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My friends on XDA2 reseller said that the hardware quality of newer XDA2 on the market is lower than previous...it was a missproduct
especially XDA2 with ROM 1.66.165 and bootloader 1.06, it had bad case, bad display and bad ROM chip that can cause restarting/resetting, causing XDA2 coma that require hard resetting...
HTC taiwan realized that XDA2 era will come to an end soon, and they wouldn't like to spent lot of bucks for XDA2 anymore, so, there is a bad quality of XDA2 hardware (LCD,ROM chips,CASE,etc), let us know, their focus is now on XDA3.
and, the ROM 1.66.65 was never on http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaExtromVersions lists
There's lot of people complaining and frustating about their XDA2 (1.66.165)
My second XDA2 is 1.66.165 ROM, it restarts many2 times, hard reset once (buy it for 3 days)...upgraded it to 1.72.126, the problem still remains, it was very bad bad product compared to my first XDA2 with rom 1.60.44
My new XDA2 as compared to my old one:
- The screen is bit brighter and a yellowish screen seen from left angle.
- My 3 days old XDA already had loose battery cover??
- The ROM chip is the main reason for our XDA2 to be randomly locked up.
The conclusion:
wake up guys! it was a hardware failure...not the ROM...
newer XDA II
Hi, Friend.
Kasihan deh lu !!!
My sugesstion : back to vendor, or sell it !!!!!
is there someone who have same problem ????, please posting here......
thank's
I'm not selling it yet, there's no alternative choice right now...
XDA2 > XDA = impossible
XDA2 > HP6300 = nah...
XDA2 > etenP300B = nope
XDA2 > SE P910 = not interested
XDA2 > Nokia 3310 = sounds interesting...LOL
Sell your XDA2, get the cheapest phone, wait for next PDAphone line up...
NO
NO !!
i very very love my XDA II.
My XDA II is the best PDA Phone in the World !!!. (bootloader 1.03, bought in april 04).
XDA II > XDA III -> i will never buy (very very not interesting)
XDA II > NOKIA comm. 9500 -> may be ?
XDA IV > XDA II -> i will buy (very very interesting)
I miss my first XDA, bootloader 1.03 ROM 1.52.00 hicks...
O2 XDAII
Darkcell I've buyed the XDA last month and had the same Rom like yours.
Never had, until now, the problems that you have. (Don't talk so loud Murphy is listening... ;-))
I flashed it to 1.72.00WWE with cooked ExtRom.
My suggestion is back to vendor for replacement... :x :x :x
I've flashed my XDA ROM, Reseller in my country wouldn't replace it...no use... :roll:
I'm wondering, how did HTC get these 'bad' parts ? You think they did extra shopping to find a worse part an d probably cheaper ?
I really don't believe it.
Like most things, getting the parts fast is a lot cheaper then getting bad, cheap parts...
Like the Intel CPU's, they don't setup the productionline for 1200, 1400, 1600 etc MHz. They just make a lot of CPU's, then test them at 1600.
If their stable it's a 1600Mhz. If it isn't, it's tested at 1400, if its stable, it's a 1400Mhz. If its not, it's tested at 1200, if it's stable it's a 1200Mhz.
If it's is not...... etc etc etc etc....
I didn't think and say that they did extra shopping to find a worse part an d probably cheaper, I said that the newer XDA2 products worse than previous...
XDA II Coma
Evening peeps, just adding my 2 pennies worth with the newer XDA 2, i have indeed experenced "coma" like symptoms which for some strange reason can only be corrected with a hard reset. Its most odd and usually happens when im doing somthing. I dont know if the OS is abled to be debugged so i cant say anything more spacific, It may be totally unrelated and i havent searched here if anyone else has had this issue to please forgive me if i am repeating something old, anyhow, i also seem to get audio issues in that the sound turns off, im unable to turn sound on or increase volume, vibrate does not work either, its like the "coma" cept it only effects sound
dazza, what ROM do u have?
darkcell is 100$ right...
not only an xda issue..
it's HTC related..
all the new htc devices are of less quality..
we have three i-mate devices in the house..
mine was bought about 8 months ago..
the other 2 was bought about 3 months ago..
and what??
well as darkcell said.. the new devices have really worse screens than the already not so good screen of my device..
really annoying high contrast,yellowish, you can see nothing but yellow light when you look from even a little angle...
these symptoms do not exist in my device..
and believe it or not..
the 2 devices(my brother and my sister) are now useless since the headphone jack problem which i dont know how can we mend it(any one for help??)
im really sure that HTC are producing less quality devices and that's the cause of the price fall in i-mate(mine for 950$.. and after 6 months and in a very short time 570$)..
Shame...
I have a new release of the XDA II with the 1.66 ROM. So far it's been very stable. Only had hard resetting problems when I installed Battery Pack Pro 1.1.1. Aside from that, no porblems whatsoever.
Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. :lol:
I wanna buy XDA II next week. With this kind of information I get, I have to consider back again my choice. Can someone give me advice. TQ.
I noticed that my XDA2 speakers sounds cracked when used for call, both in speakerphone on and off...
The stylus pen holder is loose...
metalz, wait for XDA3...
I'll buy an MDA2 within 2 weeks i hope i won't have any problem with it :shock:
When this XDAIII or MDAIII expect to launch in the market? If middle next year, I rather have XDA II because I cannot wait much longer to have a hand on my dream device.
My friend said that the XDA3 will be available on the market on Desember... :wink:
not perfect
my two cents worth:
ALL devices are not perfect, have you had OS software that worked perfectly?
remember bill gates when he presented at that time the NEWEST and most ROBUST windows OS? BLUE SCREEN right in his face? hehehe, that was the biggest irony in sofware industry.
Ok, XDA 2 is used with MS not-so-perfect software and HTC no-so-great cost cutting measures. PLUS sometimes, WE force the ISSUE by installing products wherein XDA2 is not even in the LIST of supported device and expect it to run perfectly.
My XDA2 has experienced 2 HARD resets, one on its own and another i did on purpose. YES, it has its limitations, BUT i still LOVE it coz IT works fine MOST of the time. I would say 95%.
Compare with other PDA-phones in the market today, XDA 2 still ranks best.
Nothing is PERFECT, show me a device and we'll find its defect.
With this kind of information we have, somene who want the XDA II will think back about it.
Hi,
now I have an old Nokia 6230 in combination with Mio P550. Nokia is pretty old, but so far ok for me (only thing I really hate is that I cannot sort my contact list in groups as I want to) and I'm using Mio mainly for navigation (i-Go) and synchronization of my calendar and tasks. Now the time has come to change my mobile phone.
New phone will be from Orange (under contract) and consider two possibilities.
1. sell Nokia and Mio and buy Orange M3100 (SK)
2. stick with Mio and buy Nokia 6233 (or maybe E50, but not sure I want Symbian, WM is better)
Pos:
1. all-in-one, WM platform, keyboard
2. built-in GPS, all my phones are Nokia, so I have all equipment I need, price (difference is 450euro, but something will come back if I sell Mio)
Neg:
1. no working built-in GPS, need to buy BT GPS receiver, price
2. two devices and Nokia has now really troubles to get out some no-bug fw for this phone
I have read all topics related to M3100 on this forum. This is great device, but there is big chance, that something will go wrong (e.g. loosing GSM signal and muting issue). I'm confident I will not update the ROM in this device in first few months because Orange will not allow me to do it without loosing warranty.
So the big question. Shall I buy M3100? How big is the chance I will have really big issues? Are there some S/N ranges, revisions, that I should not buy?
Thanks for any info .
buy it
.
Very tempting to say
Don't buy it!
But that would just put you back to a bit of a dilemma.
Bear in mind that the majority of posts here are from those that have had problems. Very few people make posts to say hey my e-mail is working or I always manage to take a good picture etc etc. So reading here would make you believe there is hardly a device that works properly.
Most folks probably get along just fine, but I would say that there are a number of tweaks and settings that should be done as standard on this device and then a full backup so you can restore at the drop of a hat as and when you do face a problem.
Your other consideration might be to wait for the Kaiser say, though that could be a while and initial pricing could be very high. Also newly released devices are a challenge for the ROM Gurus but everyday users should wait for several months after initial release and problems are ironed out.
I've got mine working just fine now, but I still get the odd freeze every couple of weeks - I backup a lot so not a great problem in my view.
Mike
Thanks mikechannon.
I'm around on Internet for some time, so I know that mainly complaitns can be found on boards. Satisfied users are not searching boards like this to tell us that everything is ok. They have no need. That is why I asked "How big is the chance I will have really big issues?". Guys here are working with this device on advanced level and can tell me more in few words as an regular user.
At this moment I'm 80% sure I will take it. I feel in me something like "dream comes true" . And I don't know why, it's missing working build-in GPS and big screen with 640x480 (joke). I have still one week to make final decision. Today I sent email to Orange to know more about the device (ROM version, etc.), hopefully Orange will responde quickly. If there is big chance (nothing is for 100%) nothing will brake down I will buy it
I decided to wait couple of months since I was not entire sure.
After two weeks I finally received reply from Orange. There will be probably no official update to WM6 and I'm not allowed to use any unofficial firmware without loosing warranty (so nothing new). There was only one useful information in entire email. Software in M3100 is version 14.123.8.783. But I was not able to find anything with this number. Is this real or Orange sent me something that is not useful?
I have my M3100 for four months now without any issues. You can check these faulty batches here. Only problem I have had so far is low in-call volume, but I think that is dependant on the OS. If you are sure that is what you need then go for it. Veľa šťastia.
I went from a xda 2i to hermes and not regretted it. I plucked up nerve to install black 2.0 (very happy with it) and if it goes wrong just put original wm5 rom back on it.
As for the gps thing, ebay has some cheap bt recievers and you can use them on any other phone you buy in the future (on my 4th phone with same reciever)
Orange SPV 3100 straight out of the box isn't that great.
I've totally customised mine, and everything works great. My biggest problem were the usb headphones/handsfree, which I have now hacked to accept 3.5mm headphones.
The biggest problem, which is out of my hands, is the camera. Completely useless at night time/poor lighting. Other than that, I am very happy... size, weight, battery life and speed are just fine.
Go for it if you think you can customise it.
(BTW, I am using the OS straight out of the box, so no firmware updates (although I will be unlocking it soon))
if you can wait a little bit then i'd look at getting the kaiser once that's out.
if not get the 3100 now and with the help of this place you'll get it working the way it should. imo wm6 is a must
KarhU - what was the original ROM version in your device?
DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
Haldo said:
KarhU - what was the original ROM version in your device?
DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
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I do not know for sure (it did not stay there for long ), but I think it was that ROM (it has the same Radio I had and the same bootloader as well, also OS version is the same) and this Ext ROM. All the versions of Hermes available in Slovakia are not localized.
Haldo said:
DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
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well its expected to be released june/july by htc from the last i read but if orange will brand it who knows, it seams a logical step and it just depends what built in gps and a thiner device means to you really. as for the price it'll prob be the same as the 3100 when it was first released, i dont know what that was as i got my hermes from t-mobile
Out of the box experience for the m3100...had to kid myself everything was running ok, it was slow and pretty sluggish, not amazing by any stretch! Quite a bit faster upgrading to WM6, however you're always on your toes anticipating the next crash/freeze!
I would recommend getting one. I always have mine with me and I couldn't be without it. It really is the best device on the market!!!!
Had my M3100 since December last year. Best handset I have ever had from Orange. Add this to www.xda-developers.com and you have powerfull combination. I have tried just about all the english WM5 roms and most of the WM6 ones too. If you follow all the tips, instructions & advice etc in the WIKIs you can't go far wrong! Take time to read and search! I am currently running Black Version 2.0, personal and company IMAP e-mail setup on it, along with TomTom 6 and various other apps. Bottom line, go get one!!!!
i have been using a 3100 now for months with no problems at all,,,i have upgraded to black version 2.0 with i only did for fun and everything is great...
go buy one now !!!
So, I have an offer for SPV. The s/n is starting with 357. How old is it? In wiki I found only 6xx and 7xx.
It's home . Now I need to search for some good applications to work with phone, contacts and messages .
I'm looking at buying a prophet, and the description says that the " Phone randomly crashes turning the screen either completely light or completely dark and require a reseat of the battery to work again. This phone is considered un-repairable by the manufacture. Phone also has unsupported customized Windows Mobile 6.1 firmware."
could this be a software issue or do you think a hardware. possibly a ribbon cable, are there parts available for these? thanks
Hello Quintman and welcome to the forum.
I have no idea where you got the information in your post but as someone who has used a Prophet for 2 years I can tell you that the phone is perfectly stable, specially if you stick with the original WM 5 ROM.
I still use and love it but I would not recommend buying this phone today unless you are looking for something cheap.
It is fairly outdated compared to most models, and has no GPS, 3G, and a slow processor.
I suggest yo post your needs and budget in the general section so people could advise on a better model.
lol i just didnt want to say where it was so everyone would bid on it. it is from ebay. i just didnt know if maybe the rom someone flashed was causing the screen issue or if a ribbon cable came loose or something worse. i was just thinking of buying it to play with it. I currently have a wizard that im selling (hopefully today) so im looking into something else. i love the different models with gps and that can take sdhc, that way i could sell both my gps unit and my mp3 player, but i think those are out of my price range (unless i somehow score one on ebay.) i cant decide whether to take a chance on the ebay one. check your pm
yes
yes
Hi folks
My Touch HD digitiser has gone faulty and its only 6 months old
or at least thats what i thought because the screen was not responding to touch. i am a electronic technical person so not totally naive.
I was using the wonderful NRG roms with no problems whatsoever.
I tried to replace the stock rom and spl before sending it back to HTC, but i had no way of checking it throughly because i could not get it past the calibrate screen.
Htc now want £159.00 to replace the motherboard, and they state the reason as the unit having foreign firmware installed which damaged the motheboard.
now the Htc touch HD was working perfectly apart from the fact that the screen would not respond to touch. and i admit it would run a little warm at times but nothing excessive. It has nerver been dropped. does anyone think that a complete motherboard would need to be replaced because of "foreign firmware"?
Is Htc trying to rip off their customers?
clearly the xda developers are just enhancing an already great product with their releases of wonderful firmware
this is clearly a hardware fault and not software.
please wade in with your opinions
hi, I totally agree with your statement, but if you restored the stock boot loader and then the stock rom you could say that you tried to do and hard reset of the device and because the screen didn't work you were unable of calibrating it. I think they can't prove that you used a different rom.
hope you solve soon.
greets,
Nicola
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Hi folks
My Touch HD digitiser has gone faulty and its only 6 months old
or at least thats what i thought because the screen was not responding to touch. i am a electronic technical person so not totally naive.
I was using the wonderful NRG roms with no problems whatsoever.
I tried to replace the stock rom and spl before sending it back to HTC, but i had no way of checking it throughly because i could not get it past the calibrate screen.
Htc now want £159.00 to replace the motherboard, and they state the reason as the unit having foreign firmware installed which damaged the motheboard.
now the Htc touch HD was working perfectly apart from the fact that the screen would not respond to touch. and i admit it would run a little warm at times but nothing excessive. It has nerver been dropped. does anyone think that a complete motherboard would need to be replaced because of "foreign firmware"?
Is Htc trying to rip off their customers?
clearly the xda developers are just enhancing an already great product with their releases of wonderful firmware
this is clearly a hardware fault and not software.
please wade in with your opinions
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Unfortunately HTC can legally stand by their clauses with foreign software on device as having a cooked rom on device voids warranty. I know you tried to restore back stock, but you couldn't tell and if appears they have still found your NRG rom on device.
However they are hiprocrites as this does not affect the motherboard and they are just lOoking for any excuse to void warranty which unfortunately you provided.
I believe others have been in your shoes before and posted similar threads. Try searching for these and see if they can shed any light.
but how can they get away with that?
If you buy a computer (which is what the Touch HD effectivly is), then you are entitled to use any operating system you whsh. wether it be Linux, Windows or Apple MAC. and if you develope a hardware fault then this cannot invalidate your warranty???
I dont get it? also how can they say it needs a new motherboard when it is clearly the digitser which has gone wrong?
omniajet13 said:
but how can they get away with that?
If you buy a computer (which is what the Touch HD effectivly is), then you are entitled to use any operating system you whsh. wether it be Linux, Windows or Apple MAC. and if you develope a hardware fault then this cannot invalidate your warranty???
I dont get it? also how can they say it needs a new motherboard when it is clearly the digitser which has gone wrong?
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I believe someone else asked this same question in another thread, though which one I have no idea. They asked similar question about how does HTC get away with this and I believe (if my memory bank is working) they wrote a letter to them and where able to still get it under warranty (don't hold me to this though) as they argued a new rom wouldn't affect digitizer. Possibly worth having a search for if you can find it.
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Htc now want £159.00 to replace the motherboard, and they state the reason as the unit having foreign firmware installed which damaged the motheboard.
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That Sucks.
A friend of mine had a similar problem,
He had a broken microphone,
and HTC sent a similar letter =>
You'll probably find that the digitizer is on the motherboard. Looking at it, it doesn't look like it can be separate. (Where would it fit?)
It does run a bit hot sometimes and heat is bad as you would know.
I have just read the warranty information and it states that the warranty is limited to the hardware as originally supplied,and makes no mention of any software or operating system. and by the very nature of the product it was made for installing third party software, operting system of choice ect.
in fact it reads " this limited warranty applies only to the hardware components of the product as originally supplied and does not apply to any software or other equipment".
I will persue this and post the outcome
Unfortunately "Software" and "Firmware" are two separate things. While you can install any operating system on your computer, that software isn't a part of the hardware.
In the case of smart phones (windows mobile phones), the operating system is Firmware, and not software. The difference here is that the Firmware is PART of the hardware. Similarly the bios rom on your computer is part of the motherboard hardware. To clarify, software is interpreted and run by hardware. On the other hand, firmware operates the hardware which is why changing to an unapproved firmware also means altering the hardware.
Unfortunately they have this clause in the warranty because you CAN destroy your hardware with a malicious rom, just like you can fry your harddrive, cpu and stuff with a malicious rom on your computer bios. You can have umpteen viruses or malicious 3rd party apps on your device and nothing it does can harm the hardware because it doesn't actually change how the hardware itself works. Firmware is different in that it changes internally how a piece of hardware works and in doing so, can damage it.
I do agree though, that in this case they're looking to void the warranty, but the truth is that the money they loose on one device under warranty must be covered by the profits made by 20+ other sold units (remember, revenue can just go towards warranties).
Hey man, you play the game, sometimes you lose. I took my phone apart, fallowed the factory service manual to the letter but I knew there was a good chance they would notice the missing "void" stickers and I had to pay for the repair ( for the problem that was there before I took it apart). I took it apart and that voids the warranty, so is life...
I've noticed recently that the HD2 forum is becoming inundated with hardware problem threads. While this is obviously one of the functions of the Q&A forum, it does give an unbalanced view of whether or not the HD2 is riddled with problems, and some people are just assuming that the device is problematic. Since no-one is going to post a thread that says "My HD2 has no hardware problems", I decided to make a thread where we could try and get a more balanced view.
Please try and refrain from saying you have hardware issues if it's really a software issue as the whole purpose of this thread is to try and get a real ratio of people with hardware problems against people with no problems. Also, PLEASE don't include accidental damage as hardware failures!
Feel free to discuss, but if you view this thread then please vote one way or another.
Thanks
Edit: At the moment there's been 179 views and only 23 votes. PLEASE do the poll above if you visit the thread. Thanks.
Yes, I sent mine back to HTC, and the problem was the whole antenna was broken,
There is a more indepth poll * HERE *
Not only does it try to find out the relative amount of hardware failures, it also is trying to determine if it is primarily the 1024 or 512 LEOs and if the reset button (presumably a bath issue) has a contributing factor.
Maybe if a 'non-touchscreen' and a 'stuck at bootup' threads were fixed at the top of this board, this would stop folks creating new threads and have just one place to look. Maybe even the initial poster creating a step by step fault diagnosis guide - which could be amended as different symptoms appear.
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There is a more indepth poll * HERE *
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Thanks a lot. That's a different poll completely and I'm aware of it, having voted myself. If you disagree with the reason for this poll then simply stay out of it.
Thanks
I have no problem with the poll, and have voted.
I do understand the reason for it. If I was going to buy an HD2 for the first time and did my research then I would surely ended up here. With all the faulty this and that and not booting up postings, I would doubt that I would buy the phone. But viewing this site, since I got a brand new T-Mobile Compact III (UK), I knew that loads of faults got reported but that was minute in comparison to the numbers that were busy away flashing their phones.
The only fault I have had with an HTC phone was my Compact IV (Diamond) and that was the USB not being able to communicate, but I suspect that was due to a surge when it was charging from a rental car when the car started up.
No problems with mine owned it since march 2010, I would say it is clearly
my favourite phone.
No Problem with both Phones.
1st HD2: February 2010
2nd HD2: August 2010
also the display bright is on both phones still the same...
I bought my HD2 late 2009, out of one of the first shipments my dealer received.
In the meantime, I flashed a gazillion times, WinMo, Android, WP7... the only thing I changed was the memory card.
Also, since summer 2010, I preferred Photon style usage, means I started to use the hardware buttons extensively. No problems at all.
In the sum, my device is a real workhorse... properly fed thanks to xda.
Not really, I just have a bit of backlight bleeding.
I've had my HD2 since november 09 and im happy to say I haven't had a single issue........ yet lol
Hardware problem
I got my Hd2 in March 2010. I sent it in for repairs two weeks ago. I have just got it back. They replaced the motherboard.
Seems to be working fine now.
I've had my 512MB Leo since May 2010. So far so good. I wish i could say that same about the headset but i guess it could have been worse.
Phone was bought in June of 2010, and I brought it to a repair service here last Friday as the digitizer gave up on me unfortunately. Now I can only hope it will be returned soon
According to the poll I created here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925673) so far there seems to be no correlation on 1024 or 512 Leo, the color of the reset button, and hardware failure.
Maybe all of these are coming up now as most of us got the HD2 back in March, and its coming up to a year for a straight swap (well some operators are doing that)
My phone became faulty back in the summer and i just lived with it for a while, maybe other have being doing the same.
I have a mainboard issue, affects the screen and cuts out completely now and then
mayurolla said:
According to the poll I created here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=925673) so far there seems to be no correlation on 1024 or 512 Leo, the color of the reset button, and hardware failure.
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I've been watching that, and all you can tell for sure so far is that 2 people either don't know the difference between red and yellow, or they think their T-Mobile device isn't T-Mobile at all!
Good Idea this Poll.
Certainly for new users/future users who will buy one.
But honestly, I must say the HD2 is as far I know one of the best device. But like every electronic device there is a march of issues. Most of the devices will works well and correctly, some not.
But we can alway's ask us the question; Where started the problem!? A construction/fabric Error on the device ore a wrong manipulation of the user!?
I'm sure if people would read more the manual, ..... well we all knows what than.
i have a dead (bricked?) HD2 in hand right now;
i just can't flash it pass 8%; and it vibrates 4-5 times when it reaches 8% and then it gets stuck there.
i tried both USB flash and SD flash with stock and custom ROMs but none work so far;
need help btw.
thanks
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I've been watching that, and all you can tell for sure so far is that 2 people either don't know the difference between red and yellow, or they think their T-Mobile device isn't T-Mobile at all!
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I made it multiple choice in case people had multiple devices which often is the case.
2 hd2
i have two hd2's both have had the screens replaced and one has had the internal speaker replaced.
i notice these phones seems to have bad life for the screens according to all the people having touch screens die.
and when i call htc they don't really ask any questions about it, I'm assuming they know its a problem.