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Just wondering what people are using to browse the web (other than the default browser) ?
I've tried Opera Mobile but it seems to play around with some of the text on the input area and screen (odd).

hi, had the same problem with opera. browsing seems fine in terms of speed but the language is distorted. i read the support page of opera, though it supports windows mobile 5.0 they said if you can't find your mobile phone in the support list then it's not compatible. they're suggesting opera mini instead but i haven't tried it yet.
currently im using netfront v3.3 which is so far the most stable for my atom. and browsing is so fast unlike PIE (sucks!). you should try mini-mozilla too.

for opera got funny character in input text. just copy the font arial.ttf from your pc window to atom /windows directory. and soft reset.

What do you know ... copying the font over work .... thanks Mazam.
Just out of interest, how does Opera compare to the others (Netfront etc.), are there really any major differences ?

No, don't use Opera. It's writen in Java and have good support for smartphone. Too bad. It's not really for PDA.
You can try Minimo - Firefox for PPC. Here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
One of the Minimo's good side is it show web pages with java script perfectly. Unlike Opera. Maybe Minimo load slower Opera little bit but it good enough for me.

hhck1986 said:
No, don't use Opera. It's writen in Java and have good support for smartphone. Too bad. It's not really for PDA.
You can try Minimo - Firefox for PPC. Here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
One of the Minimo's good side is it show web pages with java script perfectly. Unlike Opera. Maybe Minimo load slower Opera little bit but it good enough for me.
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what do you mean opera is java platform.. that is opera mini, what i'm using is opera for mobiles...
u can go here http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/

Opera mini 8.5 is bar none the best browser, especially when used with the 'fit to screen' option. After using it, netfront, pie, and all the others feel 'broken'.

Best Browser?

Which is the best internet browser in your opinion? Obviously IE sucks. Opera is good but not free..

I think IE is pretty good with PIEplus.
Opera made it impossible to bring my TyTN back from standby and I couldn't scroll up/down using the scrollwheel on my bluetooth mouse, so that (crappy) program had to go...

Try Opera Mini. It is free and I find it great.

Can't be answered in one word. If you can put up with the (comparatively) weak rendering / JavaScript engine of PIE, then, PIEPlus 2.1+. Otherwise, Opera Mobile 8.6.
Please do check out my articles on Web browsers ( http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&cat=61 ): you'll find EVERYTHING you need there.

I'm using NetFront as my default browser. It's superb!!!
Just try it out and find out yourself. Cheers!

thnx guys. I am not sure though if any of these browsers play flash etc. Anyways I'll try and see

Moskus said:
I think IE is pretty good with PIEplus.
Opera made it impossible to bring my TyTN back from standby and I couldn't scroll up/down using the scrollwheel on my bluetooth mouse, so that (crappy) program had to go...
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Wait, how did Opera make the TyTN impossible to bring out of standby? The only thing I don't like about Opera is that the back button is so small! And I have to pull out the stylus to go back; unless I'm retarded and there is a way.

darkjedi said:
Wait, how did Opera make the TyTN impossible to bring out of standby? The only thing I don't like about Opera is that the back button is so small! And I have to pull out the stylus to go back; unless I'm retarded and there is a way.
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You can also use the TyTN's thumbboard to control this - I've also elaborated on how this should be configured in the Opera .ini files. (Unfortunately, no hardware buttons yet - hope they implement this some time.)

I prefer using IE and Opera. I have tried Netfront few times, but it just doesn't work. Just exits itself upon start up, so no idea how Netfront even looks alike.
I've noticed that some pages works better with IE and others with Opera, so that's why I use two different browsers. However, there are few pages where neither of my browsers work.

Wiper said:
I prefer using IE and Opera. I have tried Netfront few times, but it just doesn't work. Just exits itself upon start up, so no idea how Netfront even looks alike.
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You don't lose much - the Opera Mobile + PIE + PIEPlus 2.2 + Macromedia Flash + Creme JVM is a much better combo.
I've noticed that some pages works better with IE and others with Opera, so that's why I use two different browsers. However, there are few pages where neither of my browsers work.
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Could you please provide some URL's? I'll file in a bug report for Microsoft after some research.

I find PIE and PIEPlus 2.2 to be the best lightweight, overall combination that enables tabbed browsing.
I also tried the tabbed browser feature from PocketPlus, which I personally didn't care for (I like being able to see the "tabs").
I've found NetFront to be a bit too resource intensive, but I give the gang from Japan an "A for effort" on a full-featured app!

I use PIE and MultiIE at the moment. Not a bad combo, but won't render certain websites properly - in particular some website discussion forums.
I've tried Opera and recently Netfront 3.3. Opera is a bit poor and resource intensive, and Netfront was just unusable for me - very slow to download websites, if at all. Might give PIEPlus 2.2 a go tonight.

g00nerz said:
I use PIE and MultiIE at the moment. Not a bad combo, but won't render certain websites properly - in particular some website discussion forums.
I've tried Opera and recently Netfront 3.3. Opera is a bit poor and resource intensive, and Netfront was just unusable for me - very slow to download websites, if at all. Might give PIEPlus 2.2 a go tonight.
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Yup, PIEPlus 2.2 is certainly worth it - it's better than the current version of MultiIE. See http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1170&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 for a complete comparison & review.

You might want to check out minimo (Mini Firefox) as well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

PPCNUT said:
Try Opera Mini. It is free and I find it great.
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How did you stop the warning message: 'This program is trying to access the internet and is not from a trusted source etc.....' everytime you enter a url to go to?
Cheers

I not to sure it only asks when I start the program and I just say yes allow it to access the internet and it is fine.

padlad said:
How did you stop the warning message: 'This program is trying to access the internet and is not from a trusted source etc.....' everytime you enter a url to go to?
Cheers
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Are you using it with the built-in Intent Midlet Manager or with J9 6.1? In both cases, just answer Yes once and it won't ask any more.

Anyone know if any of these browser options mentioned support left-handed scrolling bar?
Also, on a different note, i am using regular PIE, i have had trouble logging in to some sites, anad then staying logged in. Ex: Howard forums i keep logging in and it keeps telling me i am not logged in. I'd written a message three times before i gave up in frustration!

Menneisyys said:
You don't lose much - the Opera Mobile + PIE + PIEPlus 2.2 + Macromedia Flash + Creme JVM is a much better combo.
Could you please provide some URL's? I'll file in a bug report for Microsoft after some research.
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Here is one :
http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/auc/advanced_search/0,5066,___,00.html?empty=1
Select retrieve saved searches. Up pops a box to fill in with a login you can create. I am unable to enter this on PIE or indeed opera which starts to grind really badly!

popsi said:
You might want to check out minimo (Mini Firefox) as well.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
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OMG!
From the website:
What is Minimo?
The Minimo has been focused on code-size and runtime footprint reduction...
From the install screen:
Instalation space needed - 8300 bytes (8.3 megs)
What isn't considered a small footprint?

The fastest and lightest i-net browser for Artemis?

Hi folks!
I've been trying for days many different i-net browsers on my Artemis (WM6, ROM Artemis touch 3.01 WWE), but the results are as follow:
- the 'implanted' IE - sucks, toooo slow;
- the newest Opera 8.65 - slow and after 3 minutes of workin it 'swallows' 12(!) mb of program memory from 20 goes to 8mb!
- Opera mini trough Emertec simulator - so-so, but doesn't have many functions...
My question - your 'best' browser?
My request - give me advice what i supose to do?
Many thanks from one noob...

U might try netfront, skyfire. Not many choices left.

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I've just tried Netfront - When it' startting, it says "Can't save the file"?!? The "Cant't open the file" Then, when it trying to open a site, it's popping a "java script not running" or something like that massage...
And?
Skyfire working with this win version?

i personally use Opera Mini, its by far the quickest, it just lacks Java and Flash support...

Opera 8.5 only sucks 8-10mb of memory on my device. Even with multiple tabs opened..

prodinho said:
Opera 8.5 only sucks 8-10mb of memory on my device. Even with multiple tabs opened..
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thats all i usually have!! lol

When i tried ot run just ONE PAGE, it took me an age...
And when it finally opend ot and browse two times in it, it popped out "Memory is full"... and stuck!, i had to remove the battery to turn the phone on...
What the hack is going on here? Any solutions or explain? I can't understand why is that memory overloading?
It's Opera 8.65, 'the latest best opera on the web, optimezed....' and bla-bla... ??

My new favorite browser. Netfront 3.5 Concept Version

I like it better than Opera
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_35concept.html

jeffreynew23 said:
I like it better than Opera
https://www.access.co.jp/english/nfppc/agree_35concept.html
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I've been using it for the last few days and I love it too.
I haven't even bothered to try opera. I hope they will release a final version when the beta ends.
btw what build is this? I've been using buid 519.

Indeed better than Opera 9.5

Just out of interest, how is it better than Opera 9.5?
Surur

yeah! the rendering is so much much much better than the Opera 9.5. i wil stick to NetFront here on!
only down point is, this cant be used on a 64mb ram (~18mb actually available) touch or similar. this soft needs something more like a 128mb ram equipped one.
guess its off to ppc store for me

I LOVEE IT!! its better dan 9.5 ....seems like 9.5 had made my ppc unstable...with every rom i tried...

It's very well built. a bit slower than opera's loading time... but the graphics is good.. and the zooming is very comfortable thanks to the background viewing..
i will be using it as well

its ok but i prefer to see the FULL page when a site first loads up then be able to zoom in on th eportion i want (like opera mobile and min), if it cant do that its hard to for me to even give it more of a chnce , i hate having to blindly scroll alllll the way to the bottom of a huge page
i love its bookmarks though
edit::: ohhhhhhh, nvm ive found what im looking for lol, ill have to keep messing around with it before i judge again, seems really nice so far, no eye candy=faster/easier browsing . but im kinda upset it has to reload pages when you press back

Can someone post the cab here? Is there a changelog, or does anyone know the differences between this build/version from build 519.

newone757 said:
its ok but i prefer to see the FULL page when a site first loads up then be able to zoom in on th eportion i want (like opera mobile and min), if it cant do that its hard to for me to even give it more of a chnce , i hate having to blindly scroll alllll the way to the bottom of a huge page
i love its bookmarks though
edit::: ohhhhhhh, nvm ive found what im looking for lol, ill have to keep messing around with it before i judge again, seems really nice so far, no eye candy=faster/easier browsing . but im kinda upset it has to reload pages when you press back
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Can you set it to load in full page zoomed out mode? Also having the zoomed view not filling the whole screen seems silly.
Also Opera 9.5 renders the Acid 2 test perfectly, and Netfront really messes it up.
Surur

Will do
http://www.4shared.com/file/49017437/52dfb6e9/NFB35EN_WMPRO_R007CV.html

the rendering and large choice of options is making it a really really good browser.
Rapidshare.com link
http://rapidshare.com/files/117817843/NFB35EN_WMPRO_R007CV.CAB.html

Jibreil said:
Indeed better than Opera 9.5
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I agree with you, I just install this today and wow....Amazing!!!
Scrollable and FREE...I really like this one.
Thanks for share
Cheers
Mozillaxom

he he he, seems after years of ****ing PIE we have now two good browsers for wm, why not !
what i really like at opera ist this automaticly fullscreen/buttons hide after some seconds.
But both needs strong ppcs and much memory as i can see.

I like it too. Opera 9.5 is not stable for my HTC Mogul.

I'm trying..
It looks very good

mozillaxom said:
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I agree with you, I just install this today and wow....Amazing!!!
Scrollable and FREE...I really like this one.
Thanks for share
Cheers
Mozillaxom
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I don't think it's free, though it said in the mail i got from them:
*The trial period for this software expires on August 31, 2008
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Good looking out for the mirrors guys. Now on to diamond version 3, lol.

I downloaded it, I installed it, and tried it, I tried to like it...but...the scrolling around in that constant zoomed in state drives me crazy. The menu that pops up when hold your finger on the screen is a little too eager to come up, that makes the scrolling around even harder.
The nail in the coffin and the reason why I got rid of it after a little while is that it couldn't even load a PPC Geeks forum page without giving me an out of memory error. This was on a Sprint touch with nothing but Netfront running.
I like Skyfire better, no doubt!

Anyone using Opera Mini ?

I've just installed Opera Mini on my Jade and I have to say, it's pretty nice.
Unlike Opera Mobile it is very fast and the zooming and display is better for a small screen like the 320x240 Jade screen.
Since the websites and images will be compressed by the Opera servers, the traffic is lower and the speed higher. Of course, I won't use the browser for sensible data, because the data runs through Opera proxies. But for normal browsing it's great.
The only problem: I can't switch to fullscreen, because the fullscreen can only be enabled by a key combination which I don't have on my Jade. Maybe someone knows how to fix this.
But it's still a nice browser.

Yes agree, I must say the speed is pretty impressive compared with the Op Mob even by setting graphics to high. btw is is there any method to launch it direct without launching jBlend first ? Am I missing something ? Cheers.

Here is a very useful overview of the features the most popular JVMs have.
As for the direct shortcut, my jade came with esmertec jbed, here is a description how to invoke opera mini (or any other midlet) directly from windows.
The problem is there's no description how to do that with jblend (why don't you use the preinstalled jbed, anyway?)

Mine is pre installed with JBlend. I've found the direct shortcut command i.e. \Windows\JBlend_AMS.exe -R 0.jar (0 is where your Opera Mini is in \windows\java, depending on your other installations.)
Thanks.

azahidi, would you highly recommend using opera mini or the stock opera browser?

Hi !
Yes Opera Mini is Very Fast ! That Good but i have the solution for your problem !
When you are on Opera Mini go to :
Setting => Full screen
that very simple but i don't know if you want that or an other "full screen"
Bye
DarKSniper

xtremez said:
azahidi, would you highly recommend using opera mini or the stock opera browser?
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well, for me I prefer the stock opera mobile. still sticking to it. it depends on how comfortable you are with the functionalities

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well, for me I prefer the stock opera mobile. still sticking to it. it depends on how comfortable you are with the functionalities
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For me the same: I find it important that the browser is fully integrated in the operating system (Windows mobile). Opera mini as a java-applet only has limited connections to the other functions of the phone (example: direct dial of telephone-numbers listed on web pages).

MvBoe said:
For me the same: I find it important that the browser is fully integrated in the operating system (Windows mobile). Opera mini as a java-applet only has limited connections to the other functions of the phone (example: direct dial of telephone-numbers listed on web pages).
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Talking about java-applet. How many of you are using Jblend? I tried today installing those 3D games that supposedly work with Jblend..but failed miserably in doing so...need help!

There is only a java version now, no PPC version. I don't like java programs.