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Howdy, everyone. I'm a lucky (lucky?) owner of Wizard and I hate it with WM5. I had HP iPAQ2210 once with WM2003 and it was perfect. So, is it possible to mount somehow WM2003 on Wizard? Or maybe some UNIX system, it would be better. Thanx
P.S. Oh yeah, is it okay, that Wizard has 198MHz processor, even though the models earlier (for example XDA2) has 400MHz? I think this is some kind of bull... Oh, sorry.
Question 1: Then why did you buy it ?
Question 2: Have you tried the search? There's a couple of people trying to get 2k3 or 2k3 SE on it
Question 3: Have you tried the search? There's several threads about the CPU of the Wizard being: A. slow, unusable, ****, blabla B. energy-efficient, powerful enough, excellent for performing two tasks; depending on who's writing and what they want to do with their device
OK, I'll not abuse you anymore.
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FYI, the processors are completely different and speed doesn't matter all that much anymore. Hasn't in a while, in fact. You know, the same way AMD chips run better than faster intel chips. And it leads to better battery life. AND did you know, if you really want a phone with linux on it, some carriers sell them. So if it really matters all that much, go get one. You're not going to get very far showing up on this site and just *****ing because you're bored.
Yeah, in fact the HTC Apache (the CDMA version of the Wizard) is a 416 mhz device using the Intel PXA270 processor. Recently, I had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison between a Verizon 6700 and my 5125. I was expecting the thing to be a pocket rocket for sure but imagine my surprise when if found that while generally playing around, menus and programs came up no faster; in fact when I had mine clocked to 260mhz it was noticably faster.
Hi There All!
Get back from a longer break, because my magician is in service.
My friend called me last day and offered a Wizard (T-mobile Vario) to me.
I have read that the Wizard has a slower processor, but it is a dual cored think or what....I heard it is like the processors in the laptop (ex.: centrino has 1.6 GHz but it is 2.x GHz.)
So all guys who have tried it, and magician too, please post the experiments.
I want to use it for/to:
- WiFi
- MP3 Playback
- Some video playback maybe
- Read E-books/ Adobe PDFs
- Play with some games (mainly high quality games such as Arvale, Everquest, Myst etc.)
- Take pictures/videos
So please post your opinions, about Wizard, and tells me which one of this will be slower, on Wizard.
Thanks, and Cheers
OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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So you say OMAP is slower for multimedia (MP3, Video). And for the other ones?
Nope, I didn't. Though the wiki article on the Wizard certainly seems to suggest that.
I'd be interested to know how it fares with the sorts of files I view, and now that TCPMP is at 0.72 (the test were done with 0.50).
Certainly the implication is that it is not so hot for multi-tasking, which is a shame. My Magician seems to carry on almost as normal while I play music of various bitrates and codecs, if the Wizard did not then it would be a big minus.
Also: the Hermes has a 300Mhz Samsung chip, I wonder how it stacks up against these two? That thing certainly is looking like a dream phone right now.
The Omap 850 definately is slower than the XScale in the Magician. This is what many people state and what Benchmarks prove. Also the slow flash memory and WM5 makes a big difference. Don't expect the speed of a Magician with any of the HTC WM5 devices.
The Samsung CPU in the Hermes has about the performance as the XScale of the Magician.
thanx
no way. s100's processor is 412 Mhz, and 9100's processor is officially 195, but actually is 185. so, s100 is twice as fast as 9100 :!:
U have to remember that the 9100 is a dual core processor.
so?
Mhz does not usually mean faster. Take Intel and AMD for example. Even though Intel has higher clock speed, it is not faster than AMD.
Just to drive that point home, at work a client started an unofficial benchmarking of systems, and results include
- an AMD Athlon64 3000+ at 2GHz, single core, single CPU... let's say this machine's speed is '1'
- an Intel Core Duo T2400 at 1.83GHz, dual core, single CPU... it's almost 2.5 times as fast.
That said, the OMAP may be dual core, but it's not 'dual core' like desktop/notebook processors. The two cores each specialize in different parts. You might notice that, for example, it's easier to multitask on these chips - while video playback won't see any performance boost and is likely to be slower.
Depending on your needs, your mileage may vary.
Omap 850 go 195 Mhz because it's downgraded by HTC for safety reason (they reply me like that) Processor is only 200 Mhz but for radio is performed by another chip.... i have both and Wizard isn't speed as Magician.
I find Sony Ericsson P900 at 153mhz to be much faster and responsive than any XDA. Although that's probably more to do with Microsoft's sketchy OS than the processor.
I think the Wizard overclocked to 264mhz is much fater at moving around the OS than a BlueAngel at 400mhz, but like someone said above, it's not so good at video playback.
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in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
To compare use benchmarks (TCPMP for example)
darkheroz said:
in this case, my CPU is set to - 264MHZ are there any problems
to stay on this MHZs /battery, cpu lifetime, errors and accidental
shut downs/ ?
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Hi most people find it more stable at 240Mhz omapclock speed (260Mhz true as measured by sktools) but if it is stable for you - thats cool.
Hey guys this old x-scale vs omap thing has been bashed out numerous times!! Please for our sanity no more!! :wink: Anyhow looks like x-scale is being dropped by intel.
Hi,
I have seen benchmarks on this site, but I dont know in what topic.
In summary, the wizard is almost twice as fast as the magician, and the xda executer is twice as fast as the wizard, I have seen those benchmarks but I dont have the link. Also my wizard proves day after day that it is not slow at all, any game or CPU intensive program runs smoothly just the way you like.
So, dont be misled by the frequency measure, it is unfair to compare two different architectures only with regard to clock speed only, even a small improvement in the cache technology, or the pipeline design could bring massive performance advantages to the system's processor performance.
Regards,
Mohammad
no, the wizard is slower than the magician. i have both so i know. one thing is the processor even though it is dual core (one for pda, one for phone). the other reason is the way the os manages memory, with wm5 using persistent storage rather than having things ready on ram. this is running both without overclock that is.
This is not neccesserly true, maybe wm2003 OS is much lighter than WM5, its like comparing two identical desktop computers one is running windows 95, the other is running windows2000 and claiming that the one that runs windows 95 is faster. From my point of view (as a computer engineer) Benchmarking is the only trustful way to tell.
Another thing is that dual coring the processor has removed the overhead of managing the phone hardware by the main core, and this is definitely an advantage!!!
Another plus for the OMAP processor is that it consumes less power, and we all know that the most important resource for handheld devices is power, afterall, if you want to compare the actual CPU speed you have to run benchmarks on both devices, regardless of how the magician seems to be faster.
So lets search for benchmarks and put what we get here.
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Update:
I found the benchmarks, enjoy!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=27512&highlight=benchmarks
i have my 9100 from today (used a s100 for one year.)
the 9100 reacts quicker to start,browsing...
only TT loading takes a few seconds longer
Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
Love this site BTW
It is 240 x 320, QVGA.
Only 1 advantage point over 8125: 3G ability. Otherwise, there are mess: IR at the bottom(?!), USB charge/audio out combination.
HI
I add to Nghiem message, Hermes processor is 400 MHz and 2.0 MP camera and 8125 is 195 MHz processor and 1.3 MP camera. The speed difference is very important, I was a MDA user
You forgot to mention the camera's macro mode and also not to mention the ATi/AMD imageon chip...but does the chip actually get used properly?
daddy_yankee1980 the Cingular 8525 is a Hermes just relabelled and modified by Cingular (no front facing camera etc) but it is in the Hermes family.
there's another thread in xda about the 8525 having the housing and ribbon connection for the front camera, wish they had kept it. wth were they thinking. along with everything else, the 8525 also has ptt ability, and it's looks way BETTER.
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
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Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
Here's a side-by-side comparison (pdadb.net) of Cingular 8125 and 8525.
johnburn said:
Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
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Damn, microSD. i heard about that form factor a while back. Is that what the Hermes uses. That means I gotta invest in another memory card. That kind of sucks in a way. Kinda of hesitating a little bit more. Do you know if there are any new devices that are going to be release that are , I guess revolutionary. I just dont like upgrading every year if I dont have to
If you don't mind waiting a bit and spending the money on a new product you can always wait for the HTC Kaiser http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
Love this site BTW
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Coming from the Rokr E6(that came out in 2006) that has a intel PXA270 Rev7(v51) processor, a part from the built Ati graphic chip in the Qualcomm I am very dissapointed. I know the the processors are different but come on, The E6 was clocked at 312MHZ and could be boosted to 530MHZ and 624MHZ and was a single core processor. Today I got real excited because I found this app called nueCPL-ClockSpeed v1.3 thinking finally I will be able to this push Duel core Processor higher than a measley 528mhz.Sadly, come to find out the app limit to push the processor was only 528mhz. I posted a screen shot to show. Does anybody that knows the ins and outs of the Qualcomm MSM2700, know if it can be pushed higher than 528MHZ and would be so kind enough to list the apps that can do it.
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
Viper89 said:
After searching this forum for some type of answer, I came to the conclusion that I'm never buying a phone with a qualcomm processor again.
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lol, you aren't the first person to express disappointment with qualcomm.
It's not a bad processor, but for our smartphones (which the average XDA member probably requires a lot of CPU power) it is a little weak. I think the average Joe with a stock WinMo phone would be fine with it, but I must admit I am underwhelmed.
I want Snapdragon in my next phone.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
gbajzelj said:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a&c=qualcomm_msm7200a
on this site you have mostly all smartphones and their processors. and its said that 528Mhz is the Max recomendable speed so i gues its not possible to set it to more then 528MHz. but if you look at devices with these processor X1 was one of the first that used this processor. and even this year there were good phones that used this 2 year old processor technology (HTC Touch Pro 2, HTC HERO). Shure its no 1 or 1.5 GHz Snapdragon but i think its a fine processor. N97 has weaker processor and alot of folks think N97 is better than X1 (I still dont agree with them).
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thank you for the link, it's not a bad processor but it's defiantly to weak to run WM, My phone freezes everyday which is freakin ridicouls I've never had this problem with my old phone which had a far less superior processor, then again my old phone ran linux and I'm using the original rom that came with the phone but still thats no excuse for having to reset my phone every day and even running the latest thigs to improve perfomance like advace config etc.....
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
locomarco said:
Hi guys, i think most of you have heard the rumor about the X1 CPU is underclocked to 400MHz.
Is it true or not? I found something about the battery status app showing only 400MHz, but someone said that 400MHz is the max frequency battery status can show. Then i found something with the Xperia X2 info tool (dont know the name) showing 400MHz, too.
I downloaded nueClockControl, it shows 528MHz.
loco
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The frequency IS 528MHz. Try the JBenchmark estimator if you don't believe nueClockControl:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/jbacepr.jsp Mine shows 515MHz estimated.
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
Unfortunalety it's not working with X1 (stock german ROM). The phone freezes instantly when i confirm the Clock change to 768 MHz.
I was a little disappointed of the X1, when i tried to run Super Mario or Mario Kart on SNES Emu (not to mention Metal Slug 2 @ FinalBurn, it's even worse). I thought this would be working better with more than 500Mhz and 256mb RAM. I hate to play games without sound.
I wish it would be as good as a PSP at 222 MHz. Ok, PSP has only 480x272, but also it has only 32mb RAM and only 2mb RAM for GPU.
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
dwizzy130 said:
Some MSM chips can be overclocked. I have had my TP run at 800Mhz before.
Check THIS out.
Pretty sure it won't work with the X1 but who knows.
dwizzy130
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ring-bearer said:
Vipe'
I feel your pain. Add me to those who are disappointed with the Qualcomm 7200 and will not buy another WinMo phone without a 1 GHz processor. Otherwise, here are some confirmations and other observations:
- The current X1 processor DOES run at 528 MHz as others have mentioned above
- It CAN be overclocked to 768 (or so) with neuOverclock and it's like a sweet dream, but...
- neuOverclock is highly unstable. Most of the time it simply freezes the phone, requiring a reset. For some reason I could only usually get it to work about once a day, no matter how many variations I tried (eg in airplane mode etc etc).
- Unfortunately the genius (seriously) who developed nueOverclock has gone completely silent on his web site and is not still developing - huge bummer in my opinion. I would make a big donation to anyone who could provide a solid overclocking program, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
Viper89 said:
thank you two for the info, I defiantly going to try nueOverclock out.I was actually looking for something in the 600-650mhz but 800mhz is impressive. Edit: well like expected it hung the phone instantly, O well maybe I can get ahold of the developer and incourge him to continue this project
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Go for it! Tell him I got $20 in my pocket I'm ready to part with!
If someone could really develop a stable overclocking tool, i would pay for that too.
I'd like to buy a HD2, but without a contract(subscription) it costs over 650€ here in Germany.
Even with subscription it costs 220€ + 35€/Month for 2 years.
I can only dream of 1GHz Snapdragon and 4.3 inch screen
PS: I bought my Xperia for 280€ (with 8GB Micro SD) from Ebay in September.
The previous owner paid 720€ (without subscription) at release ...
PPS: Iphone 3GS 32GB is about 850€ without subscription, thats kind of weird
Damn.. I was rlle excited to see some people as frustrated as me with quads performance and were looking for ways to improve it but the fact nueOverclock just freezes is a letdown also. I hope someone can find the creator or another usefull method!! let the search begin!