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Newer XDA2 is a bad product??

My friends on XDA2 reseller said that the hardware quality of newer XDA2 on the market is lower than previous...it was a missproduct
especially XDA2 with ROM 1.66.165 and bootloader 1.06, it had bad case, bad display and bad ROM chip that can cause restarting/resetting, causing XDA2 coma that require hard resetting...
HTC taiwan realized that XDA2 era will come to an end soon, and they wouldn't like to spent lot of bucks for XDA2 anymore, so, there is a bad quality of XDA2 hardware (LCD,ROM chips,CASE,etc), let us know, their focus is now on XDA3.
and, the ROM 1.66.65 was never on http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaExtromVersions lists
There's lot of people complaining and frustating about their XDA2 (1.66.165)
My second XDA2 is 1.66.165 ROM, it restarts many2 times, hard reset once (buy it for 3 days)...upgraded it to 1.72.126, the problem still remains, it was very bad bad product compared to my first XDA2 with rom 1.60.44
My new XDA2 as compared to my old one:
- The screen is bit brighter and a yellowish screen seen from left angle.
- My 3 days old XDA already had loose battery cover??
- The ROM chip is the main reason for our XDA2 to be randomly locked up.
The conclusion:
wake up guys! it was a hardware failure...not the ROM...

newer XDA II
Hi, Friend.
Kasihan deh lu !!!
My sugesstion : back to vendor, or sell it !!!!!
is there someone who have same problem ????, please posting here......
thank's

I'm not selling it yet, there's no alternative choice right now...
XDA2 > XDA = impossible
XDA2 > HP6300 = nah...
XDA2 > etenP300B = nope
XDA2 > SE P910 = not interested
XDA2 > Nokia 3310 = sounds interesting...LOL
Sell your XDA2, get the cheapest phone, wait for next PDAphone line up...

NO
NO !!
i very very love my XDA II.
My XDA II is the best PDA Phone in the World !!!. (bootloader 1.03, bought in april 04).
XDA II > XDA III -> i will never buy (very very not interesting)
XDA II > NOKIA comm. 9500 -> may be ?
XDA IV > XDA II -> i will buy (very very interesting)

I miss my first XDA, bootloader 1.03 ROM 1.52.00 hicks...

O2 XDAII
Darkcell I've buyed the XDA last month and had the same Rom like yours.
Never had, until now, the problems that you have. (Don't talk so loud Murphy is listening... ;-))
I flashed it to 1.72.00WWE with cooked ExtRom.
My suggestion is back to vendor for replacement... :x :x :x

I've flashed my XDA ROM, Reseller in my country wouldn't replace it...no use... :roll:

I'm wondering, how did HTC get these 'bad' parts ? You think they did extra shopping to find a worse part an d probably cheaper ?
I really don't believe it.
Like most things, getting the parts fast is a lot cheaper then getting bad, cheap parts...
Like the Intel CPU's, they don't setup the productionline for 1200, 1400, 1600 etc MHz. They just make a lot of CPU's, then test them at 1600.
If their stable it's a 1600Mhz. If it isn't, it's tested at 1400, if its stable, it's a 1400Mhz. If its not, it's tested at 1200, if it's stable it's a 1200Mhz.
If it's is not...... etc etc etc etc....

I didn't think and say that they did extra shopping to find a worse part an d probably cheaper, I said that the newer XDA2 products worse than previous...

XDA II Coma
Evening peeps, just adding my 2 pennies worth with the newer XDA 2, i have indeed experenced "coma" like symptoms which for some strange reason can only be corrected with a hard reset. Its most odd and usually happens when im doing somthing. I dont know if the OS is abled to be debugged so i cant say anything more spacific, It may be totally unrelated and i havent searched here if anyone else has had this issue to please forgive me if i am repeating something old, anyhow, i also seem to get audio issues in that the sound turns off, im unable to turn sound on or increase volume, vibrate does not work either, its like the "coma" cept it only effects sound

dazza, what ROM do u have?

darkcell is 100$ right...
not only an xda issue..
it's HTC related..
all the new htc devices are of less quality..
we have three i-mate devices in the house..
mine was bought about 8 months ago..
the other 2 was bought about 3 months ago..
and what??
well as darkcell said.. the new devices have really worse screens than the already not so good screen of my device..
really annoying high contrast,yellowish, you can see nothing but yellow light when you look from even a little angle...
these symptoms do not exist in my device..
and believe it or not..
the 2 devices(my brother and my sister) are now useless since the headphone jack problem which i dont know how can we mend it(any one for help??)
im really sure that HTC are producing less quality devices and that's the cause of the price fall in i-mate(mine for 950$.. and after 6 months and in a very short time 570$)..
Shame...

I have a new release of the XDA II with the 1.66 ROM. So far it's been very stable. Only had hard resetting problems when I installed Battery Pack Pro 1.1.1. Aside from that, no porblems whatsoever.
Maybe I'm just one of the lucky ones. :lol:

I wanna buy XDA II next week. With this kind of information I get, I have to consider back again my choice. Can someone give me advice. TQ.

I noticed that my XDA2 speakers sounds cracked when used for call, both in speakerphone on and off...
The stylus pen holder is loose...
metalz, wait for XDA3...

I'll buy an MDA2 within 2 weeks i hope i won't have any problem with it :shock:

When this XDAIII or MDAIII expect to launch in the market? If middle next year, I rather have XDA II because I cannot wait much longer to have a hand on my dream device.

My friend said that the XDA3 will be available on the market on Desember... :wink:

not perfect
my two cents worth:
ALL devices are not perfect, have you had OS software that worked perfectly?
remember bill gates when he presented at that time the NEWEST and most ROBUST windows OS? BLUE SCREEN right in his face? hehehe, that was the biggest irony in sofware industry.
Ok, XDA 2 is used with MS not-so-perfect software and HTC no-so-great cost cutting measures. PLUS sometimes, WE force the ISSUE by installing products wherein XDA2 is not even in the LIST of supported device and expect it to run perfectly.
My XDA2 has experienced 2 HARD resets, one on its own and another i did on purpose. YES, it has its limitations, BUT i still LOVE it coz IT works fine MOST of the time. I would say 95%.
Compare with other PDA-phones in the market today, XDA 2 still ranks best.
Nothing is PERFECT, show me a device and we'll find its defect.

With this kind of information we have, somene who want the XDA II will think back about it.

Universal users....a poll :)

Post your feedback guys, guess it'll help the world to be a better place :lol:
San

It is a good device but too costly...
I would recommand new buyers to wait for a while, so that you get a trouble free device for less..
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?

Of all the criticisms, I don't think it's expensive. OK, I bought an MDA Pro with a nice subsidy from T Mobile and not a sim-free Jam Jar, but even so, it's a good price. Compare it to an HP Hx4700 and, say, a Nokia 654321i or whatever a current phone is called :wink: Looking at retail or launch prices, you'll see that they add up to pretty much the same price or more.

mniko said:
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...i havent soft reset it once in over 3 weeks now.. doesnt hang ...everything is working.. this is superb piece of device (i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any (not talking about the price...coz if you wait it will come down...or if you know anyone like i did i got my jasjar for 3800 dirhams unlike many of you who had to pay well in excess of 4100 hehe)

zohaer21 said:
what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...
....(i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any
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I completely agree, my experience is exactly the same, however, there do seem to be a few people around here with underperforming devices. Guess we're the lucky ones (But I'm sure everyone will be happy sooner or later...)

I like to way the Jasjar works and it's stability, although it is a bit bulky.
HOWEVER, I got mine on Monday last week. On Wednesday, having loaded everything on it and got it working exactly the way I wanted it to, I twisted the screen from phone mode in order to close it, felt a slight resistance and......guess what....yes, the feed to the screen was broken.
I guess this was always going to be a risk with the revolving screen but, really! I'm awaiting the replacement.

It's more usable than my SPV M2000 thanks to the keyboard but it is that bit bigger.
Oh and the fact it crashes my PC doesn't help either :evil:

If ur a housewife who uses it stock-standard with the awful PIM and shocking today screens - you'll be stable and happy. If you are a bleading edge techie (which is probably why you've already got one of these) then you'll have hard reset at least 2 times by now, and will have discovered the myriad of issue that require fixes (BT, PIM, 3G connection TTL, notification sadeamon dups, working player vs chip stepping, etc etc). This is much like WM2003 was in the early days - all issues eventually get solved by software. But for now it's tough battling to find suitable solutions.
personally, I think my time could have been better spent on making money and waiting for the October-1 ROM to evolve 1 more generation.

funny thing is those who complains a lot about the Universal always claimed that they're techsavvy i could prolly say that I'm one of those "idiots" that's quite satisfied with my JJ. I'm annoyed with some of its problems but satisfied overall with its performance and I don't mind waiting for the upgrades to come.

This damn device is droolworthy for sure! There are certain memory handicaps, os problems etc., but i'm sure things would be sorted out over time....
MS has wm5 in its early stages, and i-mate (or whoever) has been bold to release it...as far as i remember, there were a hundred ppl cursing MS for not releasing WM5, for which the JJ launch was being delayed....and i'm sure, all of you would have hoped for a release even though wm5 is not yet fully done and packed, and wouldnt mind an upgrade once complete....face it, its so damn gorgeous that you could'nt resist!!
The memory handicap is definitely a big issue, and i'm sure there trying to fix it, if not completely, atleast to a stage where its practical to use.
I'm wondering if O2 delayed the launch of the Exec, because of these issues??? hmmmmm!!!!!!
San

This is by far and away the most stable ppc I've had yet. Considering it offers vga screen, wifi, BT, keyboard and its a phone(3G also), I dont mind the size. In fact I personally prefer something with weight. Yes there are issues as there are issues with all relatively new devices/OS, but if u want to be at the forefront of cutting edge technology, then this is it...Obvoiusly, its horses for courses so its not everyone's ideal choice...but thats why there IS a choice.

This is a "Should I Buy?" thread.

I was a XDA Atom user (boy, was that a big mistake), then i shifter to a Sony Ericsson P990i. A friend of mine is offering to swap with me my SE P990i with an XDA Trion (HTC TYTN). Now comes the question, should I or shouldn't I?
I got frustrated with the Atom's performance (poor battery life, slow sluggish response (especially with MS Voice command as compared to my imate jam), memory drains, and clunky MS 5.0 handling). I got rid of it as soon as I could.
NOw I have an SE P990i. I miss my pocket PC. Shoudl I swap the phone, or should I stick with my SE P990i? Can someone give me a direct comparison between the Atom and the Tytn?
Thanks in advance.

Thats a tough question because its not as easy as comparing an atom to a tytn for example. However, the biggest comparrison I always remember when weighing up a non windows mobile device (because there are a few on the horizon that have tempted me to contemplate it) is the software and the interface. Because really why else would you consider swapping if not for the fact that you obviously miss the windows mobile platform?
Anyway you were probably looking for hardware comparrisons but as a TyTN and M3100 user I can tell you the TyTNs only suffer 1 problem as opposed to the Atom series - which (until the end when they got the software right) was one big stuff up; and thats screen alignment issues and to a small extent sticky keys on the keyboard. Besides that the device is very quick, responsive, one handed use is great, keyboard is fantastic for everything from emails to sms, phone reception is well up there, and the interchangable roms between all the Hermes variants mean if your have a compatibility issue with some software or responsiveness chances are another variants ROM will correct it, as some users have found with GPS and performances.

You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.

Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..

takis999 said:
Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..
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I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.

WM devices all the way.....
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.

When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).

Ce said:
You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.
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>Well, actually, she wants to trade it because it is a pocket PC phone. SHe had not problem with it at all. She just prefers a symbian phone as opposed to a pocket PC one.

Ce said:
I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.
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>What unit are you using now?

Slider758 said:
When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).
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>I totally agree with you. The P990i is a bit clunky and clumsy especially when in comes to synching.
Thanks

mackaby007 said:
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.
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Totally! Thanks! I am beginning to miss WM. After reading your post, I am now more inclined to get the tytn. I just hope that you guys would help me get out of a rut should I get in to one

How bad is the screen alignment bug?
What is the screen alignment bug? How bad is it and has it been resolved?

Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.

Welcome back to WM...
@Deadman:
of course we'll help you if u run into problems. that's what we all do here, as you know, being a WM man at heart. Welcome back.

Osir1s said:
Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.
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She's just more comfortable with symbian (UIQ phones) than PPC, I guess.

Have to agree with the general opinion. I have a vario II and my brother in law has a P990i. The P990 is a great device, but at the moment he is really suffering from software availability for UIQ 3.0

Thanks guys.

I have seen the light
I have seen the error of my ways and will rturn to my beloved PPC/MS based PPC

just another thing I thought I'd point out - I'm a member of the esato forum, and it seems a lot of die hard SE fans have picked the Tytn over the p990. I chose the tytn for the keyboard, apps available, hsdpa, and the cheaper price. Tytns are going for around £280 compared to the p990s £400.
I think your "friend" is trying to make a quick buck

Yep, I agree wholly with the above 2 posts, no point writing it all out again!

Is Hermes good smartphone to start with right now?

I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.

trade67 said:
I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.
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There is TONS of support for the Hermes dude, the Kaiser (TyTN II) is also a good device but if you are put off by the video driver issues and some of the other foibles it has then the Hermes should do you fine.
Dont be put off by the lower RAM size and etc....I believe for the beginner the Hermes is still a great starting point, you should learn alot about WM devices from it.
Before you buy do make sure the device is fully working and is not a half-bricked device since if the whole thing works fine you can customize it as much or as little as you wish.

trade67 said:
I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.
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hi trade!
i have been in your boat i took a bigger leep from the sony ericsson p990i to the hermes and can i say..... thats got to be the best leap ive took....there is endless support for the hermes... the TyTN 2 is very nice aswell but i do think there is a bit of a disign fault with it!... if it has a flip screen and u want to sit it down y put the speaker underneath?
but we all make mistakes
bottom line is yes i recromend upgrading to hermes!

Westie277 said:
hi trade!
i have been in your boat i took a bigger leep from the sony ericsson p990i to the hermes and can i say..... thats got to be the best leap ive took....there is endless support for the hermes... the TyTN 2 is very nice aswell but i do think there is a bit of a disign fault with it!... if it has a flip screen and u want to sit it down y put the speaker underneath?
but we all make mistakes
bottom line is yes i recromend upgrading to hermes!
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Yep, I made the leap from a SE P900......old skool

hmm.... the p990i was the underdog... people seemed to like its older brothers more....
im looking into getting a o2 cocoon....
im a student and taking a valuable phone (in my view) to school... I dont like
but i love flashing the brillient software like S2P and S2U2 (really annoys thouse who spent a bit on the ipod touch )
but yeah... i love the cocoons exterior hidden LED display
WM rules!

Thanks for the replies, everybody!
I am geting closer to the decision. I am basically trying to combine my old Sony PDA's and Siemens phone's features and also take advantage of some of the new technologies like BT and WiFi. I just want something reliable that performs its main functions well, not necessarily the "next best thing". Sounds like Hermes is a good device for that, while having potential for going far beyond.

Well the hermes is very reliable.... just aslong as you dont upload it with a dodgy ROM
and i hope too see you around the hermes fourms!

Hermes is a great windows mobile PPC...highly recommended! good luck!

Made the plunge! Just got a used one on ebay for $250.
Quick question: is it possible to sync PIMs with Outlook at home and Notes at work (I am not allowed to install Outlook at work, and most of the input to my calendar I do there)? I apologize if it is not the right forum for this question.

trade67 said:
Made the plunge! Just got a used one on ebay for $250.
Quick question: is it possible to sync PIMs with Outlook at home and Notes at work (I am not allowed to install Outlook at work, and most of the input to my calendar I do there)? I apologize if it is not the right forum for this question.
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Best thing to do is to use an exchange account (quite easily found and cheap) so you can edit your calendar and tasks etc... using the web based outlook interface both at home and at work.
Plus its best to use an exchange account if you dont fancy re-entering your contacts etc...

mrvanx, thanks for the tip. I will definetly give mail2web a try. I've never even known what an exchange account is, but am reading up on it now.
I still don't want to use any data plans to access my email, so I guess the main advantage of the exchange account is the ability to sync everything through the web and consistent interface. I guess I would use WiFi to sync it to the 8525?
Please, forgive all the newbie questions, I've never dealt with a PDA phone before.

I've been making my way up thro' the ranks too.
Palm - Clie - Loox - Wizard - Hermes.
I'm waiting for my Hermes to arrive, bought it 30 mins ago from the 'bay for £50ish ($100ish) - but I have plenty of experience flashing the Wizard - HTC have done a great job on these platforms.....
Take that step.

Should I get the HD2?

Hi folks,
in a few months I am able to extend my Vodafone Business contract and get the HD2. Currently I own a Touch Diamond and am finally VERY satisfied (after trying several ROMs for 6 months).
I still have some doubts about the HD2, I hope you can help me here:
1. Scratch-resistance of the display and the case.
I heard that the display itself is made of glass. For my diamond, I have a screen protector and a black Bugatti pouch. No scratches till now. So should I even use a pouch/screen protector, or is there no need for it? I am no big fan of those InvisibleShield solutions.
2. Availability and (especially) quality of custom ROMs.
Vodafone ROMs are made to be backed up (just in case of warranty) and then to be deleted. Any good and fast ROMs out there which basically provide an "upgraded stock experience"?
3. microSD
There is one delivered with the phone, but I could not find the size of the storage.
4. Landscape typing
Is it possible (without any greater hacks) to send SMS in landscape-mode? For the Diamond, I always use the standard portrait mode, but I once typed in landscape on an iPhone (phone itself: yuck, but the typing was great).
Thanks so far, I hope that you can help a potential HD2-owner
Regards

I use a gel case for the back, leaving the screen exposed and never had problems with scratching; nor worried about it being scratched unlike previous phones ive owned.
I believe it will be a 2GB microSD
Rotate the phone and it will allow typing in SMS screen natively.

in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i

samsamuel said:
in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i
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Agree with above!

great now you guys are giving me buyers remorse...i have bought one, being shipped to me now...all I plan on doing is putting a stock ROM on there and go from there....

samsamuel said:
in all honesty since you are "very happy" with your diamond, and still gave a few months to run, I'd wait and see what is around closer to the time. the hd2 is great, but its not a day to day phone, its a tinkeres delight, but as a phone its more like a work in progress. (it auto phoned my boss last friday just because I pulled the earphone jack out, it doesn't mute the fm radio when you get texts so you miss them, reception stability in standby is hit and miss..... )
if you want a great grownups toy, do it, if you want a phone, stock with what you are happy with for now.i
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While this is true, I'm also pretty certain that HTC will not be pumping out anymore Windows Mobile devices of this caliber. Their next HD2-like successor will be running Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile. This is how they'll get people to pick up the newer OS in the future.
So if you like Windows Mobile for Windows Mobile and want to stick with this OS, I think the HD2 will remain in the limelight for quite some time.

hofo_mofo said:
great now you guys are giving me buyers remorse...i have bought one, being shipped to me now...all I plan on doing is putting a stock ROM on there and go from there....
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lol, you'll love it, dont worry
PoisonWolf said:
While this is true, I'm also pretty certain that HTC will not be pumping out anymore Windows Mobile devices of this caliber. Their next HD2-like successor will be running Windows Phone 7 and not Windows Mobile. This is how they'll get people to pick up the newer OS in the future.
So if you like Windows Mobile for Windows Mobile and want to stick with this OS, I think the HD2 will remain in the limelight for quite some time.
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very true, the tyraosaurus rex of the 6.x line, hehe

i have now had my HD2 since it got released.. and i agree with the above. It's a great toy but not a very stable user experience i have tried every single ROM out there and still not exited about this phone:...
i have just ordered the desire wich i find to be a much better phone, but with a smaller screen im afraid
when htc evo comes to Europa i will change phone again
i have been a long time windows mobile user, but im done with that now.. i have owned almost 30 phones and have even had an iphone 3g. my favorite OS i must say is android... user experience, stability, and productivity wise, android wins in my book..
in some way i hate to say it cause windows mobile has served me good for a lot of years!

Well, thanks for all the replies!
I won't buy it right away but will do so in the next 2-3 months.
But then it has to be very reliable for the next two years, since I will be traveling a lot (Europe and USA)
For the time being, I will have a look at other phones as well.

I have the US Tmo version and I am going to return it tomorrow if they still let me (not sure if I am still within the remorse period), I tried really hard to fall in love with winmo again (was an avid Tilt user) but it just doesn't cut it for me anymore

I have a 1.66 WWE Stock ROM and 2.10 radio and I'm not having any problems at all. I don't get why people always say HD2 is unstable. The only problems I'm encountering is what to do next because my HD2 is already running perfectly.

Zuzler said:
Hi folks,
in a few months I am able to extend my Vodafone Business contract and get the HD2. Currently I own a Touch Diamond and am finally VERY satisfied (after trying several ROMs for 6 months).
I still have some doubts about the HD2, I hope you can help me here:
1. Scratch-resistance of the display and the case.
I heard that the display itself is made of glass. For my diamond, I have a screen protector and a black Bugatti pouch. No scratches till now. So should I even use a pouch/screen protector, or is there no need for it? I am no big fan of those InvisibleShield solutions.
2. Availability and (especially) quality of custom ROMs.
Vodafone ROMs are made to be backed up (just in case of warranty) and then to be deleted. Any good and fast ROMs out there which basically provide an "upgraded stock experience"?
3. microSD
There is one delivered with the phone, but I could not find the size of the storage.
4. Landscape typing
Is it possible (without any greater hacks) to send SMS in landscape-mode? For the Diamond, I always use the standard portrait mode, but I once typed in landscape on an iPhone (phone itself: yuck, but the typing was great).
Thanks so far, I hope that you can help a potential HD2-owner
Regards
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I have to agree with some of the things people are saying in this thread. Way too many people are attracted to the Hd2 because of the massive display, only to be disappointed because "it doesn't work" <-- Laughing at iphone users if you know what I mean.
Unless you are ready to handle a WinMo device, don't get the HD2. It requires too much tinkering in order to make it personally "YOURS" - and I'm not talking about personalization via pages upon pages of square iconic apps. *AHEM.
Regarding your questions:
1) I've used a vikuiti screen protector and have absolutely zero regrets. I am super picky when it comes to protecting my HD2 (going thru so many SP) so I hope you understand how much I crown this screen protector. Search my threads. I made a huge review about it.
2) Custom ROMS are always available- All the time. I use CleanEX mainly because gavin is an awesome and very active cook. He does a lot of the background stuff for CleanEX and when he release a ROM, ****, its awesome.
You should try it beta ROM, code named "AWESOMENESS" (all in caps)
3) Im using a 16GB class 6. Nothing but pure pleasure and speed when loading music or documents or games from the SD card. I had a 16Gb class 4. I noticed no difference in terms of speed.
4) typing in general, in sense UI can sometimes be laggy. Like you press an "A" and it does appear until a very split second later. But those laddyness are random. There have been lots of tweaks here and there to improve them. I never bothered, but they exist. I can live with the laggyness but I use SWYPE which has NO laggyness for me at all. =P

The problems I encountered were due to 3rd party software I installed or registry edits I made. After hard resetting phone and carefully choosing (and listing) the apps I install there are no major bugs to report.
Using only stock ROM so far, didn't find the need to risk a custom ROM yet.

lemonspeakers said:
[...]only to be disappointed because "it doesn't work" [...] Unless you are ready to handle a WinMo device, don't get the HD2. It requires too much tinkering in order to make it personally "YOURS" [...]
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That was the most useful post, thanks!
Well, basically it is the same as with the Diamond in the beginning: Requires some time to fiddle out all the settings, but then works like a charm. I have the Diamond for one and a half years now and it works perfectly. I even UC'ed mine to have the old data on it faster after flashing new ROMS.
People who complain that "it does't work" should get an iPhone imho, since everything works out of the box there.
I considered getting a phone with Android or a propietary solution (e.g. Nokia), but there is hardly anything to configure (and my beloved TomTom won't run). Will try getting my hands on the HD2 in the next weeks, to get a real opinion about it.
Thanks again!

Excuse me since I will give my point of view withot reading the entire thread.
I myself had HTC Diamond before I used an Iphone for over 3 years,the experiance between the two phones(Diamond vs HD2)is from sky to earth (I sold back the Diamond after using it for couple of days),if you have the time to customize it a bit,not necessarily ROM changing,Im on stock 1.6xx,I say you can easily fall in love with it,I pretty much can do anything with it, within my interest.Most of the problem comes after installing not so much tested 3rd party applications.
BTW I use it as my daily device and I had no such problems as mentioned in some of the posts above,may be just a new WM user beginners Luck!!

hagba, it was the same when the Diamod came out: New apps striving to be tested. Bugs everywhere. Good coders everywhere, too. So the bugs vanished after a few months.
And as I said, I will wait a few months until I get the phone, so I hope the most crucial bugs will be gone until then.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!

mines got the 1.66 rom and 2.07 radio direct from HTC......very stable.
I've had many winmo phones (mda compact/m600/kaiser/xperia x1) but the HD2 is the daddy!
Get one and you'll find it does everything your diamond will do......just faster and better!

Zuzler said:
hagba, it was the same when the Diamod came out: New apps striving to be tested. Bugs everywhere. Good coders everywhere, too. So the bugs vanished after a few months.
And as I said, I will wait a few months until I get the phone, so I hope the most crucial bugs will be gone until then.
Thanks for sharing your opinion!
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I dont mean just software-wise but more hardwarewise too,so much differance between resistive and capacitive as well as the size of the screens, however prepare your self for a pleasent surprise if you ever decide to get the HD2,more so that you are familiar with the WM and its modding process.

I have had my HD2 for 4 months now. I use it everyday for business. works flawlessly, and I'm a heavy user. lots of phonecalls, emails etc. use it as a wireless router or bluetooth PAN when I'm away on business. I have never once had the phone crash. I'm still running stock 1.66 ROM. I would definitely recommend this phone.

No crash sounds good - oh lord, what have I lost data on the Diamond based on buggy ROMs
But I will have to switch ROMs at least away from the stock one, Vodafone always has to have something special there.