I have just done a hard reset and my touch screen does not work...am stuck on the Alin screen. Is there ANY way to bypass the align screen without tapping the screen?
I have been advised to delete the 'welcome' file on startup, but I cant seem to acsess the 'windows' file exploring thru activesync.
ANY HELP please!!
if you dont align the screen it will not be preasure sensitiv anymore
making the device somewhat crippled
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if you dont align the screen it will not be preasure sensitiv anymore
making the device somewhat crippled
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well since his touch screen doesnt work, how much more crippled can it get if he bypasses the align screen?
but i think you can just use your stylus and push the reset hole. I remember i had a big giant crack on my old MDA phone, so my touch screen was pretty messgaed up. And i was still able to flash it and hard reset it.
I think I either just popped the battery out or I did the pin hole reset.
If you cant pass the Align screen than most likely you are missing the drivers for the touchscreen interface,
If u're flashing ur own rom make sure there is a driver for the touchscreen included
quite simple:
create a file named "welcome.not" (just a empty file!) - copy it to the SD-card - reboot ...
does work on almost every device.
if it doesn't work on herald - try: http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=244
(download: http://www.codefactory.es/descargas/family_1/product_3/MSP_RemoteAlignment.zip)
Thank You Baal, I have tried what u said and its worked wonders.....Thank u again
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thanks baal...that welcome.not worked like a charm!
It's been over 2 years since this was posted. I've just come across the same problem with my Kaiser and the welcome.not trick still works! Excellent. I love this place.
Well, alternatively you could connect the wing to your computer, using activesync, then browse it using windows explorer, and delete the welcome file from the start up folder
Clipped Wings
Thanks guys... That welcome.not trick worked great!
Yup! "Welcome.not" worked here as well! Had a friend's Herald (T-Mobile "Wing") with a screwed-up touch screen that just wanted to use it as a phone until he can replace the screen, and I needed to do the T-Mobile ROM update on it to get it to make calls properly again. The ROM update triggered the Welcome thing, which started with none other than "Tap screen to set up your Windows Mobile device"! Well I can't tap the screen with a broken digitizer!
I tried removing "welcome.lnk" from \Windows\Startup, but that left the PPC in a horribly malfunctioning half-state, where the Start menu wouldn't appear, and only the Phone functionality worked. Restoring "welcome.lnk" and adding "welcome.not" to the MicroSD card worked perfectly. It brought up the "Welcome" screen but did not say "Tap screen..." - that text was just omitted from the screen, and about 10 seconds later, it took me to the Today screen! Woohoo!
I also found it hard to believe how incredibly usable a PPC is without using the touchscreen...! I installed a game, set up the phone, and played the game, all with the buttons.
I just replaced a screen in a Trinity (Dopod D810). The touchscreen initially wasn't calibrated correctly so I ran the alignment tool in the settings, and after a few attempts, I calibrated it properly and the touchscreen was working perfectly. Now the touchscreen is not working properly. The top half of the screen responds to touch, but no matter where I press in that region, the screen thinks I'm pressing the top-right corner. When I run the alignment again, it responds to all the touchpoints but it never successfully calibrates and it keeps bringing me back to the alignment screen.
The current settings in the registry entry for touch calibration are as follows:
484,558 244,286 263,815 750,820 707,295
I've found a few other threads here (the most helpful being http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355010) and I've tried the settings from that thread. The screen seems more responsive, but still not correct because the bottom half hardly responds and the top half seems to respond when it feels like it.
Can someone please post their D810 touchscreen settings so I can try it? I've tried the settings from my Touch Cruise, but the screen is still doing weird things.
This is a customer's phone so I need to have this fixed ASAP.
I'm thinking that it may be a faulty digitizer, but that won't explain why it worked perfectly when I first calibrated it.
*Edit: Finally got it to work! I just made a bunch of files named welcome.not & I guess one of them worked. Thanks for this valuable information!*
how did you create welcome.not
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how did you create welcome.not
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YEAH MATE >>>how did you create welcome.not<<< I know it`s looks realy silly as everyone seem to be know how 2 but hmmm yup I don`t know how to so pleased tell us how to do so ,,,
I put the sd card on my comp, opened it up, right clicked the open box & created a new text document, new word document, etc (there is a list of what new files you wish to create). I created one of everything, put the card back in the phone & rebooted....presto! No alignment screen!
can anyone give the calibration data for their wing plzzz. its in registry. HKLM/hardware/device/touch. plzzz
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I am tired of the screen alingment process every time i do a hard reset.
Can it be removed?
I have the A30.09 ROM wallaby
RSU 33.02
Bootloader Ver. 5.15
I think you've never use a PDA that had a messed up alignment. Believe me, the alignment process is there for a good reason. Wihout it you can't reliably type or select items.
The process is needed because the screen touch sensor response varies from unit to unit, and this is how you can get a consistent response.
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I am tired of the screen alingment process every time i do a hard reset.
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Just for curiosity, why do you need this much of hard reset ?
i've bee upgrading using ROM kitchen and there is always something i don't like or use regarding the additional software hence the hard resets.
Obviously a misunderstanding -- the screen alinement i figured if removed from the startup process doesn't mean it won't be available under start settings and system when you need it and therefore would use less ROM. I believe i read that that is possible somewhere but can't remember.
Not really the screen alinement is part of the ROM removing it would mess things up big time...
Beside again why those many Hard Resets??? if you continue like that you wont need to remove the the screen alinement you will need a new device.
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the screen alignment + all the usual startup cut & paste junk has been removed on previous cooked roms, so I know it can be done, and I know wut u are talkin about...after a while, those things can get very annoying
Finally!
Someone who knows what i'm talking 'bout.
The hard reset are to try different ROM installed apps after flashing a ROM kitchen. It's not that unusual in this forum...read the posts. If something happens I have copies of ROM backup on SD card, PC and all the tools necessary to get my XDA up and running.
Hi lawrence,
I'm searching too for a solution on this! If anyone knows how to remove that cut 'n paste and align screen, I would like to know that!
The reason why, is that I'm creating applications for some people that like to forget to charge... :?
After a weekend, they sometimes have a hard-reset. Now I need to create my own ROM that reinstalls those applications without that setup-screens!
Sam
I still think that the fact that you want to remove the screen alignment from the cold start process shows that you don't understand why it's there in the first place. It's not just to teach the user how to click on the screen. If the screen alignment isn't done you can end up with clicks being registered in the wrong place.
I can understand deleting the tutorial, but IMO a guy who lets his battery run down to the extent that it needs a cold boot will also not be able to figure out that he needs to go find the screen alignment program when his screen clicks get all weird on him...
the screen alinement i figured if removed from the startup process doesn't mean it won't be available under start settings and system when you need it
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well how can you choose the screen alinement if the screen dont understand where you are pressing because of lack of alinement
OK,
Let me say that the alignment is importent, but that cut 'n paste and setting up the time-zone is something I really don't need for a good PDA-Setup...
Any suggestions?
Sam
A while ago I did think of a way to not have to align at every coldboot:
- save the alignment parameters somewhere in ROM
- have welcome.exe check for the presence of alignment data in ROM,
and use those, in stead of calling TouchCalibrate.
- if no calibration data is found in ROM, then after calling
TouchCalibrate save the data in ROM.
the calibration data is stored in the registry in this key:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH]
"CalibrationData"="507,517 150,237 153,781 866,782 861,241 "
I also noticed that the xda-2 is much better aligned without calibration than the xda-1.
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OK,
that cut 'n paste and setting up the time-zone is something I really don't need for a good PDA-Setup...
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I have the same problem. Sometimes when I should change SIM for some reason, I should remove battery for couple of seconds. The following occurs:
1. Device reacts as during hard reset: align, cut-n-paste, installs T-Mobile apps, soft resets, the installs something again.
2. Then I should go to SD card to start sprite backup file restoring. It asks me whether i want to restore or not, then to start or not, then restores 16 M and asks wanna soft reset or not again (stupid process).
3. I don't know why, but default today screen theme which recorded in sprite backup file is usually broken, so I need to tap Settings/Today/Spiral/OK/Default Theme/OK
4. After all I should set correct date and time hence it resets to Sep.2003.
All these steps take about 5 minutes!!!!!! And this is after TWO seconds of work without battery.
The question is: is there any way not to perform all these annoying operations when i leave XDA without main battery for some time. As I know, there is internal battery in XDA, which have enough energy to keep rom alive for this time.
Briefly, I will be happy, if XDA will do soft reset instead of hard when I change my SIM.
Anybody help please!
Hi guys,
My touch screen is cracked and unfortunately I did a hard reset. Everything was working perfectly before but I wanted to clean up my phone before I receive new touch screen and fix it.
Now when I turn the phone on, it asks me to do alignment of the screen. Unfortunately I can't do that because my touch screen doesn't work properly. However, there is only 1 or 2 spots which respond to touch.
My question is: can I skip/pass this step (align the screen) and get inside the phone to use it without the touch screen as I could before hard reset?
Thank you very much for any replies and suggestions,
Tom
After hard reset, connect the phone to the PC
The PPC will stop at the align touch screen bit obviously - but active sync will still allow you to set up a partnership.
Set up a partnership and navigate to Windows\Startup on the device
Delete Welcome.lnk from that directory.
Soft Reset
The welcome program where you align the screen and are forced to prove to Microsoft that you don't actually fall to the floor in a confused fit because right clicking is tap and hold, should not run.
Let me know if that works, as I've never actually tried it.
thanks
Lewis
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After hard reset, connect the phone to the PC
The PPC will stop at the align touch screen bit obviously - but active sync will still allow you to set up a partnership.
Set up a partnership and navigate to Windows\Startup on the device
Delete Welcome.lnk from that directory.
Soft Reset
The welcome program where you align the screen and are forced to prove to Microsoft that you don't actually fall to the floor in a confused fit because right clicking is tap and hold, should not run.
Let me know if that works, as I've never actually tried it.
thanks
Lewis
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Hi,
thank you for suggestion but i can't delete this file. it says: "Cannot delete file welcome: The file may be in read-only memory, on a write-protected disk, or currently in use by another application." Probably it's the last thing that blocks deleting b/c after restarting a phone the screen pops-up saying "Tap the screen to set up your Windows Mobile-based device"
What else can i do in that case?
Thank you,
Tom
Hmm its only a shortcut so it can't "be in use". Its only a symbolic link to another file.
Don't know to be honest - can you not remove the read only attribute (right click properites)? Try that. If i think of anything else Ill let you know.
Lewis
This page suggests some options
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?cat=143
Let us know if any of them work
Thanks
Lewis
I can't change any attributes. When i checked properties it says it's a system file and all attributes are grey.
I will try what it's said on the website that yuou pointed.
Thank you,
Tom
ok, i tried the solution described in this article . Downloaded a program called Remote Screen Alignment from this website. File is placed in the very bottom section of the site. If you want to use this program, I suggest to download User's Manual placed below as well.
After installing this program on your computer, run it and chose one of the options. Program has few features that you might want to use in the futer. One that I used was SKIP, basicaly to avoid the Align Screen step after hard reset because my touch screen is broken.
Once again thank you BigDamHero for your help.
Please feel free to ask me if you have any questions.
Thanks,
Tom
hello there, also got cracked touchscreen on my mda vario (GERMAN!) 've tried to skip align screen with remote screen alignment - but doesnt work, i think becuz of german rom version (welcome.ink is called willkommen.ink in german, i think the app doesnt find the welcome.ink and i get an error). ive also tried installing pocket controller prof. but i cant install it becaus i need to get out of the align screen menu - but i cant do that. any1 got other ideas how to get rid of the ts align screen? thanks
regards
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This page suggests some options
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?cat=143
Let us know if any of them work
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I tried these programes but what can I do if my phone doesn´t have any working point on touch screen? So, I can´t pass the step "Tap the screen to set up..."
Thanks for your answer.
The problem is new ROMs didn't activate USB serial Sync Mode at beginning. Insteead of this is RNDIS Sync Mode or some other things. So, activesync wasn't activated.
I've got an Hermes with a broken touchscreen. I hard reset it and now it is stuck on the screen saying "Tap the screen to set up your Windows Mobile based device." I tried pressing all the buttons and doing hard and soft resets, but nothing will get me past that screen.
Anyone have any ideas to get past that first screen? Is there some way that I could access it through my PC and modify some file that would make it think that I had set it up already? (I flashed it with wm6 if that makes any difference.)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also I tried to delete welcome.* files, but it is impossible due to ROM protection.
Very simmiliar to my problem is this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370363
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I've got an Hermes with a broken touchscreen. I hard reset it and now it is stuck on the screen saying "Tap the screen to set up your Windows Mobile based device." I tried pressing all the buttons and doing hard and soft resets, but nothing will get me past that screen.
Anyone have any ideas to get past that first screen? Is there some way that I could access it through my PC and modify some file that would make it think that I had set it up already? (I flashed it with wm6 if that makes any difference.)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also I tried to delete welcome.* files, but it is impossible due to ROM protection.
Very simmiliar to my problem is this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370363
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You need a Remote Screen Alignment program. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1694985&postcount=3
Mike
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You need a Remote Screen Alignment program. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1694985&postcount=3
Mike
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Thank you, but when I press Skip button the following message box appears :
"An error occured while trying to perform the operation"((((...
Are there alternatives?
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Thank you, but when I press Skip button the following message box appears :
"An error occured while trying to perform the operation"((((...
Are there alternatives?
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I wish you hadn't said that!! It's nearly three years since wrote that piece and 've forgotten more than I remember.
I ass ume when you say you tried soft resets, you mean doing a soft reset after a hard reset but before it gets to the screen alignment stage?? If not then try it (but I guess you have)
I notice the the website for remote alignment has been updated. It may be worth gong to the first link and getting the device specific application rather than the older one I gave in a link.
There were several threads on this in the past, it may be worth searching on remote alignment.
It wll probably take me as long to track the problem as you, I'll see if I get time later.
Mike
Thank you very much!
Not sure this will be much help, but some more ideas perhaps:
I have done some searching, but only found a couple of cases where folk were getting the same error as you. In those cases it appeared to be that they were using Vista (and therefore not Active Sync) or they were connected but without a complete Active Sync pairing. There is also the suggestion that connecting as "Guest" is not productive.
The summary of the routine things to try appears to be:
1
Enter data to the WM registry from PC. Find a key by this name or similar.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH]
"CalibrationData"="1922,1957 3330,639 3317,3276 600,3230 609,677
(This data varies according to screen size and therefore devices differ, though it hardly matters if the screen is totally unresponsive.)
2
Use the codefactory remote alignment program – BUT
Use XP not vista
Pair up with Active Sync but not as “GUEST”
3
Navigate to the windows directory on the PPC and delete file called welcome.exe If it will not delete, try re-naming it.
4
Create a blank file on you pc called welcome.not and place it on the root of your storage card.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355010
Mike
Create a blank file on you pc called welcome.not and place it on the root of your storage card.
!!!!!!!IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx a lot Mike. Thanx a lot xda-developers.com
Donate as soon as possible
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Create a blank file on you pc called welcome.not and place it on the root of your storage card.
!!!!!!!IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx a lot Mike. Thanx a lot xda-developers.com
Donate as soon as possible
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Sometimes we get that "warm glowing feeling all over"!
Mike
Well, I'd like to post some of my oservations concerning this problem...
Remote Screen Alignment really works. But! It works (as I suppose) only in situations, when Windows/Startup Folder is present (or some files in this folder). I'm not sure, but it may be.
If this folder is missing, try to put welcome.not simple text file in the root folder of your mobile storage.
In my case, this folder was absent so I had a frustrating exception handler (as I might guess).
Good luck, guys .
I just recently upgraded from windows mobile 6.1 to windows mobile 6.5 on a htc touch dual (neon 300). Everything is great so far, but i have a couple problems i noticed since then and i was hoping someone here might have the knowledge to help me out.
1) First thing, was when i tried to enter the cube or whatever its called by gliding my finger from the bottom of the screen up, the error "" comes up, and i have to press the middle button to get it to go away and be able to use the touch screen again.
2) Second thing i noticed, was I installed a chinese input keyboard, but it will not let me change the keyboard to the chinese one. when i click on it to change it, it just goes back to the regular english keyboard automatically. I tried to change it in settings personal, input, but it when i exit, it just goes back to the regular keyboard. for some reason, it actually worked one time and the main keyboard was the chinese one, but then i changed it back because i wanted to just be able to change to the chinese keyboard, not have it as my main keyboard, now it won't work again.
3) So I searched around, found a program called SIPchange, installed it. didn't work. when i restarted my phone, the error "" came up, so i'm figuring there must be some problem related to all of this.
I did a lot of searching and couldn't find anything helpfull. I got a new biotouch.exe file that was supposed to replace my old biotouch, but there is no biotouch.exe file in my phones memory (and i turned on show all files including system files)
I would be greatly appreciative of any sort of help, thank you very much!
Hi,
I have found tips over the forums on how to improve the screen sensitivity of your WinMo resistive touchscreen
1) When calibrating your screen, tap the cursor hairs as accurately and as lightly as possible. I use a toothpick for this, it has a fine tip. You will notice immediately how much more responsive your screen is!
2) Another method I found was:
a) Install Attached .cab / Reg Tweak
b) Soft Reset
c) Be Amazed at your Screen Sensitivity!
This is a little .cab file / reg tweak created by kevinpwhite (all credits to him)
EDIT: Many people in the thread have said that it has calibrated their screen wrong and they can't navigate it (cab/reg) This has resulted in a hard reset to get the touchscreen back(due to different touchscreen resolutions etc) I will investigate more into this and create a new version, if possible. Please use it at your own risk, and be sure to create a backup of your device.
Originally by Reix2x
Hi, dudes, my HTC WIZARD gets "untouchable" after this installation, but i found the way to solve it! =D
1- Download: CeRegEdit (u can found it on Google, with this u can explore your mobile reg trough your PC)
2- Open it (with your cell phone connected in ActiveSync)
3- Go to Tools, and select "Unlock registry" (your registry will be "Editable")
4- Navigate to:[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH] and change this values to your defaults:
"CalibrationData" and "MaxCalError" (you have to found the values for your phone, here in XDA i foud the values for my phone)
5- Softreset
I hope to help someone, and i hope than no one had to make an horrible hardreset
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This was created specifically for the TG01, but i think that the WinMo stored values are the same across all devices. It simply changes a reg key to increase the screen pressure to the max.
Please give me feedback if it works for you!
Please hit the THANKS BUTTON if you like this!
well, this just ****ed over my omnia, and i can't access it from my computer as i dont have a connect cable. any tips on how to bring it back to normal without hard reset?
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well, this just ****ed over my omnia, and i can't access it from my computer as i dont have a connect cable. any tips on how to bring it back to normal without hard reset?
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please read the xda rules... no bad language.
This cannot possibly cause ANY damage. i have tested it on various winmo devices (touch hd etc) if so, explain?
Also describe your problem better. how is that gooing to help me, by just saying it ________ my Omnia!
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please read the xda rules... no bad language.
This cannot possibly cause ANY damage. i have tested it on various winmo devices (touch hd etc) if so, explain?
Also describe your problem better. how is that gooing to help me, by just saying it ________ my Omnia!
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any feedback from anybody? Quite a few downloads butno response to whether it actually works!
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any feedback from anybody? Quite a few downloads butno response to whether it actually works!
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i've tested in my O2 LIFE WM6, at the first time i got trouble, i couldnt tap my screen well. when i tapped all screen, it connected to bottom right screen.
i used my navigation button to reach the SETTING-SYSTEM-SCREEN-ALIGN SCREEN.
the align screen works. then i used a srynge to calibrate it (dont try this at home), the final result is........
WORKS GREAT LIKE A CHARM!!
my screen becomes more sensitive! I dont need my stylus anymore, with resco keybord typing is so much fun.
THANK YOU..
reykaivory said:
i've tested in my O2 LIFE WM6, at the first time i got trouble, i couldnt tap my screen well. when i tapped all screen, it connected to bottom right screen.
i used my navigation button to reach the SETTING-SYSTEM-SCREEN-ALIGN SCREEN.
the align screen works. then i used a srynge to calibrate it (dont try this at home), the final result is........
WORKS GREAT LIKE A CHARM!!
my screen becomes more sensitive! I dont need my stylus anymore, with resco keybord typing is so much fun.
THANK YOU..
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Glad it works mate!
I cannot get what is the deal?
babak_1274 said:
I cannot get what is the deal?
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this sets your screen sensitivity to the maximum allowed pressure point. So your resisitive touch screen will require a light touch to register changes.
This is what loads of people complain about? Poor screen sensitivity? So try this out!!
I didn't feel any difference in my Rhodium...
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I didn't feel any difference in my Rhodium...
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which method did you use?
babak_1274 said:
I cannot get what is the deal?
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I've installed on my diamond 2 and I have been the same as the other: to do a reset, I have completely lost the calibration of the screen. Through "My mobile" I could recalibrate it, but do not notice any difference ...
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I've installed on my diamond 2 and I have been the same as the other: to do a reset, I have completely lost the calibration of the screen. Through "My mobile" I could recalibrate it, but do not notice any difference ...
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Thanks for trying amyway! It certainly works for me though. It just recalibrates the reg entries for screen sensitivity. It wont male a huge difference!
Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
No one else to try?
Just used the Calibration method on my Rhodium400, seems to work, but maybe it's just my head!
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Just used the Calibration method on my Rhodium400, seems to work, but maybe it's just my head!
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thabks for the feedbakc! glad it works!
I always thought that this couldn't really be done. Tried many before and didn't see a difference. Then again I can't help myself so I will try this out too.
why didn't you come up with this earlier? i wasted two years using my htc jade with this insensitivity, finally a solution
thank you so much
Okay, I will try it now, but we need to know if there are a way to uninstall it safely in case if anything wrong happen like that one who had the Omnia, also you should type if we have to recalibrate the screen points after installing the tweak on all devices or what.
Thanks in advance.
tried it on my hTC Gene (P3400) running 6.5.5 and i got the same problem mentioned in post #5...dead unresponsive screen with a few taps being wrongly located towards the bottom right of the screen...so had to go into the screen setting via my D-pad and re-align the screen to enable it again
i think problem has something to do with the screen resolution (mine is qvga)
faced similar issues when trying a screen sensitivity improvement hack meant for wvga screens i found somewhere within the forums...
anyways nice job...its great to see some people still trying to make an effort to keep WinMo going!! keep up the good work!!
she7ata said:
Okay, I will try it now, but we need to know if there are a way to uninstall it safely in case if anything wrong happen like that one who had the Omnia, also you should type if we have to recalibrate the screen points after installing the tweak on all devices or what.
Thanks in advance.
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first try method one of calibrating your screen on your own
if you try method two of installing the cab thenall you have to do is run the cab file and soft-reset your device
if its worked, and we hope it does, then that should be it, you should have a screen which is more responsive
if you get a frozen screen just navigate to settings/system/screen and align your screen again to get it to work using the direction keys if you have them or by any other means
or hard reset to undo the settings
i'm just sharing whatever info i have...do tell me if i've left anything out