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Does anyone experience the free program memory problems in XDA Mini? In my case, after a day of usage, the memory reduce to 14 mb, when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 24 mb, means I need to soft reset every days?
Note: normally I use the phone, Pocket Informant (calendar, contacts) and sms only.
Instead of doing soft reset, just go into:
Settings - System - Memory - (Running Programs tab).
You'll probably find a lot of open programs there. Close them.
Seems to be a major design fault in the Windows Mobile OS. But then again this is product from Microsoft we are talking about - not exactly a shock that they would, without hesitation, release software with such a major failing.
I think what IvorNeo 2 means is that even without any active programs, the storage/program memory will become very low over time. This has happened to me as well. With only Activesync and Batmon 2 active, memory level fell to sub-500K level and phone needed a soft-reset to regain functionality. Phone was not in use at the time (charging).
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
i have the same problem
in my s100 , the memory reduce to 19 mb,after 2 or 3 days when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 27 mb
mhtay
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
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Very nice , if someone can solve this bug
Regards
For me there are are 3 reasons why memory starts to decline:
Activesync eats up about 3MB each time you sync up and though it returns some when you kill the app it does not return the entire amount
html cache files when I surf with the device - gotta empty these along with the cookies...etc
duplicate processes and notification ques that pile up when you soft-reset the device. Over time these tiny bytes add up.
There's no fix for the main culprit of the memory loss - Activesync, maybe newer versions won't be so bad.
the same problem to me, I`m nor sure if it`s beacuse of aactive sync
This happens to my girlfriend's Mini and she does not browse nor does she use Activesync. Also I installed a program to get rid of the duplicate ques. In theory then she should not lose memory but she still does. It is just how Windows works....when you use programs you never get back 100% of the memory upon closing. Soft resets are just a necessary evil with Windows.
The latest version of SKTools has an additional neat feature to free-up RAM.
sk tools very useful program
but even this one works not so good as a soft reset.
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
I have quite a lot of programs installed, most of them in Storage and TT5.x in SD card. Most DLL's also in Storage. I set my Prog Storage memory to 6.5-7 MB and I have over 30 MB for programs after applying SKTools FreeUp RAM utility.
rustoss said:
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
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Isn't this a smartphone software? Will it work on wm5?
find out!
for magician good solution
@rustoss,
does this little applet close the running processes automatically once exitted?
thanx
hibernate.exe emulate filling memory till 90% & then system trying to clean possible RAM by itself i think so, i know exactly this action do the SKtools's freeupRAM, noone prog or process cannot be terminated by both.
closeapps.exe can!
a question about the topic: Rustoss do u have posted any prog here? because I'm not seeing it if it is
MocciJ
No, just put
Hey
I am new to the Universal, very new. Infact, I just got it today! After using an Alpine since it came out, I gotta say this brick is really kewl.
Just one thing, the specs say it has 64mb RAM and 128MB ROM. But looking in control panel, the Storage Memory is 43.50MB (not even close to the 128MB) and the Program Memory is a respectable 49MB. So where's it all gone? Or am I missing something?
Apart from this, I have one other major complaint. If I leave it on for a while doing nothing, it becomes extremely sluggish when I start using it again. I check the memory usage and suddenly I see 20mb of my program memory has 'vanished'. Memory Leak?
Please enlighten me.
Cheers Dudes
Come on People.......Help us newbies out
I really got no idea about WM5. Even a link to explain all this would be helpful
Please......
Cheers Dudes
There was a very good reply about this on MSDN sites. I remember seeing it on a RSS feed.
Anyways the long and short of it is that the OS (+ customisations by the operator) take up between 70 & 80 Mb, the rest is then available as storage.
As for the RAM, the radio and XIP modules are the culprits in this case.
The start of the article could be found on http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
moghisi101 said:
Come on People.......Help us newbies out
I really got no idea about WM5. Even a link to explain all this would be helpful
Please......
Cheers Dudes
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Dude
if you had taken the time to read any of the forums since the release of the device, you will find hundreds of discussions on this, try looking around as some of us have answered these questions just to many time already, given the number of discussions, and your newbie status, you will find 98% of your answers and 90% of the answers you going to ask in the next few weeks, already well and truly discussed and exhausted.
s.
Ok, cheers dudes. I'll have a look around, but the search function on this forums is useless. You have to resort to browsing 100s of pages.
Anyhowz, I aint a complete n00b. I've had an Alpine for ages and had uber customised it to the last byte. Is the way the extended rom works similar to what I had on the Alpine?
Thanks again
Ok, cheers dudes. I'll have a look around, but the search function on this forums is useless. You have to resort to browsing 100s of pages.
Anyhowz, I aint a complete n00b. I've had an Alpine for ages and had uber customised it to the last byte. Is the way the extended rom works similar to what I had on the Alpine?
Thanks again
no, the search function is not useless, but you need to use SENSIBLE and descriptive search terms, otherwise you will get crap.
The Universal comes with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM as compared to its predecessors who had the exact opposite.
The 128MB ROM is divided into 2 parts:
1) OS + Extended ROM (around 84MB)
2) Storage (remaining 43.5MB as shown above
The 64MB RAM is 90% available to run programs. As with the earlier version of the OS, there is no longer a provision to alter the memory allocated between storage and program memory. Of the 64MB RAM, around 15MB RAM is used for running the OS while the rest (47.93 MB) is left for running installed programs. This is more than enough to do multi-tasking without hiccups.
Hope this helps If you still have any queries about it, please feel free to ask.
Hi all,
just got my new qtek9000 and, after reading some of the excelent posts on this forum, found out that by disabling the cache of the file system (setting EnableCache to 0 in registry for FATFS) concerning both the extended rom and the sd card I could get back some RAM memory which was being taken for that effect - almost 5 MB.
Does anybody know if setting the EnableCache to 0 for the IMGFS can also be done without harming the system? It is taking another 8 MB and I would prefer to have them for running programs rather than for a very small gain in speed with that cache ... the thing is that I am not quite sure what the IMGFS stands for.
Thanks a lot.
Been doing research on how memory works in WM5. Very interesting stuff. I have a 2GB Mini-SD which I put most of my apps on in hope of being able to maximize my program performance. Is there a way to increase the amount of Program RAM the device uses?
MemMaid looks like it supports re-allocating available Storage RAM to Program RAM, but the slider doesn't move. I guess it was only for WM2k3
Is there a way in WM5?
thanks,
casemon
casemon said:
Been doing research on how memory works in WM5. Very interesting stuff. I have a 2GB Mini-SD which I put most of my apps on in hope of being able to maximize my program performance. Is there a way to increase the amount of Program RAM the device uses?
MemMaid looks like it supports re-allocating available Storage RAM to Program RAM, but the slider doesn't move. I guess it was only for WM2k3
Is there a way in WM5?
thanks,
casemon
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You can't relocate anything from WM5 RAM because it's not used for storing files any more. Therefore, the 'traditional' ways of relocating stuff are simply not needed.
You can only play with what Today plug-ins you have, what apps you use (for example, Web browsers have very different memory consumption at rendering pages), what apps you auto-start. That's the only way to have some influence on the RAM usage of your WM5 device.
If you have a look around on yahoo there are some sites where u can have the RAM upgraded to 128mb instead of 64mb. Last time i checked though it cost around £140 and you also have to send ya phone off for 2 weeks for them to do it.
hello every one...
is there any effective program that's free up RAM
thanks in advance......
azzambm said:
hello every one...
is there any effective program that's free up RAM
thanks in advance......
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QuickMenu 2.7 Its brilliant i have replaced oxios and just about any taskmanager you can think of
sktools is very good at it
SKTools FreeUP RAM
The FreeUP RAM function of SKTools. I use it daily. Eventually have to soft reset every couple of days to gain back all RAM, however.
Free memory with Oxios
I use Oxios Close Apps 1.4, very fast. The thing I don't like about SKtools is the big window it opens with SKtools logo... it's too ugly. Pocket Mechanic is very good too, but there is no single tap link to free memory, so I have to run the software, pick some options before start the free routine: boring. But is the most effective of all.
Oxios Close Apps/Hibernate - the best. Just assign them to your hard key using HButton whenever you want to release RAM.
thanks ericksonlk, EazyVG
Oxios is really good and has a tiny small size
thanks again
Memmaid is the best.
Are progs like this really usefull?
I mean is there any differnece in speed?
Can't really belive they make any differences!
about "Oxios Hibernate" after I run it.
If I toggle the screen OFF it won't turned ON again
why ????
JamesAllen said:
The FreeUP RAM function of SKTools. I use it daily. Eventually have to soft reset every couple of days to gain back all RAM, however.
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STools also have scheduler function to running FreeUP RAM.
ericksonlk said:
I use Oxios Close Apps 1.4, very fast. The thing I don't like about SKtools is the big window it opens with SKtools logo... it's too ugly. Pocket Mechanic is very good too, but there is no single tap link to free memory, so I have to run the software, pick some options before start the free routine: boring. But is the most effective of all.
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It seems, you not know all FreeUP RAM functions of SKTools. You can take a look in shortcut manager.
PaY87 said:
Are progs like this really usefull?
I mean is there any differnece in speed?
Can't really belive they make any differences!
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absolutely. I've been using Oxios for a while now, and the Hibernate function reallty makes a difference. I often free up 2-3Mb when I run it, and it often makes the difference between out of memory errors and programs running.
it's worth cooking into a ROM (hint-hint) and I should probably look at ways to have it auto-run at times, but Hibernate is in my Start Menu.
To the original question about speed: No freeing RAM has no impact on speed in and of itself, but since you are freeing up RAM for running apps you can run possibly more apps at once without an error or windows trying to manage the available memory, which could cause some response issues.
Since there is no push Internet and TouchFlo is only 5% of the mem usage. Anyone know why this phone uses more mem on boot than TP2? I have been poking around running apps and haven't found a hog yet.
Anyone else find any app using a large amount of memory?
You can install the proxy for the cdma touch pro 2 (Rhodium) and it will cut the memory down to about 50% usage. I noticed that mine was running in the mid 70's so I started experimenting with Touch Pro 2 stuff since that 's what I had before and the .cab's were still on my memory card.
Hey guys,
I'm new to the website. Just got my Imagio and liking most of the features. Can you tell me where I can find this .cab file you're talking about. I looked through the touch pro 2 threads but couldn't find anything.
Thanks for the help
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=85996&highlight=disable+push+internet
These 2 cabs worked for me reduced mem usage from 70s to 50s
Read their entire thread, seemed harmless, and installed both cabs. I went from 70% to 50% with no negatives yet. I don't even see the slow Opera loads that the thread mentions. Thanks for the link!
Maybe the pagepool is set too high and/or the freaking MediaFlo service is always running (almost 600Kb worth of precious memory)
Worked for me as well. Thanks for the help
I am never going to use media flo. Hopefully we can find a way to strip it out of the Imagio.
I did install the SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy.cab which recovered some RAM. The Imagio does still seem slightly slower than the TP2, probably just 6.5 vs 6.1.
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I did install the SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy.cab which recovered some RAM. The Imagio does still seem slightly slower than the TP2, probably just 6.5 vs 6.1.
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i doubt it since i just saw a post at engadget mentioning that 6.5 is noticeably snappier on the same hardware vs. 6.1. i believe they were speaking in reference to the Leo though so it's not an apples to apples comparison.
I had both devices, the TP2 is definitely a little quicker. The leo/hd2 is obviously a different animal all together.
The mem fix for the Imagio is temporary, after a day it is back in the 80's% utilization w/o a reset. The proxy was the same for the TP2, except the disabling the push internet provided some permanent relief. I'm sure once it is unlocked and roms are cooked things will get better.
So when/how does this cooking process begin? Does it take a long time to get a stripped-down Rom?
That VCast Mobile TV Icon is really bugging me, and I'm sure its just eating away at my memory. I also really don't need all that other VCast/Mobile IM/VZNavigator junk that they put on there to increase monthly fees.
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So when/how does this cooking process begin? Does it take a long time to get a stripped-down Rom?
That VCast Mobile TV Icon is really bugging me, and I'm sure its just eating away at my memory. I also really don't need all that other VCast/Mobile IM/VZNavigator junk that they put on there to increase monthly fees.
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I think an Unlocker is being worked on, or needs to be worked on before any ROM cooking is possible. Depending on whether anyone has an Imagio they are able to toy with in this regard and how knowledgeable they are, it could be tomorrow or months before we see this happen. I'm hoping it will be sooner than later of course. =)
You can remove the Verizon programs by deleting them out of the programs files directory then going into the windows/start menu directory delete the shortcuts. It will free up around 20-25mb.
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MediaFLO
modclient
V CAST Videos
VVM
VVMStart
I installed this one "SSK TP2 Dynamic Resource Proxy.cab", but what does the other cab file do and where I can I find it.
After installing both of those programs, my memory usage is down in the low-fifities. Of course, it slowly creeps up throughout the day. But at least now, the creep is from 50--> 70 rather than 60-->80.
Boss428man said:
You can remove the Verizon programs by deleting them out of the programs files directory then going into the windows/start menu directory delete the shortcuts. It will free up around 20-25mb.
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MediaFLO
modclient
V CAST Videos
VVM
VVMStart
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This will simply free up storage space on the device ROM, not RAM correct? Or does removing these mean that less is loaded into RAM at startup? And do you get any startup error messages when you soft reset after doing this?
Now i could be wrong but I don't think any of them load to ram unless you actually run them. But yes that will only remove them from the storage memory.
My previous Verizon Diamond used even more memory then the Imagio % wise. I actually feel the Imagio is pretty good with ram by comparison. The crappy thing with my old phone was the storage would fill up with only the basics installed so I had to remove every VZ programs just to keep it from being totaly filled.
I really think touchflo uses a lot of memory combined with emails, sms, and the dialer and any other dormant software you have scheduled to run. That is just my take on it.
I've been playing with my imagio pretty much all weekend and I notice the amount of memory being used too. Mine hangs around 74 to 75 percent with TouchFlo 3d enabled. I noticed that once I disabled TouchFlo 3d my memory usage dropped to 65 percent. I'm thinking TouchFlo 3d is using roughly 10% of the ram.
I've installed the SSK TP2 cab and reset the phone, the memory usage is at about 52%. Without launching any apps, it slowly increases over a few hours and tops out in the mid to upper 70s. I reset and it's back down to the 50s.
I will say that as far as general usability, i don't notice any slowdowns in touchflo or other apps when its in the 70s. It's more the principal of wanting to run it as lean as possible, maybe gain a few minutes of extra juice