This is one of the oldest tricks in windows mobile history I used this since I had my himalaya on 04.
Steps:
1. Liberate Snapview
2. Connect vista to wireless
3. Attach snapview to vista
4. Open WMDC and Click Mobile device settings
5. In the "This computer is connected to:" field set it to internet then ok!
You should now be able to use wifi while in snapview but it will drain heaps of battery as compared to running snapview alone. It would definitely be better to have bt, wifi, and sd running on snap view rather than having to open vista.
Sorry that if you had Vista turn on, what the point to use the Windows Mobiles?
My WM6 is responding much slower compare to the Vista when access the internet.
the point is when there is wifi and you just want to trip using wm then do this.
Can't say I can see the point of this either. If I've got boot Vista to use WiFi, I might as well use Vista for internet access. Currently, I use WM as a low power browsing solution and as a Citrix client, and it works very well for me. If we can get SD card, I'd use it for a whole lot more, but things have gone quiet on this front. Personally, I think we'll see GPS shortly, but I don't think that the SD/WiFi/BT are physically connected to the WM part of the machine so will never be a native option - I'd love to be wrong on this though.
Just my opinion of course, and other peoples mileage may vary considerably!
Regards,
Dave
My guess is that it is conencted, but in such a way it doesn't answer to the WM side until something is done for that. By default, It's probably hooked by vista, even when vista is turned off.
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Hi.
Anyone with same problem. I only have seen it on vista side. Working with 3g conectivity. One minute is connected with tray icon showing globe. Then 30 isnt connected with tray icon showing computers with red cross. Then again connected 3 minutes. It seems a problem between vista side and internet sharing service from snapvue. I ve seen this issue in other spanish shift. Maybe a spanish version problem? any idea?
Thanks
Not much help I know but see my thread titled 'continued vista connection problems'. Have you been using internet sharing to gain access to WM 6.0? i noticed Activesync was always starting on the snapvue side which I think is linked to the constant disconnections.
A full restore from the restore partition solved my problem and I now get a steady 3g connection.
Thanks for your response. Not alone now. Format is a solution but we should know the origin of this problem. Obviosly is related with the way connects to 3g, this is, using Internet Shared connection with snapvue...but...why suddenly activesync (client or server part) tries to connect the other side and breaks the internet shared connection? any idea?Did you install sp1? is your shift language english or other one? ( I am trying to discard sources of the problem).
pd. While I write these lines on winmo side I can listen vista side sounds (connect/disconnect each minute...)
Hi,
I did some changes and It seems (by now) the problem is solved. I ve playing with continous 3g connections. This is what I did (I dont know which one did the trick).
1) Disable activesync usb connections for both sides( I did it for vista side days ago but know I did too in snapvue size.
2) Sevice Sync bluetooth Server stopped and set manually.
3) Reset both sides
Now I ve a stable 3g connection....
Daniel
Glad you got it working. What do you do to disable Activesync on the Snapvue side?
I only noticed this problem after installing SP1 but I was working mostly with WIFI so cannot be sure there is a link.
gavmiller said:
Daniel
Glad you got it working. What do you do to disable Activesync on the Snapvue side?
I only noticed this problem after installing SP1 but I was working mostly with WIFI so cannot be sure there is a link.
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Hi.
The problem is solved, now for sure. Open Activesync in winmo,then menu/connections and uncheck "use usb ...". I removed too the partership between both sides althought It isnt important, I think...
Thanks Daniel. Good to know incase it happens again.
Today I am having the same issue...mmm, I dont know what else I can do. I will post the events I can see in the event's viewer....
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Today I am having the same issue...mmm, I dont know what else I can do. I will post the events I can see in the event's viewer....
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Hi Daniel - are you still having these problmes?
Hi. I didnt have that issue anymore. I removed the partership whith the device on vista side. I remove "Usb connection option" on activesync in both sides. I uninstalled "Remove NDIS Share connection" (Device Manager) on vista side and rebooted. Then on restart vista recognized again the device(Remove NDIS Shared connection) after some minutes(5-10 min) and then all worked correctly. I think the last step did the trick. But I am not free of problems. Like I told before when I resume the device and It was hibernated/suspended for a long time (several hours) the 20% of times It cant connect 3g and even I cant restart vista but keeping pressed the power button. So, by now, If my device is going to stay suspended for a long time (night) then I turn it off......
pd. When I need connect vista and snapvue I turn the phone off. I enable usb connection in both sides and use usbtools. After using the connection I undo these steps and all works correctly by now (last 3 weeks).
Ensure too that Vista hasnt setup a new Windows CE device on Device Manager. To check it open Device Manager, then "See devices by connection" and check each usb connection. If you see any Windows CE device disable it. I think both Remove NDIS Shared connection and a Windows CE Device was fighting for the same usb connection (In my case)
danielherrero said:
Hi. I didnt have that issue anymore. I removed the partership whith the device on vista side. I remove "Usb connection option" on activesync in both sides. I uninstalled "Remove NDIS Share connection" (Device Manager) on vista side and rebooted. Then on restart vista recognized again the device(Remove NDIS Shared connection) after some minutes(5-10 min) and then all worked correctly. I think the last step did the trick. But I am not free of problems. Like I told before when I resume the device and It was hibernated/suspended for a long time (several hours) the 20% of times It cant connect 3g and even I cant restart vista but keeping pressed the power button. So, by now, If my device is going to stay suspended for a long time (night) then I turn it off......
pd. When I need connect vista and snapvue I turn the phone off. I enable usb connection in both sides and use usbtools. After using the connection I undo these steps and all works correctly by now (last 3 weeks).
Ensure too that Vista hasnt setup a new Windows CE device on Device Manager. To check it open Device Manager, then "See devices by connection" and check each usb connection. If you see any Windows CE device disable it. I think both Remove NDIS Shared connection and a Windows CE Device was fighting for the same usb connection (In my case)
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OK, the only bit I hadnt tried was the uninstall of the NDIS in device manager. I'll give it a go and see what happens. Thanks again for this reply!
Thanks Daniel for your detailed description on this problem, which I also have. Interesting thing is that for me it only occurs when I am on the move with my Shift. No problems when my Shift remains on my desk (like others described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381220&page=2 )
On your described solution: I removed the Vista/Snapvue partnership and the usb connection on both sides. But I am not able to do the next step: "Remove NDIS Share connection" in device manager, because it's not there (see attached screenshot). Does this mean it was never there, so I do not have to uninstall it? Or is there a different way to find it?
Hi.
Reset Vista to ensure It boots correctly. Then wait to be 3g connected. Once you are connected the device "Remote NDIS shared connection" should be there under network cards. Then uninstall it and reset again. Once booted you have to wait several minutes until vista detects it again and installs drivers.....
pd. And try to contact HTC. Maybe (only maybe) if HTC is reported with same problem from many people they releases a fix.....
Hi there,
That did not help at all!
Waste of time.
But thanks for the hint.
What DID help for me was closing WMDC through taskmanager.
When you just exit WMDC, task manager still shows that it is running there in the background and apperantly scanning your ports for mobile devices ore something.
I stopped it from running and have a stable connection now.
(replying from train right now)
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi there,
That did not help at all!
Waste of time.
But thanks for the hint.
What DID help for me was closing WMDC through taskmanager.
When you just exit WMDC, task manager still shows that it is running there in the background and apperantly scanning your ports for mobile devices ore something.
I stopped it from running and have a stable connection now.
(replying from train right now)
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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Hi
Do you have to do this each time you start vista?
Cheers
firedup said:
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Do you have to do this each time you start vista?
Cheers
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I think you only have to do it after you used WMDC. On my shift it doesnot start at boot (not anymore...) If I want to sync shift or my kaiser, I need to startup WMDC manualy.
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah
My experiences so far.
Is it possible that it is the energy plan that is responsible for the loss of connection. I installed SP1, no problems it seemed. Today I wanted to use the 3G connection with the battery (balanced energy plan). And then it started to disconnect and to connect in small intervals. I did the routine Daniel described: uninstalled NDIS driver. Reinstalled it but connectivity problems remained.
Is it something to do with the battery powered system?
Because, as soon as stop using the battery, plugging in the power adapter again everything seems to be okay. I am not sure about it, but I think, when I use the max power option with the battery the connection stays and fails when I use the balanced energy plan.
So can it be that something in the energy plan is responsible for the loss of the connection?
Experts, does that make any sense?
I will give it some more tries.
S.
I had the High Performance powerplan on all the time......
had it to
Hi
This is a problem when sp1 is installed and you are using 3g in vista being in balanced or power save power plan. it has nothing to do with activesync and usb ports (i have never had a connection)
i called htc yesterday, they clamed they had never heard about it before, so please as many as possible call htc and tell them then maybe just maybe they would release a fix
in rhe meantime i uninstalled sp1 and everything works
In my case the solution is quite clear.
3G works in Balanced mode and in High Performance when power is plugged in. I am not so sure if it works in “Power Save” even when on power.
3G does not work when either on “Balanced” or “Power Save” when using the battery. Battery works in “High Performance” even when all the options are set like they are in “Balanced” mode.
This I found somewhere else in the forum. It is from Daniel and I guess he says the same, more of less.
Well. I ve been doing many tests and changes and I thing the sd, suspend crashes and 3g closed connections are gone.
I use equilibrated energy plan but I hadn’t any issue when ac connected so I ve modified this plan to make equivalent the behavior when not ac connected, but not success. The problems are still there. Its incredible because the configuration for ac connected/disconnected is the same I ve modified all the parameters (usb, expressPCI, , etc)
So I ve set High performance plan and I ve modified it a little bit, only screen brightness when no ac connected and now all works correctly. I start the system (no ac connected). Then I suspend / wake, hibernate/resume the system several times being ac no connected and the problems are gone. 3g connection is very stable. No crashes from standby to hibernate state. No sd missing problem. So by now I will keep in this "High Performance" modified state
pd. So It seems that a plan is compounded by customizable parameters by the user and hidden parameters)
Now, those who have not installed SP1. Is this really no issue for you? Or have you always been on power or always used “High Performance”?
Well, even when I plug in my external battery and the green light indicates that the machine has been plugged to power, even then it only works in “high performance” and not in the two other modes.
Very strange!
S.
Hallo everybody!
First of all let me thamk al the people that provided us hacks 'n triks to better ****f experience: you are all great!
Now comes the difficult part of my (first) post.
I succesfully "liberated" WM on SnapVue side and even after SP1 on Vista everything seems to work fine, except for some things I'm about to ask you.
1. Is there a reason why audio is always muted on Vista side after each reboot/hybernate? It's not a big problem to make some click here and there, but I would like to know if any other user has the same issue.
2. I'm realizing that "USBTools" works only with power plug inserted. Anyone has tried to solve this problem? (Pleas note: I've read that it can be solved by changing the energy settings on Vista, putting them on "Ok, guy: eat my battery", but it really drains battery power).
3. Problems with modem under Vista. I used to surf the web using WM/SnapVue as a USB modem, but this does'nt seem to work anymore (even if WM is connected to 3G and perfectly "surfing on PIE). So my question is: how do I make Vista use my SIM as a modem?
4. From FAQ there still doesn't seem to be a solution to storage card. Any new on this? By the way: is it normal that having no file in "My Document" folder in WM I only have 4 Mb of free space for documents (it means that I have more or less 32 Mb's of Documents used... without a document in it). I tryed to discover which folder was so memory-eater with MemMaid, and I only discovered that "Windows" is 100 and more Mb's heavy...
Thank you for any hint you can give me on this
I'm really grateful to this forum for fixing all my post-SP1 issues. I recognise your point 3. Some top chaps on this forum regognised that the shift has to left in high performance power setting for the modem to stay 100% reliable. you can also create additional power settings, based on the high performance setting, and then you can edit all of the options to be the same as balanced and power saver, giving you modem reliability and battery life.
2. The above should fix this too, although I also disable the modem from control to ensure a 100% reliable connection.
Thanks to the chaps who came up with these solutions.
Some updates (or better: new questions).
Internet connection in Vista now goes through WM side, and I'm still waiting for a solution to that. But the point is: whyt can't I sync my files while surfing? I mean: I'm correctly connected to WM as I'm surfing (if I "disconnect" using USBTools internet connection disappears), but in Sync Center my "device" is disconnected and so I can't syn infos. Should I usually turn off modem in order to get sync?
Thank everybody!!!
Hello guies! PLS help!!!! I have a problem with internet conn. on vista side on my shift. it presents on snapview and works normally. but on vista side dispate of presense of 3g in connection centre, no internet connection is appear. I made hard reset of vista by f3 in boot regime hard reset of snapview but no results. Tell me pls what's wrong. how can i correct this
3G Connection Issues
I am not an expert, however, now feel like one after my experience with Shift.
Have you liberated Shift? If yes, you need to attach using USB Tool and connect via Internet Sharing
Are you using multiple SIM Cards, if yes, I found having 1 connection seem to work best
In the other posts, make sure you use high performance on battery settings with using battery
dave3211
Patience... patience...
Sometimes it's REALLY GOOD to wait a minute or 3 before one must conclude that stiff ain't working...
If all goes well, I must wait some 90 seconds after booting Vista, to get 3G network passed from WinMo to Vista.
I NEVER run the USB TOOL ever !! I do get internet from WinMo just like that. Even the liberated version does it by itself....
When in Vista: Open Control Center (button on top right of front face)
Tap on MODEM icon
After a few seconds or so you should see in top right of control cent window that you have connection to H/3G/E etc etc - one of those at least and the modem will now say ON and be annotated with the carriers name
HTH
Hi.
I understand that they are connected through an USB connection.
What I don´t understand is why we have to use USBTool to connect ActiveSync or any other thing.
Isn´t the connection already stablished for the modem? I surely don´t have to do anything for Vista to use the modem, and vista can see the state of the modem connection without using USBTool.
Any idea on this?
Daniel
dproldan said:
Hi.
I understand that they are connected through an USB connection.
What I don´t understand is why we have to use USBTool to connect ActiveSync or any other thing.
Isn´t the connection already stablished for the modem? I surely don´t have to do anything for Vista to use the modem, and vista can see the state of the modem connection without using USBTool.
Any idea on this?
Daniel
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The USBTool lets RNDIS to work, Otherwise Vista side sees WinMo as a modem not as a Windows Mobile. You turn off Windows Mobile, you would not see the modem running. And if you turn off USBTool, you would not see the Windows Mobile synched.
Thanks
Ram
saiweb said:
The USBTool lets RNDIS to work, Otherwise Vista side sees WinMo as a modem not as a Windows Mobile.
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No - USBTool is *not* required for RNDIS and Vista never sees the WinMo side as a modem.
Regards,
Dave
Hi,
I have read, tried, and seen for myself.
If you use the modem in Vista and then disconnect the modem, for a short while, WM IS visible in Vista and WMDC CAN connect.
This situation only lasts a short while however. Not enough time to sync, but long enough to copy a small file or two.
So, that means.... what?
I don't know, but I guess that it must be possible to connect to WM without switching to WM, and run USB-tool...
That would be nice.
However, this is just a very small inconvenience (compared with no SD etc.)
I, for one, am glad that USB-tool works
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
i 'm completly agree with you about SD limitation !
where is the one who will liberate SD acces from WM side of the Shift
where is he
lol
;-)
Does the software that comes with the phone ( on i cdrom or dvd) work on OS X or is it windows only.
thanks
theFloo said:
Does the software that comes with the phone ( on i cdrom or dvd) work on OS X or is it windows only.
thanks
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No it won't run on OS X. I use a Macbook with mine using Missing Sync which works very well for getting your contacts and calendars on the device. Everything else I put on manually or if desperate run VMWare windows emulation and activesync.
Missing Sync is here http://www.markspace.com/.
Hope that helps.
And if there is an .exe file you can run windows on your mac just to run those files (if you cant find the cab).
The best way to sync your HD with Mac is using exchange. You can goto mail2web to get a free account there and follow the instructions there to setup your Active Sync. I am now auto sync with Entourage all the time and it is free
I use syncmate. Works great for me http://mac.eltima.com/sync-mac.html
Says you only get a 30 day free trial on that site (mail2web) for hook up. $14.95 a month, or did i miss something (i hope)
Guys what do you do with .exe files? How do you install them?
Go back to the site and get a cab, or google for one, when you (someone on Windows) installs the program the cab can be copied and kept. Some kind souls post these where Google can find them.
Kangburra said:
Go back to the site and get a cab, or google for one, when you (someone on Windows) installs the program the cab can be copied and kept. Some kind souls post these where Google can find them.
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I can see your point!
i have a question....am considering a Macbook Pro, deal breaker would be if Internet Sharing on Touch HD didn't work on the Macbook, i want Macbook for travel and need THD to provide the internet access
so, does it work?
You can set up a portion of your mac to run windows.
you mean dual boot or what? and that's a no on OSX Internet Sharing?
damn
I haven't tried this myself as I haven't needed to run windows but you can try this, its free...
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/virtualbox-running-windows-on-a-mac-for-free-sort-of/
that looks like a messy work around for a very basic thing :/ i'll rather go with Vaio SR then and avoid having to install guest OS just to get online :/
but if someone could tell me what happens when they plug in Touch HD into a Macbook and press Internet Sharing Connect it would be kinda helpful
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that looks like a messy work around for a very basic thing :/ i'll rather go with Vaio SR then and avoid having to install guest OS just to get online :/
but if someone could tell me what happens when they plug in Touch HD into a Macbook and press Internet Sharing Connect it would be kinda helpful
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I don't think it should be a problem at all as long as you set up on the Macbook and HD. I can't try it because I don't use dial up any more. These are the set up dialogues you get when you select Internet Sharing after plugging in USB to the Macbook.
same as on pc, next step is to press that connect at the bottom and laptop should connect to net via TouchHD....it's not dial-up, it's using your 3G data package for net on laptop
on pc i plug it in, get that dialog, press connect and it says "checking usb connection" and then "connected", laptop network icon says "Network: Internet Access" :/
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You can set up a portion of your mac to run windows.
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That's exactly what I do: I have a MacBook Pro with Boot Camp and in the second partition I installed WIndows XP just to do what I can't with OS X.
suisen said:
same as on pc, next step is to press that connect at the bottom and laptop should connect to net via TouchHD....it's not dial-up, it's using your 3G data package for net on laptop
on pc i plug it in, get that dialog, press connect and it says "checking usb connection" and then "connected", laptop network icon says "Network: Internet Access" :/
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Ok yes sorry I don't have a sim card in Blackstone. This is what I got using Diamond 2. I couldn't find the settings on the Mac to connect though. It is time consuming at the moment so will look at it later. I am sure it will work.
Yes it does work and have made connection. You must use Bluetooth and connect to the device from computer first then connect to Internet Sharing. Finding the settings and connecting is a bit fiddly on the computer but it does definitely work. USB does not seem to work at all. Let me know if you need anything else.
no, that was all i needed to know, thanks if BT connection works, it'll do, and it gives me hope i'll be able to convince it to use usb as well
Macbook is supposed to be my second/travel toy, so net access is the only HTC related thing i need....i'm sure i could flash from it if i wanted to, and i don't use WMDC or Activesync anyway so i won't miss that, MS MyPhone is net based and practical :/