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Opera Mobile 9.5

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/
Think it looks pretty nice.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/02/05/
Supports Flash Lite 3.

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vpoet said:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/05/video-opera-mobile-9-5-redesign-is-lickity-quick-slick/
Think it looks pretty nice.
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2008/02/05/
Supports Flash Lite 3.
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Nice if it's that fast! Because the Mobile Opera Browser v.8.65 is very slow... even on my X51v...
Then I made a simple test, as they did, to load The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk) using Opera 8.65 took exactly 55 seconds, and it was useless, because all the page was truncated, pictures at low res and very expanded, breaking news doesn´t work...
After I used Pocket Internet Explorer from WM6 (Football A03RTM+SP1), Options: High resolution, Show Images, Desktop. Had the same time 55 seconds, but it was readable (a little messed, but fine), pictures clear and beautiful, size ok. Breaking News at the corner of page, not usable really.
Finally, Picsel Browser took 32 sec to load, the page looks almost exactly that on desktop computer, but no video or "breaking news", the end of the page was single column, plus there is a nice "smart scrolling" feature and a fast and reliable zoom.

Opera Mini 12 seconds!

flykthewiz said:
Opera Mini 12 seconds!
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Opera mini is until now the best browser for mobile phones, wether with or without touchscreen, it is fast and reliable. Best.
xx

yes opera mini is the best . Altough typing text sucks ..

macmallow said:
yes opera mini is the best . Altough typing text sucks ..
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yeah, thats something me too dont like

Seems like we've been waiting forever for 9.5
I hope it's as good as it seems in the video!!!

The one to watch
http://www.skyfire.com/

not much to go by but at least opera will be out monday of next week...at least testing for opera will be sooner I suspect than skyfire...

skyfire..is bullsh**..i was hoping to test something new..but now..im thinking bout Opera 9.5 btw..Flash 3 but is it the same as FLash 9?? please explain..some1..if possible

this looks great, i cant wait for it. i like what theyve done with the zooming, but i would prefer there was more than 2 zooming options. i would prefer what htc album does, for example if you double tap faster it zooms in more and if you double tap slower it zooms in not as much.

Very intresting, it looks to address all the things that were missing from the last verison that i hoped they would fix like free scrolling and zoom which is awsome, cant wait!

Adobe has no plan to make FL3 availabel for window mobile although it was once touted as a multiplatform thing. See here:
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforu...readid=1320006
Unfortunately the TCPMP + FlashBundle solution only works in IE and not Opera.
Edit:
Unfortunately the link has been removed from the Adobe website.
Anyway, even without FL3, the much improved rendering speed, widget, and user interface are already serious improvements for me to look forward to.

Check out skyfires flash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mWUoxiLZFc

Browser War! Netfront 3.5 is available !

We've already seen that Opera 9.5 is soon going to be avaialble. That should transform our web browsing experience.
Now, not to be outdone, Netfront 3.5 is also dramatically improving the speed too.
Read this article for details, and for beta test of Netfront 3.5 if you're as interested as I am.
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/988

The new king of mobile web browser is here!
Earlier today, I posted that Opera Mini 4 was the fastest available web browser I have tested. Now, just few hours later, I have to say very happily that a new king has been found. Look at the relative performance
Web site: smh.com.au
Picsel browser: 65 sec
Pie with Pieplus: 84 sec
Opera 8.65: 52 sec
Opera mini 4: 26 sec
Netfront: 10 seconds
Website: XDA-developers.com home page
Picsel browser: 28 seconds
Pieplus: 43 seconds
Opera 8.65: 30 seconds
Opera Mini: 32 seconds
Netfront: 23 seconds
Website: ppcsg.com
Picsel browser: 58 sec
Pie with Pieplus: 59 sec
Opera 8.65: 57 sec
Opera mini 4: 32 sec
Netfront: 14 seconds
Website: cnet.com
Picsel browser: 77sec
Pie with Pieplus: 54 sec
Opera 8.65: 86 sec
Opera mini 4: 25 sec
Netfront: 16 seconds
As you can see, there is no fight! Until Opera 9.5 arrives, that is.
I'm so excited with this browser war. We the users will ultimately be the number one winner of this.
Go get yourself the netfront 3.5 browser now.
BTW, Leoni, your video does not have the same basis of measurement as mine. Mine measure the time until the browser COMPLETELY stop downloading and rendering, NOT till the time when the full webpage is useable. For Opera Mini 4 for example, you can see the complete webpage and start using it at about 1/3 to 1/2 the time posted here, while the "in process icon" is still spining.

is it over wifi or 3g or ?
i ask because 3g's speed would prob variate with reception str
where wifi would prob do so less

Rudegar said:
is it over wifi or 3g or ?
i ask because 3g's speed would prob variate with reception str
where wifi would prob do so less
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Good point.
My tests were done over 3G connectio with 4 bars reception.
My service provider's speed is ok but not the best in town. I had done a test before and found that Telstra's speed is faster than optus'.
But you're right. The network speed would affect the result.
However. it should not affect the RELATIVE result.

Is your opinion that Netfront, based on your research is a faster browser of 3g?

Kenjari said:
Is your opinion that Netfront, based on your research is a faster browser of 3g?
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On speed alone, that seems to be the case. However, this is still a beta. i've already noted some bugs. The scrolling does'nt work quite correctly and reliably yet, it seems...

i'm stuck on gprs today, and have noticed that page will render then partially blank then re-render, this forum in particular. but if im stuck on gprs just stick it on simple browsing and watch it fly.
was in weatherspoons (pub chain decent beer & low prices) anf using their free wlan access!
full browsing is as fast as laptop, from what I could see.. nothing imperical, just observations such as the beowulf was much nicer than the derventonian..
nf is faster than om4 on wlan, tried a couple of forums using hybrid threading and the guardian site and all were rendered well and very quickly. so far I love itself !
however typing this in no virtual screen simple render means the end of the text box gets cut off, with no option to drag and scroll the box, using smart-fit rendering does solve this

fards said:
i'm stuck on gprs today, and have noticed that page will render then partially blank then re-render, this forum in particular. but if im stuck on gprs just stick it on simple browsing and watch it fly.
was in weatherspoons (pub chain decent beer & low prices) anf using their free wlan access!
full browsing is as fast as laptop, from what I could see.. nothing imperical, just observations such as the beowulf was much nicer than the derventonian..
nf is faster than om4 on wlan, tried a couple of forums using hybrid threading and the guardian site and all were rendered well and very quickly. so far I love itself !
however typing this in no virtual screen simple render means the end of the text box gets cut off, with no option to drag and scroll the box, using smart-fit rendering does solve this
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I noticed the same too. I hope the beta testers would point these out and get it fixed before the final version is released.
I like the trend that I'm seeing though. Improved engine, speedier rendering. Lots of third party software competing with each other.

omg, it is so amazing I can't find the words to describ it
I have been waiting years for this, why did it take them so long and why didn't ms do it ?

Does it do tabbed browsing like opera?

decimusmaximus7 said:
Does it do tabbed browsing like opera?
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Yes it has tabbed browsing.

JwY said:
Yes it has tabbed browsing.
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Yes - but it took me a while to realise that when it asked if I wanted to open a link in a new Window it was actually meaning a new tab!
NetFront 3.5 is great

Can the new Netfront be changed to read as "Desktop" mode? Currently, I can only go to webpages in "Handheld" mode.
Thanks

Kenjari said:
Can the new Netfront be changed to read as "Desktop" mode? Currently, I can only go to webpages in "Handheld" mode.
Thanks
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Select Menu/view/browser mode/full browsing.
Then Menu/view/Display mode/Normal.
This will make your display 100% identical to desktop browser.

Thanks eaglesteve. That worked for the most part. I think there are some websites that reads a certain code on the browser that will convey to the site that it is handheld or desktop.
With Opera, it gives you the ability to switch. With Netfront, it kind of chooses for you!!!
Thanks again buddy!

Java support?

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Java support?
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Unfortunately, no. Also, not able to play classical youtube videos.
I think that will also be the case with Opera 9.5, until Adobe decides to release FL3 for window mobile platform.

you can change the user agent strings. menu/tools/browser settings/menu/network
theres also some other interesting settings under that second 'menu' including file type association to external progs

I tried this on my Wizard with WM5. Neither yahoo mail nor gmail worked. For both get some kind of an error. Anyone else have this problem?
For Yahoo I get the error when I click on my inbox. For gmail it comes up when I try to login.
This is what it says:
Browser Warning
Cannot load page.
Check that you are properly connected to the network.
Type:TCP connect

sevakm said:
I tried this on my Wizard with WM5. Neither yahoo mail nor gmail worked. For both get some kind of an error. Anyone else have this problem?
For Yahoo I get the error when I click on my inbox. For gmail it comes up when I try to login.
This is what it says:
Browser Warning
Cannot load page.
Check that you are properly connected to the network.
Type:TCP connect
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I tried Yahoo Mail on Athena running wm6 with no problem.

IE vs Picsel vs Opera

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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?

I would add NetFront 3.5 in this comparision as well.

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I have been using IE with the pocket plus features like tabs, smart scrolling, etc. but have been hearing a lot about the other browsers. I put Opera on for a couple days, but I think I was doing something wrong. Here are my questions:
1. How much space do they all take and can IE be removed if I go with one of the others?
2. Which is better on speed (any proof, or does it just feel faster?)
3. Do Picsel & Opera both have thumb scrolling & extra tabs without 3rd party app?
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1) IE can be removed, but some of the files are used by system programs, and it is minute anyway.
2) PIE is the slowest, and the least accurate at page rendering, although I haven't used Picsel that much so I can't comment... Opera Mobile is brilliant! (Opear Mini, the one that runs in Java is great for not eating your data allowance).
3) Opera Mobile has thumb/finger scrolling, and tabs, not sure about Picsel though... Opera mini doesn't have tabs, and may not do thumb scrolling although I don't use it that much...

Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.

yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device

what are the differences between opera mobile & opera mini?
Can they be used effectively without esmertec java [over 2MB] ?
For the record I did read the wiki on web browsers, but I had some more specific questions that I cant find the answers to and you guys have always been helpful

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetFront <---
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opera mini == a java applet which is made to run on all phones with java
from nokia to htc phones with touchscreen
opera mobile is a native windows mobile application which only runs on that platform
native apps in general are better intergrated with the os and is often faster
pie is in the rom and if one removes it one have to cook a rom without
it and as said other programs depend on the files being there
and removing stuff from the dedicated rom space dont give more storage

Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.

aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..

Azimuth21 said:
Netfront CPU issues have been resolved with build 519, just redownload from the Access Website. PIE is the slowest and renders the worst, proof is in the testing done by the great Menneisyys here
You should read up on all his articles and Bibles, there's so much information he offers. Btw, trash Picsel. Just trash it.
Take your pick between Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, NetFront, and possibly SkyFire .
In general
Opera Mobile - high CPU usage, good compliance, speed varies greatly depending on device (so you'll have to try it for yourself). Grab the MAXSD cab of build 1126 to test.
Opera Mini - FAST. Can't do stuff like select text. Must use through a Java Manager (using Jbed, you can create a direct link to Opera Mini, so it's okay.)
NetFront - Even with the fixed CPU usage of build 519, still a memory hog. This one versus Opera Mobile is a pretty close race, it's up to personal preference.
SkyFire - Perfect rendering of everything (even YouTube videos), but that's because this is essentially a VNC app, meaning everything is rendered somewhere else, and you're just viewing a constantly refreshed image of a webpage. I don't like it, personally, but some love it.
They are all scrollable with your finger (pagepan), although only Opera Mobile and NetFront have flick-scrolling.
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thank you very helpful. I have read almost all that stuff and it is good info, but i like to have it confirmed. sometimes there is so much hype that a better option gets downplayed because it isnt as cool. All I have been hearing about is skyfire. Is it out yet?

Skyfire and Opera Mini 4.1, those are the two best ones I've come across.

Is there a way to get opera to download files other then mpeg ones? I can download avi's or almost anything else for that matter...or is opera just a browser in the literal sense?

Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Yes I know OperaMini goes through opera servers, but the difference is Opera servers compress the webpage, which is then downloaded onto the phone. With Skyfire, the webpage is never downloaded, so it is constantly using data to view the webpage being rendered on a Skyfire server. Therefore, Skyfire wins initial draw speed of a webpage, but loses during any interaction with said page (it must load when you zoom, for example.) Personally I use Opera Mini for the pure speed, but Opera Mobile when I must do something secure (logging into emails, PayPal, etc), because it never passes through a separate server.
@bartybet
I don't know why you can't download anything else with Opera (i'm assuming Opera Mobile), since Opera Mobile's download capabilities are very powerful. Check Menneisyys and his blog, he has a post about mobile browsers and their download abilities, with Opera Mobile topping the list.

So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?

Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.

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So it sounds like it is between netfront and opera mobile.
would you recommend opera 8.65 or the 9.5 pulled from the diamond?
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9.5 all the way... way nicer to use, faster, supports flash...etc..

dieKatze88 said:
Out of those three, Opera Mobile is probably the best, but NetFront 3.5 SMOKES Opera Mobile.
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Lol you funny netfront sucks opera 9.5.1126 owns it

Rudegar said:
aahh yeaah opera mini also go passed opera's server which compress stuff and pass it on to the devices
which is why it is fast
but guess if opera's server goes belly up as does it
i personaly use opera mobile but then on pc i also use opera so ..
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Same here, cant wait for the bookmark sync thing to work, Opera Link or something....
On a slightly different note, do you think opera will
a) Update the diamond to the newest version of opera for free
b) Ask Flar to take down all links to opera beta cabs.
These are both if/when a proper version is released.
Rory

ChInEsE ChIcKeN said:
yeah but netfront uses to much resources. if you even have it minumized it would slow down your device
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The CPU usage bug is stated to be fixed in the new (current) version.

steb0ne said:
Skyfire id the best to me. That's the only one that you can play videos in.
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you have a lot of alternate, REALLY superior means of playing back videos - see my YouTube Bible.

Is the herald too slow for Opera Mobile?

I'm having problems with opera mobile - after using it for about 20 seconds or so, scrolling, or clicking links, it freezes and I have to close it. This is really inconvenient because now i have to use pocket ie . Alternatively, is there a hack to make the arrow buttons/d-pad scroll the page instead of the links? Or even better, grab and scroll like in opera? thanks

Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally

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Why not just use opera mini? I pefer that to opera mobile personally
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same, plus opera mini works really well with teh herald.

Well i've never really been able to figure out mini, plus I don't like how it always brings up another window if you want to type in a website address...I've also found that mini unnecessarily takes up a lot of space on the screen and has unusable scroll bars. Also, when I go to live.com on mini, it also shows up in danish or something...

It all depends on the website loaded... My Titan slows down on pages flooded with a zillion images and the like...
That is with a 400Mhz chip...

Thing is, it slows down no matter what you're doing - it froze when I clicked on the address bar to type something a couple times...
also, is there a way to make PIE not scroll by links?

After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.

dkb218 said:
After paying for Opera mobile, I no longer use it. Its just too slow. It's a shame that pIE is faster than OM.
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Well i use Opera MObile 9.5.1 beta its very good and its free. I uploaded the cab for you guys.
EDIT: hmmm...upload is not working so i gave the link to the file instead.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401643

I have been running the opera 9.5 that has been floating around these forums that was ripped from the diamond (not the beta from opera's website as it is much buggier), and running it on my wing works great without any lockups at all.
I do have my wing oc'd to 286, but I have tried it at 200 mhz and there wasn't much of a slow down.

Opera Mini 5 is out for WinMo! OFFICIALLY!!

Yes!!!! Finally... the java one was good, but had problems running on winmo.
Now... there's a real cab for it. yessss!!! I hate Opera Mobile and it's slowness. Finally!!
http://m.opera.com/next or http://www.opera.com/mini/next/

here is the cab

Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?

crusher11590 said:
Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?
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When i am in the many areas i go to where t-mobile is gprs here in Illinois, it will TOTALLY come in handy. Much faster!

Yeah it would definetly help if your boosting 2g gprs signal..
If your like me an run 3g most of the time, then opera beta 10 is the best
Just my opinion...

And it's quite faster than Opera Mobile. I'd like to make it default browser. I have already tried the registry settings, it won't work. Any ideas?

I love opera mini in general, but this version for some unknown reason cannot accept my facebook username and pass. Thus I cannot login to that page, it just keeps refreshing when I hit Login.
This is only in FB, in other pages that require logging in everything goes fine..
Anyone else experiencing this?

great browser but how do u open email links and bookmarks from outside the browser I click em and it just opens the browser start screen not the page I want!

I had to turn the password autosave off in the settings so facebook could acepted password.

This release is brilliant! It is great for multitasking, which is a huge plus. Is there a way to make it the new default browser? (for opening links out of other applications, in my case MoTweets?

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I had to turn the password autosave off in the settings so facebook could acepted password.
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No problem here logging into faecesbook, but I don't think I've tried logging back into it yet.
I've never used Opera Mini, but it is pretty nice.. It doesn't draw very well though, I've tried several sites and it looks really bad.. Like http://geocaching.com the site is kind of organized in columns and the columns are quite narrow, and winds up drawing on top of itself.

Opera 10 beta 3 launched Veeeryy slow. It was the only reason for me , for deleting it for ever. Im going to try out the mini version.. thanks for the hint
I have installed opera mini 5 now, but on some pages, like
www.openingstijden.nu or m.opentot.nl it doesnt give any search Results.. can somebody test and confirm this please.

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Okay, question. why use the mini 5, when you can use the opera mobile beta 10?
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Because this version doesnt eat up 90% of the device's resources to run. I am constantly amazed that people use opera beta 10. You can run opera beta 10 and sense UI.... THATS IT. try to run anything else and your system starts complaining about memory.

cirrob said:
Because this version doesnt eat up 90% of the device's resources to run. I am constantly amazed that people use opera beta 10. You can run opera beta 10 and sense UI.... THATS IT. try to run anything else and your system starts complaining about memory.
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I don't know what ROM you're running but I'm running WM 6.1 and when I run Opera 10, my ram is at 61 percent. I have no trouble running multiple apps when it's running.

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I don't know what ROM you're running but I'm running WM 6.1 and when I run Opera 10, my ram is at 61 percent. I have no trouble running multiple apps when it's running.
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I think that Opera 10 (and other versions of the "full" client) suffer more from the resource drain experienced overall in 6.5 vs 6.1; I'm running 6.1 as well, and I can run opera 10 and a bunch of other stuff (text, gmaps, music, etc) all at the same time.
Also, anybody using Opera 10 on 6.5 should try running the dynamic proxy resource and nopushinternet cabs to address memory use.

eff this thing! I cannot log into ANY websites, redbox, netflix, CAG..nothing that I have to input a user name or password and check a box to remember me. I guess I'll try to play w/ the 'save password' settings, but I'm back to using Skyfire until I figure it out..argh!!

To anyone using Mini: I know we all want to browse the web that looks mostly the same as on our home computers, and often that's nice, but try browsing with Mini in "Mobile View". It's really the best way to experience the web in Mini, it renders almost everything really nicely, no need for panning and zooming, you just scroll down the page in 1 direction and never miss anything. It's very nice and quick and easy for reading newsites and long articles and things like that.
I use Mini for this type of quick browsing and Mobile for anything more "heavy duty", it's a nice combo.

I would really like to set Opera Mini 5 as my default browser. If any one finds a solution please update this thread for all of us.