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Anyone swapping his Touch HD for HTC hero?

Just wondering? I'm playing with the thought of selling my Touch HD. Getting a bit tired of Windows Mobile. Anyone else?
But I'm asking myself, if I can live with the smaller screen and lower resolution?

Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?

trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )

cbailey said:
I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
I moved to Android Hero on release day last week.
I sent the Android back on Monday and am back on winmob.
There are (currently) apps and 'things' that Android cannot do to the same quality as winmob. I don't for a minute think that situation will be like that forever, but, atm, Satnav is not as good on Android. Syncing is not as good on Android. I missed the hardware keyboard (not a prob for an ex-touch HD user of course )
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I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.

trice1921 said:
I have TomTom on my touch hd but i think i've used it once so satnav software shouldn't be an issue. You mention syncing, what do you mean?
Thanks for the input.
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HTC Sync is not the best.. well.. its crap.
I sync with Googlemail though, always have and then I have an app on my computer which syncs with Outlook and Googlemail, so don't need to plug the phone in, I have no issues!
CoPilot is a good piece of kit, IF you have bought it. The pirate versions have many many flaws in it, so I presume this is what you mean by that? Obviously TomTom has been around a bit longer so had many years to get its quirks out of its system, I remember it on Symbian and my old XDA II, it was pants then, but nice now.
Just moved from many years on WinMo to Android and I'll give it that, its different. There are some things it won't do as good as a WinMo device, but other things it will excel on. But lets face it, its different, its not WinMo, its not Apple, hence why I want it, something different.
Not everyone will want it, but I've had a Touch HD and moved to a TP2 (0.2" screen difference) then moved to this and its fine, screen size is spot on for me, no complaints at all.

I bought Copilot on Friday night and tested it on a purely vanilla Android config. Nothing else installed. It crashed each time I exited. It also did not have my second tested postcode in it. Thankfully the refund function on Android marketplace worked very well, otherwise that would have been another £25.99 wasted.
More serious was the crashing though. Just kept locking up when I exited the app.
I too run Outlook sync>googlemail on my PC. But, for contracts this is a convoluted process of exporting to a .csv > gmail. It's a kludge and not good. The calendar via gmail syncs well but not the contacts. Pretty basic stuff and should be resolved at first hit and capable locally.
Under Vista, HTC sync hardly works, it's pointless being there. All these issues are exactly why apple is sewing up the market. Their stuff is much more user friendly. I have never had an iphone and probably never will, but fundamental issues that affect the user experience such as the ability to sync are essential for the success of a phone. As I was used to Activesync in Winmob land and that worked seamlessly, why would anyone struggle with an equivalent that doesn't work?
Hero displays a great insight to the future of open phone OSs. It's really exciting to experience. When the flaws are resolved I will be back on board for sure

My main problem is the size of the on-screen keyboard. I've been using palm-held devices to write for years now, so the keys on the Hero are just too damned small. If an Android handset came out with a display the same size as the HD, I would be very tempted. If there's an application on the Market that lets you actually edit Word-type files...

trice1921 said:
Im thinking of doing the exact same and my main concerns are screen size and lack of radio. The radio, which i don't use that often, i can overcome by using web radio. But the screen size and resolution is making me consider it carefully.
I've only been using windows mobile for about 6 months but im getting bored. I've looked at all the apps i use and theirs alternatives available on android for all of them.
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I did - but I still have the WM device but am not using. I am bored of WM for now. I will continue to use android as its a fresh and exciting to try something new and a great change, which ill get even better when I start customising the device more.
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I did. I have used winmob for 9 years :S Seriously.
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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six

ive been using windows since the original SPV. I've pretty much had every device ever released from HTC. Just sold my HD and got the Hero - I dont think I will be going back to windows again - unless something spectacular happens in Windows 7!

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Seriously! nine years?
I presume you include your Pocket PC experience with that as WM has only be out six
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Yep, PPC as well as. I am pwoppa old school (just old really!)
I always had a soft spot for the SP5. I still have one of those and it gets use when I am on a night out, ie, more portable but still carrying the details I need.

Thats the way I feel winwiz, so do other people I know fortunate enough to have the G1.
I have been using a PDA since Apple's newton days and progressed to my first PocketPC in 2000 (Compaq) and on to my first WM device which was the SPV M600 (HTC Prophet) which is still in use now. The Trinity was next SPV M700 (also still in use) and then last year I got a Hong Kong version of the Diamond.
During my time with these devices the experience has nearly been the same thanks to the user interface. The Hero and android is a welcome change, although there are things I will miss with WM - I look forward to the further developments of the Android OS and the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.

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the missing things with WM will soon appear in one form or another.
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That is for sure. These are exciting times.

They need a direct sync for Outlook Contacts, call me crazy but I don't trust Google with my contact data and personally I don't like anyone else sharing my contact information with them or anyone else. Once you give them that data for free it's theirs, I'm not looking for complete anonymity but sharing my contact information is just a step away from giving them my checkbook, tax information and SSN. They have a really cool service and it's "free"... too bad people aren't taking account of what they are actually paying.
Rant /off
I am looking very seriously at getting a Hero though, I've had the Star Trek for quite a few years... (got it running WM6.1 now) and while cool. I'm looking forward to messing with Andriod and seeing what happens with the development of Andriod Apps/Utils in the community.

i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!

trice1921 said:
Has anyone here swapped WinMo for Android?
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I was using 4 HTC WM smartphones over the past years. i got bored after a month with my htc diamond so i sold it and buyed a nokia e71 (symbian). Used it till now. In a few days my HTC Hero will be delivered.
I am certain that Android and HTC fit together very good and its getting the only competitive platform beside the iphone os.

menov321 said:
i had the touch hd and tytn 2 and they are all top notch phones....for me tho winmo phones are very precise in getting whatver you want done fast and efficeintly but they lack and excitement or fun while using them. hero i feel has just about put the two together making it enjoyable but efficient. dnt think i could go back to winmo and be happy about it....... the difference in screen size for me isnt really an issue i get on fine with smaller and th ehtc hero offers 3 different keyboard layouts for those who are used to a hard keyboard. obviously personal opinion differs but mines thumbs up to android......give it a go.....you only live once!
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Ok, screen size is my main apprehension. If that works out, maybe I'm going to get a hero.

I have a Touch HD and have been considering a switch to Hero. The main thing that stops me is that I rely on a couple of Java apps that run under Winmo but wont run on Hero. For the rest, I think the trade offs are probably worth it.

Rip HD. Sort of.
Just got my Hero(HD's going to the wife) and like any other device out there at the moment(and probably forever, sadly) it is not perfect. Having said that, I don't think I'll miss my HD that much.

That's exactly what i've done. Sold my hd and now waiting for my hero to arrive - hopefully tomorrow. Then il report back to say If I think it was worth it.
I much prefer the look of android tho.

I'm in the same boat as you guys - thinking about trading my HD in for a Hero. As soon as I saw how good Android was, I had been desperately hoping someone would port Android to the HD, but that as it doesn't look like that will happen now, I think I might take the plunge for a Hero.
Of course, like all of you, my main concerns are with the screen, and also the on screen keyboard. I'm using FingeKeyboard 2.1 on WM and it's fantastic, I doubt HTCs keyboard on the Hero will come close.
That said, I'm bored of winmo, and I organise everything online through google anyway, so switching to Android seems to make sense. I also like the idea of an app store, and whilst MS is slowly working on that, I'd rather have something run by google instead of MS.
Guess I should take the plunge!

[Question] Is HTC HD2 Worth it?

I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)

As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent

Thanks for the quick response! Appreciated! Yup, one thing I love about WinMo devices is the huge community(Actually the HTC Community) which allows me to pretty much customize the phone Another question, is there any major bugs/flaws that I might be concerned about? Because I've wanted this phone ever since the rumours surfaced and the hype made all the more irresistable lol

Yes, the HD2 is worth every penny!

There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.

jagnet said:
As you can see from my signature I've had a LOT of phones in my time, but never been very happy with one for very long.
Finally , at least for me, the HD2 will be something I'm going to own a very long time to come. It really does everything you could want in a phone/media player/comms/office/game device...all be it with a good bit of the expected modding and tweaking that comes with WinMo And if you can get it as cheap as €250 then I wouldn't think twice, go for it.
But remember my analogy for having a HD2/Leo. It's like having a child.
You have the painful labour pains of paying for it (€700 in most places). The joy of holding it for the first time (unboxing it)
Then like a child, you need to teach it how to work properly (modding and reg editing). Also like a growing child, you need to put up with it's little annoyances now and then (the odd bugs that need fixing). After that, you need to teach it to be interesting, (add apps, themes etc) Basically if you're willing to put in the work it's going to be worth every penny/cent
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700 euros in most places??.. no way
But to stay on topic.. imagine when it is summer.. how will you carry your Leo with you?.. so I find that a better case in the package would have been absolutely no luxury!
Then you have the software flaws.. device.exe sometimes crashes the phone totally.. the htcmessage performance.. the camera... seems to me that Leo had to be released..
seems to me like a business decision.. release it now albeit with software flaws and fix them later.. it turned out to be not a bad decision
but.. if you use Leo with navigon (my preferred navigation software) then you will be in for a real treat.. the same if you use it to browse websites.. so as always it depends
on your usage..

Like Jagnet, I've owned a rather odd collection of phones in my life. I've never been keen on Smartphones as I was rather disappointed by them during my little spree of owning them during 2003/04 and was put off since. I went as far as considering "a phone is just a phone, nothing else" and swore by living in the dark ages by avoiding Smartphones (even though I was working as a promoter and technical adviser for Windows Mobile back in 2003/04 >.<).
The HD2 was something that caught my eye earlier this year and is the first phone that I've waited patiently for, it certainly was worth the wait! Apart from the odd niggles you get from the phone such as the SMS bug and the odd lag, the phone works great (lets be honest here, there are always minor niggles with any phone you get, even my Nokia 8800 Arte, retailing at £1100 at the time I got mine had awful bugs which took over 8 months to fix and there are still bugs that remain).
Much fun can be had with the HD2, the great community behind it (you are looking at it now ) and modding. I've spent endless hours customising it to meet my needs. After a few weeks of playing about with registry / system files and hard resetting, I've now got a phone that does everything I want, customed to how I like and works flawlessly...
apart from the bluetooth compatibility issues...
and the battery life incomparable to non-smartphones (however, the HD2 does very well compared to most smartphones on the market)...
and the marketplace which is in need of some love...
and having to change my handset due to a dodgy touchscreen within the first 4 days.
On the games front, you will be disappointed when comparing it to the iPhone but there are a few good games around. On the apps front, if you ignore the Windows Marketplace and Google around, there are plenty of places to buy good apps from. It's just the iPhone has a good app store that consolidates all apps into a nifty marketplace for you to browse.
Windows Mobile needs you to put the effort in ownership, but in many ways, I see it as a good thing. You get the flexibility to do what you want, on phones such as the iPhone, you are controlled to what you can or cannot do unless you "jailbreak". The iPhone is user friendly, everything is setup for you and for those looking to get a phone that does everything the minute you take it out of the box, it is a product for you. The HD2 fairs well with HTC Sense and it's a good starting point for HTC and Windows Mobile, there is still the horrid Windows Mobile 2003 look lurking in the background though.

Thanks for the replies fellas, appreciate it I am getting my HTC HD2 in a couple of hours, and I hope I won't be disappointed I'm pretty much looking forward to unboxing my 'child' (like how jagnet put it Most of all, I'm looking forward to WM7, though from what I've read it might take a while, but as long as it is worth the wait, I'm cool with it...

It really is like a new baby, because you will breast feed it every 2 hours.

Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck

Worth it?
If you owned an xperia then you have something to go on.
Leo is WM but with the HTC hardware & shell.
I used to own a Ducati.
My experience was, it was sensational to ride, no other bike comes close, but it had to be kept in tune and maintained. Riding it in the traffic to work would put it out of whack and it would need a nice long blat on a country road to make it right again. High performance and superlative handling made it a unique experience.
Where am I going with this?
Oh yes, performance and usability.
Clearly this is the fastest and highest performing pda phone you can get.
This, and the sense ui make it a great experience.
It is not such a good analogy as heavy usage doesn't put it out of tune so much as excessive poor quality 3rd party apps and too many untested mods.
This is partly why the though of an iphone full of crapstore junk turns my stomach, because if it could multiask, it would choke on the garbage it was running.
Sense iu means I can access what I need in a minimun of steps, but with wm6.5 underneath, I can reach down and tune it to do what I want.
Contrary to my analogy, the stock rom on Leo is pretty good, with a few fixes needed, nothing as serious as having to take it back to the store.
As a stock phone it is great, but it can be modified(tuned) to push the performance envelope and make it even more usable.
As a Ducati rider, I found it very hard to step down to anything else, and as a Leo user I'm the same.
The promise of simplicity makes me cringe as it translates to settling for mediocrity.
Mobile phone hand held computers were pioneered by HTC.
This is the latest evolution.
I love the Leo.

@Xaddict; Well said, I just got my HD2 and I'm loving it so far, knowing this community, I am looking forward to the the custom roms/apps that will be available to everyone soon (I hope) And regarding Ducatis, love em, especially the 948

knightrider66 said:
Hi Ive had my HD2 for a few days and to be honest its been a difficult transition form my iphone 3GS which was very simple and easy to use but the 3gs is very basic and doesn't allow for real working integrations.
Its been buggy, very slow compared to the 3gs, the keyboad for some weird reason is of center which is a nightmare to type on compare to the 3gs.
The phone isnt as simple to use as the iphone but for some weird reason i still want it and still want to get use to its quirks.
I have another 10 days left to see if i am going to commit to an 18 month contract, just wish i new what the new iphone was going to be like when released in june.
Its like anything personal choice your will either love it, grow to love it (as hopefully i will) or hate it.
Good luck
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There will always be a newer, nicer phone 7 months down the line....you have to commit sometime or you will never own anything!

jagnet said:
There are a few flaws out of the box yes. Some have speaker issues, screen over/under sensitive, pinkeye camera, and a few more, all of which can be fixed with some reg edits and a few cab files. You can find all the fixes and tweaks Here.
The only as yet unfixed problem is the SMS issue. Some people (not me) who have over 200 or so SMSs (why don't people use the delete button?) notice a slow down when replying. But who uses SMS anymore in this modern age of emails, twitters, Google wave, Facebook and what not Anyways for the SMS issue I think there is a workaround until HTC come up with a patch.
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Um, firstly there are NO current fixes for the loud call volume or call distortion problems. None whatsoever.
Neither are there any fixes for the over-sensitive keyboard. Yes there is a CAB floating around and it helps to a very small degree with text input but it also makes the screen less sensitive in EVERY app and every screen. This isn't helpful.
Secondly, SMS is still the most popular form of mobile communication....by a country mile....so to try and cover up the fact that the HD2 is severely crippled in this area is laughable!
We need some balance here folks. Yes the HD2 is fantastic for web browsing and video but it is shocking for calls and texts - the mainstay features of a mobile phone. Hopefully HTC will address these problems but it is in no way guaranteed that they will!

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I'm pretty much looking for a long term phone, looking forward to watching movies, playing games, surfing the net, etc. I've used Xperia X1 (was great for a while, but little to no official support), the iPhone 3g (quick, way less laggier than the X1, great for mindless games to kill time)
Guess what I am asking is, is HTC HD2 worth the buck? $500 SGD (About uhm 250 Euros) for the phone (incl 2-year plan)
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Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.

definitely (but i don't have the sms problem and i can charge my phone at work)....

maati said:
Well, no phone is perfect. But IMO, the HD2 is THE device that comes closest to being perfect.
It has some small bugs that will get fixed soon or can be fixed manually, there's different opinions on the keyboard and call quality (some say it's the best ever, some hate it) and Windows Mobile, just like any other OS (iPhone OS, Android, Symbian...) has its flaws as well.
But compared to the problems/shortcomings of other devices, the HD2 has very little issues, great hardware, great software - the closest you can currently get to perfect, IMO.
So yes, it's worth it.
Oh, and don't take sunking101 serious. He's a troll and a whiner, spreading FUD against the HD2 since the first day he entered the forum.
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Gosh, I actually thought you were making a sane and rational post until I got to the last sentence.
The OP is asking the pros and cons of purchasing an HD2. Therefore all pros and cons are relevant.
As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.

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As for the HD2 being "the closest you can currently get to perfect" - that is your opinion. Not fact.
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And so is all your whining.

On topic: yes, the HD2 is worth every sigle dime. And yes, it has some shortcomings (which phone doesn't these days with the speed they are propelled into the market). The only problem I have with the HD2 is the speaker volume which is too loud. But, I have to admit that, it got much better after upgrading to the 1.48 ROM.
Off topic: Maybe it's best not to reply anymore to the contributions member sunking101 delivers to this community. Saves a lot of time and yes/no discussions.

It's well worth the price .

The Desire of HD2

Hiya - I am finally ok to upgrade with T-Mob! I been wanting the HD2 for a while, but now they are releasing the Desire (early April according to the latest info from T-Mob). Please tell me guys, should I wait for the Desire?
- Part of me loves WM part of me hates. Like when you want to make a call - it wont, or finish a call - theres always a few second delay or it doesnt want to stop!
I tried the HD2 in the T-Mob store, it looks great, love the keyboard etc... but it froze couple times. Is this really normal?
- I like the idea of Android.. but wonder if it still has teething probs...
All of you who had the HD2 plesae give your honest opinon... is it worth to take the plunge for the next 18 months or so?
cheers!!!

Go for the Desire... I have the HD2 and i don't regret buying it really... A very nice phone with great hardware etc... The problem is the software.. HTC, and its Sense, has done a very good job making the OS look pretty... And it is, no doubt about that.. The problem is this: Stability.... Every once in a while the phone crashes, becomes slow etc. and requires me to reset it, even pull the battery when its total chaos ... It's not THAT bad, but it pisses me off frankly
The good thing about WM is the ability to customize it.. The funny thing is that it's pretty much a requirement to do so, to make the phone's software act decent...
The desire has a smaller screen, but also a more comfortable form factor.. But, as i said, it all comes down to software and longsighted view... Android is a platform of the future, and even right now it has taken big steps towards mobile OS domination.. It's fast, stabile and good looking.. What more can you ask for?

but than again.. android also crashes... (I know cause my cousin told me..)
I've got the HD2.. and I'm very pleased with it.. and yes it anoys me when it crashes.. but this only happens with custom roms and not with the stock rom.
My opinon is that your choice shouldn't just be software related but it has to be the whole thing..
And the phone is good enough to survive the comming 2 years...
(especialy if we get an update to wm7 but its not confirmed yet. we'll hear that next month.)
To me me the HD2 is the best phone ever and curently there is no phone that is able to replace it!!!
yesterday I was holding my uncles touch pro 2 and was so slow to me..

I own a HD2 and love it, very very few crashes and the latest ROM from HTC fixes most problems people had at the beginning. I've got a friend who owns a Hero (Android + Sense) and complains all the time because of crashes and bad network signal and so on.
The Nexus One received a lot of bad press because of poor 3G signals but hopefully HTC have patched that so it shouldn't be an issue on the Desire.
Also, if WM7 is as closed as some make it out to be then I personally will be getting an Android next purchase. I had a G1 with some of the first iterations of Andriod and franky they were crap, but it has had some massive improvments since then and is looking very slick and has a great future ahead. I have not used any of the 2.0 versions but they have slowly been tempting me away from my HD2 and WM, the only thing holding me back is a spare pile of cash.
It all comes down to personal opinion and how much you want to do with it and if you want to tweak it. If you are more of a fiddly type and love messing with settings and stuff then get the HD2, if you just want to use it out of the box without doing anything to it then go with the Desire.

For me HD2 is my first WM phone and honestly I have no idea why are people slagging it so much. I have absolutelly no problems making phone calls, texting or doing anything else with my phone. It's been 2 months since I got and it crashed once and that was because of me installing some dodgy app. I think people moaning all the time just dont know how to use it properly. Its the same with Windows XP, Vista etc. Some of my pals restore their systems every few weeks while I've had my last XP instalation running for year and a half and it was still all right just a bit slow to boot up.
In conclusion - if you know what you doing there is nothing wrong with WM. If you want more idiotproof os go for android or iphone.

If the T-Mobile ROM is stable, then I would say get the HD2 with the bigger screen. I have the T9193 version and when it works, it is great. I have to do a lot more tweaking on it to get it to work the way I want it. The data connection constantly drops or is off even when I have full bars with the H logo. Youtube app doesn't work on mine, I have read there is a fix where I have to edit the registry to remove the cingular settings.
I want to try Android myself, I will ge the X10 when AT&T releases it.

I;ve own the HD2 for a month now with dutty's HG v0.9 ROM / 2.08 radio. and i dont know what crashes you guys are talking about. mines is completely stable.

buy the desire android gets ubdates more than windows mobile

HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I have had it 3 weeks, not a single crash. I am still on the 1.48 ROM, had the sms sending issue, applied the htc patch, all working. everything works on my phone. Apart from sms everything worked out the box. I have applied all the tweak and improvements from Xda, made it that much better. Go with the HD2, you won't be sorry.

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Yes, because it is a much younger platform that needs those updates. WM 6.5 is already quite stable and doesn't need all those updates.
Unless you are talking about GMaps, GGoggles etc. Because all those great free services that Google are offering are very temping.

I too own Hd2 and I dont really know wheter I totaly love it, or I hate it.
It is totaly fast compared to older devices. Winmo is great cuz it can be customizable. Winmo is stable base for app. I dont use HTC slowdown programs and It's quite satysfing.
On the other hand, winmo is quite slow and ugly. You have to customize, if you want decent device. Android is really looking great. Winmo 7 (windows phone 7 series) is total crap, full of LOOOOONG pointless animations, and no functionality (and ugly too). So there is no future. And android's future is quite bright, look at all these new and nice games for it.
Thats how it is. I love my HD2, but I'm really curious about android. So both ways are great choose if you ask me =)

Thanks
Thanks for your opinions/experience guys! Its going to be a tricky decision.. I normally go for the 18 month contract so hope I do the right thing. Never used android before, but it looks great, but then Im waiting now T-Mob to make me an offer I cant refuse...

In any case, you will have to wait until the end of March. By then, it will likely be clear whether the HD2 gets an upgrade to WP7 or not.
If the HD2 doesn't get an upgrade to WP7, then I'd say get the Desire. Windows Mobile 6.5 is dead (not yet, but soon). The Desire will at least get updates to future Android versions.
Right now, there are things that Windows Mobile does better, and there are things that Android does better. The quality of the applications on Android is certainly better than what you can find for Windows Mobile (there are about 30000 applications for both, but almost noone develops anymore for Windows Mobile 6.5).
Android has perfect integration with Google's services. Windows Mobile has not-so-perfect integration with Microsoft's services (e.g. you can't sync the calendar with Windows Live). Only Windows Mobile has good Exchange support, if you're an Exchange user.
Stability? That depends. I would not claim that one of them is more stable than the other. But Android works more smoothly (with transitions etc.).

My Nexus One has never crashed, and I have had it since before the launch.

With a HEAVY HEART I feel I have to give up on the HD2 (TMOUSA)

This is TMOUSA (sorry for not being more clear)
I want to say, I love the HTC HD2 (when it worked) When I bought, at 10am EST on release day, I was in awe! The beautiful screen, all the great apps preloaded on it. I was in heaven.
But................
Here I am 2 weeks later, I'm on my 2nd HD2 (the 1st one wouldn't hold a data connection, so the tech told me to return it) and this one seems more buggy than the 1st one I had.
I want to say I know absolutely ZERO about flashing and ROMs, but I really shouldn't have to for the machine to simply work out of the box.
I again say with a heavy heart I am on my way to the Tmobile store to return it. I love the phone, just wish it would have worked properly out of the box.
Going back to my HTC TP2....maybe one day I will try the HD2 again after all the bugs are worked out.

this is not the kind of post i wanted to read about this phone. has anyone else had this kind of trouble with this handset?

ITZAWORK said:
I want to say, I love the HTC HD2 (when it worked) When I bought, at 10am EST on release day, I was in awe! The beautiful screen, all the great apps preloaded on it. I was in heaven.
But................
Here I am 2 weeks later, I'm on my 2nd HD2 (the 1st one wouldn't hold a data connection, so the tech told me to return it) and this one seems more buggy than the 1st one I had.
I want to say I know absolutely ZERO about flashing and ROMs, but I really shouldn't have to for the machine to simply work out of the box.
I again say with a heavy heart I am on my way to the Tmobile store to return it. I love the phone, just wish it would have worked properly out of the box.
Going back to my HTC TP2....maybe one day I will try the HD2 again after all the bugs are worked out.
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you say buggy....how? im using the stock rom/radio i got when i bought mine, works perfectly, its only my own stupidity that breaks it

quasi_mojo said:
you say buggy....how? im using the stock rom/radio i got when i bought mine, works perfectly, its only my own stupidity that breaks it
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because he has TmoUS...not TmoUK. The OP returned his phone because of crappy TmoUS network.

Sorry to hear that.
Windows Mobile has never been known as an OS that works perfectly out of the box. This is accentuated further by all the resource hogging crap t-mobile loads on the phone before it ends up in your hands. Flashing the ROM certainly helps things run smoother IMO.
I don't think flashing ROMS is too difficult....no harder than updating the official firmware on my iPhone....Its really just a matter of downloading a few files, syncing up your phone, and running a piece of software. Done.
Jailbreaking an iPhone.....now that is a tough job.

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because he has TmoUS...not TmoUK. The OP returned his phone because of crappy TmoUS network.
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ahh! ok,

I Have had mine a week and the device,especialy loading web pages is sooo slow. My orbit2 is much faster and user friendly. I am even considering switching back to it. So much for snapdragon.

Sorry to hear about the problems you are having...
...I on the other hand am loving my TmoUS HD2. I got mine 9:00am on release day as well and have had zero problems that were not easily fixed.
(The 2nd or 3rd day...I wcould not access the internet....although I did have data...wierd, but that was fixed simply by changing the APN)
My phone is crazy quick (stock ROM and radio / cookies home tab / and a few other simple mods) and I have yet to have a single crash (my rooted android phones...G1, MT3G, and my N1 crash all the flippin time...yet they bash winmo for this).
anyhow...again im sorry...just wish you would give it a bit more time (though I understand that you probably want to make it within the 14 day return period

Stock Rom user with no problems
I don't understand what the original post is complaining about?
I use the stock rom on the HD2 and I still haven't encountered a single problem...
If you don't understand how the phone functions then you will have problems because of your own mistakes... learn about the phone before you buy it...
Unlike the iPhone.. this is not a toy for kids to play with .. you have to know what the heck you are running on the phone and what applications are open .. anyways I don't want to make this a tutorial post...
All I can say is that know the phone before buying it...mine works perfectly fine with stock rom because I manage opened applications properly...

Sorry to hear. I've had mine since release day and loving every minute of it. I have had none of the major issues that people have complained about. Even so, I flashed my ROM to Kumar's Premium 1.5 and it runs even better on it.
The ONLY thing that I know was an issue for me was the HTC/Sense messaging app. If I happen to open that to read or write a message, my phone would start lagging and eventually, freeze up. But if I stayed out of it, the phone ran like a champ. So, I've simply disabled the HTC/Sense messaging and use the Windows text messaging app instead, and so far, so good.
I'm waiting for Kumar to come out with his Titanium ROM so I can try the device without HTC/Sense at all and maybe even try out the SPB Mobile Shell on it. This phone has a TON of potential, but alas, you do have to want to tinker with it to get it to sing the song you want it to sing.
This is one of the reasons I love the HD2 with WinMo. I'm not locked into how the manfacturer or carrier wants the phone to work or look like. There are great chefs here who have really good ideas on how to make a WinMo device run.
In any case, the phone is definitely not for everyone.

Yeah, I gotta say though even out of the box to a total winmo noob this stock rom is very solid. I haven't even bothered to flash yet, just did some registry tweaks that sped up sense a bit, really no problems crashing/freezing and that is with 9k contacts and many games added. A LOT probably comes down to tmo service if changing carriers to get the phone for some people. In my area, though, tmo is slightly better than att and cheaper.

Mine rocks!
I have had my HD2 for about a week now and everyday I LOVE IT MORE! Seriously I was coming from a Wing so I guess I had a little experience with winmo phones. I am using it straight out of the box with a few games added. A lot of music and a few movies. Only thing I have done to it was cookies home tab + editor and a reset app. Best phone I have ever seen thus far! Obviously there are things that you need to get used to...but for me its worth the effort!

np231 said:
I don't understand what the original post is complaining about?
I use the stock rom on the HD2 and I still haven't encountered a single problem...
If you don't understand how the phone functions then you will have problems because of your own mistakes... learn about the phone before you buy it...
Unlike the iPhone.. this is not a toy for kids to play with .. you have to know what the heck you are running on the phone and what applications are open .. anyways I don't want to make this a tutorial post...
All I can say is that know the phone before buying it...mine works perfectly fine with stock rom because I manage opened applications properly...
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No offense bro, but dont talk to me like Im a child. This has nothing to do with me trying to "play games with a toy" (even though TMoUSA does market the thing as "entertainment on the go"). When the damn thing doesn't come out of sleep mode without pushing the button 30 times, there is a problem, when I have to slide to unlock back and forth, back and forth for long periods of time before it will unlock, there is a problem, when the HTC Sense refuses to load mins after restarting, there is a problem. I am very aware of of what is open and how to close them (on a mind numbing constant basis mind you). I don't see how you can arrogantly assume this is all in human error and not the machine's. Please explain to me how I am supposed to be "aware" of what I'm doing, when the damn thing barely turns on?
I came on here to express that I was upset that I was forced to return the phone, not to be talked to like I was an idiot...I apologize that we all cant be so high in your IQ group that we actually need something we pay a lot of money for to work properly (without having to worry about putting it in direct sunlight and feeding it after midnight)
I am ecstatic for you that you have not experienced any problems with your device, I wish I was that lucky. All I am saying, is that I wanted to love the phone...but... it simply wouldn't work (TWICE). I did not install any 3rd party apps, I did not alter anything in any way, I always killed the tasks almost immediately after finishing with them (the proper way with the task manager).
So is this my human error? Please tell me oh great one...since I obviously do not have your intellect.

I can't stand people like np231. I had to return mine also, the phone lags and going to MUSIC caused it to freeze, scrolling through the album arts is not as smooth as on the iPhone. This is supposedly the 'entaintainment' device that Tmo claims and it can't do the simple things right.

I returned mine also. I bought it on day 1 and used it for almost 2 weeks. The biggest factors for me were the lack of a physical keyboard, terrible battery life and the total abandonment of 6.5 by MS and developers. I also hated the capacitance screen. I went back to my TMO TP2. While at the store I used my upgrade and bought my daughter a Cliq XT.
The HD2 has a beautiful screen but the screen was not big enough for me to type with reasonable speed and accuracy compared to the TP2 keyboard. It was also very susceptible to pocket dialing. When HTC comes out with an android with a decent keyboard I will probably try that.

wiggindude said:
I can't stand people like np231. I had to return mine also, the phone lags and going to MUSIC caused it to freeze, scrolling through the album arts is not as smooth as on the iPhone. This is supposedly the 'entaintainment' device that Tmo claims and it can't do the simple things right.
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guy did come out and sounded like an ......
sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your phone. i was considering one but i would like to us at&t. t-mobile is cheaper than the telstra and tempting to buy. i have a sony xperia x1a on a at&t prepaid and it works great and i think they have the best prepaid, data plan. i rarely ever get any calls and so this is my be solution for me.

Think twice about your decision.
I had a lot of the same problems you are experiencing. Thanks to the brains in these forums I have pimped the heck out of my HD2 and my release day excitement has returned. If you want to know how to flash the rom / hack the phone, drop me a line. I can give you the straight forward dumbed down version. I may even write a noob's FAQ that's a little less intimidating than the jumbly ones in here. It's really much easier than it seems. All the posts in these forums can tend to be a bit overwhelming. I am a former iPhone 3g user. I learned how to unlock and jailbreak my phone. That was a chore!! This is much easier. Its no different than owning a Windows PC. Out of the box there is a bunch of crap the company pre-installs on your computer. You just have to learn how to tweak a bit. Don't be intimidated by the brains in here. They are really quite helpful. Now, If we can just figure out how to get Adobe Flash 10 to work on our phones. That would be sweet.
-JZ

too bad you had such issues. the Hardware on this phone does make it the best on the market. while it's true that things should work perfectly out of the box, life isn't always as it should be.
it's understandable to be frustrated when you pay this amount of $$$ for a phone, but with some research & time you can completely customize this phone like none other.

phinphan said:
I returned mine also. I bought it on day 1 and used it for almost 2 weeks. The biggest factors for me were the lack of a physical keyboard, terrible battery life and the total abandonment of 6.5 by MS and developers. I also hated the capacitance screen. I went back to my TMO TP2. While at the store I used my upgrade and bought my daughter a Cliq XT.
The HD2 has a beautiful screen but the screen was not big enough for me to type with reasonable speed and accuracy compared to the TP2 keyboard. It was also very susceptible to pocket dialing. When HTC comes out with an android with a decent keyboard I will probably try that.
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that's exactly the only problem that I had with my bro's Tmobile HD2. The touch screen keyboard is even worst than the iPhone because of my small fingers and hands. Even worst, the battery is so small, and the OS needs to be developed more than what it is now.
All of this agreed aside from the capacitive screen.
P.S. I think the keyboard sucks not because the screen is small but because you don't have a good physical keyboard like the Touch Pro2.

I tride my friends iphone. The keyboard works just as good as his. It is different for the layout, so maybe that is why you dont like it.
And for those that blame WM for everything. It ain't because of that. If it was, I would have all the issues he has and I don't. Most of the problems I have is either something I didn't know about the new software, or something I added.
Battery life is on par with phones like this. Another friend ownes a Android One. Battery last about a day or so. My old Touch Pro lasted just as long.

after a month ive had enough.... wheres my iphone?

i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.

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i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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painful but true wm6.5 is a piece of sh*t & and being the os of hd2 is a big waste of its power & (hd2+wm6.5 ) is a big waste of money

i agree. Almost did the same mistake. I would advise you to get a phone with android OS. Sorry mate!!!
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You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...

petvas said:
You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...
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HD2 is a brillant phone ... if u know how to use it well.
ive also had a iphone, palm pre... i total agree with petvas post

In my opinion I think that the HD2 is an amazing phone with so much potential. I have spent countless hours trying different ROMs and RADIOs and tweaking everything. Right now I am on Energy with the GTX Theme and I am LOVING it.
The one deal breaker for me though is that my phone has the Internet Dropout problem which many people around the forum have. If it wasn't for this I would love my phone to bits. But right now it's completely unusable.
T-Mobile stock ROM is a living nightmare, ridden with bugs, and unfortunately the average user would not know about HSPLing their device just to get a working phone.
Because I am completely unable to use the Internet on my phone without having to re-connect every 2 minutes, I am getting the HTC Desire, absolutely free! This is because I have reported this to T-Mobile and have tried everything to resolve it but it just doesn't work. I am just waiting for T-Mobile to get stock of the Desire and it will then be sent to me within 2 days. Hope this helps!

The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.

ok listen, ive had various wm phones over the years and i consider myself a pro since ive had considerable time with wm. the problem i have is that it looks like no matter the hardware wm just wont play nice and it cannot be this way. Im tired of people saying that wm is for people that know what there are doing however if their phone were running tip top they never share the secret. why should i need a billion different cabs to speed this thing up when it supposedly has the top of theline processor. why the frequent lockups, why do i have to run cleanram every other minute. i never had these problems so fequently on prior versions of wm. also everybody says "i had an iphone". i had a 3g and that was a piece of **** too, the 3gs is the only one that counts in my book.... so unless you had a 3gs i dont wanna hear it. my hd2 should be wiping my 3gs all over the floor and its so not.

lilmark2002 said:
The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using << it's only for smart people >> as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is definitely not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is?

I agree with everything OP said, but thank goodness I have my iPhone still, jailbroke on Tmobile so whenever the HD2 fustrates me I take out my sim and drop it in my iPhone. My main problems are lag, slowdown, lock ups, resets etc. This is a brillant phone but I can't help to think HTC rushed this and Microsoft isn't gonna do anything else with 6.5 because 7 is around the corner :/
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The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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A jailbroken iPhone > a near limitless WM phone
People act like us iPhone users don't know how to use, hack a phone, lol, GTFOOH.

fastwanabe said:
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner.
Hyperbole! EVERY corner? Does it not make calls properly?
everything is a project and most nothing works like it should.
You've just had a bad experience. Everything works perfectly for me and I would class myself as a heavy user of most apps.
Ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****.
WM6.5 is like a woman. You have to know what to do with it, and when you do...damn it's good. iPhone OS is like one of these internet women, can be pretty but won't satisfy you in the long run.
I came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky.
When I had a iPhone 3G I had wifi connection issues, blank screens and ended jailbreaking it so that I could have any reasonable degree of control over the device. With the HD2, I have none of the above (or the ones you talk about for that matter). Youtube is instantaneous for me on either Wifi or 3G. I ended up flashing mine so that I could have WM6.5.X with the larger buttons at the bottom of the screen.
i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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As someone said before, iPhone is for people who like simplicity and WM for people who like functionality. For me, if I wanted simplicity I would buy a Nokia 3310 not a phone that sells itself on apps (or lining S.Jobs pockets).

i've read bout all the problems the hd2 had when many ppl first bought it right after release. but honestly right now, my hd2 barely has any problems. it doesnt hang on me n i can multi task n everythin pretty smoothly, im using Dutty's ROM and it works great. nice n fast, and still stable.

cgrec92 said:
I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using (it's only for smart people) as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is to blame? because it's definitely not the hardware...
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You are completely right.
And for the proof is - I use an HD2 with official ROM, with a few apps to make the interface have some more of the calendar on the home page.
I just used the settings interface to personalize it's behavior to my liking.
(The only thing that might be considered as "Tweak" thet I did - was some registry settings for power save)
So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.

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So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
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Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.

Raadius said:
Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
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As to what I can see - you are the one calling names here.
I would love to have a 1GB ROM device with a lot more RAM.
If you could make it work on the European network,
Im all for trading devices.

Mine works fine "OutOfTheBox"
I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.

Alpha0ero said:
I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
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I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!

iphone user please go back to your toy and stop complaining
fastwanabe said:
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak

wmfreak said:
go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak
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I'd like to point out that I have never owned an iPhone
I am SO sick of some people saying that WM is only for smart people!
You've had 33 different phones? were they all so bad?
I'm glad you have so much fun spending all day changing ROMs and tweaking your phone, if it's so amazing then why are you tweaking it?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, tell us these super tweaks you have applied which make your phone so amazing.
If not, then shut up, and move on, because this forum is meant to be a sharing community where people help each other.
So I recommend YOU leave this forum all together and go find one where everyone brags about how smart they are because that's all you're doing here.

It worked fine without the tweaks...
cgrec92 said:
I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
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Have I discovered every nuance, issue and idiosyncrasy about the HD2/Windows Mobile 6.5 combination? No. Maybe I am just not as demanding. I applied C00kies and BsB to practice tweaking. It took me a week to realize I like to tweak, so I applied them. It was not a necessity. The phone worked Out of the box for me. This is no different than jailbreaking on an iPhone or tweaking an Android OS device.
If it doesn't work for you then so be it, move on to another phone that is less challenging for you. Say what you will but the device worked fine for MY needs out of box, period.