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I am supposedly in a UTMS/HSDPA zone (Detroit MI). The phone show me a "U" in the status bar. I've read the speed is around 1.5Mb/s. But I am getting only 30KB/s - 50KB/s MAX using the Hermes as a bluetooth modem! This sucks!
Is this speed limited by bluetooth? If I use the phone as a USB modem instead, does that increase the speed significantly? It's a much more involved setup to do this however.
Or am I missing something? These speeds are atrociuos for what I am paying. I expect MUCH MUCH higher speeds. Please someone enlighten me or I am going to cancel the stupid service.
Very frustrated. Thanks for any input.
Anyone?
I have the same problem via USB, here 60 miles north of Manila, Philippines. Best I can figure, it has to do with the radio stack being used...? I am using Orange m3100, but my buddies in Manila using Dopod 838 Pro and/or Universal, get real 3G speeds with no special settings...
What version of BT is on your laptop? Older versions than 2.0 are very slow. I use USB and get 700 Kbps avg with 2 bars of UMTS in Bay area, CA.
anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
No EDR
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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My buddy has a PCMCIA Card with EVDO Rev0. I put it the same computer and got constant DL rates at around 100Kb/s. That is very acceptable.
Using BT 2.0, it's horrible. I don't get anywhere close to 90Kb/sec.
So now, it might make more sense that USB would yield higher download rates. MAYBE.
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anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
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Thank you very much for the clarification. I'll check USB out to see if the x-fer rate is faster.
As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
anubus12 - let me tell you few things and then I will answer your questions. OK?
If you want to have fast data access for your PC - use PCMCIA cards or build in systems - IBM has few notebooks with it, other I do not care
I can assure you that it will be quicker then any connection via USB/BT because hardware and software (drivers and apps) are dedicated only to handle DUN (dial up networking).
So there is no point of comparing PCMCIA cards to PocketPC telephones. Especially when you are using two different networks.
I had HTC Apache in Sprint and Hermes in T-Mobile/Cingular and then I can tell you that Sprint network is simply faster then Cingular. First of all Sprint in my area is fully EVDO-Rev.0 and Cingular is UMTS sometimes HSDPA or EDGE depends on radio used, interference, or even air (windy/raining/t-storm - it has some influence).
HTC Hermes just like other PocketPC handles DUN well, but it is more like backup connection, not when you need it all the time. Just get the info and finish connection. Not because price per MB but they were not build to work this way. You need PCMCIA cards for that purpose (constant net access).
Most of people here might disagree but if you are not traveling internationally on regular basis - use Sprint or Verizon - it is faster and more reliable. Sorry guys its the truth.
When T-Mobile will start 3G it might be different thou T-Mobile has expirence in other countries but other networks has this advantage.
If you traver internationally then you have to use Cingular or T-Mobile. For corporate use I would choose Cingular for personal T-Mobile.
My point is that you cannot compare something which is not comperable. Back to your questions.
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As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
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OK, let me put it in the easy way
You have Cingular so your only choice is UMTS/HSDPA (3G) and EDGE (2G) because Cingular claims that it's network is fully EDGE enabled.
When on top screen bar you have G (or when using aku 3.3 - E) you are going to GSM (for basic data), AMR (for speach codecs), GPRS (for data connection).
When on top screen bar you have U (or when using aku 3.3 U or H) you are going to WCDMA (for basic data) or HSDPA CQI Status (for knowledge is HSDPA is in use). Well if you see H (aku 3.3) you know that you are in HSDPA area. But if you are using aku 2.3 you are going to HSDPA CQI Status.
You have to know that GSM/GPRS/EDGE data are time and usage driven due to it is TDMA network (Time Division Multiple Access). It means that network data are given to you every few seconds. Because data transfers it is usage then when you are finished data is 0 because nothing is happening. You have to monitor during transfer.
UMTS/HSDPA data are event driven due to it is CDMA network (Code Division Multiple Access). It means that you will see something during and after event. Like after download, but you have to have FieldTest open during download to record data. You are in HSDPA when after/during download in HDSPA CQI Status group CQI1-10 fields are more then 0.
Hope this helps, if you have more question just ask
I use both bluetooth and usb on the cingular network with my tytn.
And yes, bluetooth is much slower than usb regardless of the type of bluetooth on the pc.
I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
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eagle 1 - By your end of quote I can tell you that still you are thinking old way
Huge advantage of CDMA is it's multi connection to tower bases. There is no handover like in TDMA system. In large city your cell might be served by many towers (TyTN 1 to 6).
HSDPA is regarding of category 0.9/1.2/1.8/3.6 Mbps (current). During 2007 CeBit in Hanover 7.3 Mbps will be shown. It will go thru 10.2 to 14.4 Mbps (max) in near future. Of course like any other link you have to substract overhead of TCP/IP protocol data of avg. 20%.
Like fast ethenet - suppose to be 100 Mbps = 12.5 MBps, if you will get 80 Mbps = 10 MBps of real transfer you have very fast network.
If you have more questions - ask
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@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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drummer10630 - did you check your speed using any speed tester? Sometimes speed is relative. Remember that some pages are optimised for PDAs with less ads, better html coding etc.
First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
Second - check if you have installed in your computer software like IM/update that will use some band without your knowledge. That can kill your connection for good.
And last - delete everything for comp - inf files, and related dlls. Install one more time and do not change anything. As plan as it can be.
As usualy - if you have more questions - ask
I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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OK, let me answer.
I do not know how abubasim knows that TyTN does not have EDR but this is meaningless.
Your speeds are normal. First of all maximum speed is something which normally is never achived. Why? Because of interference, not optimal power scheme etc. Just like WiFi (IEEE 802.11g) you will never get transfer of 54 Mbps = 6.75 MBps even with protocols overhead (of 20%) = 5.4 MBps. Real transfer is 1.5-2.5 MBps.
Now BT speeds:
BT 1.2 - 721 kbps = 90.125 kBps = real transfer max 72.1 kBps so your speed of 40 kBps is normal with this type. I would said that this is good link speed.
BT 2.0 - 3 Mbps = 384 kBps = real transfer max 307.2 kBps but as per wikipedia data transfer is 3xBT 1.2 = 2.11 Mbps = 270.375 kBps = real transfer max 216.3 kBps so your transfer of 70 kBps is roughly 1/3 so it is about right. I would say that 110 kBps is what you may get, if more you are lucky.
I do not know if TyTN has EDR - in my opinion it may have, but it has to be chcecked.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions - ask
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First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
@Pawlisko :
i think the tytn has 2.0+EDR also if HTC website say 2.0 without edr ( this mean nothing if you read the BT specs ) .
I was using a samsung Z560 HSDPA before ( BT 1.2) and max download speed via BT in conjunction to my 2.0+edr laptop never reach up to 40KB/s.
Now with tytn i can reach up to 70KB/s and a stable 55KB/s , i mean tytn has real BT2.0+edr imho...
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
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Right. My bad
Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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How do you set the modem to 460Kbps? The bluetooth modem is set as a standard modem at 115200, which is the MAX. I don't see an option for 460kps. Are you saying to set it up the BT connection as something other than a standard modem?
Hi all, i've recently upgraded my radio rom and os to radio rom 1.41 and os to wm6 now i know that with the tytn breeds i.e mda vario,tytn,spv M3100 u can get speeds of up to 1.8meg from 3.5g. I'm on t-mobile uk using a debranded spv m3100 the phone show's up the H sign and when i click on it it say's t-mobile (Hsdpa) but my speeds have been slower then 3g for the past couple of days sometimes http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed say's that my connection is only 120kb/s other times it's 300kb/s. once i've had 895kb/s from the connection, at the moment it's showing up on the phone 4 full bars and the h to say i'm using hsdpa & getting 160kb/s with 3g i've had speeds of 333k/bs , other times my signal strengh drops right down to 1 bar and switches between hsdpa & 3g like every 2 minutes or so, i thought that once u've got a hsdpa enabled phone & the area where your using it with your network is hsdpa enabled u should be able to get 1.5meg (t-mobile uk max hsdpa speeds) or is there other things to consider, i have got hsdpa enabled on both the phone & my account (on w&w pro) & the mast for the network is right in front of my house & it is hsdpa enabled for my area so that should'nt make any differnce surly, hope somebody can explain how come my connection on both my phone & laptop is up & down more times then a tart's knickers instead of staying still. thx my spl for my phone is 2.10ipro & the phone is sim unlocked & supercid aswell
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Hi all, i've recently upgraded my radio rom and os to radio rom 1.41 and os to wm6 now i know that with the tytn breeds i.e mda vario,tytn,spv M3100 u can get speeds of up to 1.8meg from 3.5g. I'm on t-mobile uk using a debranded spv m3100 the phone show's up the H sign and when i click on it it say's t-mobile (Hsdpa) but my speeds have been slower then 3g for the past couple of days sometimes http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed say's that my connection is only 120kb/s other times it's 300kb/s. once i've had 895kb/s from the connection, at the moment it's showing up on the phone 4 full bars and the h to say i'm using hsdpa & getting 160kb/s with 3g i've had speeds of 333k/bs , other times my signal strengh drops right down to 1 bar and switches between hsdpa & 3g like every 2 minutes or so, i thought that once u've got a hsdpa enabled phone & the area where your using it with your network is hsdpa enabled u should be able to get 1.5meg (t-mobile uk max hsdpa speeds) or is there other things to consider, i have got hsdpa enabled on both the phone & my account (on w&w pro) & the mast for the network is right in front of my house & it is hsdpa enabled for my area so that should'nt make any differnce surly, hope somebody can explain how come my connection on both my phone & laptop is up & down more times then a tart's knickers instead of staying still. thx my spl for my phone is 2.10ipro & the phone is sim unlocked & supercid aswell
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Well 1.5mg is ambitious but 500 to 1000 is in reality more like it.
Less than 500 is not HSDPA. Have you enabled the HSDPA on the phone. It's off by default. Secondly there are cases reported where T-Mobile say it's enabled their end but isn't and it takes 2 or 3 calls to different folk before it really is.
Couple of links that may help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294939
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285270
Mike
Hi mike yes hsdpa is enabled on the phone as i've checked in htc-tweak what came with the rom i'm using and it does show the H on the screen also it show's up t-mobile (hsdpa) and i have rang up t-mobile to have it enabled and they said they would send me a service txt out but never recived that, and i've rang up twice and they keep saying that hsdpa is enabled do i need to ring them back up to make 100% sure that i have got enabled ? thx on one last note hsdpa is enabled as i've just done a test with http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed again and clicked on the 600 file and got a massive speed increase from when i last tried it, it was around 200 kb/s this time a stonking 905kb/s the second time i tried i got 1000kb/s does the speed vary @ times of the day as the 905kb/s & 1000kb/s is the very first time i've seen them sort of speeds from the connection, usally between 400 - 600 kb/s
I don't know if it's the upgrade of the radio rom,operating system or what now as I,ve just done another test with dslreports.com/mspeed and got a bloody low speed of 20kb/s no wonder web pages were taking about a minute to appear on screen and it's dropped right back to 3g and 2 bars in signal. Have I messed something up in the phone? for hsdpa to be like this? or am I going about it all the wrong way
1, hsdpa is enabled on the phone (it show,s up next to the networks name t-mobile hsdpa)
I have sethsdpa.exe /enabled in config.txt in windows on the phone and yes I do have SetHSdpa.exe in windows
3) is the version of the radio rom I use the problem that is 1.41.00.300 downloaded from xda itself thx again as I,m thinking 3,ve bricked the phone somehow
Your experience sound pretty much like mine. I am also using my M3100 now on T-Mobile. I have been informed that ordinary 3G will only give you highest speeds of approx 250kbps - 320 kbps so anything you are getting above that is HSDPA.
Also using dlsreports your results will vary quite a lot as the size of sample 600k to 1meg really isn't enough to give you an accurate reading. You should get something like IPDashboard or another gprs monitor with a graph and download a file from a known fast server preferably with low pings. Monitor that speed and see what it averages out as you're downloading it if you want an accurate idea of exactly what you're getting.
HSDPA is also dependent on usage, it doesn't matter if the transmitter is in your garden, if there are a lot of people using it then this will affect your speed.
speed does matter on where you are located and the number of channels available to your device's hsdpa chip. i do encounter the varying speed at the same location depending on the time of day no matter which device i used
thx all for the replys, i seem to have fixed it for some reason speeds have synced quite nicly now and staying still at between 950 kb/s - 1000 kb/s, if you wanna know what i did, i went into start,settings,connections usb to pc and unticked the box for advanced networking for activesync, rebooted the hermes as i was trying to remove the orange splash screen and cant get mtty.exe working as it says cant connect to usb port or something like that, so i rebooted the phone and decied to come to xda's website to find a answer and omg the web site tock about 0.1 sec to load instead of having to wait about 5 secs for it to load, so gonna do some more testing of the connection without the box ticked to see if it has settled down, if it has i'm gonna be laughing me face off and it's nearly as fast as my home broadband connection then as that's only 1meg what does that usb to pc advanced activesync do anyroad and why would that make any differnce to speeds over a usb connection? thx again
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thx all for the replys, i seem to have fixed it for some reason speeds have synced quite nicly now and staying still at between 950 kb/s - 1000 kb/s, if you wanna know what i did, i went into start,settings,connections usb to pc and unticked the box for advanced networking for activesync, rebooted the hermes as i was trying to remove the orange splash screen and cant get mtty.exe working as it says cant connect to usb port or something like that, so i rebooted the phone and decied to come to xda's website to find a answer and omg the web site tock about 0.1 sec to load instead of having to wait about 5 secs for it to load, so gonna do some more testing of the connection without the box ticked to see if it has settled down, if it has i'm gonna be laughing me face off and it's nearly as fast as my home broadband connection then as that's only 1meg what does that usb to pc advanced activesync do anyroad and why would that make any differnce to speeds over a usb connection? thx again
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Oh I remember some info on here somewhere on the things you could do with Advanced USB to PC connection. However the general guidance here is do NOT check the advanced USB>PC connections box - basically this can screw up the active sync connection.
But, what possible connection this has to your HSDPA connection I don't know. Maybe it has nothing to do with it and it was just the re-setting that cleaned things out and improved the connection.
Anyway, your speeds now look pretty decent/good
Mike
Mike been using me laptop all day with my i dont know wht u can call it now spv m3100 or tytn over vpn back to the office so i can remote control the servers there and the connection has never gone down past 900kb/s always staying around 1meg, so it does look like the connection has stabled and i hope it stays like this , but i'm gonna lose it on wensday for a few days as i'm gonna be working in Norwich and cant get 3g or even a good signal for gprs where i'm going, nver mind at least starbucks has t-mobile hotspots which i have an account for, thx again, @ the moment a radio staion i'm listering to is buffering like hell over hsdpa, doesnt do it on the phone tho with resco radio :-( i know why that it is got vpn going, downloading email & chatting to the missues aswell as downloading some files from xda, no wonder it's slow lmao thx agian
I can confirm that unchecking the "Enable advanced networking" box *seems* to increase my speed, but I can't explain why. Ran 5 600k speed tests at dslreports.com with it checked, speed averaged 210kbit. Unchecked, rebooted, average went up to 621.
Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!
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Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!
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Just ran the test with a 1MB file.
Result was 775 kbit/s.
Network is O2 Germany.
Test was done inside a building, that might lower the transfer rate.
That site's not much use - I just got 500k on 3G, then 250k on wifi (on the 1mbyte test).
Testmyiphone 3Mbyte seems fairly consistent, about 1.25mbit, or 2mbit on wifi (lowest performance, best battery setting).
This is Orange btw, in a good signal area.
Orange france HSDPA : 390kbit/sec
Wifi : 1042kbit/sec
Using Opera
377kbit/s, T-Mobile, UK
874 kbit/sec
0.433s latency
9.786s d/l time.
orange uk using internet explorer
Not overly convinced about the speed test site...
runninga 1Mb file test over my wifi (10meg link) to get some benchmarks before trying 3G, I got
test 1: 'too fast - 2.8seconds'
test 2: 272 kbs, 0.195s latency, 30.151s download time
test 3: 261 kbs, 0.154s latency, 31.515s
test 4: 169 kbs, 0.147s latency, 48.552s
all tests run one after another, with only enough time inbetween for me to copy the results into this post.
the file transfer bar at the bottom?
jumps to 350kb ish instantly
600 / 700 in about 2 seconds
950 a few seconds later
950 - 1Mb takes the remaining 20odd seconds.
not convinced...
LOL.
Posted that, then thought - 1 more go...
test 5: 1156kbs, 0.176s latency, 7.259s
sorry, not going to bother trying over 3G
There was the same thread in the Diamond forum.
It turned out that it also depends on what browser you use.
I did my test with Opera. PIE seems to be slower, so if anyone of you ran the test with Internet Explorer, please re-run it with Opera.
3G speeds
DSL reports:
- 1259 kbps, 0,318s latency, 1Mb file
I used HTC HD as a modem, a local FTP server, I suppose I was the only one connecting to that antena:
Download:6.5Mbps using FlashGet. The results are better than the ones taken with Huawei E220 HSDPA modem.
Upload:1.3Mbps using FileZilla
Location : Orange Moldova
818kbit/sec on SFR france
1348 o2 UK
My ADSL connection can do 13Mb download & 1Mb upload, all computers achieve (also on wireless) this using either speedtest.bbmax.co.uk or speedtest.net. However my HD2 can only achieve 3.5-4Mb max using the same sites, upload is represented correctly. It seems to fly up very quickly then back down, for upload it takes a few seconds to check the speed for both sites. I used Opera 10 (Flash Lite 3).
Also on HSDPA it can only do ~0.5Mb but when tested in dongle it achieves ~2.5Mb, upload is represented correctly (1Mb) for both Vodafone and O2.
I've also tried the wireless N hack but this hasn't improved things.
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My ADSL connection can do 13Mb download & 1Mb upload, all computers achieve (also on wireless) this using either speedtest.bbmax.co.uk or speedtest.net. However my HD2 can only achieve 3.5-4Mb max using the same sites, upload is represented correctly. It seems to fly up very quickly then back down, for upload it takes a few seconds to check the speed for both sites. I used Opera 10 (Flash Lite 3).
Also on HSDPA it can only do ~0.5Mb but when tested in dongle it achieves ~2.5Mb, upload is represented correctly (1Mb) for both Vodafone and O2.
I've also tried the wireless N hack but this hasn't improved things.
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There is no solution. HD2 performance on WI-FI are just bad. People don't care. The only justification they can give to this is "it's just a phone". Amen.
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There is no solution. HD2 performance on WI-FI are just bad. People don't care. The only justification they can give to this is "it's just a phone". Amen.
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That sucks, my mates Omnia is also pretty bad on WiFi so I assume this is a WinMo problem?
Also I meant just O2 for 0.5/2.5 HSDPA thing, just checked Vodafone and got 3.5Mb / 1Mb.
Also doesn't the "it's just a phone" thing kinda wear off when you cross the £500 mark?
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That sucks, my mates Omnia is also pretty bad on WiFi so I assume this is a WinMo problem?
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I don't know. Maybe it's WinMo but I don't have other Windows Phones to make comparisons.
Also doesn't the "it's just a phone" thing kinda wear off when you cross the £500 mark?
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I agree but these are the people that appear here when you criticize their toy.
Maybe enabling wifi-n will speed it up. I'd at least give that a try.
Also, I did a test, and I get exactly what I get on my laptop which is 5644kbps
I have been having issues with HSDPA on my HD2 for some time. I am with T-mobile UK... what I have found is that when I hard boot/reflash a new rom... HSDPA is full speed. However something triggers what I can only think is a GPRS only mode, at first I thought I had installed apps that affected networking but I don't believe that is the case now.
Yesterday for example I was in a shielded building and had no reception whatsoever... when I came out I could not connect to T-Mobile data so restarted my HD2 a few times then setup data again.... I am connected now but internet connectivity is really slow, I generally stream music but I can't do this and I may as well forget about YouTube.
I have spoken to T-Mobile about this in the past and they said there are no restrictions on my account. I also know (havng proved it before) that by going through the hassle of a hard reset/new rom flash HSDPA with work again.
I wonder if this is IP related but I am not sure how to check the configuration on Winmo. I also am unsure how/where to do a speedtest (Speedtest.net needs an updated version of flash).
Managed to get it sorted out.... sent the Tmobile settings from the Tmobile website to my phone. Then in my ROM (OMEGA) there is a enable 3G mode.... This seems a bit flaky to be honest... Anyway I selected the new Tmobile internet settings option in Connections, then flicked the 3G setting in connection manager on and off a few times...
In the status bar, rather than "G" and a small "G" with reception meter both show as "H" (this will differ to the rom you have probably).... main thing is streaming is back again
Hello Everybody.
I am new with HTC HD2 1week only. The phone working everything OK, but only the WiFi internet it very slow. I did not configuration any from WiFi yet, just Turn on a wifi and enter ke router home network. When I click open the Opera (V10) display fast but search for another web look like Google.com then it will displaying 1min is it very slow. On my Wife Iphone is it very fast same network router at home.
If someone's to know same as my problem, and how to fixed it please help me. Thank you so much. Have a good day.
Danny
boysanjose said:
Hello Everybody.
I am new with HTC HD2 1week only. The phone working everything OK, but only the WiFi internet it very slow. I did not configuration any from WiFi yet, just Turn on a wifi and enter ke router home network. When I click open the Opera (V10) display fast but search for another web look like Google.com then it will displaying 1min is it very slow. On my Wife Iphone is it very fast same network router at home.
If someone's to know same as my problem, and how to fixed it please help me. Thank you so much. Have a good day.
Danny
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I've generally found 3G to be faster than WiFi and even the ping in some situations on WM phones.
my phone also gets around 2 to 3Mbps on the speed test with the wifi.. 700 or so with hspda and 500 or so with 3g.
isnt this the max rate of the memory card? perhaps the phone itself is slowing down the results?
aarons6 said:
my phone also gets around 2 to 3Mbps on the speed test with the wifi.. 700 or so with hspda and 500 or so with 3g.
isnt this the max rate of the memory card? perhaps the phone itself is slowing down the results?
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3G speed depends heavily on the mast tech level and how many people are using it.
First I apologize if this has been covered in another post - I searched but couldn't find and if so a redirect would be appreciated.
I'm trying to determine just how fast data can be pushed through the phone and I've run into some problems.
I'm trying to use speedtest.net to do this and it was working with the stock ROM but since I've been trying different ROMs (3 of them in fact) I always get the error "Missing License Key" in he Speedtest.net window.
Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
Since that one doesn't work I've been using the Speedtest.net mini. That at least gives me up and download speeds.
But I've also found that whne I connect to the internet with WiFi the speeds are almost slower than a decent H connection.
It's rare that I get over 3 down /1.5 up on a WiFi N connection that has 20+Mbit Comcast connection behind it.
Here I'd just like to confirm if everybody else is seeing the same thing:
What dl/ul speeds are your seeing with your HD2 connected to a fast wireless router?
On the stock ROM it wasn't much higher than the 3G.
Not for me, I usually get 13-14 Mbps down/ 50 kBps (stupid cable upload speeds) up on wifi and around 1.8 Mbps down/ 1.5 Mbps up on HSXPA/UMTS.
I personally have very little faith in the reliability of numbers from speedtest.net
Try testing this way...use IE instead of opera, and go to www.speakeasy.net/speedtest (it wont run in opera but will in IE). When I use that method while connected to my home wifi, I get the exact same speed my desktop gets using the same dsl source (just a hair over 5MB down), which my 3g connection here has yet to match...usually caps out at around 3MB or so.
I've seen the same behaviour as the OP.
My Wi-fi speeds are slower than my HSPA speeds.
I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.
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I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.
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Thx for that tip!
i'll try it out
Thanks everyone for the replys!
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On the stock ROM it wasn't much higher than the 3G.
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Which ROM are you using and how much faster is it? Do you see a large speed difference with a different ROM between a fast WiFi and 3g/h?
The only real difference I noticed between the stock and 3 other ROMS I've installed so far is that I wasted a long time trying to get WiFi working in KAOS but never could. I was able to get a connection but the client never reported an IP address. Turns out the ROM I was using was not specifically for the TMOUS HD2 so maybe that was the cause.
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Not for me, I usually get 13-14 Mbps down/ 50 kBps (stupid cable upload speeds) up on wifi and around 1.8 Mbps down/ 1.5 Mbps up on HSXPA/UMTS.
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My situation is reversed; the cable manages 3mb up on the PC but the 3G/H is almost always much slower on upload than download.
Which ROM are you using?
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..use IE instead of opera, and go to www.speakeasy.net/speedtest ..."
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Thanks, that was an excellent suggestion; I hadn't tried this particular site before and while it uses the same data as speedtest.net it also allows a specific destination and works with IE.
In random testing on WiFi I got around 7-8Mb down, 3 Mb up. While driving around the local area I got 5 bars from two different towers and found an average 1.0Mb dl, 0.8Mb up, and that was pretty constant whether moving or stopped.
I've also noticed in general that the "H" only appears whenever data is actually being transferred (sounds like our back-end hasn't been upgraded). Right now I can get neither the speedtest.net nor the mini version to work - the windows just stay white.
I'll keep trying both of them to compare over the next few weeks but I think the biggest part of the problem is Adobe Flash. There is a reason why Apple doesn't support them and I don't think it's all political like Adobe would have us believe.
I've also done some more experimenting with mobilespeedtest.com as well as general testing over the past few days.
Mobile speed test shows that IE seems to be faster/more stable than Opera - by probably 5 to 20%. While the absolute numbers had alot of variability, Opera was unable to complete the 5 MB and 7 MB tests at all; the browser window just remained blank.
The other thing to throw in here while trying to clean up the phone I found the post about doing a hard reset and that also seemed to help. I don't have any solid data but I would certainly hard reset it again and recommend it to anyone that has changed ROMS much or done a lot of installing/deinstalling of cabs.
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I've seen the same behaviour as the OP.
My Wi-fi speeds are slower than my HSPA speeds.
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By how much roughly? Are you also on the stock ROM?
That certainly jibes with what I found on the stock ROM using speedtest.net.
hbkgabe said:
I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.
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I don't have BSB tweaks installed currently but I performed the WirelessN tweak in the registry. Based on what you've said here I went back and switched it off, did a soft reset, tested and then back on and retested, and found no dramatic difference between any of them. What I found was a lot of variability between the tests in the same setting - even one right after the other. (I would probably do well to review the wireless router settings to see if I can up the data throughput rate.)
To compare I checked a notebook using N located at about the same distance from the router and got speeds a little (5-10%) faster than on the phone (-hardwired into the router I get 25Mbps down). This tells me the phone is as optimized as it's going to be going through my router.
So on the phone I see final scores of about 7-8Mbps down, 2-3 up, with spikes over 10 Mbps down and 4 up during the tests.
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I tried "mobilespeedtest.com" and get around 1100-1300 kbps on wifi and the same or more when wifi off and using t-mobile (with "H" showing, not 3g).
speakeasy/speedtest on wifi 3421 kbps, off wifi , 3569 kbps (3.57mbps)
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By how much roughly? Are you also on the stock ROM?
That certainly jibes with what I found on the stock ROM using speedtest.net.
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No, Not on the Stock ROM.
Like Opera Mini and Skyfire, I think Opera Mobile 10 goes through an external server. One cannot get an accurate speed test that way. Use Opera 9, or better IE, as it works with flash speed tests as well, not only the mobile ones.