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Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?
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Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!
But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.
it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.
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.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!
I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
mv3 said:
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.
T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.
Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...
The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?
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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........
I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.
Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service
A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone
I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?
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I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?
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I DONT THINK SO BUT ILL SEARCH AROUND I THINK ITS STILL A 2/2.5G PHONE
no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g
thnx a lot guys i just found out also that it does not...
do you know of n e htc devices that will support it?
tilt/kaiser supports it but i heard that there is a video driver conflict though even so its a good phone
I only supports up to EDGE.
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no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g
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eature Summary (T-Mobile Wing™)
Bluetooth®: 2.0*
Auto pairing
Browser:
WAP 2.0
WAP 1.x
HTTP 1.1
SSL 3.0
EDGE: Class B
GPRS: Class R99
Synchronization: ActiveSync
USB Support
USB mass storage: not enabled by default
Wi-Fi
Messaging
RIGHT OFF TMO SITE
(IGNORE THE CAPS).
Can't wait ... I will most likely get the Kaiser. My buddy just bought one and I unlocked it for him. Sweet phone. Much much smoother
the tilt or any phone that doesnt have 1700mhz 3g wont work on t mobile. just so you know the mhz spectrum t mo is using for their 3g is exclusive to them, they paid alot of money for that privilege. so if youre getting a 3g phone to use with the upcoming tmo 3g you better make sure its compatible other wise youll be stuck on edge.
so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g
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so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g
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Nope, it's like asking if there's anything that can be done so that you can fly your car. Technically, with enough money, knowledge and skills YEA, lots of stuff... but realistically, no. Unfortunately, it's a hardware that's just not there.
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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Yes.... you need a different radio to pick up the 3G sig
taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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An unlock Herald is like a car that has been converted to run on E85. Just because it can run regular petrol/gas or E85 doesn't mean it can fly. (Sorry, I'm in a metaphorical mood...)
But it just won't work.
at the moment there arent alot of phones that can run on tmo's 3g, and as far as i know theres no smart phone or ppc (official ones) that are capable using tmos 3g. but dont worry im sure theyre gonna surprise us with something. i personally am gonna try to wait until the android platform comes out before i jump on another $300+ phone.
HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?
neoobs said:
HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?
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hmm... that'd be interesting... the Tmobile Diamond...
Thats A Phone Im Willing To Get
I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL
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I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL
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lol yea but i think the 1700 band was just released from the fcc
tmobile has it working in ny but not in a few places also that the 3g network isnt supposed to fully functional untill 2009 so we still have some time to go, so that means when the 3g phones come out ill get the full rebate for it
yay
but how did thiis thread become so out of topic
lol
Can anyone explain me about this activation needed in G1?
There are unlocked versions of G1 in ebay, what does that mean? You can only use the voice, no data?
Will there be an official no-activation-needed version or it will be tmobile's forever?
Thanks!
Unlocked only means it's SIM unlocked, meaning you can use the phone to make calls on other networks like AT&T.
The G1's 3G is NOT compatible with AT&T's 3G though.
The "activation" is simple entering a gmail account for the phone for it to be able to use and go to the home screen.
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Unlocked only means it's SIM unlocked, meaning you can use the phone to make calls on other networks like AT&T.
The G1's 3G is NOT compatible with AT&T's 3G though.
The "activation" is simple entering a gmail account for the phone for it to be able to use and go to the home screen.
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Can I activate my unlocked g1 without tmo sim card?
so "activation" is basically linking the phone to a google account, so you can sync email, calendar, data, etc?
Its lame use G1 without activating?
if the cellphone is unlocked you can use 3G without activating? Its 2100mhz, right?
who told you the g1 wont work on at&t's 3g? they lied. dont spread bad info. The g1 works fine on at&t's 3g.
The G1 uses 1700/2100, AT&T's is only 2100, not compatible.
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who told you the g1 wont work on at&t's 3g? they lied. dont spread bad info. The g1 works fine on at&t's 3g.
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First off where are you located? Where is the phone located?
In the USA you can not use it on at&t 3g network. If the phone is in europe or Asia, you will be able to use 3g with a at&t sim in it.
It all depends where the phone is at the time of usage.
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The G1 uses 1700/2100, AT&T's is only 2100, not compatible.
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T-Mobile 3G uses 1700 and 2100. AT&T 3G uses 850 and 1900.
driz said:
who told you the g1 wont work on at&t's 3g? they lied. dont spread bad info. The g1 works fine on at&t's 3g.
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Its not a lie, it is fact AT&T's 3g works on a different frequency than T-Mobiles here in the states.
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Its not a lie, it is fact AT&T's 3g works on a different frequency than T-Mobiles here in the states.
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sigh. The phone is capable of hitting the ATT frequencies. Yes, ATT uses a different set than TMo, but no big deal.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
Check your facts before starting "he said/she said/etc." Bickering on the forum serves no useful purpose.
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sigh. The phone is capable of hitting the ATT frequencies. Yes, ATT uses a different set than TMo, but no big deal.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
Check your facts before starting "he said/she said/etc." Bickering on the forum serves no useful purpose.
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On the paper yes it is, I agree with you, g1 hardware capable of doing it. But does anybody here ever try it at this current time? you know sometimes on the paper is not exactly the same when you actually try by urself, it could renders att card cant be use because of app issue and so on
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On the paper yes it is, I agree with you, g1 hardware capable of doing it. But does anybody here ever try it at this current time? you know sometimes on the paper is not exactly the same when you actually try by urself, it could renders att card cant be use because of app issue and so on
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It is reported working... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439867 granted, I personally have not done it, but I supposed I could.
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demontefixo said:
sigh. The phone is capable of hitting the ATT frequencies. Yes, ATT uses a different set than TMo, but no big deal.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
Check your facts before starting "he said/she said/etc." Bickering on the forum serves no useful purpose.
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Good job you have proven that the G1 will work on AT&T out of country. The facts are checked, i have verified this with this and other forums as well as reputable T-Mo employees. The fact is other countries use a variety of frequencies and the G1 will most likely work on a lot of them.
Anyone have any ideas if the 3G will be worth it, there are some discouraging posts over at the notion ink blog, in the comments section, about the bandwidth limitations on the 3G models and them being selected for you, instead of allowing us to pick our own.
(I am one of the ones that did not get a pre-order in on time)
It would be considered a new contract on AT&T so you would not have unlimited data. Also in the US it is only for AT&T
Why thank you for that, being a sprint person, and an Android lover, AT&T is certainly not something I want to deal with, at least that helps me with my decision, I'll just have to use a USB Sprint 4G adapter... :
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Why thank you for that, being a sprint person, and an Android lover, AT&T is certainly not something I want to deal with, at least that helps me with my decision, I'll just have to use a USB Sprint 4G adapter... :
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If you have an android phone I would recommend root it and install wifi tether. Rooting is a very simple process for the EVO at unrevoked.com and I am not sure if it will have support for a usb adapter. You might get the MiFi that is coming to Sprint soon.
Interesting topic. Since I am also on Sprint, its probably better off just getting the Wifi version and wifi tether to the EVO or pdanet. Now when Traveling overseas where Sprint doesn't work (except Jamaica and Taiwan) I guess the wifi will have to just do.
TS
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If you have an android phone I would recommend root it and install wifi tether. Rooting is a very simple process for the EVO at unrevoked.com and I am not sure if it will have support for a usb adapter. You might get the MiFi that is coming to Sprint soon.
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twospirits said:
Interesting topic. Since I am also on Sprint, its probably better off just getting the Wifi version and wifi tether to the EVO or pdanet. Now when Traveling overseas where Sprint doesn't work (except Jamaica and Taiwan) I guess the wifi will have to just do.
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Can you tether an Android device to an Android device? I have purchased EasyTether, I use it for work when I have to drive between states, but did not know they made an Android app to tether to, I thought it only worked on PC's. I'll have to go to their website and look into it.
On Android if you root it you can install a WiFi Tether application that allows you to turn your phone into a hot spot without having to pay Sprint.
http://lifehacker.com/5447347/how-to-tether-your-android-phone
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On Android if you root it you can install a WiFi Tether application that allows you to turn your phone into a hot spot without having to pay Sprint.
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oh ok, yeah I forgot you can make it a hotspot... since I don't need that function right now...
good call. Yeah, I'll stick with the wifi model.
You are correct, I keep forgetting that pdanet only has the PC drivers.
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Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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If you are on T-Mobile you can specify the overseas version by emailing them and it is capable to connect to T-Mobile.
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Or if you don't want to root and get good T-Mobile service, the Nexus One/S can be a Wifi hotspot out of the box.
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I thought WifI Hotspot tethering was a standard feature in Froyo...
I have it on my Desire (yes it's rooted, but I think the hotspot functionality was part of the original ROM).
litening said:
I thought WifI Hotspot tethering was a standard feature in Froyo...
I have it on my Desire (yes it's rooted, but I think the hotspot functionality was part of the original ROM).
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It is a standard feature but the service providers locked it down so you would have to pay them to use it. The nexus one and s are the only ones that have it enabled.
You can pick your carrier with the adam
Rohan's interview on Android Police states:
AP: Regarding the 3G model, how many frequency sets are being offered? In the US, AT&T and T-Mobile run on different 3G bands, necessitating at least two US 3G models.
Rohan: Initially we offered only one 3G module which was suited for AT&T, but then when customers requested we changed their models. From next pre-order everyone will be given an option of deciding their own 3G module for a specific frequency.
So, if you have already pre-ordered but want a different carrier...email them and provide your order info with your carrier preference. If you pre-order now you will have an option to indicate your choice
Data limitations will be determined by cell carrier not this device. And yes, every company but Sprint has a limit on data right now. Come to think of it, Sprint might have a limit for their USB hotspot and for the devices that have an EVDO radio in them, not sure on that.
Regardless as others stated, if this bothers you just wifi tether. But I have a Chrome Netbook with a verizon connection in it and I love it. Not having to deal with wifi tether all the time is nice.
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Data limitations will be determined by cell carrier not this device. And yes, every company but Sprint has a limit on data right now. Come to think of it, Sprint might have a limit for their USB hotspot and for the devices that have an EVDO radio in them, not sure on that.
Regardless as others stated, if this bothers you just wifi tether. But I have a Chrome Netbook with a verizon connection in it and I love it. Not having to deal with wifi tether all the time is nice.
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i'm jealous, i have been hoping everyday a cr-48 would be waiting for me when i get home.
Crimton said:
i'm jealous, i have been hoping everyday a cr-48 would be waiting for me when i get home.
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Don't worry he only has a 100Mb of data.
smedley.jason said:
Don't worry he only has a 100Mb of data.
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but it was free! free things are my favorite
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but it was free! free things are my favorite
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I know i'm jealous as well.
I just ordered my Adam and the only model left was the Pixel Qi 3G version. If I had a choice, I would have gone wifi only because I don't have AT&T as a carrier (I have Verizon). Was it just me that found a lack of info on the website about the 3G carrier requirements? It wouldn't have changed my order (because I ordered to late), but it seemed a little vague. I'm still stoked to get the adam though.
Cheers!
So anybody heard about the new evo update allowing them to talk and be on the internet at the same time?
Haven't heard anything about that, have been able to do that if using 4G or WiFi.
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It is a limitation with CDMA technology. You can talk and be on 4G or WIFI but not 3G.
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It is a limitation with CDMA technology. You can talk and be on 4G or WIFI but not 3G.
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Yup , Verizon made it possible on thunderbolt cause it got 2 antennas or something like that
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Yup , Verizon made it possible on thunderbolt cause it got 2 antennas or something like that
+1 i hope sprint comes out with this kinda phone
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You could probably do that with groove ip and ur Google number, u would just chew up data opposed u minutes, I have only used this over WiFi, but it should work over 3g also
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bring it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read a discussion about this once before. Basically they said that due to limitations in cdma tech, it most likely won't happen unless the phone has separate transceiver chips.
That's what they said, not what I'm saying, lol
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I read a discussion about this once before. Basically they said that due to limitations in cdma tech, it most likely won't happen unless the phone has separate transceiver chips.
That's what they said, not what I'm saying, lol
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I am moderately surprised this hasn't happened yet. Given that we have a wifi chip, an FM receiver, bluetooth, 3G, 4G...some phones have had FM transceivers as well, NFC, etc....
I am not surprised, however, because bandwidth is very limited...we're not talking back-haul, we're talking actual radio wave space....I'm dying to know what breakthrough will come along to alleviate that.
If anyone wonders why your mobile internet sucks it's oversaturation....not of the back-haul line that connects the cells to the backbone but of the very air itself as allocated. There's only so much physical space in them airs. Too may people, not enough frequencies, bands are too narrow, too many things need their own band.
It isn't a limitation. I used to do this on my Treo 755. Sprint set it up so we can't do this. There are two types of internet packages we can get for our phones and they basically ended the other one. lol.however, not many people knew that. I am getting 2M down and 768up on 3g where I'm at. when my 4g coming? hahaha
But they did it so they could limit what we do.
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It isn't a limitation. I used to do this on my Treo 755.
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HAHA no you didn't. It's a limitation with cdma, you CANNOT use 3g and phone at the same time.
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It isn't a limitation. I used to do this on my Treo 755. Sprint set it up so we can't do this. There are two types of internet packages we can get for our phones and they basically ended the other one. lol.however, not many people knew that. I am getting 2M down and 768up on 3g where I'm at. when my 4g coming? hahaha
But they did it so they could limit what we do.
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I think this is the same guy that came on and said the same thing on the last post that got out of hand.
This is real simple:
CDMA Technology has a limitation that doesn't allow talking and data on the same radio. End of story. No, there isn't a way around it.
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I think this is the same guy that came on and said the same thing on the last post that got out of hand.
This is real simple:
CDMA Technology has a limitation that doesn't allow talking and data on the same radio. End of story. No, there isn't a way around it.
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Exactly why WiMaxx 4G was established, to enable that capability.
GSM is only able to achieve this because they have HSPA for the data side if i'm not mistaken.
Sprints already in the works on switching to LTE 4G, I wonder if they can just make it a hybrid WiMaxx/LTE network and have a radio capable of using either...
So when Sprint switches to LTE, will the current 4G phones work still?
There is a newer version of the CDMA spec that allows it, but Sprint hasn't deployed it. It's unclear if they will, and it's unclear whether existing phones could be upgraded to use it if they did.
For now, it's just like it always has been on all CDMA devices...no 3G data while you're on voice.
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There is a newer version of the CDMA spec that allows it, but Sprint hasn't deployed it. It's unclear if they will, and it's unclear whether existing phones could be upgraded to use it if they did.
For now, it's just like it always has been on all CDMA devices...no 3G data while you're on voice.
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Yeah I heard about this on Verizon side
And about 4G working after LTE deploy most likely unless they upgrade you for a free LTE device or a lawsuit lol
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It isn't a limitation. I used to do this on my Treo 755. Sprint set it up so we can't do this. There are two types of internet packages we can get for our phones and they basically ended the other one. lol.however, not many people knew that. I am getting 2M down and 768up on 3g where I'm at. when my 4g coming? hahaha
But they did it so they could limit what we do.
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No, it is a huge limitation with cdma. Sprint isn't the only one with this limitation.
The tbolt is the only Verizon phone to offer it. It has svdo (?.) Technology. We wont be able to do it with an update.