hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
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hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
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The OMAP processor is dual core so for day to day tasks you will not notice the difference as each processor core takes up the work. On a single processor intesive task, say, watching video, then you will notice the slow down.
Or VOIP or navigation or video or ... or ... - the list is endless where OMAP not only is slower but feels a lot slower too. I tested the new wizard of my boss and my god does my magician fly compared to the wizards speed. What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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I agree. I'm quite puzzled as to why HTC went down this route. :?
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Anyone with some benchmarks yet?
Would be nice to see the difference between:
1.) Intel XScale Bulverde @ 416 MHz found in the Magician
2.) TI OMAP 850 @ 200Mhz found in the Wizard
Also, a comparaison of the battery life would be handy.
Cheers!
I am very interested in the actual performance of the Wizard against ie. the Himalaya.
Of course the cpu is TI and not Intel, but 195/200MHz instead of 400Mhz should make a difference. I can hardly believe the Wizard performs same/better than Himalaya.
Can someone post his/her experience and or bench marks?
I am more than happy to show my benchmark, if someone points to a tol that does test well
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Edit: Just googled & found this on http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_k_jam-reviews-1278.php :
the TI OMAP 850 processor that HTC uses in this phone has an ARM core, not an Xscale like like the Magician's Intel processor did. If you look at speed tests ARMs run at around twice the speed of Xscales, so this phone should be about as good as the JAM processorwise (Don't like how we only get 64mb of ram though). For details on the OMAP check out TI's site
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850
JBenchmark 2 figures: http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/image/htc/tornado/jb2.gif found on http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-tornado-en.shtml
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Looks like the OMAP chipset (=more than an ARM926 CPU) in the Wizard at least acts faster than the XScale found in the Magician
hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
thanx
no way. s100's processor is 412 Mhz, and 9100's processor is officially 195, but actually is 185. so, s100 is twice as fast as 9100 :!:
U have to remember that the 9100 is a dual core processor.
so?
Mhz does not usually mean faster. Take Intel and AMD for example. Even though Intel has higher clock speed, it is not faster than AMD.
Just to drive that point home, at work a client started an unofficial benchmarking of systems, and results include
- an AMD Athlon64 3000+ at 2GHz, single core, single CPU... let's say this machine's speed is '1'
- an Intel Core Duo T2400 at 1.83GHz, dual core, single CPU... it's almost 2.5 times as fast.
That said, the OMAP may be dual core, but it's not 'dual core' like desktop/notebook processors. The two cores each specialize in different parts. You might notice that, for example, it's easier to multitask on these chips - while video playback won't see any performance boost and is likely to be slower.
Depending on your needs, your mileage may vary.
Omap 850 go 195 Mhz because it's downgraded by HTC for safety reason (they reply me like that) Processor is only 200 Mhz but for radio is performed by another chip.... i have both and Wizard isn't speed as Magician.
I find Sony Ericsson P900 at 153mhz to be much faster and responsive than any XDA. Although that's probably more to do with Microsoft's sketchy OS than the processor.
I think the Wizard overclocked to 264mhz is much fater at moving around the OS than a BlueAngel at 400mhz, but like someone said above, it's not so good at video playback.
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
To compare use benchmarks (TCPMP for example)
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
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Hi most people find it more stable at 240Mhz omapclock speed (260Mhz true as measured by sktools) but if it is stable for you - thats cool.
Hey guys this old x-scale vs omap thing has been bashed out numerous times!! Please for our sanity no more!! :wink: Anyhow looks like x-scale is being dropped by intel.
Hi,
I have seen benchmarks on this site, but I dont know in what topic.
In summary, the wizard is almost twice as fast as the magician, and the xda executer is twice as fast as the wizard, I have seen those benchmarks but I dont have the link. Also my wizard proves day after day that it is not slow at all, any game or CPU intensive program runs smoothly just the way you like.
So, dont be misled by the frequency measure, it is unfair to compare two different architectures only with regard to clock speed only, even a small improvement in the cache technology, or the pipeline design could bring massive performance advantages to the system's processor performance.
Regards,
Mohammad
no, the wizard is slower than the magician. i have both so i know. one thing is the processor even though it is dual core (one for pda, one for phone). the other reason is the way the os manages memory, with wm5 using persistent storage rather than having things ready on ram. this is running both without overclock that is.
This is not neccesserly true, maybe wm2003 OS is much lighter than WM5, its like comparing two identical desktop computers one is running windows 95, the other is running windows2000 and claiming that the one that runs windows 95 is faster. From my point of view (as a computer engineer) Benchmarking is the only trustful way to tell.
Another thing is that dual coring the processor has removed the overhead of managing the phone hardware by the main core, and this is definitely an advantage!!!
Another plus for the OMAP processor is that it consumes less power, and we all know that the most important resource for handheld devices is power, afterall, if you want to compare the actual CPU speed you have to run benchmarks on both devices, regardless of how the magician seems to be faster.
So lets search for benchmarks and put what we get here.
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I found the benchmarks, enjoy!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27512&highlight=benchmarks
i have my 9100 from today (used a s100 for one year.)
the 9100 reacts quicker to start,browsing...
only TT loading takes a few seconds longer
Might seem like a stupid question, but does anyone know if it is physically possible to upgrade the Omap CPU with the 400Mhz CPU found in the HTC Tytn?
Does anyone have pictures or technical specs and diagrams of both the Prophet and the HTC Tytn, so this can be investigated or ruled out? Any helpgul feedback will be appreciated.
The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
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The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
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@dnts.
Thanks for clarification. I'll just have to wait to upgrade to the Prophet II.
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Nice one mikewchandler. I'll look into that. :wink:
400 Mhz Omap Processor? Will it fit in the Prophet?...
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The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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OK i gave in. Got myself a Vario II today! :lol:
I must say, that this device is like an enhanced Prophet (hard and software wise). Glad I made the switch. :wink:
Coming from the Rokr E6(that came out in 2006) that has a intel PXA270 Rev7(v51) processor, a part from the built Ati graphic chip in the Qualcomm I am very dissapointed. I know the the processors are different but come on, The E6 was clocked at 312MHZ and could be boosted to 530MHZ and 624MHZ and was a single core processor. Today I got real excited because I found this app called nueCPL-ClockSpeed v1.3 thinking finally I will be able to this push Duel core Processor higher than a measley 528mhz.Sadly, come to find out the app limit to push the processor was only 528mhz. I posted a screen shot to show. Does anybody that knows the ins and outs of the Qualcomm MSM2700, know if it can be pushed higher than 528MHZ and would be so kind enough to list the apps that can do it.
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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lol, you aren't the first person to express disappointment with qualcomm.
It's not a bad processor, but for our smartphones (which the average XDA member probably requires a lot of CPU power) it is a little weak. I think the average Joe with a stock WinMo phone would be fine with it, but I must admit I am underwhelmed.
I want Snapdragon in my next phone.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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thank you for the link, it's not a bad processor but it's defiantly to weak to run WM, My phone freezes everyday which is freakin ridicouls I've never had this problem with my old phone which had a far less superior processor, then again my old phone ran linux and I'm using the original rom that came with the phone but still thats no excuse for having to reset my phone every day and even running the latest thigs to improve perfomance like advace config etc.....
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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The frequency IS 528MHz. Try the JBenchmark estimator if you don't believe nueClockControl:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/jbacepr.jsp Mine shows 515MHz estimated.
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
Unfortunalety it's not working with X1 (stock german ROM). The phone freezes instantly when i confirm the Clock change to 768 MHz.
I was a little disappointed of the X1, when i tried to run Super Mario or Mario Kart on SNES Emu (not to mention Metal Slug 2 @ FinalBurn, it's even worse). I thought this would be working better with more than 500Mhz and 256mb RAM. I hate to play games without sound.
I wish it would be as good as a PSP at 222 MHz. Ok, PSP has only 480x272, but also it has only 32mb RAM and only 2mb RAM for GPU.
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
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Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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Go for it! Tell him I got $20 in my pocket I'm ready to part with!
If someone could really develop a stable overclocking tool, i would pay for that too.
I'd like to buy a HD2, but without a contract(subscription) it costs over 650€ here in Germany.
Even with subscription it costs 220€ + 35€/Month for 2 years.
I can only dream of 1GHz Snapdragon and 4.3 inch screen
PS: I bought my Xperia for 280€ (with 8GB Micro SD) from Ebay in September.
The previous owner paid 720€ (without subscription) at release ...
PPS: Iphone 3GS 32GB is about 850€ without subscription, thats kind of weird
Damn.. I was rlle excited to see some people as frustrated as me with quads performance and were looking for ways to improve it but the fact nueOverclock just freezes is a letdown also. I hope someone can find the creator or another usefull method!! let the search begin!