not be covered by any insurrance you might have through your service provider.
You may be able to get it covered under home insurrance.
There isn't a case for a wet PDA. But I've read a recent article of getting back a Linksys router that has been soaked wet by rain water. See the real life experience here
http://www.grynx.com/index.php/projects/salvage-your-device-after-liquid-spill/1/
Probably you can do the same?
I dropped my Wizard in the bath, took out the battery and let it dry for about a day or so. Evrything works just fine.. So you should have dry it for over a day or more to be shure no water is left in it
Very timely.
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/hardware/save-your-electronics-from-spilled-liquid-150085.php
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Thanks for replies guys,
Usefull article, but I think it's too late now, I couldn't take out the battery for 5 mins, then how to open the device and clean the components/circute
Can they prove it if I don't mention water?
Home insurrance would be a big lie, but who cares they get money from me every month (what to say to them? stolen? bropped in water?)
Thanks again for your times guys
I may be wrong , but I beleive there is an "indicator" in most modern equipment that shows up if there has been any water damage
anyone who knows how to repair phones and look at pcb boards etc. will KNOW right away that it has been water damaged. Impossible to hide (unless you yourself are also a technician).
I know because I own a phone repair shop and have been doing repairs for a lot of years.
One of the IC may be damaged, so when your device starts to get warm (as you said 5-10 mins) it cannot hold the power.
Just think yourself lucky that it's only an IC and not a CPU.
E-mail me on [email protected] if you need more help and advice
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anyone who knows how to repair phones and look at pcb boards etc. will KNOW right away that it has been water damaged. Impossible to hide (unless you yourself are also a technician).
I know because I own a phone repair shop and have been doing repairs for a lot of years.
One of the IC may be damaged, so when your device starts to get warm (as you said 5-10 mins) it cannot hold the power.
Just think yourself lucky that it's only an IC and not a CPU.
E-mail me on [email protected] if you need more help and advice
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THanks alot for the info hb328_dtdd
If it's an IC, is it hard to repair it? how much would it cost me?
thanks
I (or whoever you decide to check the device) will have to open the unit up and clean out the residue of water and then do thorough tests first, it may not be an IC problem, even if it is an IC problem it may not actually be broken and will work again after cleaning and sonic waves passed through it.
Depending on which IC is broken and how hard it is to replace it, and also if it has caused any other side effects to the other chips, the repair in theory should not cost too much at all as it does not seem serious (from what I read from your post anyway).
E-mail me with more description of the problem and I will try and give you some tips to get it running, if that fails then you can decide whether to send it away or take it to local engineer to repair.
Hope this helps
the Gadget (Ch 5 UK )show did a piece on stuff getting wet. I htink they all came back to life one way or another but the were left to dry slowly I think for a day or 2. so you could hold out for live in the thing yet?
I hate the fact that Dopod 900 is very slippery, don't you think? I'm looking for a rubber casing like the one for O2 and Ipod.
Dopod 900 enclosure is too slippery, I'm so worry I may drop it too.
I am selling some Pocket PCs and this happened to two of my customers. But the device was an Ipaq 37XX and 38XX.
Both devices I put on a warm place and left there for 4 days. Then after this I powered them up. The Ipaq 37XX had only a bad LCD light, which was flickering sometimes and was not bright. the 38XX worked good again.
Anywasys, you need to check your device and have it cleaned. The biggest problem is the fact that there is so little space between smd mounted chips and the PCB that the water stays in between never drying and makes the metal rust. I had this experience with a cell phone already.
So you can try following:
(1) pay for cleaning and repair
or
(2) try to get it guarantee exchanged, which is also possible as for a pocket pc the technicians normally do not check for water damage. But if you have bad luck, somebody will notice this and you get nothing replaced.
I managed the same thing a while ago with my Xda2, and the symptoms were pretty much the same when it first happened (random lines and 'blotches' across the screen, freezing)..
Without haste, I removed the battery, sd card and mopped up any moisture from inside the battery compartment.. placed it in a warm place in an attempt to evaporate the moisture from the device. I left it for 24 hours before powering the device back up.
It DID work afterwards and I was a bit suprised and relieved at its resilience to liquid.
The important thing is to make sure the board and pins of the chips are not shorted by liquid, if you cannot get to the board, evaporation in a warm place is probably your best bet...Just watch out how you apply heat for the sake of the screen (and possibly the keys on the exec).
I dropped my XDA II into a canal and managed to save it. The problem is the water can't evaporate easily. I took the battery off and put it on a radiator. It took 7 days to finally dry out! It worked ok though.
You probably still have water in yours, so I would recommend putting it on a radiator or somewhere hot and just leaving it. You haven't got anything to lose
After almost 2 days inside the radiator it still has the same freezing/dying problem I thinks something is damaged inside ((( And now I can't find any electronic service in Denmark who can repare it
just because it's dry doesn't mean it fix itself, people often mistake this. Sometimes people get their phones to WORK after it's DRY but little do they know what is really happening inside the phone each time they power it back on and the residue is still there inside the phone lurking in the spaces between the pcb and the chips.
no matter what anyone says, I always tell people the same thing:
YOU MUST GET IT PROFESSIONALLY FIXED
My suggestion and this has never failed me yet.
1. After being dropped in liquid, DO NOT SWITCH ON - This is where most of the real damage will occur. If it is/was switched on remove battery as quickly as possible.
2. Strip down and remove any thing you can do easily, covers, sd card, stylus, sim, battery.
3. Waste a whole aerosol of switch cleaner, squirt it anywhere and everywhere you possibly can, literally fill it up with the stuff so it is pouring out of every hole. Do NOT use WD40, it must be electrical switch cleaner that will leave no residue at all!
4. Allow as much as possible of the switch cleaner to drip out and then allow it to dry, do not force dry with a hair dryer and even a radiator is too harsh. I find airing cupboard where the hot water tank is is the best place.
5. Leave at least 48 hours before putting everything back together and switching on, if it does not work straight away, strip it down again and leave another 24 hours, keep repeating for 7 days.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=27515&criteria=switch cleaner&doy=29m1
Good luck!
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After a trip to the beach the screen on my phone looks "foggy" like some water vapor is inside, after a few days the screen return to normal apearence again, then when i turn on my phone again the icons on the screen apear like always i touch it very fast , randomly (not at the same button-icon) , i think is something wrong with the touch screen, is there any way to "clean" inside of the touch screen or how can i fix that ?, i already try installing a new Rom and same thing hapen.
sounds like you got some moisture inside the phone. Assuming you didn't do anything to allow the phone to get wet, you may have justification for a warranty replacement since, IMHO, the phone really shouldn't let that much moisture in there to cause a problem like that just from carrying it with you. If you did allow water to enter the phone somehow or it's out of warranty, you could try putting it somewhere warm and dry for a couple of days. I have even heard of people using the oven (on it's lowest setting). That shouldn't really get hot enough to damage anything, but I'm not responsible if you try that and you cook the phone (although, really, it's not working right now anyways) Remove the battery cover and battery to aid in circulation. If you can rig a small fan to blow at it, that might help a little too. If that doesn't work or you feel adventurous, removing the front bezel would probably go a long way towards drying things out too, especially coupled with a fan or the oven method mentioned above.
This is a last ditch effort for fixing my Wizard:
A couple weeks ago it had an unfortunate meeting with a river. It wouldn't turn on. Since then I have opened it, repaired it, and gotten it to turn on and function --EXCEPT-- the phone part. The sim is recognized at first, but within 1-5 minutes (regardless of movement, usage, etc.) the sim is no longer recognized. Sometimes the phone reports "Searching for signal", but usually it reports "no sim. insert sim". Does anyone have any advice? Please? I'm stuck with a Tornado until I figure this out! Thanks in advance.
David
Have you tried another Wizard compatible sim card? You may have damaged you original card. Just go to a retailer and ask them to temporarily boot you up with a new card and you'll know wether or not your sim card is to blame.
I have used the below method to save a number of phones that got dunked. Most importantly is to use anti-static protection when handling it after you open it. Yeah, you gotta open the case to get the moisture out. (Note - Nokia is like a tank and I won't argue that this or that Nokia worked fine after being dunked without taking it apart. I already know it does)
I keep a usb cable handy that is cut and use it to ground the device after I remove the battery. Using canned dry air I empty the can going over and over the circuit boards with special attention to the connections for the buttons and video.
I have a dehumidifier just for the purpose of running it for a week with projects I am working on so next I setup the dunked phone next to it and forget it for a week or two. On expensive items I have gone so far as to put it inside a plexi-glass box that has a vent hole cut the same size as the intake of the dehumidifier to concentrate the treatment by putting them together. (I live on the gulf coast and get a lot of business on fish-finders and such). Once or twice during that time I check my work to remove any droplets that may appear due to condensation that has not evaporated.
The problem with using heat is that it will simply evaporate water that is inside connections and so on but if there is not an easy exit for that water it will not come out. You remove the moisture from all the surrounding air and the moisture inside those connections will slowly leech out.
Replace the battery. That is normally what fries the device when people turn it on. Water gets inside the battery and shorts it out, then it ZAPS the device. I repeat. REPLACE the battery or everything else you have done is likely to be a waste of time.
Blah, blah, blah... Yeah, I am sure there are gonna be people that "had no problem reusing the battery" and yes there are exceptions to every rule. There are also just as many or more that had problems with the device or it failed afterward and they did not know why and it is for them that this is written. (Can ya tell I have written this before in a forum? heh heh) Mostly the batterys that are not affected will be the ones that are a plain battery but this is not the case with a smartphone or pda. Many of them actually have electronics built inside the battery for protection and those electronics are also damaged by the water. I am sure that some are not so equipped but when it comes to such a device, I prefer to err on the side of caution.
Anyway that is about it. Cheers!
Silica gel might be a good alternative to a dehumidifier. You'll want to use more than what comes in the little packets with new items.
(No that was not a pack of Chicklets!)
rmcknight said:
Silica gel might be a good alternative to a dehumidifier. You'll want to use more than what comes in the little packets with new items.
(No that was not a pack of Chicklets!)
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I used a hairdryer once, ofcourse going over each component a couple of times. I did have to change the battery. i used a multimeter to check the voltages and got freaked since the cells shorted.
kept it under a heating lamp for about 2 days with adequate ventilation.
Aye, silica gel is probably the fastest and best bet, goto Wal-Mart or Lowes or something and get you some Painter Desicant, as it is called....should be like 5USD or so. Put some of the granuals in a plastic container, then put your Wizard directly on top of it and put a lid on the container. Let it sit for a few days, and all should be fine.
Hi,
I have a problem with my SPv M3000/HTC Wizard/Qtek etc.. A bottle of water spilled in my bag and my pda became Wet AND now it can't boot the os - windows mobile 5. When I switch on the pda on the screen appears a picture with a name of my network [Polish Orange]and 4 lines of numbers :
IPL 2.22.0001
SPL 2.22.0001
GSM 01.04.10
OS 2.22.1.1
To switch of the phone I have to remove it's battery. Btw. a button to switch on and off the pda is a bit pushed but it works quite good.
Charging works, battery works.
I tried to make a hard reset of the pda but it didn't solved the problem.
Btw. I would like to ask you for a fast and urgent help because I'm abroad and I need my phone very much and something with alarm ;(. Unfortunately I have aslo limited acces to the internet so I 'll be very pleased and thankful for your help
Hmmm, there may not be any help for your device...water and fine electronics DO NOT mix! I would try however, take the battery out of your phone, and leave the cover off of it for a few hours, perhaps even with the keyboard extended, and see if the internal circuitry will dry out. You could also try getting ahold of a hair dryer and setting it on LOW, and doing it that way...just be VERY careful if you go down that path, as hair dryers can get EXTREMELY hot!
There are few other alternatives depending on how desperate you are:
2) an oven at Low heat (150 degrees F or less) for maybe 30 minutes as an alternative to the hair dryer.
3) a bag full of fresh Silica Gel to leave the phone in overnight.
4) a high quality isopropyl alcohol: soak the phone in the alcohol, which should displace the water, allow to dry for several hours.
If you have attempted to turn on the phone while wet, it may have already shorted something out.
I would use any of those at your own risk...the alcohol bath seems is probably the most risky and the Silica Gel the least.
Hi again,
I don't want to try your methods because their sound dangerous ;]. I tried only hair dryer but it didn't help ;(.
What do you think about reflashing ROM?
Cadder said:
Hi again,
I don't want to try your methods because their sound dangerous ;]. I tried only hair dryer but it didn't help ;(.
What do you think about reflashing ROM?
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Yup ! very right, what 'ashasaur' posted above "Hmmm, there may not be any help for your device...water and fine electronics DO NOT mix!" unless your phone is completely dried it won't boot or work and I wud rather warn you here,if you persist with turning on the phone like this it'll short circuit and become dead and useless.The only way out is to completely strip or dismantle the phone of its covers and cleaned throughly.
Secondly,its not possible to reflash in this scenario ,as it doesn't boot up,you wud be lucky,if it boots up and start working,after proper cleaning,so stop beating about the bush and start thinking positively,get down to try to dry and clean the phone first.
There's no danger in using the silica gel. It's a desiccant packed with most electronics. Combined with dis-assembling it could be effective.
I agree the other two are pretty scary!
ahhh...very right! I didnt even think about silica gel...or more comonly known as "painters desicant". It does indeed remove the moisture from the air and from any surface within the area...that would be the best choice. The only reason that I recommended the hair dryer was from my own experience with a Palm Treo 650...I dropped it in a glass of water(lol), and dried it with a hair dryer for prolly 20-30 minutes on LOW, and it started to work again!
Desiccant can be had very cheaply, and in large quantities. Just go to a mega store like WalMart, go to the storage section, and look for "cabinet and closet dehumidifier". Remove all the seals and drop your phone right into the pebbles overnight, and that'll take out any moisture.
If it still doesn't boot, no changes of software (flashing) are likely to help. Not booting after water exposure usually means a circuit was shorted. If drying doesn't remove the short, that means something was fried when it shorted. Sorry. Next time get insurance!
I have a warranty for my pda and I dont think that people who will repair my phone will notice what caused damage ;].
But i think i m going to check thaht dehumidifier it sounds quite interesting ;].
I have been using AT&T 8525 for about 5 months now. Dropped it in office a week back and it was on an uncarpetted surface. No external damage but it powered off. I had to try for a while to power it on but eventually it did power on.
Since this event it just powers off on its own. Right now, even minor jerks cause it to shut down. When you pull the phone out of your pocket after a while, it has already shut down!!! Took it for repair to a local cell phone repair assuming it might have some connector damage but they could not figure out the problem. They opened it, cleaned the interiors (as it had dust build up) and according to them everything appeared normal.
What would you guys recommend? It is running Schaps 4.30. I see that HTC has a repair service in US.....had anyone tried that?
Sounds like battery might be a little bit loose... Jam something in behind the battery to make sure of constant connection... You're not the first with this complaint. The battey terminals may have been bent back just enough to cause this intermittant problem, especially when it gets jolted, the battery disconnects from the teminals causing an automatic shutdown due to no power.. Just thank god you didn't break the terminals off. Sometimes can be fixed but if the break is at board level, you may as well sell it off on ebay for parts because its just about impossible to fix then.
Cheers...
Very smart ultramag!! Your reply made me think what I did after it fell down. At that time I did think that the battery was loose as it was running when on active syn (powered by laptop) but not when I removed the cord. I did turn the terminals a bit and it powered on after few attempts (the drop must have given the circuitry some shock to recover after sometime).
I have jammed a paper on the side of the battery opposite the battery terminal. Will report back in a day or two if it still gives any problems. That should help others with the same problem.
Also this event has taught me that invisible shield (the plastic shield that we stick on) perhaps may not be the best protection. Case is a must to absorb the shock!
ok the problem still continues despite sticking a paper on the battery side (opp the terminal). I do believe that the battery was part of the problem. Before sticking in the paper, it used to give me a Red LED for few seconds when I attempted charging and then turned to amber. Now that problem is not there....it turns to amber right away on plugging in the device.
So part of the problem is addressed but the Hermes still powers down on its own when subject to minimum shock (in your pockets and you are walking around in the office or driving a car). What do you suggest? Should I send it in to HTC? Are they good about addressing repair issues?
... and yet I think it probably is the contacts as suggested above. It may be that it's a little more than just the contacts not pressing firmly on the battery though. There have been cases where a fall has actually broken/cracked the solder joints between the contacts and the board. A trickier thing to fix unless you have some skills in that direction.
Mike
AT&T powers off after drop - HTC's take on the situation
Ok so here is HTC's evaluation of the situation.
They want to change the main board (mother-board I guess). In addition, though the phone is just 4 months old (was purchased refurb from AT&T) and has barely any scratches, they would replace the casing, the keyboard and the structure that holds the keyboard and LCD. And they would ONLY charge me $272. Isn't that ridicuously amazing??
To me it seems they can't figure out what the hell is going on, so lets just go ahead and replace a bunch of things and one of them should be a hit.
I have asked them to send the phone back. Mike, do you think the main-board could be the issue? Any recommendations of who I could try for repair.....or what I should ask the repair guy to look into to find out if the main board is the issue or not?
Only $272??? Good God! That lot would cost you around $450 if it were fixed at HTC UK!!
If the drop caused cracking internally then that may be why they want to replace the rest. if there are known defects that are not repaired, they cannot guarantee the repair and so will not do it at all if you do not agree to the whole thing.
of course, you could be right and they have no clue and simply want to replace everything and hope something gets fixed....
Don't PPCtechs also do repairs on that side of the pond?
I spilled water on my phone they other night in my sleep. When I awoke the phone was still on but had frozen up. Upon a reboot it locked up on the splash screen and with a couple more tries it locked up on a black screen. Eventually I got it to boot to home but the touch screen isn't working and I'm getting force closes when I try to open any apps. I tried leaving it in uncooked rice to absorb the moisture overnight but I'm still getting the same problems. Anything I can do?
There are two very important rules when electrical equipment is soaked.
1: take the battery out as quickly as possible so it shuts down and doesn't short.
2: LEAVE IT OFF UNTIL COMPLETELY DRY! This can not be stressed enough. Having it turned on with water inside is like trying to kill yout phone intentionally.
I find the best way to dry it is to take of any covers, batteries, sd-cards, sim cards ad anything else you can easily dissasemble, and then leaving it in an oven on 40-50 degrees overnight. Electrical stove is kind of neccessary for this though, unless you have a gas stove with good temp adjustment.
If I bought a cracked LCD G1 and replaced the digitizer with the one on my broken phone (touch screen isn't working) it should be fine right? There are no actual electronics to the digitizer screen, right?
Snakebear said:
If I bought a cracked LCD G1 and replaced the digitizer with the one on my broken phone (touch screen isn't working) it should be fine right? There are no actual electronics to the digitizer screen, right?
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Theoretically, that should work. Haven't done it so I cant account for it.
However, how will that stop the FC's?
No, you misunderstood. I plan to buy a functional G1 with a cracked digitizer and use my old digitizer from the water damaged phone to fix it.
Nevermind, just found out the glass has some electrical parts to it and that's probably what I shorted out. Guess that's out.
I had my phone in my pocket when i went on a drunken creek walk. Long story short I pulled my battery had the same problems as you. So for my fix I wiped flashed a new rom then wipe again for good measure. Stopped force closes and works like a charm now.
read my post here for water damage if it happens again....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616213
Well I did a Nand backup to no avail but I havn't tried a full wipe/format. Maybe I will give that a go and see if it helps. Did your touch screen also fail?
I'm currently using the G1 my brother dropped in a toilet. It accidentally turned on when he was removing the battery. It's really odd that the phone is working 100% at the moment.
Give it a few days before you rule it dead.
My sister dropped a RAZR in the toilet one day (Stoopit!) so my dad took it out (no pee in derp), hair dryer, rice, window, BAM!
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Well I did a Nand backup to no avail but I havn't tried a full wipe/format. Maybe I will give that a go and see if it helps. Did your touch screen also fail?
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The left side of my screen did not work for about 5 hours after I placed it in rice. Some say you need to keep it in rice for a full day or so. Basically take out the SD card, sim card, and battery and place the rest of the phone submerged in rice for at least 8 hours or so. Then try the phone.
BTW, my phone was acting sluggish ever since then so this morning, I did a factory wipe of the phone and things seem to be working normally. I also copied the SD contents and formated the card.