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hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
orfe said:
hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
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The OMAP processor is dual core so for day to day tasks you will not notice the difference as each processor core takes up the work. On a single processor intesive task, say, watching video, then you will notice the slow down.
Or VOIP or navigation or video or ... or ... - the list is endless where OMAP not only is slower but feels a lot slower too. I tested the new wizard of my boss and my god does my magician fly compared to the wizards speed. What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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I agree. I'm quite puzzled as to why HTC went down this route. :?
As you all,, (who know that -TOUCH HD- IS NOT a shiny brick with a big screen),, know HTC TOUCH HD has a Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu...
The Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu IS a DUAL CORE CPU----- in this page: http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas..._on_Qualcomms_Advanced_Dual-Core_Chipset.html : its written """Qualcomm has optimized the Android software by integrating it with Qualcomm's MSM7201A-a single chip, dual-core solution that combines high-speed processing, hardware-accelerated multimedia capabilities, 3D graphics and built-in, multi-mode 3G mobile broadband connectivity for an optimal wireless experience.""""
HTC TOUCH HD has the same cpu as the G1!!!!
So I wish to know-- is it possible to get these two cores working in Windows Mobile 6.1, with any ROM or Tweak,or will we have to wait for WM 6.5 or WM 7???? (btw does WM6.5 use dual core)
If you didnt understand something, then ask-- Ill try to tell it differently!!!
Im latvian and Im still learning English!!!
btw full HD specs-- http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469
think it's more driver related issue.
xmoo said:
think it's more driver related issue.
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Its not an issue, or maybe it is....-- I have heard that WM6.1 just doesnt support Dual Core but WM 7 will support it....---- That means that somewhere or someone has these drivers or anything to make our Touch HD support dual core
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
AFAIK, it's a lower level than drivers; multi-core support would have to be built into the scheduler of the kernel. So don't get your hopes up.
deepinside88 said:
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
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I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
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I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
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does this kernel support multi core cpu and is this testable? i know the speed is really nice but it this quite faster than an optimized win 6.1 rom?
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
Feromon said:
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
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Yes it is idle if you use WM 6.1 ( all of us use it !!!! )
Android supports dual core-- uses both cores!!
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
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excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
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They are working on that.
thomas.clatter said:
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
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Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
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I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
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No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
I think at the moment Linux/Android is our best hope
I'm sorry, but can you post proof? A link to an official document stating the device actually has 2 CPU CORES?
The Qualcomm MSM720X chipset has one cpu core, and a gpu which are on the same chip. That's all.
And no, there's no driver for it. Why do you think there are so many topics about a Graphics driver missing in MSM720x devices? Simple. Because Qualcomm never released them in public, and OEMs have to pay licensing fees for them.
Please don't confuse people on XDA with this rumors based on nothing, research your stuff before making a topic out of it.
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No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
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Must we trust you, a random guy from latvia, who disses a phone off in his signature wich you couldnt compare to.(toshiba)
Should we trust you just if you say that you read somewhere that the chipset supperts dual core?
Mayb the guys from qualcomm mean that there is ONE cpu, and ONE gpu...so 2 cores on the same chip...dual core?
Hey and why HTC pay for a chipset who is not using it's full capabilities...i think they learned from the TyTn II driver debacle and dont do this anymore.
Theres no such thing as dual core in our chipsets, it is only CPU+GPU.
Gr Bram
excuse me for my english
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
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thomas.clatter meant Android, not win mobile 6.x and with his android - text he`s right, one cpu is for the gsm (and so on) stuff, the other is for the OS.
i hope we get our second cpu back from idle somehow.. -> android
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so, finally, its not the same CPU series from Qualcom like in the G1 Phone from HTC? Then we can stop the discussion about dual core @ blackstone - for sure.
REALLY BIG MISUNDERSTANDING (FOR ME)
THE CPU IS DUAL CORE AS CPU AND GPU INTEGRATED ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_phone --- by the cpu spec is written dual core- cpu/gpu, basicaly its dual core as one cpu and one gpu -- I gues the PC and PPC worlds arent so even!!!
MY MISTAKE, BUT PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTANDING IT EVERYWHERE--- JUST GOOGLE IT, PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED EVERYWHERE, AND IM ONE OF THEM :| !!!!!
SORRY FOR THE BIG CONFUSION, DELETE THIS WHOLE THREAD PLEASE!!
Coming from the Rokr E6(that came out in 2006) that has a intel PXA270 Rev7(v51) processor, a part from the built Ati graphic chip in the Qualcomm I am very dissapointed. I know the the processors are different but come on, The E6 was clocked at 312MHZ and could be boosted to 530MHZ and 624MHZ and was a single core processor. Today I got real excited because I found this app called nueCPL-ClockSpeed v1.3 thinking finally I will be able to this push Duel core Processor higher than a measley 528mhz.Sadly, come to find out the app limit to push the processor was only 528mhz. I posted a screen shot to show. Does anybody that knows the ins and outs of the Qualcomm MSM2700, know if it can be pushed higher than 528MHZ and would be so kind enough to list the apps that can do it.
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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lol, you aren't the first person to express disappointment with qualcomm.
It's not a bad processor, but for our smartphones (which the average XDA member probably requires a lot of CPU power) it is a little weak. I think the average Joe with a stock WinMo phone would be fine with it, but I must admit I am underwhelmed.
I want Snapdragon in my next phone.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
gbajzelj said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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thank you for the link, it's not a bad processor but it's defiantly to weak to run WM, My phone freezes everyday which is freakin ridicouls I've never had this problem with my old phone which had a far less superior processor, then again my old phone ran linux and I'm using the original rom that came with the phone but still thats no excuse for having to reset my phone every day and even running the latest thigs to improve perfomance like advace config etc.....
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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The frequency IS 528MHz. Try the JBenchmark estimator if you don't believe nueClockControl:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/jbacepr.jsp Mine shows 515MHz estimated.
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
Unfortunalety it's not working with X1 (stock german ROM). The phone freezes instantly when i confirm the Clock change to 768 MHz.
I was a little disappointed of the X1, when i tried to run Super Mario or Mario Kart on SNES Emu (not to mention Metal Slug 2 @ FinalBurn, it's even worse). I thought this would be working better with more than 500Mhz and 256mb RAM. I hate to play games without sound.
I wish it would be as good as a PSP at 222 MHz. Ok, PSP has only 480x272, but also it has only 32mb RAM and only 2mb RAM for GPU.
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
dwizzy130 said:
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
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Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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Go for it! Tell him I got $20 in my pocket I'm ready to part with!
If someone could really develop a stable overclocking tool, i would pay for that too.
I'd like to buy a HD2, but without a contract(subscription) it costs over 650€ here in Germany.
Even with subscription it costs 220€ + 35€/Month for 2 years.
I can only dream of 1GHz Snapdragon and 4.3 inch screen
PS: I bought my Xperia for 280€ (with 8GB Micro SD) from Ebay in September.
The previous owner paid 720€ (without subscription) at release ...
PPS: Iphone 3GS 32GB is about 850€ without subscription, thats kind of weird
Damn.. I was rlle excited to see some people as frustrated as me with quads performance and were looking for ways to improve it but the fact nueOverclock just freezes is a letdown also. I hope someone can find the creator or another usefull method!! let the search begin!
Hello to everybody.
I read somewhere that the cpu on hd2 is set slower than the maximum.
Is it true? there's a possibility to benchmark it or not?
If true I suppose it is necessary to use cooked roms (when available) to set it to 1 GHz and so obtain the top performance...
I am asking it because I am a newbie of the forum, of windows mobile and smartphone in general...
Thanks a lot.
don't believe everything that you read.
AFAIK there's no benchmark that supports snapdragon, so how can it possibly say what the processor is, never mind what speed it runs at?
***EDIT*** I speak too soon..
looks like sktools does support snapdragon in it's benchmark in the latest version:
Integer test..
I got 812.05
theres a HTC TOUCH HD2 WM6.5
Qualcomm (R) QSD8258B 1GHZ
as one of the comparison devices..
it scores 813.45
DAMN MY HD2 is slow ****
**** ROFL as if
to be exact, it totally doesn`t matter for me, but>
i read somewhere, that snapdragon is going to be (or it is) used in some subnotebooks or whatever are they calling... and for PDA`s is underclocked from 1,3 GHz to 1024 MHz... don`t know if it is true...
the CPU is not "underclocked"
but the problem is that inbuild graphic accelerator is not working, HTC did not supply drivers for some reason(some say legal issues)
i really dont get it.. why they build something in this mobile phone, when they dont want to use it.. are they $%#@!!**%# or what i just hope, some "masterhacker" will make a driver for this baby and we will have a real "unleashed beast"
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the CPU is not "underclocked"
but the problem is that inbuild graphic accelerator is not working, HTC did not supply drivers for some reason(some say legal issues)
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o-h-m-y-g-o-d... really?so I have the confirm that in HTC are doing a really bad job... I mean:we have the Ferrari but we use GPL instead of gasoline?
Wow another "HTC didn't supply the drivers" BULL**** thread! Can you stop spreading lies please?
Mods should closes this.
Bad drivers
It would not surprise me if the drivers were giving lower performance than possible.
This really did happen with the Touch Cruise which was painfully slow,
until Guys here developed some very good drivers, which made the TC perform at much higher speeds than originally.
Good news is that the same guys, Chainfire & Neo are working on improved drivers for graphics & processor.
Diamantes said:
o-h-m-y-g-o-d... really?so I have the confirm that in HTC are doing a really bad job... I mean:we have the Ferrari but we use GPL instead of gasoline?
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