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I am soon to buy the Magician in one of it's many forms. However noe thing i have been woundering is how am i am going to achieve the in-car setup i desire. Basically I need both a carkit (conversation through car stereo speakers etc) and i also want to run GPS navigation on the Magician. First of all is this possible? What happens if i am using the GPS and i recieve a call? Also what hardware are people using to achieve this as i assume i can't use both a bluetooth carkit and a bluetooth GPS reciever?! any hlp is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom
Hi Tom,
I've got an iMate Jam & recently installed a Parrot BTluetooth CK3300 GPS Car Kit into my 1999 RAV4. The installation was pretty straight forward for cars with ISO connection, simply put in the mic, GPS ant & control display, plug into the car harness & HiFi & off you go. The GPS part of the kit is simply & effective, I use Tom Tom Navigator 5 & it's pretty faultless, obtaining a fix in seconds. Here's the bad part, the call quality through the kit using the Jam is AWFUL. Making and receiving calls is accompanied by a loud, high pitched warbling sound which eventually subsides, but is replaced by so much interference that the call is unworkable. I know it's not the kit because my wife's SE T68i works flawlessly. Everything else about the setup works perfectly (pairing muting, upgrading via BT etc etc). This a MAJOR problem which I have sent on to Parrot & am waiting for a reply. I understand they are pretty good at customer enquiries and expect them to come back to me pretty soon. I'll post again when I hear something. Despite all the bad press the Jam gets I think it's the best one I've owned so far (I'm on my 5th) and with the right software is excellent, but the choice of car kit is essential, until these problems are ironed out I wouldn't recommend using the PDA with a BT carkit.
Apart from the poor audio, how does it work when you are being navigated by TomTom and you receive a call? Does TomTom stop talking to you? Does the display show who's calling and then go back to tomtom display etc?
Hi there,
I have a MDA compact with now the QTEK 1.12 ROM, I have a bluetooth GPS Fortuna Clip-on and a Mr Handsfree Genius Bluetooth Carkit and I love it.
As soon as I start my car, there is a bluetooth connection to the carkit and the sound quality is excellent. You can make a call without getting the MDA out of your pocket, just push the button. The only issue is voice dialing, but that is a common problem for the MDA.
Also it makes a bluetooth connection to the GPS and Tomtom works fine. The only minus is that Tomtom doesn't use the carkit speaker, but, since the speaker of the MDA is loud enough, that is no issue. There is no supply with this bluetooth carkit, so I bought a 12 --> 5 Volt converter for the MDA.
I really love this combination. The best thing, that happened to me.
Andre
Hi there,
I have a MDA compact with now the QTEK 1.12 ROM, I have a bluetooth GPS Fortuna Clip-on and a Mr Handsfree Genius Bluetooth Carkit and I love it.
As soon as I start my car, there is a bluetooth connection to the carkit and the sound quality is excellent. You can make a call without getting the MDA out of your pocket, just push the button. The only issue is voice dialing, but that is a common problem for the MDA.
Also it makes a bluetooth connection to the GPS and Tomtom works fine. The only minus is that Tomtom doesn't use the carkit speaker, but, since the speaker of the MDA is loud enough, that is no issue. There is no supply with this bluetooth carkit, so I bought a 12 --> 5 Volt converter for the MDA.
I really love this combination. The best thing, that happened to me.
Andre
so it is possible then to have two bluetooth connections running at the same time? ie. i can use a bluetooth GPS reciever such as the one that is supplied with tom tom and also use any bluetooth carkit at the same time? and this will not cause any problems even if i am making a call and have the GPS running?! If so then i will probably just buy the Tom Tom 5 bluetooth kit and get something like a parrot CK3000? would this setup work?
thanks for everyones help,
Tom
It should work. Mine does. See above. Bluetooth GPS uses a serial profile, bluetooth headset uses a headset profile. No problem to use them both at the same time.
Andre
I used my Jam as phone, mp3 player and GPS all at the same time.
1. MP3 thru my car's aux input
2. GPS thru aux input:
hardware: Tomtom BT receiver
Software: Routis 2, TomTom USA 2004 (can open both if U use GPSGate)
3. Phone thru BT headset or aux input
To answer yr question:
Since I can use both BT GPS and BT headset together. I don't think it's a problem for both BT carkit and BT GPS to works.
Phone call always get highest prioity, all other apps (GPS software, mp3 player) will be mute until U finished yr call.
Phone call is not a problem (see above) but dialing is a big trouble since no voice calling built-in. Third partner software like intellidialer and voice commander (from MS or Cyberon) helps a bit
Ive also got my jam working fine incar. I use a socket bluetooth gps unit http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=119717 with tomtom 5 then I have a SE HBH-600 Akono Bluetooth Headset for calls both work together! When I have a incoming call it mutes tomtom and displays the normal caller id app on top, answering the call (via the green hardware button) results in my jam going to the phone app totally and leaving tomtom minimized in the background. As soon as the call ends tomtom jumps back to the foreground, it all works very well in my opinion. Ive also assigned the camera button to switch me back to the today screen so I can launch any app (with tomtom still running in the background) via a icon.
Hi everybody,
I completed some tests using my bluetooth car kit (Audi integrated BT MMI car kit). Here is what I saw :
With the original french ROM (1.18.256.2)
Outgoing calls
90% of the calls were interrupted during dialing or connection. The main problem was UMTS stability with the french mobile operator named SFR. After deactivating UMTS/3G and falling back to GSM, 80% of the calls were interrupted during the first minute of communication because of BT unstability.
Incoming calls
Impossible to take a call : half were immediatly interrupted, half were answered using the internal micro instead of the BT one.
With the JasJam ROM (1.20.305.3)
Outgoing calls
After deactivating UMTS/3G support all the calls are stable. Every thing is working fine and the Audi BT car kit works just fine !
Incoming calls
Still impossible to take a call : quite all are not well handled. BT is still unusable to take calls.
I don't think the BT car kit is the problem, because I am using it every day with a Qtek 8310 (Tornado) and both incoming and outgoing calls are well handled.
If you've got some experience, please share it. I am so disapointed that this marvelous TyTN cannot replace my Tornado, only because this "merdique" (<------ french romantic word ) bluetooth functionnality is not working ! :evil:
Arnaud.
Hi Arnaud,
I too have problems - see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=61594
Paul
Im also having problems with carkit.
Jasjam and kjam just dont connect with my carkit (while they pair with it) but Jasjam and all nokia / samsung phones work perfectly well with it. Even Palm treo 650 works.
Is this a problem with iMate sets or with Windows Mobile 5.0?
I've had a friend who also has a TyTN which we tried in my kit and it didn't work. It seems that users with other variants (e.g. Orange) don't have this issue?
Further (non-technical) tests have shown that if you answer or make a call, you can get the audio by going into the call menu and choosing "Turn handsfree off". My uneducated guess here is that there is some issue with the headset feature on the TyTN and by doing this, it resets the headset profile and bingo!
It is a pain in the ar$e doing this for inbound calls, but for outbound it is manageable - you simply dial the number and whilst it is connecting, do the menu->Turn handsfree off workaround. Hopefully the new ROM will fix it - when it arrives!!
Hi All,
Just to put in my experience.
I have an Audi A4 with a Gen II car kit. As there is no handset holder for the TyTn I am using the Bluetooth function.
I have the Orange SPV M3100 variant, which works absolutley fine with the Audi Bluetooth, with one problem....
As I don't yet have a car charger, when the phone goes into sleep mode, it appears to disable bluetooh (I occasionally get a 'BT OFF' signal on the car display). Switching off bluetooth, then switching on again on the phone tends to kick it back into life where it stays live for another ten minutes or so until the phone dozes off again..
I have heard of a few people who have also diagnosed the problem as possbily the phone going to sleep to conserve battery, and solved the problem with an in car charger. I will report back when I have a charger.
Again, I do not suspect the Audi car kit as I have previoulsy used this (on Bluetooth) with a Nokia 6230 and MDA Vario, with no problems at all (the Vario was externally powered from the car).
Maybe you TyTn owners can flash to the Orange ROM ;-)
Same Scenario Different Cast
I have a Lexus GS with BT.... here's my Undesired results
actually, the only Problem i am having is very annoying.
If i receive or make a call after i pair with the Car kit, EVERY Thing is fine,
The sound quality is good, the response time is good (no Delay).
BUT after that call is ended, the BT itself on the jasjam TURNS off...
so i have to turn the BT on After EVERY Single Call (either made or received)
Is this Normal, I don't think so, but i had to ask
I have the Original Ship ROM Arabic version
My BMW handsfree works just fine with my TyTN. No issues other than an occasional BT off (loss of pairing). Interestingly, it's not sleep mode related since it usually works just fine in that mode. Generally, disabling Bt then re-enabling it re-establishes the connection then all is well. I have no issues making or receiving calls.
No doubt CarKit issues will be addressed when HTC releases their ROM update. Recent information tells me that this update is pretty much guaranteed to be an AKU3.0 variant. There's a tremendous amount of BT stack improvements in this AKU that should improve this as well as A2DP bluetooth issues.
.. No issues other than an occasional BT off (loss of pairing). ..
Interesting! I have the same issue with MTeoR.. I wonder if MteoR and TyTn are based on the same HTC device PLATFORM.
Updated my Parrot CK3100 to the newest version and things still don't work too well. When I start a call on the Parrot it takes around 20 seconds to start dialing on the phone, and when I receive a call I have to pick it up, place it on hold, and retrieve from hold to be able to hear the other side.
I wonder what/why they changed in the Bluetooth stack, it worked perfectly on my Wizard...
Renault Laguna II integrated BT kit
Works OK with my Laguna system except for the signal strength indicator. It appears that this information is not sent or translated onto the screen in the car.... Calls are fine though, and I noticed that the car rings immediately, the moment the phone does. Could be because the TyTN has the "turbo lag" explained in another thread tho
Cheers
rmorby said:
Works OK with my Laguna system except for the signal strength indicator. It appears that this information is not sent or translated onto the screen in the car.... Calls are fine though, and I noticed that the car rings immediately, the moment the phone does. Could be because the TyTN has the "turbo lag" explained in another thread tho
Cheers
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Try installing Jetware mobile extender, that adds signal and battery bars as well as network name.
I enabled Remote SIM Acces in the Bluetooth Menu and now my contacts sync on my Audi Bluetooth Car kit with WM 6.1.
Hi,
I have a Vodafone P3600 which I had unlocked and flashed to test both HTC WM5 and Faman WM6 3.3 and 3.4. I have a problem using it with my Parrot CK3100, and it's the following: devices pair perfectly, but when I leave my car and then return, most of times P3600 does not connect with handsfree. Sometimes, it does connect, but after a long time. This occurs with any OS version I have tested.
A problem with CK3100 is discarded because I have flashed it with latest software version, and it was tested with a HP RW6815.
I tried disabling power saving, setting bluetooth as discoverable, installing Jetware, but nothing made it work as it should.
I'm near to sell my P3600 and buy a new HTC Touch only to solve this problem, because I need much a handsfree working in my car.
Can any of you give a hint of what the problem could be?
Thanks.
I forgot to say that if I power on my HTC, it always connect to the Parrot. But when it's in standby sometimes connects and others no.
I have an SonyEricsson HBH-DS200 and this works unfortunately with the P3600 also in a from you described way. I tryed AWE and PDAVIET and also AX3L ROMs.
Other points and problems with BT HandsFree are:
1.) A litle icon to show that the BT HansFree is connected will be showed in the status only after the first paaring. After that, nothing shows you, that the BT HansFree is connected (and therefor can be used) or not.
2.) After a phone call the BT HandsFree will be disconnected.That meanns, that I can not hear the phone ring in the earpice. I only hear it from the P3600. I have 2 choises after that:
a.) If I push te Answer button on the P3600, the voice is on the P3600.
b.) If I push the Answer button on the BT HansFree then the voice is on the BT HansFree (but it will be disconnected after the call).
3.) The volume can not be changed if I use the BT HandsFree. That means, the volume slide bar can be moved/changed, but this has no effect to the volume in the BT HansFree.
In my opinion if the paaring is done and the BT HandsFree is switched on it should be always:
- connected
- an icon in the status line appear
- the voice in the BT HandsFree - independent if the answer button is pushed on the phone or on the BT HandsFree
For me is the BT HandsFree very imortant, and I am a litle bit disappointed, that a device for 500 Eur works that buggy with a technology that is almost 10 year old.
Hi guys,
I've been scouring the web for a number of days now with no success. Was wondering if anyone is experiencing the same problem and if anyone knows if this can be fixed.
I have a HTC P3600i, with ROM 3.00.707.18 (latest ENG ROM I could find) and have been using a Jabra BT8010 (firmware 1.33) for some months with no problems on A2DP or Handsfree (even switching back and forth is ok).
Have just got myself a new Dell BH200 stereo BT headset (for better bass) and while A2DP is working pretty fine (very nice), I'm finding that I can't use the headset for incoming or outgoing calls at all.
Everytime I try doing calls, the headset icon on the phone screen disappears after 5 or so seconds, and the headset itself switches off right after.
Am hoping someone can point me to the right direction, thanks..
Well two years later
I own a Dopod C730 and lo and behold I bought a Dell BH200 and I have the exact problem descibed above. I have the latest rom and I have tried reseting the smartphone all for naught.
Well I hope someone has figured this one out at some point or else I am going to be disappointed in my new Christmas gift
Well, I gave up and sold off my BH200 already. Am back to using the Jabra BT8010.
same problem here with my HTC Touch (3452). It's really frustrating to have to remove the headset every time u have to take a call. did anyone fimd a solution to this?
an123 said:
same problem here with my HTC Touch (3452). It's really frustrating to have to remove the headset every time u have to take a call. did anyone fimd a solution to this?
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I am not using touch. Mine is Asus P535. WM6
Do double pairing. 2 diffrent mode
1) Hi Fi Stereo
2) Hands free
Music would mute when the call is recieved. When you end the call the music comes back.
myc said:
Mine is Asus P535. WM6. Do double pairing. 2 diffrent mode
1) Hi Fi Stereo
2) Hands free
Music would mute when the call is recieved. When you end the call the music comes back.
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This didn't work for me at all, on my HTC P3600i with the Dell BH200 headset. Pairing was ok, but as soon as there was an incoming call, the Dell headset would ring, and then silence.. I'd also notice that the headset icon on my phone would disappear and the headset itself would turn off.
My Jabra BT8010 headset, on the other hand, paired just fine as both handsfree and wireless stereo device. In fact, I've ditched the BH200 and am using the BT8010 till now.
Well how come i aint see this thread . Ok now BH200 works fine and it has no issues ( as you guys should understand if it works with ASUS , NOKIA , SAMSUNG phone ).The problem is HTC's coding . It doesnt support AVRPS, thats the service which is necesary for Phone to switch to calls when received and switch back to music. Now jabra uses a different technology ... But you will have to compramise on the quality of music in BH200
( its awesome ) and more over it looks like a music head set any ways .
damn! is there any workaround? or is AVRPS hardware specific? after A2DP and AVRCP, no we have another acronym to add to the lexicon
Same problem here, tested BH200 with Universal WM6 and Touch HD, headphones switch off seemingly when they receive handsfree request.
Tested them with WM5, lo and behold, it worked. Now I wonder - how come that they work with WM5 BT stack and not with WM6? Any ideas?
Well, from what I gather, at least the good news is that AVRPS is not hardware-specific... so there should be a suitable workaround to this problem for anyone using WM6.
I bought my pair of Dell BH-200 headphones yesterday and while I'm absolutely thrilled by the perfect (at this price) sound quality when playing music, I'm rather annoyed by the fact that I have to take off my headphones every time I want to receive a call. After all, that's what a headset is for, right!?
In any case, here are the specs of my phone:
HTC Touch Elfin P3452, running an up-to-date Windows Mobile 6.1 (Onyx ROM)
I'm considering upgrading to Windows Mobile 6.5 these days to see if that would do the trick... has anyone of you guys tried the Dell headphones' headset compatibility when running WM 6.5? Going back to WM5 is definitely not a option, since I didn't quite enjoy the looks & ergonomics of that OS...
P.S.: Upgrading to WM 6.5 didn't do the trick, unfortunately So I'm pretty much stuck and I don't want to return the headphones since I really enjoy them, of course once I ignore how they don't actually function as a proper headset... Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I just found this fix for the situation:
http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/...s/thread/368efd50-ce24-453a-a31c-e6747c698082
Try setting the registry value:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\AudioGateway\UseESCO = DWORD:0
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The best part is, it seems to be actually working (I'm with Touch HD with Win 6.1).
Hey Folks,
I have been reading some posts here about BT and/or BT Mute problems, but my issues seems to be a bit different, plust I didn't have it 1-2 Months ago, so I think it might be ROM/Radio upgrade related ...
Right now I am running udK Diamond R8 which works perfectly fine in general.
I got my phone hooked up via BT to my car BT handsfree (it's a Peugeot 207cc which uses some Parrot BT stuff I think). This used to work perfectly fine when I first started using the polaris in the car. I don't remember when the problem started to appear, but now, when I receive and accept an incoming call, it takes 4-5 seconds, till the polaris switches audio to handsfree, meaning after accepting the call, I can't hear the other party on my car speakers ... but I can hear sound from the regular polaris speaker, very quietly of course.
After those 4-5 seconds, everything is fine and the call is switched to the car handsfree set.
The BT connection to the car set is fine all the time ... no problems connecting or pairing.
Anyone experiencing similiar issues?
boba
Hi,
I have exactly the same problem with my C4 BT handsfree system (Parrot BT components) for some months ago. I have had a look at a lot of forum, but no answer and no solution.
Some days ago, I flash my HTC Polariswith the original WM6.1 Fre, but no improvement. I still have the same problem, 4/5 seconds before hearing the caller.
(PS : sorry for my poor english )
Bemi
Same for me, it worked fine before with the original ROM
ROM : 1.25.406.1 FRE dated 12/12/07
Radio : 1.58.21.23
Protocole : 25.65.30.04H
It happened suddenly.
I tryed a lot of modifications in the register, but no improvement.
I hoped to resolv this problem with the new original WM6.1 but no improvement.
Next week, Citroen will change the radio (it stops working many time a day).
I hope this will resolv the problem.
Bemi
I don't know excatelly the model, but it's the one with Bi-Tuner, BT, MP3 and without Navidrive.
Bemi
Same for me "and without Navidrive"
Probably the RD4
Bemi
Today, I tried several other mobiles (Samsung, Sony-Ericson, Eten, Alcatel) for my problem of delay with incoming calls.
All of them work properly and, as soon as I receive and accept an incoming call, the sound switches directly to the handsfree of the car.
So, what is the problem with my HTC Cruise ?
Any idea ?
Bemi
i'm having the same problem with a Sony DR-BT20NX headset
It has been working earlier.
But now , on incoming calls , the phone ring and later i ear a little signal in the bluetooth headset.
To accept the call , i've to use phone buttons ) .
The sound comes out the phone .I've to speak in the phone.
Otherwise i can listen music with the BT headset and make outgoing calls.
Rom : M-Amine 2.FRE
Radio : 1.59.42.15
( same problems with PDA viet Rom's V33 à V35 )
I don't remember if i've the problem since i've upgraded to radio 1.59.42.15 , sorry
Never had answers on differents forums ..
BT Joined Stereo
install advance config tool v3.3
go to BT setting
verify that your option is Joined stereo and not mono
I'm using udK Diamond R8. I had a lot of problems with my Parrot ck3100 carkit. It was finally resolved by installing the Murata 1.58.21.23 radio. With the for R8 recommended radio I had bad GSM reception, BT connection failure, random BT mute, Parrot displaying the call would continue when I in fact hang up etc.
Hi,
No change with Advanced Config Tools V3.3
Bemi
I have a different BT problem.
i am currently running Touch-IT m2d Beta. but i have always had this problem, even on the original official rom.
i pair my phone with a JVC KD-BT1 CD Head Unit in the car.
i sent this to HTC support (before i started flashing new roms to my cruise):
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HTC Touch Cruise. rom: 1.26.710.1 wwe radio: 1.58.21.23 protocol: 25.65.30.04h. bluetooth problem. when i have BT enabled on the htc, i get in the car and it pairs with my audio system. after i make the first call it disconnects (stops pairing) after the call is finished and then after 60 seconds, it pairs up again and i can make a call again. this happens after every call. i had a nokia and i-mate jasjam before with no problems whatsoever. any patch or update available?
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AND THIS WAS THEIR REPLY:
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Bluetooth should be universal or is marketed as universal although it is far from the truth. Certain chipsets conflict or are incompatible with others. If a device is not fully compatible it will not offer all features or possibly not connect at all. I have included the below for current tested devices.
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I DON'T think this is going to be fixed any time soon, so i'll live with it!
Hi every body.
I've got the same problem.
A Cruise Rev B, and a BT car's Kit (included in a peugeot, I thing a RD4/parrot stuff)
Actually my first call is ok, and then, heads phones are cutted (sometimes after 3 or 4 seconds), but my microphone still works.
My car's BT is still paired, and sometimes indicates that I'm still phoning, even if I've cutted it on my phone.
I'm happy to find some user's in the same "panade" than me, but I hope we will find a solution...
Who knows how it works and communicate?
It has to be radio problem.
Originally I had WM 6.0 Pro on my Polaris, and BT was working flawlessly.
Then I was stupid enough to upgrade to 6.1 WWE, and now I have all kind of trouble with BT connectivity. Downgrading back to 6.0 DID NOT help!
InSomNiaK said:
A Cruise Rev B, and a BT car's Kit (included in a peugeot, I thing a RD4/parrot stuff)
Actually my first call is ok, and then, heads phones are cutted (sometimes after 3 or 4 seconds), but my microphone still works.
My car's BT is still paired, and sometimes indicates that I'm still phoning, even if I've cutted it on my phone.
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I have exactly the same problem, based on a slightly different configuration:
My car is a Citroen (with the RD4/parrot factory built in BT)...
My phone is a HTC TyTNII.... with WM6 I couldnt even pair the phone, so I upgraded to WM6.1
Actually I had to drive to the workshop to cut the power on the car, because the parrot BT unit wouldnt stop even tho my phone was off in the meantime.
I start to believe this is not a problem caused by my phone, but a fault SW version on the parrot unit.
I have pioneer deh-p7000bt and it works flawlessly with my polaris in handsfree and a2dp mode.
to have better quality i have to turn srs wow hd off.
in advanced config i set:
-use joint stereo: no
-bitpool: very high
-max bitpool: 64
-min bitpool: 32
-sample rate: 44100
-audio getaway: enabled
Is there anyone who solved this problem yet? I have the exact same problem. When someone calls me, I cannot hear the other party through my car speakers (Citroën C5 newest model without navidrive)
I just tried http://www.jetwaremobile.com/ and this seemed to solve my problems. I had to restart my TC after installing this and removed the relationship in my car. After I made a new relationship (pairing) everything seems to work fine. If this changes I'll let you know.
I am having the same trouble, which started after upgrading to WM 6.1. Am I right in understanding that the Bluetooth is controlled by the Radio ROM and if so is it possible to downgrade just the Radio ROM? I think mine originally came with 1.58.25.14 and the upgrade replaced it with 1.59.42.15, is there a procedure to do this, and has anyone had any success.
Sorry had a search and found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381600 which shows how to install just radio ROM, am just unclear as to whether you need to install Hard-SPL first as it is an official ROM and as to if changing radio clears all personal data from the phone.
I use to have a similar problem with the 4-5 second delay. i found that once the car is paired up with the phone, i ran bluetooth audio toggle, or other bluetooth audio program which makes all audio go through the vehicle all the time, including GPS navigation. This way when the phone rings, the ringtone can be heard through the speaker and when you answer it will be instantanious....... in theory.......... i mean, it worked for me anyway....
Then all you have to do is find some way to auto run the toggle everytime you pair your device to the vehicle...