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M3100 Reconfigured to T-mobile UK - Slow 3g data ?

Hi Everyone,
I got a Orange M3100 and reconfigured the settings for T-mobile.
Now, I thought I'd get fast 3g data speeds, but I find the data speeds are abit faster than GPRS.
Any ideas of some "Tweaks" or other settings to get faster data speeds ?
Thanks.

Anybody ?
I was also wondering how people on T-mobile (UK) are finding data speeds for browsing and email compared to GPRS ?

If you subscribe to T-Mobile (UK)'s Web n Walk then simply call T-Mobile Customer Services and ask them to activate HSPDA on your account. I have and the speeds are VERY impressive for a mobile phone! :lol:

Thanks for the reply.
I've already done that and it didnt make a blind bit of difference.
Spoke to T-mobile again today and they think its because I haven't got good 3g coverage in my area. I'm not sure if they are telling me the truth or just fobbing me off.
I'm gonna try a couple of other areas (to the North and West of me as advised by T-mobile).
I just wasn't sure if there were any technical reasons that a reconfigured M3100 should have problems with running on T-mobile.
So Is your speed SUBSTANTIALLY faster than GPRS ??

YES. When it works it works very well. I too suffer from time to time with coverage issues but thats to be expected.

The area that I am in has 3g coverage and I can make a 3g video call without a problem.
I'm going to try out a few more areas later on and see if it makes a difference, but I think the coverage in my area is fine.

Pulling about 850k/sec on my m3100 on T-Mobile at the moment in Greenwich..

850k ....... damn ..... Is that Kbytes or Kbits per sec ??

My T-Mobile connected 3100 is getting 871kbit/sec in Central London.
There are a few factors which can make it seem slower:
1. Pocket Internet Explorer is not fast, and it does take a while to render pages.
2. DNS lookups on T-Mob DO seem to be a little slow.
3. If you're using Netfront or Opera and have auto-proxy on, it'll take a while to discover that you don't have a proxy before even beginning to render the page.

What application are you using to check data speed ?

ash99 said:
What application are you using to check data speed ?
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This works from PIE:
http://www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest/
Direct link to speed test here (I have it on bookmarks).
You can find it in the wiki page, under the SetHSDPA section:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils

So ..... what would a good browser to use ???
Also from one of the previous points, I find it does takes AGES to find and then actually open up a page.

Using the speed test above on the TyTN built in Pocket IE I could not get a speed result. But using Opera I just managed 1.2 megabits per second. 1MB file downloaded in 6.9 seconds.
Better than my desktop PC!

Cool. I'll do some tests myself later, but for now I've phoned Oranged, cancelled the upgrade and I've ordered the Vario II on a a new line with T-mobile.
I might as well use a t-mobile phone on t-mobile
Should get it tomorrow.

Got my MDA Vario II Today. I'm giving back a Orange SPV M3100 and in comparison the MDA seems
- a little bit slower, possibly due to additional software loaded by T-mobile
- Damn ugly, Silver, bergundy, black ..... WHY ???
- Buttons are not as good. Smaller red and green buttons.
But .......... life goes on.

battletank said:
2. DNS lookups on T-Mob DO seem to be a little slow.
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Paul at Modaco posted this news item about slow DNS lookups on T-Mobile. His solution was to alter the DNS settings from their default (assign by ISP) to 217.115.138.24 and 83.217.93.246 which he found on OpenNIC.
Please read his article for more details. I have altered the settings on my Tytn (I use T-Mobile) and it does seem better.

Please post your 3G speed test results

Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!

jp7152 said:
Would anyone who has managed to get a HTC Touch HD phone be able to run a speed test and let me know what network, time and location the test was conducted?
www.dslreports.com/mspeed seems like a good place to start
Thanks in advance!
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Just ran the test with a 1MB file.
Result was 775 kbit/s.
Network is O2 Germany.
Test was done inside a building, that might lower the transfer rate.

That site's not much use - I just got 500k on 3G, then 250k on wifi (on the 1mbyte test).
Testmyiphone 3Mbyte seems fairly consistent, about 1.25mbit, or 2mbit on wifi (lowest performance, best battery setting).
This is Orange btw, in a good signal area.

Orange france HSDPA : 390kbit/sec
Wifi : 1042kbit/sec
Using Opera

377kbit/s, T-Mobile, UK

874 kbit/sec
0.433s latency
9.786s d/l time.
orange uk using internet explorer

Not overly convinced about the speed test site...
runninga 1Mb file test over my wifi (10meg link) to get some benchmarks before trying 3G, I got
test 1: 'too fast - 2.8seconds'
test 2: 272 kbs, 0.195s latency, 30.151s download time
test 3: 261 kbs, 0.154s latency, 31.515s
test 4: 169 kbs, 0.147s latency, 48.552s
all tests run one after another, with only enough time inbetween for me to copy the results into this post.
the file transfer bar at the bottom?
jumps to 350kb ish instantly
600 / 700 in about 2 seconds
950 a few seconds later
950 - 1Mb takes the remaining 20odd seconds.
not convinced...
LOL.
Posted that, then thought - 1 more go...
test 5: 1156kbs, 0.176s latency, 7.259s
sorry, not going to bother trying over 3G

There was the same thread in the Diamond forum.
It turned out that it also depends on what browser you use.
I did my test with Opera. PIE seems to be slower, so if anyone of you ran the test with Internet Explorer, please re-run it with Opera.

3G speeds
DSL reports:
- 1259 kbps, 0,318s latency, 1Mb file
I used HTC HD as a modem, a local FTP server, I suppose I was the only one connecting to that antena:
Download:6.5Mbps using FlashGet. The results are better than the ones taken with Huawei E220 HSDPA modem.
Upload:1.3Mbps using FileZilla
Location : Orange Moldova

818kbit/sec on SFR france

1348 o2 UK

HSDPA/GPRS Internet Very Slow

Hi folks, I absolutely love my X1, and am still learning how to use it.
This is the first contract I have had, which has an internet package included, so for the first time, I am experiencing internet on my phone.
I am confused however, as I am sure I read somewhere that the X1 was capable of connection speeds of 7mb/s, whereas I am getting a performance more akin to 56kb/s dialup. Webpages often take 10-20 seconds to load.
I realise that the speed is probably dictated by the network (Vodafone UK in my case), but this is ridiculously slow. Is this normal, or can I tweak my settings in anyway to get something closer to a broadband experience on my phone?
Thanks
Gopes

are you using the pc or the xperia to load the websites? 10-20 sec are quite normal for a full webpage like cnet.de on the xperia. and the theorethical connection speed is 7.2 mbit/s not 7Mb/s!

Heh,
you'll never load a page on 2 seconds, if that's what you ask

"Loading speed" is not equal to "Download speed"
Yes HSDPA can go up to 7,200 kbps or even 14,400 kbps "download speeds"
But many factors have influence on "loading speed": your settings and software (browser, cache, processor speed, plugins...), phone (EDGE, 3g, HSDPA...) AND your provider/carrier's bandwith
If you want to test your REAL "download speed" there are some "download speed meter" web pages around
7,200 kbps is very thoerical. Your operator has the full cake and will never reveeal the real size of the cake (1000 kbps ??)
If every user in your area starts phone-browsing at the same time then your operator's cake will be sliced, thus giving a piece of the cake to everyone

Thanks for the responses. Seems like my phone's internet access speed is normal then
Oh well, I have a 1mbit connection on my pc - but my phone is no way near as quick to open pages as my pc. Maybe the next generation of phones will have a better internet capability.
Thanks
Bcfaigg

bcfaigg said:
Thanks for the responses. Seems like my phone's internet access speed is normal then
Oh well, I have a 1mbit connection on my pc - but my phone is no way near as quick to open pages as my pc. Maybe the next generation of phones will have a better internet capability.
Thanks
Bcfaigg
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Exactly.
However, try also OperaMini, which with a fast connection is really quick.
As for OperaMobile 9.5, remember that your device with 528mHz processor and 120MB of free RAM has to load a page
which is normally operated by the computer which is few times stronger.

I've got a 1.8mbit site 300 metres up the road from me and surfing the web on HSDPA is super fast
Just waiting for Vodafone to upgrade it to a 7.2 (which most likely won't happen for many years).

urrghhh i know about vodafone speeds. Its nothing short of terrible on the X1 and not just cos of voda, its cos the radio is rubbish. I cant upgrade to diamond radio (device locked...) and so I can't ever get more than 2 bars on "H".
Can someone tell me if 3-4 bars with 3G icon is better/worse than 1-2 bars with the H icon?? I'm suspecting the former is faster.
In which case, can I set the phone to connect via 3G all the time and then ignore H connections??

domyue said:
...Can someone tell me if 3-4 bars with 3G icon is better/worse than 1-2 bars with the H icon?? I'm suspecting the former is faster??
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EDGE < 3G < HSDPA (HSDPA is also called "3.5G" by someines)
EDGE MAX: 128 kbps
UMTS 3G MAX: 512 kbps
HSDPA MAX: 14,400 kbps

I managed to download a .net3.5 cab file (2.5mb) in under 5 seconds on my X1 over UK Vodafone HSDPA today

HD2 HSDPA/WiFi speedtest slow

My ADSL connection can do 13Mb download & 1Mb upload, all computers achieve (also on wireless) this using either speedtest.bbmax.co.uk or speedtest.net. However my HD2 can only achieve 3.5-4Mb max using the same sites, upload is represented correctly. It seems to fly up very quickly then back down, for upload it takes a few seconds to check the speed for both sites. I used Opera 10 (Flash Lite 3).
Also on HSDPA it can only do ~0.5Mb but when tested in dongle it achieves ~2.5Mb, upload is represented correctly (1Mb) for both Vodafone and O2.
I've also tried the wireless N hack but this hasn't improved things.

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My ADSL connection can do 13Mb download & 1Mb upload, all computers achieve (also on wireless) this using either speedtest.bbmax.co.uk or speedtest.net. However my HD2 can only achieve 3.5-4Mb max using the same sites, upload is represented correctly. It seems to fly up very quickly then back down, for upload it takes a few seconds to check the speed for both sites. I used Opera 10 (Flash Lite 3).
Also on HSDPA it can only do ~0.5Mb but when tested in dongle it achieves ~2.5Mb, upload is represented correctly (1Mb) for both Vodafone and O2.
I've also tried the wireless N hack but this hasn't improved things.
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There is no solution. HD2 performance on WI-FI are just bad. People don't care. The only justification they can give to this is "it's just a phone". Amen.

mjordan79 said:
There is no solution. HD2 performance on WI-FI are just bad. People don't care. The only justification they can give to this is "it's just a phone". Amen.
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That sucks, my mates Omnia is also pretty bad on WiFi so I assume this is a WinMo problem?
Also I meant just O2 for 0.5/2.5 HSDPA thing, just checked Vodafone and got 3.5Mb / 1Mb.
Also doesn't the "it's just a phone" thing kinda wear off when you cross the £500 mark?

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That sucks, my mates Omnia is also pretty bad on WiFi so I assume this is a WinMo problem?
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I don't know. Maybe it's WinMo but I don't have other Windows Phones to make comparisons.
Also doesn't the "it's just a phone" thing kinda wear off when you cross the £500 mark?
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I agree but these are the people that appear here when you criticize their toy.

Maybe enabling wifi-n will speed it up. I'd at least give that a try.
Also, I did a test, and I get exactly what I get on my laptop which is 5644kbps

I have been having issues with HSDPA on my HD2 for some time. I am with T-mobile UK... what I have found is that when I hard boot/reflash a new rom... HSDPA is full speed. However something triggers what I can only think is a GPRS only mode, at first I thought I had installed apps that affected networking but I don't believe that is the case now.
Yesterday for example I was in a shielded building and had no reception whatsoever... when I came out I could not connect to T-Mobile data so restarted my HD2 a few times then setup data again.... I am connected now but internet connectivity is really slow, I generally stream music but I can't do this and I may as well forget about YouTube.
I have spoken to T-Mobile about this in the past and they said there are no restrictions on my account. I also know (havng proved it before) that by going through the hassle of a hard reset/new rom flash HSDPA with work again.
I wonder if this is IP related but I am not sure how to check the configuration on Winmo. I also am unsure how/where to do a speedtest (Speedtest.net needs an updated version of flash).

Managed to get it sorted out.... sent the Tmobile settings from the Tmobile website to my phone. Then in my ROM (OMEGA) there is a enable 3G mode.... This seems a bit flaky to be honest... Anyway I selected the new Tmobile internet settings option in Connections, then flicked the 3G setting in connection manager on and off a few times...
In the status bar, rather than "G" and a small "G" with reception meter both show as "H" (this will differ to the rom you have probably).... main thing is streaming is back again

Hello Everybody.
I am new with HTC HD2 1week only. The phone working everything OK, but only the WiFi internet it very slow. I did not configuration any from WiFi yet, just Turn on a wifi and enter ke router home network. When I click open the Opera (V10) display fast but search for another web look like Google.com then it will displaying 1min is it very slow. On my Wife Iphone is it very fast same network router at home.
If someone's to know same as my problem, and how to fixed it please help me. Thank you so much. Have a good day.
Danny

boysanjose said:
Hello Everybody.
I am new with HTC HD2 1week only. The phone working everything OK, but only the WiFi internet it very slow. I did not configuration any from WiFi yet, just Turn on a wifi and enter ke router home network. When I click open the Opera (V10) display fast but search for another web look like Google.com then it will displaying 1min is it very slow. On my Wife Iphone is it very fast same network router at home.
If someone's to know same as my problem, and how to fixed it please help me. Thank you so much. Have a good day.
Danny
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I've generally found 3G to be faster than WiFi and even the ping in some situations on WM phones.

my phone also gets around 2 to 3Mbps on the speed test with the wifi.. 700 or so with hspda and 500 or so with 3g.
isnt this the max rate of the memory card? perhaps the phone itself is slowing down the results?

aarons6 said:
my phone also gets around 2 to 3Mbps on the speed test with the wifi.. 700 or so with hspda and 500 or so with 3g.
isnt this the max rate of the memory card? perhaps the phone itself is slowing down the results?
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3G speed depends heavily on the mast tech level and how many people are using it.

speedtest.net, Opera 10 mobile, HD2 is slower on WIFI than on Tmous?

First I apologize if this has been covered in another post - I searched but couldn't find and if so a redirect would be appreciated.
I'm trying to determine just how fast data can be pushed through the phone and I've run into some problems.
I'm trying to use speedtest.net to do this and it was working with the stock ROM but since I've been trying different ROMs (3 of them in fact) I always get the error "Missing License Key" in he Speedtest.net window.
Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
Since that one doesn't work I've been using the Speedtest.net mini. That at least gives me up and download speeds.
But I've also found that whne I connect to the internet with WiFi the speeds are almost slower than a decent H connection.
It's rare that I get over 3 down /1.5 up on a WiFi N connection that has 20+Mbit Comcast connection behind it.
Here I'd just like to confirm if everybody else is seeing the same thing:
What dl/ul speeds are your seeing with your HD2 connected to a fast wireless router?

On the stock ROM it wasn't much higher than the 3G.

Not for me, I usually get 13-14 Mbps down/ 50 kBps (stupid cable upload speeds) up on wifi and around 1.8 Mbps down/ 1.5 Mbps up on HSXPA/UMTS.

I personally have very little faith in the reliability of numbers from speedtest.net
Try testing this way...use IE instead of opera, and go to www.speakeasy.net/speedtest (it wont run in opera but will in IE). When I use that method while connected to my home wifi, I get the exact same speed my desktop gets using the same dsl source (just a hair over 5MB down), which my 3g connection here has yet to match...usually caps out at around 3MB or so.

I've seen the same behaviour as the OP.
My Wi-fi speeds are slower than my HSPA speeds.

I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.

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I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.
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Thx for that tip!
i'll try it out

Thanks everyone for the replys!
jdwrrzmm said:
On the stock ROM it wasn't much higher than the 3G.
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Which ROM are you using and how much faster is it? Do you see a large speed difference with a different ROM between a fast WiFi and 3g/h?
The only real difference I noticed between the stock and 3 other ROMS I've installed so far is that I wasted a long time trying to get WiFi working in KAOS but never could. I was able to get a connection but the client never reported an IP address. Turns out the ROM I was using was not specifically for the TMOUS HD2 so maybe that was the cause.
jubeh said:
Not for me, I usually get 13-14 Mbps down/ 50 kBps (stupid cable upload speeds) up on wifi and around 1.8 Mbps down/ 1.5 Mbps up on HSXPA/UMTS.
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My situation is reversed; the cable manages 3mb up on the PC but the 3G/H is almost always much slower on upload than download.
Which ROM are you using?
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..use IE instead of opera, and go to www.speakeasy.net/speedtest ..."
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Thanks, that was an excellent suggestion; I hadn't tried this particular site before and while it uses the same data as speedtest.net it also allows a specific destination and works with IE.
In random testing on WiFi I got around 7-8Mb down, 3 Mb up. While driving around the local area I got 5 bars from two different towers and found an average 1.0Mb dl, 0.8Mb up, and that was pretty constant whether moving or stopped.
I've also noticed in general that the "H" only appears whenever data is actually being transferred (sounds like our back-end hasn't been upgraded). Right now I can get neither the speedtest.net nor the mini version to work - the windows just stay white.
I'll keep trying both of them to compare over the next few weeks but I think the biggest part of the problem is Adobe Flash. There is a reason why Apple doesn't support them and I don't think it's all political like Adobe would have us believe.
I've also done some more experimenting with mobilespeedtest.com as well as general testing over the past few days.
Mobile speed test shows that IE seems to be faster/more stable than Opera - by probably 5 to 20%. While the absolute numbers had alot of variability, Opera was unable to complete the 5 MB and 7 MB tests at all; the browser window just remained blank.
The other thing to throw in here while trying to clean up the phone I found the post about doing a hard reset and that also seemed to help. I don't have any solid data but I would certainly hard reset it again and recommend it to anyone that has changed ROMS much or done a lot of installing/deinstalling of cabs.
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I've seen the same behaviour as the OP.
My Wi-fi speeds are slower than my HSPA speeds.
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By how much roughly? Are you also on the stock ROM?
That certainly jibes with what I found on the stock ROM using speedtest.net.
hbkgabe said:
I had same issue as well. I had bsb tweaks installed. I disabled the wifi n tweak. after that both my 3g and wifi speeds went up. Re-enabled the tweak to see if speeds would be reduced and this time only the wifi speeds increased again. tweak must of been causing some sort of issue with the 3g and wifi speeds. Try disabling it, soft reset and than re-enable the tweak. Hopefully it works for you as it did for me.
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I don't have BSB tweaks installed currently but I performed the WirelessN tweak in the registry. Based on what you've said here I went back and switched it off, did a soft reset, tested and then back on and retested, and found no dramatic difference between any of them. What I found was a lot of variability between the tests in the same setting - even one right after the other. (I would probably do well to review the wireless router settings to see if I can up the data throughput rate.)
To compare I checked a notebook using N located at about the same distance from the router and got speeds a little (5-10%) faster than on the phone (-hardwired into the router I get 25Mbps down). This tells me the phone is as optimized as it's going to be going through my router.
So on the phone I see final scores of about 7-8Mbps down, 2-3 up, with spikes over 10 Mbps down and 4 up during the tests.

Deeted - error post

I tried "mobilespeedtest.com" and get around 1100-1300 kbps on wifi and the same or more when wifi off and using t-mobile (with "H" showing, not 3g).
speakeasy/speedtest on wifi 3421 kbps, off wifi , 3569 kbps (3.57mbps)

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By how much roughly? Are you also on the stock ROM?
That certainly jibes with what I found on the stock ROM using speedtest.net.
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No, Not on the Stock ROM.

Like Opera Mini and Skyfire, I think Opera Mobile 10 goes through an external server. One cannot get an accurate speed test that way. Use Opera 9, or better IE, as it works with flash speed tests as well, not only the mobile ones.