In Italy we have QTEK 9000 and I-Mate Jasjar.It seems to me that one is equipped with xScale and the other one with Bulverde.Are there some differencies betwen them?One is better then the other?May be they are just the same!!
Its the same Processor. XScale is the Mobile processor Series from Intel and bulverde is the internal releasename.
hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
orfe said:
hello, I've got a magician but I would like to change it for the wizard because of his sliding keybaord and wifi and wm5 and his design but...the processor between those models are different : Intel 416 Mhz for the magician and Oti Omap 200 Mhz for the wizard...Is it an important quality for the app for example? Thanks very much
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The OMAP processor is dual core so for day to day tasks you will not notice the difference as each processor core takes up the work. On a single processor intesive task, say, watching video, then you will notice the slow down.
Or VOIP or navigation or video or ... or ... - the list is endless where OMAP not only is slower but feels a lot slower too. I tested the new wizard of my boss and my god does my magician fly compared to the wizards speed. What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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What good is dual core if the software is not optimized.
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I agree. I'm quite puzzled as to why HTC went down this route. :?
thanx
no way. s100's processor is 412 Mhz, and 9100's processor is officially 195, but actually is 185. so, s100 is twice as fast as 9100 :!:
U have to remember that the 9100 is a dual core processor.
so?
Mhz does not usually mean faster. Take Intel and AMD for example. Even though Intel has higher clock speed, it is not faster than AMD.
Just to drive that point home, at work a client started an unofficial benchmarking of systems, and results include
- an AMD Athlon64 3000+ at 2GHz, single core, single CPU... let's say this machine's speed is '1'
- an Intel Core Duo T2400 at 1.83GHz, dual core, single CPU... it's almost 2.5 times as fast.
That said, the OMAP may be dual core, but it's not 'dual core' like desktop/notebook processors. The two cores each specialize in different parts. You might notice that, for example, it's easier to multitask on these chips - while video playback won't see any performance boost and is likely to be slower.
Depending on your needs, your mileage may vary.
Omap 850 go 195 Mhz because it's downgraded by HTC for safety reason (they reply me like that) Processor is only 200 Mhz but for radio is performed by another chip.... i have both and Wizard isn't speed as Magician.
I find Sony Ericsson P900 at 153mhz to be much faster and responsive than any XDA. Although that's probably more to do with Microsoft's sketchy OS than the processor.
I think the Wizard overclocked to 264mhz is much fater at moving around the OS than a BlueAngel at 400mhz, but like someone said above, it's not so good at video playback.
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
To compare use benchmarks (TCPMP for example)
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
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Hi most people find it more stable at 240Mhz omapclock speed (260Mhz true as measured by sktools) but if it is stable for you - thats cool.
Hey guys this old x-scale vs omap thing has been bashed out numerous times!! Please for our sanity no more!! :wink: Anyhow looks like x-scale is being dropped by intel.
Hi,
I have seen benchmarks on this site, but I dont know in what topic.
In summary, the wizard is almost twice as fast as the magician, and the xda executer is twice as fast as the wizard, I have seen those benchmarks but I dont have the link. Also my wizard proves day after day that it is not slow at all, any game or CPU intensive program runs smoothly just the way you like.
So, dont be misled by the frequency measure, it is unfair to compare two different architectures only with regard to clock speed only, even a small improvement in the cache technology, or the pipeline design could bring massive performance advantages to the system's processor performance.
Regards,
Mohammad
no, the wizard is slower than the magician. i have both so i know. one thing is the processor even though it is dual core (one for pda, one for phone). the other reason is the way the os manages memory, with wm5 using persistent storage rather than having things ready on ram. this is running both without overclock that is.
This is not neccesserly true, maybe wm2003 OS is much lighter than WM5, its like comparing two identical desktop computers one is running windows 95, the other is running windows2000 and claiming that the one that runs windows 95 is faster. From my point of view (as a computer engineer) Benchmarking is the only trustful way to tell.
Another thing is that dual coring the processor has removed the overhead of managing the phone hardware by the main core, and this is definitely an advantage!!!
Another plus for the OMAP processor is that it consumes less power, and we all know that the most important resource for handheld devices is power, afterall, if you want to compare the actual CPU speed you have to run benchmarks on both devices, regardless of how the magician seems to be faster.
So lets search for benchmarks and put what we get here.
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Update:
I found the benchmarks, enjoy!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27512&highlight=benchmarks
i have my 9100 from today (used a s100 for one year.)
the 9100 reacts quicker to start,browsing...
only TT loading takes a few seconds longer
BatteryStatus (1.04.203 beta4) displays CPU speed as 312 MHz. It never changes regardless of the program being used.
Does anyone else see this?
Can anyone explain why it does not display 624 Mhz?
Can't explain it, but mine does the same. TCPMP reports 630mhz though.
this would not surprise me cause i had the p3600 before this phone and i did not see a difference in speed between the phones even through the p3600 had a 400mhz cpu
This is a known bug of BatteryStatus.
Actually this is not a bug, The battery status is made for XDA Neo (prophet) which runs an OMAP Processor so it is not compatible with Intel/Marvell Xscale or the Samsung's CPU's.
I have a p3300 which runs a 200Mhz OMAP and the battery status works great on it.
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Actually this is not a bug, The battery status is made for XDA Neo (prophet) which runs an OMAP Processor so it is not compatible with Intel/Marvell Xscale or the Samsung's CPU's.
I have a p3300 which runs a 200Mhz OMAP and the battery status works great on it.
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My bad. Sorry.... but it would be great if this super plug in could work with Xscale as well.