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Internet Browser other than IE?

Is there any other Internet Browsers for ppc 2003 other than
the standerd one ?
have you tryed any others and what did you think?
i quite fancy the idea of a browser in landscape rarther than portrade
display.

http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxe/

Rudegar said:
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxe/
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SouthwayCorp.MultiIE.v3.0
Don't change your browser, enhance it with MultiIE! such as multiple windows, full screen mode and hardware button mapping
http://www.southwaycorp.net/
NetFront v3.1 for PPC2003 with JV-Lite2 Rel1.00
Microbrowser for PocketPC2003 with JV-Lite2 supports rich functions such as Smart-Fit rendering, Multi-Window
http://www.access.co.jp/english/index.html
PIEPlus 1.2
PIEPlus adds extreme power to Pocket Internet Explorer. It has lots of features like optimizing web page to fit in screen and more.
http://www.reensoft.com/
Netfront is very sophisticated but its file is too big, I use multiie. PIEPlus is good also.

i would like opera or Mozilla for pocketpc

i use standard pie 2003 and nyditot v3.22 and spb pocket plus
that whay i can get landscape, multi windows ect... its alright

is there another browser besides Ftx? one that is stand-alone, cause i think "pie" is way too slow

ftxbrowser seems to be quicker on my xda1 than explorer.

ThunderHawk
You can try ThunderHawk, but it's on a subscription basis.

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You can try ThunderHawk, but it's on a subscription basis.
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I remember these things from my Palm days: A lot of these PDA-based subsciption services work by browsing through their proxy. This proxy will then resize the images and pack all the 'page prerequisites' in one compressed package so that loading tme is minimized. Al of this is really what you want, but quality varies with these places.

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I remember these things from my Palm days: A lot of these PDA-based subsciption services work by browsing through their proxy. This proxy will then resize the images and pack all the 'page prerequisites' in one compressed package so that loading tme is minimized. Al of this is really what you want, but quality varies with these places.
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In terms of quality, ThunderHawk may be the best. It's from BitStream, which actually develops fonts. You view the web pages in landscape mode, and though it might be mighty small compared to PIE, the image and font qualities are simply one of the best. I'm quite happy with it during my subscription, and since it just sends the updated portions of the screen, I also save on my GPRS costs . There are restrictions, of course. Like, it doesn't work well with Jave, and multiple screens. You really have to weigh the pros and cons before making your decision on which browser to purchase :wink: .

i have been looking for something similar but have had no luck... what i am looking for is a particular option...
use the left and right buttons along with the page scroll up/down so i can do page back/forward....
fxtpbrowser is goog small footprint and has the option to map buttons not the left and right... would be nice if u can keep ur thumb near one place and do it all rather than jump up and down to reach 2 diff sets of buttons...
any ideas???

thunderhawk
thunderhawk is not yet compatible with xda2

Web browser

What is the best web browser for pocket pc 2003 ?

- PIE is still the most compatible one I'm afraid.
- Opera Mini doesn't do https & downloads, but is a much faster browsing experience.
- Opera just isn't it in my opinion.
- Minimo (Mini Mozilla) is still beta & has quit some issues.
- Thunderhawk has some flaws & is competing for the first place with PIE. It would be my favorite if the attachments to eg this forum worked flawless (PIE doesn't attach at all)
M

Try the new OPERA 8.5 for pocket PC ( not opera mini).
for me it is the best 8)

Must be something on my device, but Opera 8.5 keeps crashing on this board. So for me, & I hate to say it, it's just not good enough :-(
M

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try this one
- the best for PocketPC
Its based on the PIE-Engine with tabbed browsing, Button assignment, etc.
ftxBrowser
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/index.html
DirectDownloadLink
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/load/01e/ftxPBrowser.exe
(Just copy the *.exe to your Device and execute it.)
Greetings
HuiBuh

When I start Opera Mobile 8.5b on my Magician nothing happens (even no process remaining).

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HuiBuh said:
try this one
- the best for PocketPC
Its based on the PIE-Engine with tabbed browsing, Button assignment, etc.
ftxBrowser
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/index.html
DirectDownloadLink
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/load/01e/ftxPBrowser.exe
(Just copy the *.exe to your Device and execute it.)
Greetings
HuiBuh
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When it proves to be stable this is my browser from now.
Cheers, M

I don't have any Problems with ftxBrowser...works great for me.
(But i'm using the "Online-Option" not really often...)
And with configured Buttons browsing in real Fullscreen rocks.
Greetings
HuiBuh

Still have to assign buttons ;-) Noticed that logging in with https sites is giving me problems. It opens the same url in a new window :-(
PIE gives on the same sites other errors, so nothing is lost in functions
Cheers, M

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HuiBuh said:
try this one
- the best for PocketPC
Its based on the PIE-Engine with tabbed browsing, Button assignment, etc.
ftxBrowser
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/index.html
DirectDownloadLink
http://park15.wakwak.com/~ftx/ftxp3e/load/01e/ftxPBrowser.exe
(Just copy the *.exe to your Device and execute it.)
Greetings
HuiBuh
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Oh yeah baby! Thanks!

Ok - when i wrote its the best i don't mean its perfect
(And i think when PIE makes errors ftxBrowser will do errors to
- same engine...)
Greetings
HuiBuh

No offence I'm still exploring the features & it still gets better

Netfront 3.2

Something to read
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42017

Quick question on Opera Mobile

Does Opera mobile run in the java applet on a PPC?? Also, does it allow you to view vidoes from websites like youtube??
Thanx

Opera and Java
My experience of using Opera mobile was that I couldn't view videos or operate java applets generally. I don't know of any browser that lets you do this. Be nice if someone could shed some light on how to.
I would also like to be able to stream from the bbc video/radio player effectively. I know you can download an old realplayer mobile CAB and get the radio that way but its too long-winded.
I failed to see the appeal of Opera - certainly wouldn't pay for it. I road-tested it for a week on my Vario II and it was not only slower than PIE but loaded up web pages FAR more erratically.
When opening new web pages Opera displays a constant trickle of downloaded data on the progress bar (in contrast ti PIE's stuttering progress bar) as a means of deceiving you into thinking it's loading up pages faster. In reality it isn't.
I had frequent problems of sign-in boxes not appearing on certain websites too.
Now I use the PIE + application instead - loads better (no pun intended!)
Be interested to hear other people's views on Opera - is it ****, or have i just not given it enough time?
And once again - how do we stream vids/media easily from Youtube/BBC!?!?!
someone must know.....

1) I think the OP was talking about Opera Mini. Opera Mini loads up in the Java Midlet Manager on your PPC. It is a very small very quick web browser that functions excellantly. It does NOT allow you to view basic flash content of any kind. It does a very good job of working quickly and displaying web pages well for a PPC.
2) Opera Mobile is an actual Windows Mobile application. I agree with mrleoni in the aspect that it is quite a bit slower then the built in PIE and it does not work nearly as well IMO. It gives the illusion of being faster, but when you figure in the lag in the app when it's loading web pages up, PIE is much faster. I also use the PIEplus add on for PIE and recommend it. It has some nice features that SHOULD have been built in to PIE but were not, and it just makes PIE that much easier to use.
For general web surfing I use Opera Mini most of the time. Some times I use PIE because I need to see animated gif files (radar) which Mini won't do, or see basic flash things... which brings me to my next point.
3) Flash/Youtube... There is a flash plugin for PIE on Windows Mobile. It will allow you to view/use flash animations. It's actually pretty neat. Nothing nerdier then watching home star runner on your PPC. But, it's like flash version 6 or something. Sites like Youtube stream their video over flash, but it's the latest flash... flash 9 or even 10 now I think. Therefore, there is no way (that I am aware at least) to stream sites like youtube to your PPC.
Final thoughts:
Don't get Opera Mini and Opera Mobile mixed up.
Mini = Java Browser, very fast, very good
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good

Thanx for the response guys. Yes, i was talking about Opera Mini. I think im gonna try it out. I need webpages to load faster. Even with an overclocked 8125, pages still seem to load kinda slow using PIEplus.
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?

freeyayo50 said:
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?
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The worst/slowest browser available!
Everything is better than Minimo! 8)

where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.

k2snowboards88 said:
where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.
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Here you go.
Cheers
hrb
http://www.reensoft.com/

GldRush98 said:
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good
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Let me disagree. Opera Mobile is still WAY faster than any other fully-fledged PPC browser. It can NOT be compred Opera Mini because the latter receives "dumbed-down" webpages.
Yes, I've thoroughly tested this and yes, I have numeric benchmark results to back up my claims: please see for example this.

k2snowboards88 said:
where can i find pie+? I've been using opera mobile for right now. I like it better than the original pie. but i would like to try it with that addon. I've tried searching the forums and the internet, but im not able to find it. Can someone point me in the right direction.
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In addition, check out my PIEPlus review if interested.

rottie said:
freeyayo50 said:
Sorry to get off topic but, how is Minimo compared to Opera Mini? Any faster?
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The worst/slowest browser available!
Everything is better than Minimo! 8)
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Not (necessarily) any more, I'd say. The latest versions of Minimo (I've tested the latest nighyly - make sure you always download the nightly builds, NOT the latest official version, which is some 3 months old and is considerably slower than nightly builds) are pretty usable. Not as quick as Opera Mobile, NetFront or even IEM, but pretty usable, particularly when you take into account that it's free (unlike Opera Mobile and NetFront).
I really recommend my comparisons of the available Web browsers on my blog (also cross-posted here on XDA-Dev in the General forum), it answers almost all questions asked in this thread (for example, Java support in borwsers, the difference between Opera Mini and Mobile etc)

Menneisyys said:
GldRush98 said:
Mobile = Windows Mobile Application, slow, laggy, not good
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Let me disagree. Opera Mobile is still WAY faster than any other fully-fledged PPC browser. It can NOT be compred Opera Mini because the latter receives "dumbed-down" webpages.
Yes, I've thoroughly tested this and yes, I have numeric benchmark results to back up my claims: please see for example this.
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That has not been my experience at all.
Some quick testing I just did:
Loading up app:
PIE Load time with PIEplus installed as well = 2 seconds
Opera Mobile load time = 11 seconds
Weatherunground animated radar:
PIE = 20 seconds
Opera = 23 seconds
xda-developers front page
PIE = 17 seconds
Opera = 20 seconds
My own forums, gldrush98.com/forum
PIE = 29 seconds
Opera = 50 seconds
hmm... so PIE is faster at the first 3 sites I tested.
And considering Opera doesn't understand how to handle tel: links, Opera can't save images, and it costs money, and don't even start on how it handles bookmarks (read: poorly)... I don't understand why anyone would say Opera is better. It's pretty much worse on all counts.
Don't get me wrong... I like Opera... Opera Mini is an amazing product and it's free. But Opera Mobile is less then impressive.
I will have to try out the nightly build of minimo though and see if it's better then the current official release.

alright, I've been playing around with the latest minimo nightly.
I must admit, I am impressed. It seems far better then I remember the current release being.
And it does understand tel: links. Very nice. It doesn't have a way to save images though, and it takes quite a bit of time to actually load the browser.
Out of all 3 browser I've played with, I'll admit that Opera did the best job of rendering the pages correctly for a small screen. But I still think PIE is the best choice, and with PIEplus, has matching features to others.

GldRush98 said:
Loading up app:
PIE Load time with PIEplus installed as well = 2 seconds
Opera Mobile load time = 11 seconds
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Yup, it's very slow to load.
Weatherunground animated radar:
PIE = 20 seconds
Opera = 23 seconds
xda-developers front page
PIE = 17 seconds
Opera = 20 seconds
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Thanks, interesting; I'll re-test these. (May be an AKU2 improvement? I'll re-run my tests.

Best Browser?

Which is the best internet browser in your opinion? Obviously IE sucks. Opera is good but not free..

I think IE is pretty good with PIEplus.
Opera made it impossible to bring my TyTN back from standby and I couldn't scroll up/down using the scrollwheel on my bluetooth mouse, so that (crappy) program had to go...

Try Opera Mini. It is free and I find it great.

Can't be answered in one word. If you can put up with the (comparatively) weak rendering / JavaScript engine of PIE, then, PIEPlus 2.1+. Otherwise, Opera Mobile 8.6.
Please do check out my articles on Web browsers ( http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&cat=61 ): you'll find EVERYTHING you need there.

I'm using NetFront as my default browser. It's superb!!!
Just try it out and find out yourself. Cheers!

thnx guys. I am not sure though if any of these browsers play flash etc. Anyways I'll try and see

Moskus said:
I think IE is pretty good with PIEplus.
Opera made it impossible to bring my TyTN back from standby and I couldn't scroll up/down using the scrollwheel on my bluetooth mouse, so that (crappy) program had to go...
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Wait, how did Opera make the TyTN impossible to bring out of standby? The only thing I don't like about Opera is that the back button is so small! And I have to pull out the stylus to go back; unless I'm retarded and there is a way.

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Wait, how did Opera make the TyTN impossible to bring out of standby? The only thing I don't like about Opera is that the back button is so small! And I have to pull out the stylus to go back; unless I'm retarded and there is a way.
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You can also use the TyTN's thumbboard to control this - I've also elaborated on how this should be configured in the Opera .ini files. (Unfortunately, no hardware buttons yet - hope they implement this some time.)

I prefer using IE and Opera. I have tried Netfront few times, but it just doesn't work. Just exits itself upon start up, so no idea how Netfront even looks alike.
I've noticed that some pages works better with IE and others with Opera, so that's why I use two different browsers. However, there are few pages where neither of my browsers work.

Wiper said:
I prefer using IE and Opera. I have tried Netfront few times, but it just doesn't work. Just exits itself upon start up, so no idea how Netfront even looks alike.
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You don't lose much - the Opera Mobile + PIE + PIEPlus 2.2 + Macromedia Flash + Creme JVM is a much better combo.
I've noticed that some pages works better with IE and others with Opera, so that's why I use two different browsers. However, there are few pages where neither of my browsers work.
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Could you please provide some URL's? I'll file in a bug report for Microsoft after some research.

I find PIE and PIEPlus 2.2 to be the best lightweight, overall combination that enables tabbed browsing.
I also tried the tabbed browser feature from PocketPlus, which I personally didn't care for (I like being able to see the "tabs").
I've found NetFront to be a bit too resource intensive, but I give the gang from Japan an "A for effort" on a full-featured app!

I use PIE and MultiIE at the moment. Not a bad combo, but won't render certain websites properly - in particular some website discussion forums.
I've tried Opera and recently Netfront 3.3. Opera is a bit poor and resource intensive, and Netfront was just unusable for me - very slow to download websites, if at all. Might give PIEPlus 2.2 a go tonight.

g00nerz said:
I use PIE and MultiIE at the moment. Not a bad combo, but won't render certain websites properly - in particular some website discussion forums.
I've tried Opera and recently Netfront 3.3. Opera is a bit poor and resource intensive, and Netfront was just unusable for me - very slow to download websites, if at all. Might give PIEPlus 2.2 a go tonight.
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Yup, PIEPlus 2.2 is certainly worth it - it's better than the current version of MultiIE. See http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1170&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for a complete comparison & review.

You might want to check out minimo (Mini Firefox) as well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

PPCNUT said:
Try Opera Mini. It is free and I find it great.
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How did you stop the warning message: 'This program is trying to access the internet and is not from a trusted source etc.....' everytime you enter a url to go to?
Cheers

I not to sure it only asks when I start the program and I just say yes allow it to access the internet and it is fine.

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How did you stop the warning message: 'This program is trying to access the internet and is not from a trusted source etc.....' everytime you enter a url to go to?
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Are you using it with the built-in Intent Midlet Manager or with J9 6.1? In both cases, just answer Yes once and it won't ask any more.

Anyone know if any of these browser options mentioned support left-handed scrolling bar?
Also, on a different note, i am using regular PIE, i have had trouble logging in to some sites, anad then staying logged in. Ex: Howard forums i keep logging in and it keeps telling me i am not logged in. I'd written a message three times before i gave up in frustration!

Menneisyys said:
You don't lose much - the Opera Mobile + PIE + PIEPlus 2.2 + Macromedia Flash + Creme JVM is a much better combo.
Could you please provide some URL's? I'll file in a bug report for Microsoft after some research.
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Here is one :
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/auc/advanced_search/0,5066,___,00.html?empty=1
Select retrieve saved searches. Up pops a box to fill in with a login you can create. I am unable to enter this on PIE or indeed opera which starts to grind really badly!

popsi said:
You might want to check out minimo (Mini Firefox) as well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
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OMG!
From the website:
What is Minimo?
The Minimo has been focused on code-size and runtime footprint reduction...
From the install screen:
Instalation space needed - 8300 bytes (8.3 megs)
What isn't considered a small footprint?

Opera Mobile 9.5

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/
Think it looks pretty nice.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/02/05/
Supports Flash Lite 3.

Mobile surfing (suffering) on Web
vpoet said:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/
Think it looks pretty nice.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/02/05/
Supports Flash Lite 3.
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Nice if it's that fast! Because the Mobile Opera Browser v.8.65 is very slow... even on my X51v...
Then I made a simple test, as they did, to load The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk) using Opera 8.65 took exactly 55 seconds, and it was useless, because all the page was truncated, pictures at low res and very expanded, breaking news doesn´t work...
After I used Pocket Internet Explorer from WM6 (Football A03RTM+SP1), Options: High resolution, Show Images, Desktop. Had the same time 55 seconds, but it was readable (a little messed, but fine), pictures clear and beautiful, size ok. Breaking News at the corner of page, not usable really.
Finally, Picsel Browser took 32 sec to load, the page looks almost exactly that on desktop computer, but no video or "breaking news", the end of the page was single column, plus there is a nice "smart scrolling" feature and a fast and reliable zoom.

Opera Mini 12 seconds!

flykthewiz said:
Opera Mini 12 seconds!
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Opera mini is until now the best browser for mobile phones, wether with or without touchscreen, it is fast and reliable. Best.
xx

yes opera mini is the best . Altough typing text sucks ..

macmallow said:
yes opera mini is the best . Altough typing text sucks ..
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yeah, thats something me too dont like

Seems like we've been waiting forever for 9.5
I hope it's as good as it seems in the video!!!

The one to watch
http://www.skyfire.com/

not much to go by but at least opera will be out monday of next week...at least testing for opera will be sooner I suspect than skyfire...

skyfire..is bullsh**..i was hoping to test something new..but now..im thinking bout Opera 9.5 btw..Flash 3 but is it the same as FLash 9?? please explain..some1..if possible

this looks great, i cant wait for it. i like what theyve done with the zooming, but i would prefer there was more than 2 zooming options. i would prefer what htc album does, for example if you double tap faster it zooms in more and if you double tap slower it zooms in not as much.

Very intresting, it looks to address all the things that were missing from the last verison that i hoped they would fix like free scrolling and zoom which is awsome, cant wait!

Adobe has no plan to make FL3 availabel for window mobile although it was once touted as a multiplatform thing. See here:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforu...readid=1320006
Unfortunately the TCPMP + FlashBundle solution only works in IE and not Opera.
Edit:
Unfortunately the link has been removed from the Adobe website.
Anyway, even without FL3, the much improved rendering speed, widget, and user interface are already serious improvements for me to look forward to.

Check out skyfires flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mWUoxiLZFc