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In my humble opinion, there is a major design "fault" with the aluminum casing used and it's pretty severe one at that. For me, this makes me think about taking the phone back and getting a refund (yes I can, even after I've used ut).This is the sort of thing Apple would never allow. Now I'm NO Apple fanboy, rather a HTC/Android Phanboy, so hold those horses......
But, ever notice the sharp edge surrounding the top of the HTC? It's quite annoying and prob would get slightly painful in longer conversations.
Now, all they would have to do, was to try the phone and they would notice. It would only take slightly more beveling of the edge. Try holding the phone the wrong way, spreaker to your ear. THAT'S the way an edge should feel against your ear. It's like there's nothing there!
the edge is noticeable and yes it is a annoying but its easy to cope with just dont press it hard against your ear and your fine. What i hate more is the low calling volume in noisy environments its impossible to phone anyone and then the edge does hurt when you try to press the speaker against your ear
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the edge is noticeable and yes it is a annoying but its easy to cope with just dont press it hard against your ear and your fine. What i hate more is the low calling volume in noisy environments its impossible to phone anyone and then the edge does hurt when you try to press the speaker against your ear
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Thing is, it shouldn't be like this. It would have been easy to notice this pre-production and it would have been easy to fix. Small things like this ruin a GREAT phone......that and those damn lost wifi signals!
No one mentioned it for a month, so it can't be that bad. Maybe your ear is not compatible with the phone
Perhaps it depends on how you hold your phone to your ear.
The edge doesn't bother me at all.
I totally agree.. its defenetly a sharp edge against the ear.. the phone must be angled differend than my ond magic to be comfortable to "use as a phone" :/
after reading this post i check my legend but this "problem" is non existing. Even when i rubb my finger on the edge there is little to no "sharpness". For me its move along people nothing to see.
Jarune said:
after reading this post i check my legend but this "problem" is non existing. Even when i rubb my finger on the edge there is little to no "sharpness". For me its move along people nothing to see.
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Hmmm, I just had a 1hr long phone call and the Legend is noticable uncomfortable to use. The "edge" I'm talking about rests on my ear and it's not painfull, it's just "there" and very annoying. You will naturally move your phone around when you talk and this edge I'm talking about and this makes it even worse.
I pulled out my old Hero and this has a rounded edge (as does the iPhone and EVERY other phone out there) and you can't even notice it when you hold it up to your ear. I'm a nitpicker and I always find small flaws in things I like very much. But I'm considering this is supposed to be a GREAT phone, it should have benn rounded off.
Edge: The edge I'm talking about is the result of a 90 degree angle on the metal where the aluminum has been cnc'd. Once again, hold your phone the other way round and it is MUCH more comfortable to hold against your head, but MUCH worse to use as a phone...
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In my humble opinion, there is a major design "fault" with the aluminum casing used and it's pretty severe one at that. For me, this makes me think about taking the phone back and getting a refund (yes I can, even after I've used ut).This is the sort of thing Apple would never allow. Now I'm NO Apple fanboy, rather a HTC/Android Phanboy, so hold those horses......
But, ever notice the sharp edge surrounding the top of the HTC? It's quite annoying and prob would get slightly painful in longer conversations.
Now, all they would have to do, was to try the phone and they would notice. It would only take slightly more beveling of the edge. Try holding the phone the wrong way, spreaker to your ear. THAT'S the way an edge should feel against your ear. It's like there's nothing there!
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I don't find this an issue at all
the iphone button used to really hurt my chin though
its more healthy for there to be an air gap between the phone and your face in any event
I would also strongly suggest the 1 hour calls you use a bluetooth headset. Its bound to be unhealthy otherwise
My tip to avoid this : stick the screen to your ear instead of the edge.
You can hear as well, but the contact is much smoother with the flat surface.
faulty design
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But, ever notice the sharp edge surrounding the top of the HTC? It's quite annoying and prob would get slightly painful in longer conversations.
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Try the handsfree-set that came along.
I't s better for your brains too! ;-)
I just snagged 2 apps that if they actually work would be really cool. Both use speaker frequencies we can hear and not hear. Anti-Bug emits sounds to repel atleast mosquitos etc. and dog whistle emits sounds dogs respond to. Both have varying frequencies, most of which I can actually hear in the worst way with dog whistle. Im gonna try'n test these as best I can, Id love some help if you guys have dogs (or live amongst the worst mosquitos ever)
forgot to mention, for the dog whistle app the touch orientation is off, tap just above the whistle to activate. At 8000khz you should clearly hear the tone.
I have the dog whiste one, my sister was askin me about dog whistles because she has a puppy. So I searched one of the freeware sites, found it, and tried it out on the puppy. The upper frequencies beyond human hearing definitely work, the dog definitely noticed it. Just wish it was louder, could use it to call the dog in from outside. Never seen the mosquito one before, but I'm gonna try it out this summer, could be a very handy app if it works. Imagine being able to be outside while everybody is getting ate up and the mosquitos wont even come near you.
I've read that producing high frequency sounds to repel insects doesn't work. Can anyone here tell me otherwise ?
The dog whistle works definately. Tested My 2 dogs, my gfs dog, and my friends cat. All respond to different frequencies.
couldnt test the anti bug, little too cold last nite, today seems like its gonna be buggy, will test
My neighbor has a dog that leaves my back porch full of fleas, so I'm going to mess with the antibug tonight if they are out and report back.
I wonder how the dogs are supposed to react at the sound, do you scare them away or will they follow me?
Good to know before I try it on someones dog...
Oh boy! I'm eager to try this in the field. I conduct field trips as a volunteer naturalist in a local wildlife refuge. (The Great Salt Lake Nature Center at West Farmington Bay Waterfowl Management Area in Utah). I conduct bird watching tours and nature walks with mostly 4th graders. On these walks we encounter all manner of birds, but I give lessons on the importance the macroinvertibrates that live in the water.
As it happens, Midges and Mosquitos react to specific frequencies. I can't wait to try the antibug app while we're out being pestered by these bugs! Who knows, perhaps these kids'll will learn something and I'll be glad I could use my WinMo device for yet another field experiment. I'll report back with my findings.
We have some invasive fox in the area as well. Hopefully I'll get a reaction with the wistle too. Yay
Thanks!
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I've read that producing high frequency sounds to repel insects doesn't work. Can anyone here tell me otherwise ?
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Apparently not
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/403/do-ultrasonic-bug-repellers-work
My dad has an annoying device in his attic that apparently does drive away squirrels.
I had a high-pitch squealing drive me away, once, but then it went away after the divorce....
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I had a high-pitch squealing drive me away, once, but then it went away after the divorce....
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Same problem here. Thinking of playin the dog whistle app thru my home stereo at high volume. It should in theory keep my ex away from the house, since technically a ***** is just a female dog. Will report back with results
Haaahahaha!!! Next time instead of getting a divorce, find some broad you dont like and buy her a house!
The Dog whistle doesnt necessarily scare them away it just gets a response which seems to vary at frequency and breed.
Havent had a buggy enough day to play with the anti bug yet but there seems to be mixed ideas as to whether it even works at all, love to see if we can get some practical feedback
Careful everybody....if we actually validate the ability of this app to keep away unwanted family members (especially former ones), the developer will have such a hit on his hands that he'll be a fool not to start charging for it
Hahaha, u guys made me LOL....
But seriously, the anti bug software does not work. I was having lunch yesterday and saw a mosquito land near my plate. I launched the prog and brought my phone slowly towards it. I selected all 3 variations and even set it at 1m and 5m. I also flipped it around in case the high freq sound it's supposed to be emitting comes from the front speakers.
The phone was about 5cm away from the mosquito and it didn't even flinch. I finally reached out and squashed it with my fingers...
So here in buffalo we had the Chase Corporate Challenge this past week. I was pretty excited to have my evo, both for music, and to use as a timer (if you've ever walked/run the corporate challenge, you know that you'll never get an accurate time unless you take time tracking into your own hands). Not being much of a runner (besides occasional run-ins with the treadmill at the gym) I hadn't gone jogging with my phone before, so I was pretty dismayed when my phone started to completely act up on me.
First off, my music kept skipping and going to the next track. On top of that, for some reason, my phone kept going into voice search mode. Lastly I discovered that the route/timing tracking software I was using must have gotten itself paused for a large chunk of my run in the middle... completely losing where I was and ruining any chance at getting a real time for my run. What made it even worse is about 80% of my company is iPhone users... so the whole thing was pretty embarrassing.
I have a few theories that I need to test as to why it acted so flaky... I kept it in my pocket the whole time. After the run when I was diagnosing, I noticed that when I jiggled the headphone plug, the phone would pause/play the music and sometimes go into voice command mode. I can only imagine that on top of that, the power button must have kept getting pressed when it was flying around in my pocket and somehow my thigh was hitting the pause/play button on the lockscreen. As for the route tracking software, I have no idea... it probably got confused when my phone kept doing all the other things.
So this post is partly a rant, but I'd like to know, has anyone else gone running with their phone? Have their adventures been more successful than mine? And what the heck is up with the voice command thing? Maybe it was the headphones I was using sending odd signals somehow through the jack? Does anyone have any ideas there? At some point I want to get a pair of BT stereo headphones, but it seems like even then not all my problems will be solved... Very annoyed.
At least the good news is I think I came in first out of the "XXL" category here in buffalo... if only they tracked the results by weight, I'd be a superstar
I have no idea if this would cause a problem because I haven't researched how it works, but I wonder if the phone's proximity switch could cause problems when jogging/running.
You should try and get a waist band thing for it or look for something that you can put it on your arm. Just something that can hold it securely in one place.
this has been covered exhaustively, unfortunately not many people seem to care
or they haven't tried the headphone jack out yet.
Read this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698699
Hey
Check out the "list of issues" thread in this forum. #6 sounds like yours
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been running 2 times with music on and using my tracks... everything was perfect.
I jog 4 miles a day and lift weights. Never had those issues. Maybe its just you.
sounds like a bad headphone jack
I run and bike with my EVO and it has been a pleasure. I recommend using CardioTrainer as your work out recorder. It does a great job and even speaks over your music at set intervals to tell you how far you have in what amount of time. It also auto pauses your workout if you take a break and automatically uploads all of the data to a private website.
I went running with my Evo for the first time today.
I strapped it on to am arm band.
It felt a little large at first, but got used to it on my arm after a few minutes.
I played music and also ran Google's "MyTracks" software.
MyTracks uses GPS to log your run and reports all kinds of stats (Pace, Avg moving time, Distance, etc).
I had absolutely no problems.
I agree with other posters that you should try to get an arm band or a belt.
It almost sounds like you were hitting the bottom 4 buttons, but i don't think that is it.
I was listening to music through the headphone jack on my home stereo earlier today and noticed some of the same ****. No skipping, but the song would change by themselves. Happened like 5 times in the course of a couple of hours. Strange.
Just as a side note the BT headphones I have work almost flawless, it's awesome.
the problem with the headphones jack is that it is like the one for the nexus, and the nexus comes with headphones that control playing (play/pause, skip forward/backward). standard headphones don't have the contact that mediates those controls, so when the jack jostles around, it hits that contact point, and causes the skipping issue. as far as i know, only solution is to use a set of headphones with those controls.
which is why i kept the headphones from the N1 when i sold it.
I would never put my EVO in my pocket when I run. In my opinion, a tight belt clip or an arm band are the only solutions.
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Thanks for all the suggestions. It definitely does seem to be a headphone jack issue, as the phone is constantly getting signals to activate voice dialing. I saw there was a DIY mod on android forums that involved bending one of the headphone contacts... I'm trying to decide if I want to try that or just find a set of nexus-style headphones until I get the BT set (BT stereo headphones are pretty pricey so I need to do research before I just throw down $100-200 on a set).
I could try finding an armband... but this thing is huge. good thing I have big arms? Seems more reasonable than a belt clip though, as I don't exactly have a flat stomach lol... seems that having something there while running would be pretty uncomfortable!
How do you run with it in your pocket? Unless you're wearing spandex...
I run with mine but I just hold it in my hand. But I never run more than 5k.
Definitely a headphone problem. If you have crappy headphones with bad contacts or wires, it will confuse the EVO into thinking you are pressing remote buttons on the inline remote.
Also...how do you run with it in your pockets? That would annoy the crap out of me with all the un-anchored weight and probably some chaffing.
where can I get an armband for it?
There are also a number of apps fir the EVO that execute things like skipping songs, taking screen shots, etc by shaking the phone.
It sounds like one of those was running in the background.
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I jog 4 miles a day and lift weights. Never had those issues. Maybe its just you.
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what exactly does lifting weights have to do with anything? or did you just throw that in there for the sake of your e-penis?
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How do you run with it in your pocket? Unless you're wearing spandex...
I run with mine but I just hold it in my hand. But I never run more than 5k.
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Also...how do you run with it in your pockets? That would annoy the crap out of me with all the un-anchored weight and probably some chaffing.
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I have normal running shorts but I've been wearing lightweight cotton plaid golf-type shorts for running recently. They're almost as light as the running shorts and they have deep narrow pockets... didn't bother me at all. Of course I also mentioned that I'm a large guy, so maybe all the fat on my thighs acts as a barrier so it doesn't annoy me haha.
Hey all, watching some flash videos today made me notice how poorly the N1 puts sound out the back speaker, even compared to my old G1. I remember back in my Blackberry days that people used to mod the backs to "let more sound get out", and so I started looking into this...
First off, the speaker is GINORMOUS in relation to the slit. If you look inside the back where the speaker is, you can see a little internal grille, and the small slit for sound to escape. There's also a TON more room where that grille isnt attached to the back (same shape as the slit, only about 5x the size) that could be milled out pretty easily, and still retain the "keep crap out of the back" feature of the grille.
So, this leaves me with a few questions:
Where can I get a replacement back, in case my mill catches a bit more than I anticipate?
Anyone else interested? I figure if I set up to do one, I might as well bang a few others out instead of setting up multiple times.
Once I get a second back, I will be going at this with pics and hopefully notable improvement in projecting sound into my hand, and back toward my face!
I might not be a software hacker, but when it comes to this sort of thing, I figure its the best way I can give back to the community!
Give HTC support a call and tell them your cover doesn't line up properly(I don't think any of them do) they'll send you out a replacement. If they don't they can sell you one for ten bucks I think.
Hope to hear good results from your mod, might do it myself.
I actually think the small slit does something to amplify the sound..
Take the back off, play music, put it on. Notice it gets louder when you place it back on..
I don't know though, but I'll be following this thread!
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I actually think the small slit does something to amplify the sound..
Take the back off, play music, put it on. Notice it gets louder when you place it back on..
I don't know though, but I'll be following this thread!
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Yea, I think the OP should test and see if there's even a noticeable difference without the back cover. I would think not...
Try removing the cover, sounds WAY worse.
Yes, I completely realize the back sounds bad off, its acting as a resonator, or isolating front from back waves of the speaker, which causes phase cancellation. Thus why im not removing the cover, just making the one hole bigger. It SHOULD not lose the "low end" that it has with the back on (if you want to call it that.
Either way, Im hacking at least one up, Ill post results!
Do it. (poor phone!)
I would suggest to replace the speaker with a Desire one, some people who have both phones pretend it's way louder on Desire, and yes it's the same form factor and size so it should fit
It is quite a bit louder without the cover but sounds bad due to the lack of resonance.
Shouldnt be too bad with just an enlargement, make sure you put something to block out dust. Let us know how it goes.
I've found that attaching one of these to the back quite useful...
or try a vuvuzela
I think the engineer who designed that whole was well aware of resonance qualities. If you make that whole and turns out better, you should apply to HTC job hehe...
@Hummeroid
Good idea ...
What about drilling mini-holes arround the "slit" ?
Instead of making ONE BIG hole ...
Very Interesting mod idea...I think the small drilled holes would be an effective test.
Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
I looking for the out come of this.
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Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
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hah, I've never seen anyone else do it, but I do this all the time if I'm showing people a video or am in a noisy setting (ie. party)
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hah, I've never seen anyone else do it, but I do this all the time if I'm showing people a video or am in a noisy setting (ie. party)
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Nah, everyone does it.. I mostly do it when I want to listen to something quiet, I can turn it down and redirect the sound towards me.
I actually have a really good pair of earphones. I prefer that the main speaker is in the back, instead of in the earpiece like some phones. Prevents earspeaker blowout and call quality is damn good with this phone so far.
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Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
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I try to put it up against a wall. Your hand can work to absorb sound waves, thus deadening sound and lowering overall quality; but drywall bounces the sound waves back nearly impeccably. Desks, etc, any hard surface should do the trick.
Hello,
does anybody hear an coil whine from the speaker during phone call?
Many people especially older people can't here that, so it would be nice to get feedback from someone who usually can hear that.
No one?
I can hear the coil whine from the top speaker even when not in a call. Just put the phone up to my ear and it's there.
It's not very loud so I'm just dealing with it. I heard it in my first phone before I replaced it due to screen gaps also.
Not the end of the world I guess
I hear it sometimes, but not all the time. And even then only when the room is completely 100% quiet. In a room with normal background noise I don't notice it at all.
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No, as I have the old speaker grill.
You have posted a negative / snarky post on every thread I've looked at today - what is your deal?
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"good" to hear that i'm not the only one. It's really weird that it's noticable without even calling someone. Sometimes I can hear it while laying in bed and that bothers me a lot.
I wrote essential and they just said that they can't do anything for warranty while I'm living in germany. So I told them to just forward my problem to an technican and they did.
So everyone else with the same problem, send essential an message and describe the problem. They just start helping if there are enough people with who complain! Maybe they can fit it via firmware update.
Look at the OnePlus, since the oneplus 2 or 3 there was a microphone bug and it was fixed after the OP5 was released just because there wasn't enough people who complain. I don't want to wait that long.
I definitely have coil whine in my brand new essential ph-1. Pretty persistent when in apps....has anyone else tried antutu benchmark? Mine is much more noticeable then (heavy load)...also it is much more noticeable in the back of the device than the front (I listen by the camera)
I also have a OnePlus 5 and an iPhone 7 that do the same thing...the OnePlus actually makes the noise with the screen off for a while, so the fact that the essential phone is at least silent when off is a plus I guess? I am tempted to ask for a replacement but I feel like every one will have this...it's just an insulation thing
I recieved my second Essential Phone and I can hear a little buzzing from the top speaker but it's ok.
No loud coil whine I think. I didn't test it that much, but the second dosen't bother me that much.
Ordered a third one because on the second one there are bigger gaps between frame and backside.
Maybe there is the same problem like with the pixel 2 devices. Google announced that they will provide an fix via update.
Not to beat a dead thread but I just received 2 essential phones from the amazon sale, and I am happy to report, BOTH devices have the same noise as you describe. Why am I happy? Because I can confirm that what you are hearing is the completely normal sound of coil whine!
Coil whine has been an oft documented phenomenon throughout most electronic devices, especially computers, but seems to be making its way into the cell phone world lately (just google Hiss-Gate if you don’t believe me). The fact of the matter is, all electronic devices can produce a hiss from electric coils as more and more current is drawn through them. The hiss actually comes from these coils vibrating with the current load. This is why you may see an increse in noise while gaming or filming 4K etc.
Why, then, are we only hearing about it recently? And why does the essential phone have this “problem”? I’m glad you asked You see, up until about the iPhone 6 era, phones were heavy, large, thick, and had terrible battery life. This all adds up to manufacturers having much more ability to dampen this coil whine. Whether it be through applying a paste like substance over the coils to prevent vibration, or simply thicker chassis material to “trap” noise in. We also hear of it more now because internals in phones are becoming much more powerful, and demanding much more current to run the more complex apps and games that exist today. The more current needed to power these internals, the more chance for coil whine. We also hear of coil whine more and more lately because, historically speaking, the generation of users who noticed the problem (ie the younger generations) are able to detect higher frequencies of sound than the older generation. Coil whine is a high frequency noise.
The reason you are hearing the noise by the speaker is simply because the speaker is located near the coils in this device, and provide an opening for the sound to escape the chassis. There is no water proofing membrane here to trap noise a bit better, so it is a little louder than your galaxies or iPhones (also why the Pixel is seemingly “plagued” more than other phones)
So long story short: this sound is completely normal. Nothing to RMA about (because, well, you’re just wasting time sending a phone back only to get one with the same sound in return). After viewing the teardown, I would actually be MORE concerned if you have a device that didn’t have some coil whine, as that may be a sign that current is not being properly distributed to the components, causing them to attempt to operate without the proper juice.
Thank you for your detailed answer. You saved a lot of time, trouble and money for me because I live in Germany.
That's a bad news actually because after a time it feels like a headache for me because those sounds bothers me a lot. The printer in the office makes me crazy with that sounds but I'm the only one who hears that.
Essential told me their hardware team is working on it so maybe we can just hope that the second Essential Phone don't have that coil whine. .
I had three Essential Phones and the third of them don't have the high pitched noise. It's more like a buzzing and it dosen't bothers me like the high pitched noise. It's the one which seems to have the baddest build quality of them, and the speaker grill come of. Same problem with the second one so I will keep the first one.
Essential offered me an exchance but they can't send it to germany. I think you are right, so the exchance wouldnt help either.
I hear ya. I can pick out abnormalities on phones almost immediately, so I’ve been driven crazy by the humming and chirping of coil whine for over a year now with other devices. At this point I can’t imagine Essential would release a silent version of the Ph-1 with some putty over the coils or something, so if it really bothers you, I’d say hope that they release an update to unclock the internals a bit and leads to a lower power draw (they’ve fixed the camera through software so it could happen!). Just for reference, I am bit of a tech snob and have had many phones this past year, and ALL of the high end phones from iPhone to Samsung can experience this under load. From my brief time with the ph-1, it is in the middle end of the spectrum in terms of noise, not the loudest, not the quietest! At least it’s nearly half the sound as the Pixel 2 non XL!
It’s just the old “they don’t make em like they used to” argument.