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Memory loss :-/

Can somebody tell me why, over a couple of days of normal use, my memory drops from 17MB free for programs to about 2MB free, even though I have stopped all applications?
The only way to get it back is to do a soft reset.
If it didn't do this, I could probably live quite happily without mucking about with a big ROM or whatever.
DaveH

By the sounds of things you need a program that actually CLOSES programs. Normally WM2003 will just minimise when you hit the X button, making them quicker to open next time, but it means you have heaps of programs open at once, taking away from the ram.
SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance and a few freeware programs will take care of this problem for ya. I have Wisbar and only ever soft reset if a program crashes and locks the thing up which isn't very often at all (perhaps once a fortnight or maybe a little more often than that.)

jimmy-bish said:
By the sounds of things you need a program that actually CLOSES programs. Normally WM2003 will just minimise when you hit the X button, making them quicker to open next time, but it means you have heaps of programs open at once, taking away from the ram.
SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance and a few freeware programs will take care of this problem for ya. I have Wisbar and only ever soft reset if a program crashes and locks the thing up which isn't very often at all (perhaps once a fortnight or maybe a little more often than that.)
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I also have SPB Pocketplus, but that doesn't solve the problem. After a soft reset I have about 21 Mb of program storage. After running programs like Contacts, the Phone, Calender and closing them (really closing them!) I have about 18 Mb left. I heard this is a common problem with 2002/2003/2003SE. So in my opinion the only solution is to softreset your PDA every few days...
You can use tools like Memmaid to view your running processes. There you can see that, after closing your applications, some (always running) processes have grown bigger!

memory loss
i have the similar problem under universal wm2005, my available memory slowly reduces or doesnt fully recover after each interaction, until it winds down to a slow machine, a soft reset fixes, but still frustrating that it has to be done. I have SPB 3.0, and it still occurs.

Sounds like thereś a program installed on your devices that has a memory leak. I´ve had my phone going without a soft reset for well over a week now and I have 29.1mb left as program memory. When I soft reset I start out with 29.8mb.

jimmy-bish said:
Sounds like thereś a program installed on your devices that has a memory leak. I´ve had my phone going without a soft reset for well over a week now and I have 29.1mb left as program memory. When I soft reset I start out with 29.8mb.
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???
According to the amount of threads I've read about this subject I think your device is quite unique. Is phone the only application you are using? Anyway, cherish your device! (I'm not cynical...)

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even though u guys close all ur apps there r some hidden task running which takes the memory i had cexperience in which there was task manager if u see properly u will get lots of program taking up all ur memory in that u can even end task those programs

memory loss
Any actual task managers that can be located for WM2005 so that I shut down some of the running tasks would be great, any ideas on:
1. A good product to use
2. Which are "good" tasks which must be kept and which are "bad" tasks which can be shut down?

My phone's not unique in any way. I used to have the same problem for the first few months of having my phone. I then did the big storage hack, cleared up everything in main memory that wasn't need, the usual memory enhancing stuff discussed on the forum.
Now I'm really tight as to what programs stay on my phone. Anything takes away from the memory and it's gone unless it's an essential app. Not one thing is stored to main memory and these programs are what I have installed:
Wisbar Advance (latest release)
Wisbar Advance Desktop (0.7 Beta)
Resco File Explorer 5.13
psShutdownXP
Pocket Artist (trial, getting rid of it soon)
Pocket Earth (waste of space, getting rid of it)
Who wants to be a Millionaire
Ziogolf 2
PDAwin Spot
Tennis Addict
Virtual Pool Mobile
Flux Challenge
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the sotrage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
Like I said, I used to have memory leaks and from what I could tell at the time SPB Pocket Plus 2.5 was the main culprit for me, dunno what version 3 is like. Voice command is also a killer.

jimmy-bish said:
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the storage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
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You mean, you installed all these programs on Storage Card of Storage? How did you do that?
As most programs will automatically install in Program Files in main storage...

try sktools for some hardcore cleaning up.
V

pietrucci said:
jimmy-bish said:
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the storage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
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You mean, you installed all these programs on Storage Card of Storage? How did you do that?
As most programs will automatically install in Program Files in main storage...
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When you run the install program on your PC, it will ask if you want to install them in the default location. Say "No", and select the storage card as the location.
However, some programs won't work on a storage card (especially memory managers, Today plug-ins, etc). If you are installing from a CAB file directly on your PDA, it will automatically install to main memory. There are applications to fix cab files, but I have never tried them.

HI!
I was facing the same problem. My memory would go down from 22 MB to about 9 MB and once I did a soft reset it would again go up to 22 MB. I realised that the culprit was Battery Pack Pro v. 2.0. I had Battery Pack Pro v. 1.1.1 installed on my Mini and it was absolutley fine but the problem started only when I upgraded to BPP v. 2.0. I communicated with the developers of BPP - OmegaOne but they couldnt offer a solution so they refunded the money I had paid for it. Since the time I have downgraded to BPP v. 1.1.1 the Mini is working fine and no memory leak whatsoever.

I don't have BPP but I do have the following: Maybe we could find a common link to all the machines with memory leakage,
Dinarsoft MemMaid
Spb Weather (was Marsware Weatherpanel but lost even MORE memory)
TCPMP (shouldn't be that as I hardly ever use it)
Richard L. Owens FILEASFL
vCard send and receive
CDL Orange customisation
.NET pocket framework
Pocket Blox Aqua Calc
Spb Stardock Weather skin
Hudson Mobile Phone Dashboard
Spb GPRS monitor
Spb Full Screen Keyboard
ZingMagic Backgammon
Climbwalls JB Piano (not used much)
Tom Tom 3
TomTom GPS
CheckPOInt
Any thought on those apps?

How many program memory do you have after fresh soft reset?

At fresh soft reset, I've left with about 23mb program memory, and after a day of normal use, it will drop to 12~15mb and I have to perform a soft reset almost daily in the morning.
Activesync itself is taking up a lots of resources, and I'm using MemMaid/O2 Plus etc to close running apps. Is there better way to release the memory or do we really have to put up with this?

Mine is an i-mate Jasjar. After a fresh soft reset I see exactly 25.2 MB. Note that I have sbp pocket plus installed so at start up my guess is that it is using 3 MB. So if I didn't have pocket plus maybe my memory was 28 MB after a soft reset.
As for the memory drop with usage I find it depends upon what program I use. In my case I find Bitstream's Thunderhawk a real RAM killer. If I browse with thunderhawk for even half an hour my memory drops to around 12 MB. On the other hand the other more commonly used program for me is Planmaker. No matter how much I use it this almost does not effect the RAM and once I have closed Planmaker I almost recover all my RAM that I had prior to its usage.
However this is a general concern that various programs steal away the RAM at different levels which I believe should not be so. Once a program is closed theoratically I should get back all my RAM.
Regards

The only thing installed on my internal memory are: Pocket Mechanic, MemMaid, CabInstl, and Handy Menu.
After a soft reset I have 30.34 MB memory to begin with. The lowest I got with a whole days work is about 17 MB. I don't use any closing application because I want Windows Mobile 5 to do what it is supposed to do in handling memory. It was made for a reason, isn't it? This is where HandyMenu becomes useful as it has a shortcut that leads you to Start>Settings>Memory>Running Programs in just a few presses. I've remapped the contacts button to launch HandyMenu anytime and in any application. From here, I can decide which program I want to close or just "close all". The rest of my programs are installed in my 4GB SD card. The huge memory hogger that I noticed is TCPMP which I use to play my MP3 collections. I still have to learn how to convert my DVDs so I can use it to view my movies. I actually want to add a function to the windows button that launches the start menu. I want it to also launch HandyMenu if I press and hold on it. But sadly the press and hold option is alloted to only one button at the moment (Button 4) which I have configured to lauch MemMaid's Quick clean. This way it won't be easily or accidentally lauched without my approval.
So far I have not performed a soft reset for 5 days, so I am very happy. This is my first Pocket PC and I am highly satisfied. From now on, the only device I will buy is a smart phone with a keyboard similar to the HTC Universal, so I hope the next device to follow this would even have a better keyboard implementation.

on qtek 9000 and rom jasjar wwe after soft reset i have 30,53 mb and 25,96

++++ We are solving Universal's memory leak problem... ++++

Bigface title to a not sure method, but with hoping success for the object.
I think everybody is fighting with this nerve-racking memory bug in wm5+vga+universal thing.
Me too.
Very very hard.
I'm very angry with this statement.
I bought the newest, most professional PDA with the oldest, most amateur speed.
It is not new for anybody, I'm sure.
I've opened this topic to solve this *******, because I think ROMupgrade is coming very slow.
I tried hundreds of different things to keep my RAM's free memory and get my Jasjar/MDApro/Exec more speed.
I'd like to share my experience to you and I'd like you to share your experience to us, to understand why does it happen.
OK....so.....
1) My first and biggest remark in this theme:
gwes.exe (this is a system process, which is runnig continously with the system to let us using functions of our device)
It is runnig with the following modules: (on my device, it is not sure all on yours too, but I think almost)
lrgwesex.dll
touch.dll
commctrl.dll.0409.mui
commctrl.dll
aygshell.dll
keybddr.dll
ddi.dll
toolhelp.dll
gwes.exe.0409.mui
toolhelp.dll
ceddk.dll
coredll.dll.0409.mui
ossvcs.dll
ole32.dll
coredll.dll
So...this gwes.exe starts with the system after a soft reset taking about 6MB RAM memory.
If you are watching carefully, when your RAM is getting less this gwes.exe is getting bigger.
In one of my examples after a soft reset I had 24MB free memory, and when I had just something like 4MB I checked the running services.
And you know what???
gwes.exe was using by then 19.5MB from the memory!!!!!!!!!!!
So I think when you start an application, system files are using more memory with applications, but when you close the application you have just more with the memory using by this application but less with the memory using by the system with this application.
I'm not sure with this, but i'm sure there is a big problem with this gwes.exe service.
I found more processes (device.exe, filesys.exe, cprog.exe, shell32.exe, repllog.exe) which are doing something the same but not that much than gwes.exe.
So if somebody has some reflections about this write it down to us!
2) A lot of people say there is a hack in the registry / storage manager cache keys which we increase, system will operate with higher speed.
I'm not sure now.
I tried a lot with different keys, and my suggestion is totally the opposite than that: when I set different cache keys (glyphcache, storage cahes...) to zero the system eats less memory and something the same with the speed.
Interesting.
I don't have exact results in these points, but thinking about somewhere here the answers.
Please help us to find the solution together to solve this irritating bug!
Sorry for my english, I'm hungarian.
THX
Tuningszöcske (It is in english something like Tuning-Grasshoper)

Here are my results ...
After Reset
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gwes 6.49 MB
filesys 1.86 MB
shell32 1.95 MB
cprog 2.12 MB
device 1.46 MB
services 215 KB
connmgr 91 KB
After Bloating
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gwes 12.7 MB
filesys 2.7 MB
shell32 2.39 MB
cprog 2.12 MB
device 2.3 MB
repllog 555 KB
services 407 KB
connmgr 111 KB
GWES really does bloat up a lot over time. Did a search on the net and it appears to be graphics related ...

It's good to see other's same results.
I'm searching for the answers countinously too...

I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.

I also want to know why........
After the reset, my machine has around 20M left and after a while, only 11M left and that's last for quite a long time. I have no experience that the memory is only around 4M....
Cheers,

chtan said:
I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.
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Are you using the stock machine without all the tweaks ? I mean have you applied optimizations like cache settings, etc ?
I'm just wondering if it might have something to do with some of the changes we made to improve performance :?

The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"

Wiz said:
The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"
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Hmmm, you would think that Microsoft would be smart enough to put in some checks to automatically release the memory used by a an application after it closes :?
I don't blame the universal, the hardware is fine and I'm quite happy with it. I do however blame Microsoft. WM5 is just soooo slow. If I didn't do all the performance tweaks that's been discussed here, I don't think I can live with this device. You have to understand that I come from using 3 generations of Palm devices previously, and even though they are using much slower processors, they are waaay more responsive than WM5.
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:

christan said:
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:
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I have been making the same point - M$ should know better and memory management is not bleeding egde tech. My Symbian devices have rock solid memory management, they just keep running for weeks and months without the need for a reset. For a US$1000 we should expect better quality all round. Lets hope in te next 6 months we finally get what we paid for.

jah said:
christan said:
The last Palm I used was the Sony Clie NX70. I used it for 2 years without having to do ROM upgrades, etc. and it worked just fine. One would think that given the number of years that Microsoft had to improve WM, that they would be able to do a better job. As it is now, I'm finding all kinds of weird bugs all over.
Well, I'm just frustrated, sorry for ranting :lol:
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I have been making the same point - M$ should know better and memory management is not bleeding egde tech. My Symbian devices have rock solid memory management, they just keep running for weeks and months without the need for a reset. For a US$1000 we should expect better quality all round. Lets hope in te next 6 months we finally get what we paid for.
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I sure hope someone here can figure out a hack to fix this soon, cause as it is now, I'm having to soft reset at least once a day, quite often more.
Can any users here who are NOT experiencing the memory leak issues come forward ? I think we would all like to know what we're doing differently that might be causing the memory leaks ...

chtan said:
I never have a memory issue with my dopod900, even after a week of usage with various games and application, the memory still remain around 22++M. Will try to check up the result and post it here.
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Hi chtan!
Is it possible to ask you to backup your registry to a file and upload here?
Just to see what is different in your system than ours.
And which is your ROM and ExtendedROM version?
THX

Hint
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..

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hdubli said:
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..
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Yes, you are right.
This is a secondary option to solve this problem.
But I don't know any application for pocket pc which does RAM-compression.
Do you know one?

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Tuningszocske said:
hdubli said:
Hi Guys,
The above phenomenon is due to the reason that now we all have data in the flash memory.I was using earlier Nokia Symbian phones, viz 6600,9500...in all these the same used to happen and I had to restart the device...but there are 3rd party softwares, which compress the RAM if the above thing happens and we are at the initital full RAM memory w/o restarting the device...like Stacker, Switcher etc...similarly we also have "Place Maker" for Smart Phones...to do the same...someone can try this app...or someone can make an app to do the same...I hope this gives some light to solve this problem..
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Yes, you are right.
This is a secondary option to solve this problem.
But I don't know any application for pocket pc which does RAM-compression.
Do you know one?
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By RAM compression, do you mean an active app that runs in the background to automatically compress stuff in RAM then decompress stuff in the RAM on-the-fly when used ?
If it is what I think it is, I don't think RAM compression is the way to go unless there is absolutely no other solution, cause compression-decompression will have a significant performance impact.
I think it's more important to get to the root of the problem

NO.
There are many applications for PC which make the RAM free from unused services, applications, files...
Using this method, you don't need to restart your machine.
It worth it for me to push a button or a shortcut to free the memory without a softreset.

Tuningszocske said:
NO.
There are many applications for PC which make the RAM free from unused services, applications, files...
Using this method, you don't need to restart your machine.
It worth it for me to push a button or a shortcut to free the memory without a softreset.
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Opps, I misunderstood the use of the term "Compression" there ...
Yes, if someone can come up with an app that can "clean" up the RAM, that would be good too

Wiz said:
The issue is partially duie to Microsoft, but also partially due to 3rd party developers. I know for a fact that a lot of developers do not bother to have their applications issue defragment or compact instructions to the operating system after closing. They take up place and resources in the memory heap but do not "give them back" after they close.
You can blame the Universal as much as you want, but in my opinion it's one hell of a machine that had the misfortune to be the first officially released WM5 machine out there. Microsoft is indeed working on speed, stability and other issues form their end (the latest O2 Exec rom is by far the fastest and most stable ROM there is), but the developers need to do their bit as well and start working on their program's behaviour.
"If a kid does not tidy up his room, it's likely it will start losing things"
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No hack or tweak applied, everything in stock condition. This confirmed my suspicious that Exec and I-mate only having this problem and this is due to their highly customized rom set.

That is strange.. I also have Dopod 900 and suffer from the same problem of memory leaks. The first time I got my Dopod 900 with factory default settings and applications, I played with it for 2 days and noticed that the memory went down to 15++ M.
So I would assume that without any 3rd party applications installed, memory leaks problem is there..

Chtan!
Then you could be a magician, because - i think - we all use the ROM with factory settings after a hard reset, and then - same as you -, when we install a lot of different applications and games, we have the memory leak.
So, what about this registry backup for us?
Or can you write it here the apps and games you use?

I have not performed a soft reset for 5 days. I am performing a test on how long my EXEC can last without having to perform a soft reset. I use mine regularly everyday, about an hour on phone calls, 2 hours on browsing using PIE, the usual opening and closing of applications, and I leave it at night charging while playing a DVD on a continuous loop for non-stop movie playback. I do admit the only time I notice slow downs (4 seconds to open an application) is if I leave about 10 open applications at the same time running in the background. That is why I make sure I close all open applications after use using Handy Menu's option to close all. As of now here is my memory allocations:
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In use: 14.52 MB
Free: 29.19 MB
Program
Total: 49.93 MB
In use: 30.94 MB
Free : 18.99 MB (with active sync open and running attached to my computer) If I unplugged my EXEC and close active sync, it goes back to 20.19 MB
These are all my open applications and memory usage without any slow downs:
gwes.exe: 7.48 MB
filesys.exe: 2.72 MB
device.exe: 2.43 MB
cprog.exe: 2.33 MB
shell32.exe: 1.43 MB
repllog.exe: 499.69 KB
services.exe: 227.76 KB
tmail.exe: 163.62 KB
connmgr.exe: 131.81 KB
HandyMenu.exe: 123.81 KB
rapiclnt: 115.90 KB
poutlook.exe: 47.90 KB
SDDaemon.exe: 47.90 KB
MemMaid.exe: 23.90 KB
shfind.exe: 19.90 KB
srvtrust.exe: 7.90 KB
NK.EXE: 0 Bytes
Even with these applications open. My EXEC runs fine with no slow downs.
I am happy with my EXEC. Even after 12 hours of continuous Movie playback at night, I don't feel my EXEC over heating. This thing is amazing!

gwes.exe just keeps growing

hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?

markbrudney said:
hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?
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same to me. 10MB was the size of it. killing it makes the device freeze

don't kill gwes, it is a system process, stands for Graphics, Windowing and Events Subsystem.
i dunno why you get the memory leak, i don't. i always thought spb pocketplus is the culprit, but someone just claimed he had no leaks while using spb+. but give this a try if you happen to use it...

Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
I also use OxiosMemory and try to mitigate this by forcing the processes to release resources not in use, but that does not elimate this issue completely.

harryk1372 said:
Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
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no, the explanation is not this simple. i run the same wm5 as you and i dont have this problem.

cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.

harryk1372 said:
cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.
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i leave these constantly running all the time:
magicbuttons
taskmgr v1.6 (from buzzdev)
uptime
also usually leave these running:
totalcommander
opera
messages (sms)
occasionally using:
iGO 2006
Netfront 3.3
PQZII
vijay's full terminal screen hack
ftpsrv
phm regedit
tre regedit
adobe acrobat
mobipocket
wmirc
softmaker textmaker (wow sucks why no real vga)
tcpmp 0.71
hope this helped what apps are you running?

cmonex said:
hope this helped what apps are you running?
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Thanks for that. What I run is quite a few and some are same as yours. The biggest difference is that I run Wisbar Advance 2 and Wisbar Advance Desktop to skin the GUI.
The apps I am constantly running:
Wisbar Advance 2
Wisbar Advance Desktop
SEVEN (mobile push email)
ATOK (IME for Japanese language)
DefSIPChange (changes default SIP)
PQz
The apps I am running occasionally:
Backup and Restore
GSFinder
MemMaid
Oxios CloseApps
Oxios Hibernate
PHM RegEdit
JpegCapture
TCPMP
VeriChat
Warm Reboot
GB-SOFT Tweak
Pocket Tweak
I will have to check the ones I am constantly running to see if any of them is causing this problem but it could be the first two on the above list.

hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?

markbrudney said:
hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?
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hummm i didnt list the builtin apps but what i use from them is contacts, comm manager, PIE (very rarely), messages (only for sms), word... (sometimes the other office stuff too) would use calendar too but i always forget to note my todos in it
+ and i forgot to list nPOP (for emails) and a screenshot maker (magic something)..
anyway what you run doesn't sound too bad, if you really use no today plugins.. i got no idea.. what ROM version do you run?

The growth is because it caches icons (start menu - programs - settings) to speed up the display. At least that's my best guess!!!

hi
rom version:1.30.107 wwe
I did a soft reset today and gwes.exe went down to 4.22MB
I then ran only the wifi (comm manager) and gwes rose to 4.35MB
I ran it again after switching it off in settings/system/memory and it rose to 4.78MB
when I switched it off again in settings/system/memory it came down to 4.56MB but its obviously where the leak is.,because I didn't run anything else.
the problem is how do I stop it?

Hi all there,
same problem with my german VPA IV (Vodafone) even after several ROM upgrades (Jasjar, qtec, new vodafone ger) no changes of this strange behavior
I really hope, there's anybody out there, who can help us with this annoying thing.

This gwes.exe issue is experienced with WM2003SE as well. I found this in one of the threads in Windows Mobile Team Blog.
"With WM2003SE, I had issues like GWES.exe growing until I ran out of RAM. So, I purchased WM5, hoping the repurposed strata flash and new OS would resolve the issues."
You can also refer to below for gwes.exe in detail.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...ui5/html/wce50conshellanduserinterface146.asp
Someone was saying earlier in this thread that gwes.exe caches icons. That might be true but may not be just icons and that explains why gwes.exe grows. Or, it might be that some apps you are running are causing memory leak but that is not easy to spot on.
A workaround to this I use and can recommend to anyone having this problem is Oxios Memory 1.40. It's free!
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
One of its apps is Oxios Hibernate. WM_HIBERNATE is a window message that is generated by the Windows operating system and sent to an application when system resources are running low. All applications should get the message and handle it by attempting to release as many resources as possible by unloading processes, destroying windows, or freeing up as much local storage as possible without damaging the internal state of the system.
I normally run this whenever the free memory space gets low like down to 15MB before my device gets unstable. I normally gain quite a bit by reducing the sizes of gwes.exe and all other processes running are occupying and that I don't have to reboot my device everyday. Check the size of gwes.exe with MemMaid before and after you run this and you will notice how effective it is. :roll:

thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.

markbrudney said:
thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.
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Maybe that gwes.exe did not have any resource to release at the point you ran Oxios Hibernate and it was already close to the bare bones. Try running Oxios CloseApps as well as Oxios Hibernate. CloseApps closes processes running in the background and that releases the memory used by those.
You do get some memory back by running Hibernate multiple times but the actual amount you get back is very small after the first run although the dialogue may say it is like 2 to 3MB released every time. I am not sure why this is but I think it is no use running it multiple times. Just run it once or twice a day when you find that the free memory is low.
As I wrote in the earlier post, Oxios Memory is just a workaround I found. It does not eliminate the problem completely and the memory resources used by the processes running will never go down to the level of right after the reboot of the device. I experienced that gwes.exe gradually grows in several days to the point when I need to reboot my device even with running Hibernate from time to time. It's just that I don't need to reboot it like everyday.

thanks harry

thank you very much

hey i had the same problem that is mentioned here....
i was running spb pocket plus when i noticed this....
now with ilauncher and spb diary i have around 25 mb at start up and hardly if any memory leak....
with ilauncher alone i have around 27.5 mb
also some software have been updated like pocket informant webis mail..my experience with them shows me that they have next to no memory leak...
what i have noticed is that applications which are not designed for wm5 have terrible leak....case in point....girders which i a game with simple graphics leaves me with only 9 mb when i exit the app...while with skyforce 1.22 (wm5) the leak is hardly 100-200kb

you could try htcAddicts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487490
it seems to be more powerful than Oxios

Tmobile Wing ship ROM low memory

Hello everyone, so I got the T-mobile wing wich is the same as the Herald a couple of days ago, and the first thing I checked when I turned it on was the program memory and it was very disappointing at around 17MB then it went down from there I never saw the 17 again, I have a few apps installed and now my memory is around 9MB after soft reset. I am not liking this about this device especially after been spoiled with the Core 2.0n ROm on my MDA (wizard) I had more apps installed and still had over 25 MB of program memory left, as far as I know the only way to make this better is to flash it with a cooked rom, but since that is too risky at this point with not having a ship rom to go to if phone gets briked I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts or solutions for this issue.
by the way I think other then the size of the wing I like the wizard better in many ways. share your thoughts.

Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory

BRSG said:
Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
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I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.

The problem is the pagepool.
All cooked rom for wizard have 4 or 8MB pagepool because that´s enough. I guess on wing it is the normal 12MB - too much.
We have to cook smaler ones and we will get back the big RAM like 30MB.
Let´s wait for official update and start cooking without the possibility of bricking.
lol

FZZF said:
I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
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Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...

low memory on wing
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.

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Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
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You have the HTC p4350 so I am sure it's runing on different rom, I think the problem is with the T-Mobile USA Rom, it has too much crap on it I even did a soft reset right before customization to prevent the t-MO stuff to install and that gave me an extra 7MB of storage but no better on the program memory and the timobile stuff still installed. I did turn off all plug ins I even shut down all unnecessary processes with memmaid and the best I got was 13MB so I am pretty sure it's the rom and I thnk Papa is right it may have to do with the page pool and or a combination of both page pool and all the T-Mobile garbage in the rom.

cyberjr said:
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
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yes it is sad when a cooked rom is a million times better then a ship rom made by the biggest software company in the world as Papa said I am waiting for an updated rom to be available to go back to in case something goes wrong while flashing a cooked rom, and it is only a matter of time before we can flash custom roms question is how long, I dont know how long I can handle the frustration of using this thing I installed IGO GPS yesterday and it would not run because of lack of memory so I think I am going back to the wizard until I can flash this dumb thing and by the way I don't think the T-mobile rep will come up with a solution but if he does please share it with us.

A lot of tweaking needed
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.

Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.

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kevinwatson5 said:
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
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did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?

interesting, I tried runing IGO nav and it reported an error saying it needed 6MB of memory to run I had to soft reset to get it to work, last night I installed SKTools and did some more tweeking with it and gained about 2MB of memory but not much I am wondering if the rom has some memory leaks somewhere because I can't even fin what apps are using so much memory at start up I got rid of most of them the only one I cant get rid of it the myfavs.

ericizzy1 said:
did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
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not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.

hi
kevinwatson5 said:
not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
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if u could only tell me which dll's(that came installed on the wing) u moved, it will be great.

dll's
I moved everyone that Memmaid would allow me to move, the ones that were in use could not be moved and that was only a couple.

Here's what I did and I have like 15mb to spare
I did a hard reset on my Wing - then, when T-mo's customizations started/tried to run, I did a soft reset (thus preventing their installation).
From this point I installed any and everything that i wished to have on my phone
(in my case this consisted of: total Commander; Sleuth's WM6VOIP; HTC Home Plug Today Plugin; RvBCrS HTC Startup animation; A_C Slide2Unlock; Chi-Tai Dang batteryStatus TD-Plugin; T-Mobile Soft Key Applet; PPCSoft psShutXP; HTC Audio Manager; The Equinoxe Wizard Retouched Dialer2; and By Boto XDA-Developers HTC Touch Comm Manager)
As you can see, I installed a lot of stuff and still I have sufficient room left on my device. will say that inevitably you may want to reset your device about once a day or so - because it appears to slow down and lose memory over time, but all in all it's no worse than my MDA ever was, plus I still have my MDA if I missed it that much (Which I don't).

xander803 said:
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
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Is it possible to use an empty extended rom to stop some of those problems???

Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.

dangtong said:
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
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What are you running in background??????
I have 26MB free while SPB mobile shell, today agenda and batterystatus are running - and 22MB when activesync is connected!
BUT i have the terra. But even without pagepoolchanging i had 20MB free. After all programs are installed.
So what are you running?????

got 8 free and only Mobile shell, Phone Suit and Weather running
**** this device