Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
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It is 240 x 320, QVGA.
Only 1 advantage point over 8125: 3G ability. Otherwise, there are mess: IR at the bottom(?!), USB charge/audio out combination.
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I add to Nghiem message, Hermes processor is 400 MHz and 2.0 MP camera and 8125 is 195 MHz processor and 1.3 MP camera. The speed difference is very important, I was a MDA user
You forgot to mention the camera's macro mode and also not to mention the ATi/AMD imageon chip...but does the chip actually get used properly?
daddy_yankee1980 the Cingular 8525 is a Hermes just relabelled and modified by Cingular (no front facing camera etc) but it is in the Hermes family.
there's another thread in xda about the 8525 having the housing and ribbon connection for the front camera, wish they had kept it. wth were they thinking. along with everything else, the 8525 also has ptt ability, and it's looks way BETTER.
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
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Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
Here's a side-by-side comparison (pdadb.net) of Cingular 8125 and 8525.
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Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
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Damn, microSD. i heard about that form factor a while back. Is that what the Hermes uses. That means I gotta invest in another memory card. That kind of sucks in a way. Kinda of hesitating a little bit more. Do you know if there are any new devices that are going to be release that are , I guess revolutionary. I just dont like upgrading every year if I dont have to
If you don't mind waiting a bit and spending the money on a new product you can always wait for the HTC Kaiser http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
Love this site BTW
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9100 is great, little big to carry around, but nice with w-lan and everything else. WM2005, didn´t like it in the beginning but now after 1 week I like it.. as all the other windows-based things u can do whatever u want
But now it´s confirmed, S200 is coming to sweden in the beginning of 2006. The size is like s100, s110 unbeatable......
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...obile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet.shtml
The problem with S200 is that it uses the same SLOW processor like K-JAM and it only drops the keyboard, adds WiFi 801.1g and a decent 2 MPixel camera. BUT IT IS SLOW! I will go for ETEN M600 with the 400MHz samsung processor instead of the awful 200MHz TI OMAP that S200 will have!
unless i am mistaken, there is no flash on the s200?
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
Mogwai said:
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
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I'll be waiting for the next incarnation of the jam with a faster processor and 3g for Skype. Alternatively the O2 Atom is going to be released in Dec. with 400mhz processor, WiFi, edge, 2 mp camera, front firing stereo speakers and it is smaller than the jam. I think if I didn't already have the Jam I'd be getting the Atom...maybe I will get it anyway
hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
Howdy, everyone. I'm a lucky (lucky?) owner of Wizard and I hate it with WM5. I had HP iPAQ2210 once with WM2003 and it was perfect. So, is it possible to mount somehow WM2003 on Wizard? Or maybe some UNIX system, it would be better. Thanx
P.S. Oh yeah, is it okay, that Wizard has 198MHz processor, even though the models earlier (for example XDA2) has 400MHz? I think this is some kind of bull... Oh, sorry.
Question 1: Then why did you buy it ?
Question 2: Have you tried the search? There's a couple of people trying to get 2k3 or 2k3 SE on it
Question 3: Have you tried the search? There's several threads about the CPU of the Wizard being: A. slow, unusable, ****, blabla B. energy-efficient, powerful enough, excellent for performing two tasks; depending on who's writing and what they want to do with their device
OK, I'll not abuse you anymore.
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FYI, the processors are completely different and speed doesn't matter all that much anymore. Hasn't in a while, in fact. You know, the same way AMD chips run better than faster intel chips. And it leads to better battery life. AND did you know, if you really want a phone with linux on it, some carriers sell them. So if it really matters all that much, go get one. You're not going to get very far showing up on this site and just *****ing because you're bored.
Yeah, in fact the HTC Apache (the CDMA version of the Wizard) is a 416 mhz device using the Intel PXA270 processor. Recently, I had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison between a Verizon 6700 and my 5125. I was expecting the thing to be a pocket rocket for sure but imagine my surprise when if found that while generally playing around, menus and programs came up no faster; in fact when I had mine clocked to 260mhz it was noticably faster.
Hi There All!
Get back from a longer break, because my magician is in service.
My friend called me last day and offered a Wizard (T-mobile Vario) to me.
I have read that the Wizard has a slower processor, but it is a dual cored think or what....I heard it is like the processors in the laptop (ex.: centrino has 1.6 GHz but it is 2.x GHz.)
So all guys who have tried it, and magician too, please post the experiments.
I want to use it for/to:
- WiFi
- MP3 Playback
- Some video playback maybe
- Read E-books/ Adobe PDFs
- Play with some games (mainly high quality games such as Arvale, Everquest, Myst etc.)
- Take pictures/videos
So please post your opinions, about Wizard, and tells me which one of this will be slower, on Wizard.
Thanks, and Cheers
OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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OK, so it's not dual core, hell no.
Well, OK, it is. But one core is for the radio stuff, and is not used in application processing.
It is a different /type/ of processor though, so it's not really fair to compare it to the X-scale in the magician (I think it's from Texas Instruments?). I hear it is a mite slower though, so I don't know.
Also: it has Windows Mobile 5, so you can get your A2DP on from any app, not just WMP.
Me, I'd go for it in a shot. Hell, if Orange UK did one I'd have one already, those odd kids.
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So you say OMAP is slower for multimedia (MP3, Video). And for the other ones?
Nope, I didn't. Though the wiki article on the Wizard certainly seems to suggest that.
I'd be interested to know how it fares with the sorts of files I view, and now that TCPMP is at 0.72 (the test were done with 0.50).
Certainly the implication is that it is not so hot for multi-tasking, which is a shame. My Magician seems to carry on almost as normal while I play music of various bitrates and codecs, if the Wizard did not then it would be a big minus.
Also: the Hermes has a 300Mhz Samsung chip, I wonder how it stacks up against these two? That thing certainly is looking like a dream phone right now.
The Omap 850 definately is slower than the XScale in the Magician. This is what many people state and what Benchmarks prove. Also the slow flash memory and WM5 makes a big difference. Don't expect the speed of a Magician with any of the HTC WM5 devices.
The Samsung CPU in the Hermes has about the performance as the XScale of the Magician.
Might seem like a stupid question, but does anyone know if it is physically possible to upgrade the Omap CPU with the 400Mhz CPU found in the HTC Tytn?
Does anyone have pictures or technical specs and diagrams of both the Prophet and the HTC Tytn, so this can be investigated or ruled out? Any helpgul feedback will be appreciated.
The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
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The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
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@dnts.
Thanks for clarification. I'll just have to wait to upgrade to the Prophet II.
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Nice one mikewchandler. I'll look into that. :wink:
400 Mhz Omap Processor? Will it fit in the Prophet?...
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The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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mikewchandler said:
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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OK i gave in. Got myself a Vario II today! :lol:
I must say, that this device is like an enhanced Prophet (hard and software wise). Glad I made the switch. :wink: