I am supposedly in a UTMS/HSDPA zone (Detroit MI). The phone show me a "U" in the status bar. I've read the speed is around 1.5Mb/s. But I am getting only 30KB/s - 50KB/s MAX using the Hermes as a bluetooth modem! This sucks!
Is this speed limited by bluetooth? If I use the phone as a USB modem instead, does that increase the speed significantly? It's a much more involved setup to do this however.
Or am I missing something? These speeds are atrociuos for what I am paying. I expect MUCH MUCH higher speeds. Please someone enlighten me or I am going to cancel the stupid service.
Very frustrated. Thanks for any input.
Anyone?
I have the same problem via USB, here 60 miles north of Manila, Philippines. Best I can figure, it has to do with the radio stack being used...? I am using Orange m3100, but my buddies in Manila using Dopod 838 Pro and/or Universal, get real 3G speeds with no special settings...
What version of BT is on your laptop? Older versions than 2.0 are very slow. I use USB and get 700 Kbps avg with 2 bars of UMTS in Bay area, CA.
anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
No EDR
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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My buddy has a PCMCIA Card with EVDO Rev0. I put it the same computer and got constant DL rates at around 100Kb/s. That is very acceptable.
Using BT 2.0, it's horrible. I don't get anywhere close to 90Kb/sec.
So now, it might make more sense that USB would yield higher download rates. MAYBE.
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anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
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Thank you very much for the clarification. I'll check USB out to see if the x-fer rate is faster.
As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
anubus12 - let me tell you few things and then I will answer your questions. OK?
If you want to have fast data access for your PC - use PCMCIA cards or build in systems - IBM has few notebooks with it, other I do not care
I can assure you that it will be quicker then any connection via USB/BT because hardware and software (drivers and apps) are dedicated only to handle DUN (dial up networking).
So there is no point of comparing PCMCIA cards to PocketPC telephones. Especially when you are using two different networks.
I had HTC Apache in Sprint and Hermes in T-Mobile/Cingular and then I can tell you that Sprint network is simply faster then Cingular. First of all Sprint in my area is fully EVDO-Rev.0 and Cingular is UMTS sometimes HSDPA or EDGE depends on radio used, interference, or even air (windy/raining/t-storm - it has some influence).
HTC Hermes just like other PocketPC handles DUN well, but it is more like backup connection, not when you need it all the time. Just get the info and finish connection. Not because price per MB but they were not build to work this way. You need PCMCIA cards for that purpose (constant net access).
Most of people here might disagree but if you are not traveling internationally on regular basis - use Sprint or Verizon - it is faster and more reliable. Sorry guys its the truth.
When T-Mobile will start 3G it might be different thou T-Mobile has expirence in other countries but other networks has this advantage.
If you traver internationally then you have to use Cingular or T-Mobile. For corporate use I would choose Cingular for personal T-Mobile.
My point is that you cannot compare something which is not comperable. Back to your questions.
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As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
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OK, let me put it in the easy way
You have Cingular so your only choice is UMTS/HSDPA (3G) and EDGE (2G) because Cingular claims that it's network is fully EDGE enabled.
When on top screen bar you have G (or when using aku 3.3 - E) you are going to GSM (for basic data), AMR (for speach codecs), GPRS (for data connection).
When on top screen bar you have U (or when using aku 3.3 U or H) you are going to WCDMA (for basic data) or HSDPA CQI Status (for knowledge is HSDPA is in use). Well if you see H (aku 3.3) you know that you are in HSDPA area. But if you are using aku 2.3 you are going to HSDPA CQI Status.
You have to know that GSM/GPRS/EDGE data are time and usage driven due to it is TDMA network (Time Division Multiple Access). It means that network data are given to you every few seconds. Because data transfers it is usage then when you are finished data is 0 because nothing is happening. You have to monitor during transfer.
UMTS/HSDPA data are event driven due to it is CDMA network (Code Division Multiple Access). It means that you will see something during and after event. Like after download, but you have to have FieldTest open during download to record data. You are in HSDPA when after/during download in HDSPA CQI Status group CQI1-10 fields are more then 0.
Hope this helps, if you have more question just ask
I use both bluetooth and usb on the cingular network with my tytn.
And yes, bluetooth is much slower than usb regardless of the type of bluetooth on the pc.
I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
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eagle 1 - By your end of quote I can tell you that still you are thinking old way
Huge advantage of CDMA is it's multi connection to tower bases. There is no handover like in TDMA system. In large city your cell might be served by many towers (TyTN 1 to 6).
HSDPA is regarding of category 0.9/1.2/1.8/3.6 Mbps (current). During 2007 CeBit in Hanover 7.3 Mbps will be shown. It will go thru 10.2 to 14.4 Mbps (max) in near future. Of course like any other link you have to substract overhead of TCP/IP protocol data of avg. 20%.
Like fast ethenet - suppose to be 100 Mbps = 12.5 MBps, if you will get 80 Mbps = 10 MBps of real transfer you have very fast network.
If you have more questions - ask
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@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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drummer10630 - did you check your speed using any speed tester? Sometimes speed is relative. Remember that some pages are optimised for PDAs with less ads, better html coding etc.
First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
Second - check if you have installed in your computer software like IM/update that will use some band without your knowledge. That can kill your connection for good.
And last - delete everything for comp - inf files, and related dlls. Install one more time and do not change anything. As plan as it can be.
As usualy - if you have more questions - ask
I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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OK, let me answer.
I do not know how abubasim knows that TyTN does not have EDR but this is meaningless.
Your speeds are normal. First of all maximum speed is something which normally is never achived. Why? Because of interference, not optimal power scheme etc. Just like WiFi (IEEE 802.11g) you will never get transfer of 54 Mbps = 6.75 MBps even with protocols overhead (of 20%) = 5.4 MBps. Real transfer is 1.5-2.5 MBps.
Now BT speeds:
BT 1.2 - 721 kbps = 90.125 kBps = real transfer max 72.1 kBps so your speed of 40 kBps is normal with this type. I would said that this is good link speed.
BT 2.0 - 3 Mbps = 384 kBps = real transfer max 307.2 kBps but as per wikipedia data transfer is 3xBT 1.2 = 2.11 Mbps = 270.375 kBps = real transfer max 216.3 kBps so your transfer of 70 kBps is roughly 1/3 so it is about right. I would say that 110 kBps is what you may get, if more you are lucky.
I do not know if TyTN has EDR - in my opinion it may have, but it has to be chcecked.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions - ask
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First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
@Pawlisko :
i think the tytn has 2.0+EDR also if HTC website say 2.0 without edr ( this mean nothing if you read the BT specs ) .
I was using a samsung Z560 HSDPA before ( BT 1.2) and max download speed via BT in conjunction to my 2.0+edr laptop never reach up to 40KB/s.
Now with tytn i can reach up to 70KB/s and a stable 55KB/s , i mean tytn has real BT2.0+edr imho...
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
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Right. My bad
Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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How do you set the modem to 460Kbps? The bluetooth modem is set as a standard modem at 115200, which is the MAX. I don't see an option for 460kps. Are you saying to set it up the BT connection as something other than a standard modem?
Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!
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Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!
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Just ran the test with a 1MB file.
Result was 775 kbit/s.
Network is O2 Germany.
Test was done inside a building, that might lower the transfer rate.
That site's not much use - I just got 500k on 3G, then 250k on wifi (on the 1mbyte test).
Testmyiphone 3Mbyte seems fairly consistent, about 1.25mbit, or 2mbit on wifi (lowest performance, best battery setting).
This is Orange btw, in a good signal area.
Orange france HSDPA : 390kbit/sec
Wifi : 1042kbit/sec
Using Opera
377kbit/s, T-Mobile, UK
874 kbit/sec
0.433s latency
9.786s d/l time.
orange uk using internet explorer
Not overly convinced about the speed test site...
runninga 1Mb file test over my wifi (10meg link) to get some benchmarks before trying 3G, I got
test 1: 'too fast - 2.8seconds'
test 2: 272 kbs, 0.195s latency, 30.151s download time
test 3: 261 kbs, 0.154s latency, 31.515s
test 4: 169 kbs, 0.147s latency, 48.552s
all tests run one after another, with only enough time inbetween for me to copy the results into this post.
the file transfer bar at the bottom?
jumps to 350kb ish instantly
600 / 700 in about 2 seconds
950 a few seconds later
950 - 1Mb takes the remaining 20odd seconds.
not convinced...
LOL.
Posted that, then thought - 1 more go...
test 5: 1156kbs, 0.176s latency, 7.259s
sorry, not going to bother trying over 3G
There was the same thread in the Diamond forum.
It turned out that it also depends on what browser you use.
I did my test with Opera. PIE seems to be slower, so if anyone of you ran the test with Internet Explorer, please re-run it with Opera.
3G speeds
DSL reports:
- 1259 kbps, 0,318s latency, 1Mb file
I used HTC HD as a modem, a local FTP server, I suppose I was the only one connecting to that antena:
Download:6.5Mbps using FlashGet. The results are better than the ones taken with Huawei E220 HSDPA modem.
Upload:1.3Mbps using FileZilla
Location : Orange Moldova
818kbit/sec on SFR france
1348 o2 UK
Hallo Folks,
I think my WiFi-Connection on my brand new HTC Blackstone is very slow. But I had the same problem with my older tytn II.
I have to say, that I am rather hazy about the speed one can achieve...
Here you can get a 10/100/2000 MB testfile: http://www2.qsc.de/dltest/
So I will start and will update this list:
me: 533 kbps
bbonzz: 1750 kbps
Please say how fast you are connected with the internet, so we can except the internet connection.
p.s.: Sorry for my bad english!
tested two days ago with 1mb file -->1750 kbps
Can you tell me what channel you are using.. perhaps it has something to do with it. I use one (next used channel is 11) and alternative for testing 13, but its the same!
11. But i connect to a 20mbps lan, so maybe you have a slower connection hotspot
hmm... i have 16 mbit, so somehow something is wrong
could it have something to do with different radio or maybe i have a different network stack in my win mob 6.1 ?
Have you already enlarged the connection window via HDTweak and enabled WlanG? (last one i'm not sure makes any difference, but surely doesn't harm)
Yes - i have checked the first thing and applied the second thing u mentioned... no differenze
I now tried duttys latest rom... but still the same
The page you linked to redirects to the homepage.
I tested on www.ozspeedtest.com
On both the 600KB and 3MB files I got exactly:
1.63MBps
My internet speed is:
20Mbps
Having moved from an iPhone 3G to the Touch HD (and having previously owned over 5 other HTC phones), I'm finding the 3G speeds abysmal!
I was expecting Opera to be slower than Safari, but not to the extent that I have found.
Try news.bbc.co.uk or guardian.co.uk on Opera - both take around 30-60 seconds to appear! Is that the experience of other O2 customers in the UK, or on other networks?
I would also like feedback on which ROM/Radio versions you are running - I am currently on Duttys 1.7 with the 1.10 radio.
Thanks all!
Cant speak for O2 but on t-mobile, cnn takes 11 secs and the beeb takes 9secs to load. Remember that 3g quality can influence these speeds too. I'm on Dutty's 1.7.
Thanks for that. Can you try a speed test on something like www.dslreports.com/mspeed - might be a useful comparison. Try a few tests to get a average. Thanks.
212Kbit/sec for me on O2
Edders
That is slow!
Some of my test have been over 1mb but browsing feels slow!
400KB file @ 714kb/seconds on Orange 3G in my living room in a house.
you should be lucky you can get it at all, my home is on a hill with a direct line of sight to the o2 radio mast and i cant even get 3G!
Ive tried a new SIM im about to try a new radio ROM but all in all i just dont seem to be able to get it.
On O2 using Laurentius' V6 and with 3-4 bars of HSDPA from Kingston upon Thames....
I used Internet Explorer, downloaded the 1MB test file from http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and got 474k/sec
Then I tested Opera with 1MB file and got 297 k/sec
Then I tested IE again (1 MB) to double check the speed and got 222 k/sec
Then double checked with Opera (1 MB)and got 351 k/sec
So what does this tell us? Well IE has the fastest and slowest download speed and Opera is somewhere in the middle so I don't think it tells us anything except download speeds can fluctuate quite significantly in a very short space of time! Not very helpful or consistent.
I noticed my average latency was 0.5 sec, which is made much less significant with a big download but by downloading small files or web pages the latency will have a much more noticable effect.
I also ran the test on my PC using my company network which is quite fast for browsing and only got 400k/sec but the latency was just 0.1 sec
Hi guys,
Is it true that the higher the version, the better the radio software is?
My Leo is working on the 2.09.51.03_2 version...
Pls react!
Tnx Johan
different radios work better for different regions... all you can do is try some and see what works better for you...
What's a good Radio for use in the USA for AT&T's 3G network? Any suggestions?
In Florida, AT&T, 9193 I am using
2.08.50.08_2 with MIRI V 10.0 WWE, Cookie HT 7.1 and five pages of quick link apps. It is stable, always stays on H, no crackle in phone audio. Drops calls sometimes in the condo, but not as bad as the Tilt did.