Hi, over a year ago I bought a copy of MS Voice Command on my XDA2. I struggled to get it to work effeciently/consistently enough, and I felt I couldn't quite get the right accent
Anyway, I kinda like the software but it was hit and miss if it picked it up.
Now the jasjar comes with a voice recognition software, preloaded, which I think works very well, using voice tags.
I do not believe though it will call out appointment details though or reminders etc, which I know MS VC will.
I note from the MS website that u can upgrade for free, so I was wondering if peeps think it is a worthwhile app to load. Is the newer version any better than the old version.
I value all comments about using MS Voice Command on jasjar.
Cheers, Numb
Running it on my jasjar. You can hack it to start recognising when you hit your BT headset button (search for posts by me and you'll find the instructions).
You need V1.5 to work properly and you will have to muck about a bit as the installer doesn't seem to like AS4.
Great piece of software though.
V1.5 is a big improvement on V1.0. The version notes actually mention improvements that were made specifically for PPC PE devices. I have found it now to be 95% accurate, whereas with V1.0, i would generally have to repeat commands most of the time. Good luck with it!
Regards
Chris
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well I have messed around with this for nearly 2.5 hours trying to load v1.5 on the jasjar with no success. I either don't have 1.0 installed or an older version is installed on the phone. Now am really frustrated.
Flipping heck how frstrating
Cheers, Numb
It causes mucho bugs
I would definietly avoid it, it will kill your skype, and slow the machine down. wait for wm5 fixes
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well as I can't even load it I think I will have to wait for the WM5 version. Knowing my luck though MS will probably charge for this upgrade. I just feel that if VC was working well on the device, it would be perfect :lol: :lol:
Cheers, Numb
I was able to install MS Voice Command 1.5 by first running the installer, then grabbing the CAB file from the program files directory on the PC, copying it over to the JJ, then executing the CAB on the JJ. Still working on getting it to work over BT.
Good luck!
Sampsons WM5 rom for Titan runs better than WM6 (read on)
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=10780
Checkout the WM5 fallback ROM for the Mogul. It replaces the messed up Oct 27th rubbish, fixes the Memory leak (or WM6 crappy mem manager) and leaves you with 20-28 megs free on bootup (based on what you install), does not end up having memory issues with Picsel browser (PPCGeeks version), Removes all the junk that Sprint installs, 189 Megs free after ROM install. Pocket Explorer works (a little wonky as the Active X controls seem to be dated comapared to WM6). Here is the file on Megaupload....
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E6VQ9GKP
I used the ROM Unlocker from XDA forum for the Mogul before installing this ROM. I have better battery life, more memory, less hangups.
Try at your own risk. Also works well with Touch Commander ($15 retail) http://www.touch-commander.com/
Use Touch Commander with Sampsons WM5 Rom on Mogul
If you are torn between the Mogul and the HTC Touch try this fix.....
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Download the Sampson Rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341977)
and Touch Commander ($15 retail at http://www.touch-commander.com/)
I am getting 22 Megs free and with Touch Commander running 16-17 Megs free. No out of memory issues and the memory stays stable all day. Unless HTC worked a miracle with WM6 or downgraded the Touch to WM5 you will have memory issues with the HTC Touch.
Also able to run memory intensive apps like Picsel (PPCGeeks version ftp://ppcgeeks:[email protected] )
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ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
In all honesty, WM5 may run smoother on the titan, but you DO give up some things that WM6 offers that may be important to some people. The touch has those things, WM5 does not.
Also, why spend money on a touchflo clone when there are free ones that are being developed? Some of them work VERY well, and are always adding new features... and work with WM5 OR WM6.
And one final thought-
even if your PPC runs smoothly and has a touch interface clone, it won't be as smooth as the actual touch.
Why?
Because the TouchFlo relies on the physical shape of the screen to work: The sensitivity of the touch pad actually reaches below the viewable area. You start your finger below the screen, and move it toward the top. This brings up your shortcuts.
All of the other Pocket PC's out there are touch sensitive only over the viewable screen. This means that it is very easy to set off the down-up motion by accident. I've used a few of them with FTouchFlo, and when I'm scrolling through a list with my finger, it usually accidentally triggers the shortcut menu. The cube programs are a novelty, perhaps useful with the right hardware (The Touch), but otherwise this is hardly a "as good as" solution.
If you can create a rom that doesn't accidentally trigger the touch commands and runs WM6, then we'd have something to talk about...
Dishe said:
ummm... or use DCD's clean WM6 which gives you only 27Mb (GASP! a meg difference!), but keeps all the goodness of WM6.
Its faster than the stock Alltel or Sprint WM6 ROM, and unlike Samson's rom, it includes Office, the WM6 visual changes, a working IE (with the proper user agent ID) and the much needed A2DP support that WM5 had trouble with (surprised more people haven't mentioned that setback going back to WM5... this is why I was waiting for WM6 in the first place!).
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Is there a link anywhere for the DCD clean WM6 ROM?
Doug
check the flashing tutorial over at ppcgeeks.
Some really great guy wrote it, and has all you need to know.
Hello everyone.
This is my first post. Actually, I added this as a reply on a thread but it's so long and covers so many areas I thought I'd create a new thread from it, if that is ok.
Here are some answers to people's questions on various threads about the 614c ROM images, and my comments particularly on the various ROMs out there.
Here's a link to the latest WM6.1 ROM from a Russian gentleman yevg001 who creates them.
Here's a link to the latest hp official WM6.0 ROM.
1) Yes, you can flash to yevg001 israpda WM6.1 ROMs and then back to the hp WM6.0 ROM from the hp website as often as you like. Flashing from an SD card (not SDHC) has worked reliably several times on my three 614c phones, and flashing using the hp software also works fine (it's much slower because it loads the ROM down a USB cable).
2) The big difference between the yevg001 ROM and the hp ROM is that the hp ROM contains an update to the device firmware, to v0.88 (the latest version). This is of interest if you still have firmware v0.77 (the previous and originally released version). The yevg001 ROMs do not affect your firmware version.
3) If you apply the hp ROM, you cannot get back to v0.77 firmware - I don't think the hp installer will downgrade you, even if you have an old hp ROM image.
4) Why might you want to downgrade to v0.77 device firmware? Because v0.88, while better in numerous ways, has one critical defect: it does not properly support call waiting. When a second call is received (and you hear the beeps in your ear), the active call is affected in that the person you are talking to cannot hear you - and usually hangs up because he/she things you have lost the line. It's very annoying. Other than this, the firmware is better and more stable, due to various minor bug fixes. Fewer missed calls, fewer crashes.
5) Ok, putting aside device firmware and thinking of software... the latest yevg001 ROM is based on hp software image 1.01.04, the latest image at time of writing. yevg001 has also added a few little software applets into the image, but you don't need to use any of these. Obviously, you cannot uninstall them as they are in the ROM, but they also therefore don't take up any usable space.
6) The touchFLO interface is optional. You can easily deactivate it. It looks quite pretty but I have to say I don't like it, so I've deactivated it just by unchecking it in Today settings.
7) The yevg001 WM 6.1 build (I'm using his v1.6) is very good. I have only noticed one major problem with it. The phone is faster than ever before (and I've tried a lot of ROMs). It is quite stable - a couple of crashes but not noticeably more than the hp ROM. The WM6.1 ROM is entirely in English (with the exception that Yevgeny has added in Russian T9 support - not much use without Russian character set). English T9 works as normal.
8) I have also noticed improved battery life. With the latest hp 1.01.04 WM6.0 ROM, I usually get through four fully charged batteries in 24 hours. With the yevg001 v1.6 WM 6.1 ROM, I only get through three. Yes, I'm quite a heavy user but this is a good improvement.
9) The major problem I mentioned in point 7, which won't affect everyone, is that yevg001's ROM does not allow concurrent voice and data usage on a 3G or HSDPA network. How bad is that? Not all 3G phones support this and it is one of the best features of the 614c... My guess is that yevg001 does not even realise this because there is no (or nearly no) 3G in Russia - at least there wasn't last time I was in Moscow in April/May. Basically, if you have any data connection active at the time you place or receive a call, the phone just abruptly drops the data connection. It re-establishes it fine after your call, but no concurrent usage. **If any Russian forum user is reading this, please could you post to yevg001 and ask him if he can address this?**
10) Other experiences based on my regular usage:
a) Bluetooth works fine, neither better nor worse than the standard HP build. I use several BT headsets for calls and also listen to music using A2DP. The A2DP connection seems more stable under WM6.1. In general on the 614c the BT sound level is too low, it does seems a bit lower still with the yevg001 ROM but it was a problem already.
b) Wi-fi works fine, no problems at all with b or g networks.
c) The PIE browser seems to have been slightly improved under WM6.1.
d) The threaded SMS is fantastic! And better than the iphone too because it allows you to delete and to forward individual messages within the thread. The email client seems to be unchanged.
e) I use tomtom navigator 6.3 (western europe) a lot. It works well.
f) Getting a GPS fix can take more than five minutes from cold. If you've used it before on the same day, it's usually less than a minute. I have always found that the 614c is slower to get a fix than the old 6915 which I believe many 614c users upgraded from.
g) Google Maps also works really well, with GPS, and using HSDPA the 614c is fast enough to keep up with your position on a zoomed-in satellite photo while travelling in a car at 30mph (no I wasn't driving!).
h) The media player is ok, I do wish it would read the album artwork out of the mp3 metadata, but that's a slightly off topic observation.
i) The camera is shockingly slow. I use it rarely. The autofocus works quite well.
j) I've had no problems with lots of 8GB SDHC cards.
k) Battery life battery life battery life. The Achilles heel of the 614c. See point 8 above.
m) Activesync seems to work more quickly and more reliably under the WM6.1 ROM than previously.
n) Voice Commander is rubbish. Why do they bother? It takes ages to start up, only works from American accents, is generally slow and intrusive (over other open windows) and is unreliable. MS Voice Command was much better.
Hope all this is interesting! Let me know what you think and if you've got any questions I'll do my best to answer them.
Cheers,
hipppo
p.s. Update as of 22 December:
In case you are looking to download the very latest ROM from the Russian expert yevg001, here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/174859341/614c_WM6.1_20270_v1.4_rev1.1.rar.html
The password is "israpda.com" (without the quotes).
Yevgeny only created this ROM in the last couple of days and I believe it is based on the latest hp build - he says it is his newest and most stable WM6.1 ROM yet.
I haven't tried it yet.
Merry Christmas
hipppo
Cool, I use also the yevg001's ROM , It work very well. Does someone try his extended battery ? His look unchange? or it look like the Axim X30 with his extended battery?
My experience.
I do agree with the comments. I might add another issue - some of the programs based on netCF don't work - they report errors. I installed netCF3.5 but the problem still persists.
Hi,
I just wanted to thank you for this very detailed post.
It answered a lot of my questions!
Have HP categorically said they won't be releasing an official 6.1 ROM?
Thanks,
Adam
In my Ipaq 614C the word-completion features does not with on-screen keyboard. It's normally cauby by XT9? XT9 work well with the physical keyboard.
vgbvn said:
Cool, I use also the yevg001's ROM , It work very well. Does someone try his extended battery ? His look unchange? or it look like the Axim X30 with his extended battery?
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i ve bought the extended battery from HP and i have to say that it reallly enhance the use of the 614c ! i haven't really measured but i would say it last 2-3 times later than with the actual battery, using this 6.1 rom. the only drawback is that the phone is now bigger...
In my opinion, it's better to buy another standart battery and charger for it. I used to own a samsung i600 with two batteries - normal and extended and i had a separate charger for the battery. The only problem was, that i had to change the battery cover everytime i change the battery, which is not ery convenient. I think they sell a charger for about 5-6$ so you just charge the other battery and put it in your pocket. If you want to, you can buy two batteries. The ipaq is bulky enough with the normal battery.
HP said that "there aren't any devices made by HP with WM6.1 at the moment so they will have to make tests if the ipaq 610 is compatable with wm 6.1 and then think of releasing update". IMHO this means something like "We are not going to release wm 6.1 update if you want an official wm 6.1 phone go buy something else" . Of course it's compatable with wm 6.1 and it's working much better with it, but they have to pay $$$ to Microsoft so they can use wm 6.1 and they probably won't do that. The truth is, that the ipaq is cheaper then most of the other devices with similar hardware. I don't think that of they release an udate it will be better than the russian rom. The battery drains because you have a very, very fast CPU. I tested it with XcpuScalar and it plays 320x240 MP4 video with decent quality when clocked at 104MHZ. Now you can imagine the excessive power of the CPU, which is utilized at maximum only when playing QUAKE 2 or some playstation emulator, or when using SKYPE.
thanks for the infos but i can't register there to download a rom.what can we do for this?i don't speak russian
Latest Russian ROM
Hello everyone,
In case you are looking to download the very latest ROM from the Russian expert yevg001, here it is:
http://rapidshare.com/files/174859341/614c_WM6.1_20270_v1.4_rev1.1.rar.html
Yevgeny only created this ROM in the last couple of days and I believe it is based on the latest hp build - he says it is his newest and most stable WM6.1 ROM yet.
I haven't tried it yet.
axlastro said:
In my opinion, it's better to buy another standart battery and charger for it. I used to own a samsung i600 with two batteries - normal and extended and i had a separate charger for the battery. The only problem was, that i had to change the battery cover everytime i change the battery, which is not ery convenient. I think they sell a charger for about 5-6$ so you just charge the other battery and put it in your pocket. If you want to, you can buy two batteries. The ipaq is bulky enough with the normal battery.
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i think that i' ll buy this cradle from Brando:
http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02686
it 'll enables me to charge the high capacity battery and the normal battery...
I installed the last ROM update from this thread..
until now, i still haven't found any bugs.. does anyone have found a bugs in this ROM?
I am still using the previous ROM, not the latest one that my link above goes to.
In the previous ROM, the most frustrating bug is the inability to do voice and data at the same time. Initiating or receiving a call immediately terminates the data connection. This is very frustrating - the best thing about 3G is being able to sync emails and so on while talking on the phone, particularly when using the 614c as a high-speed modem for your laptop.
Sadly, no more of this for me... the benefits of the Russian WM6.1 ROM outweigh this (albeit quite big) disadvantage.
Hi all
I installed the last ROM (20757) update from this thread and i dont see any news progams inside :
has also added a few little software applets into the image, but you don't need to use any of these.
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I found only basics HP and Microsoft programs on this rom.
Thanks
mire93600 said:
Hi all
I installed the last ROM (20757) update from this thread and i dont see any news progams inside :
I found only basics HP and Microsoft programs on this rom.
Thanks
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That's the beauty of your iPAQ,
you can tweak it in any way you like.
mine after I installed new ROM >> very stable (recomended)
miroslav.turek said:
Yevg001 has his iPAQ back from service and prepared new ROM:
OS 5.2.20757 (Build 20757.1.4.0) Ver 1.5
http://rapidshare.com/files/163730994/614c_wm61_20757.rar
Password: israpda.com
ROM was tested only one day.
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tweak with usefull application:
** TouchFLO2D/Manilla2D Skins
with a little bit change assigning voice commander button into <scroll right> function
herg62123 said:
ALL DEVICES (VERSION 19b) WITH YOUTUBE ON INTERNET WIDGET
RAPIDSHARE.........................MEGAUPLOAD​
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>>> it's a zip file, Install application #09 only **09 Manila2D_0.11.all.devices**
then install Manilla 2D Customizer by mpenguin14 to configure it:
mpenguin14 said:
Manilla 2D Customizer (M2DC)
LATEST DOWNLOAD HERE (January 30 v0.28.233)
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then find the skin >> here
WARNING >> not all skins works well.. if you find not working skin, you can always try others.
and many others usefull and stable application:
Opera9.5.2392_WWE, AudioManager_2.0_1819.2129, and others (Install application inside Manila2D_0.11.all.devices** zip file)
Resco file & Registry Explorer 2008
usefull app from lots of http://www.dotfred.net/
(recommended) SH4Ys Pim Backup 2.8.CAB >> Backup tool Messages, Contacts, Logs, Tasks, appointment >> download here
AND MANY OTHERS APPLICATION !!!!!
(credits to all developer)
Move outlook message to storage card
found an article very useful for heavy e-mail user (like me) >> here so you can download large attachment file.
here it is:
Using a registry editor, create or edit the following entries:
HKLM\\System\Inbox\Settings\PropertyPath with value \Storage Card\Messaging
HKLM\\System\Inbox\Settings\AttachPath with value \Storage Card\Messaging\Attachments
Then move the entire Messaging folder under \Windows to \Storage Card and do a soft reset.
do carefully, i'm a newbie
One caveat is that you need to disable the "Messaging" Today plugin before your soft reset. If you don't do this, a second "\Storage Card" folder will be created in your ROM and your real Storage Card will be renamed "\Storage Card2", which isn't very useful is it?
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to edit registry >> use PHM Registry Editor to your Pocket PC to edit the registry...
to disable the Messaging Plugin, click on Start, Settings, Today, Items and untick the Messaging option...
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anw, I'm using resco explorer to edit registry
hipppo said:
I am still using the previous ROM, not the latest one that my link above goes to.
In the previous ROM, the most frustrating bug is the inability to do voice and data at the same time. Initiating or receiving a call immediately terminates the data connection. This is very frustrating - the best thing about 3G is being able to sync emails and so on while talking on the phone, particularly when using the 614c as a high-speed modem for your laptop.
Sadly, no more of this for me... the benefits of the Russian WM6.1 ROM outweigh this (albeit quite big) disadvantage.
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Hi Hipppo,
do you have any news about a newer ROM that does not have this problem ?
after using it a while did you find any other problem related to theses cooked rom ?
are thoses new ROMs comming with NetCF3.5 or older ?
Hello Albertorrent,
I have stopped using the yevg001 ROM mentioned in my first posting and I am now using his latest ROM which I think is called Build 20270.1.3.1 v1.4 rev1.2.
I have found this ROM to be stable, no problems. I recommend it.
It allows concurrent voice and data usage.
I am afraid my limited technical knowledge does not allow me to understand your question about NetCF3.5.
hipppo
Thanks,
I ordered my phone monday so I Might have it at the end of the week.
I'll try this new rom.
net CF is usefull to run some applications that has been developped whith it.
I just know that some application cannot install and run if there is not the latest CF (3.5) instaled
for exemple this one :
http://www.retrobits.net/ppc/ppc.shtml
you can find it here :
http://www.pocketpcfreeware.com/fr/index.php?soft=1187
thanks
just google it
albertorrent - i have the netcf3.5 as a separate Cab and i install in on the SD card. I haven't noticed any problem using it that way. I think it was somewhere on the forum but you can always google it. If you can't find it i can e-mail it to you. Right now i don't have it installed and I don't miss it much but some programs require it. At the moment I'm using the latest official 6.0 rom and i find the machine quite stable and fast with it. I had the 1.6 version of the russian 6.1 rom but for now i'm with 6.0
I've been a member here for a few years now and i use my beloved Trinity a lot, especially for surfing the net (opera mini (java) opera mobile 8.5 and internet explorer are mostly what i use) i've noticed a lot of people seem to have very few issues with running WM6.5 but i find it almost impossible to use WM6.5 for surfing the net without it constantly freezing or resetting on me, so i was wondering, which combination of WM, SPL and Radio Roms is everyone else using and how is ur speed / stability in conjunction with these? I'd especially like to hear from those who use WM6.5.
It's more of a curiosity based question than anything else.
....win 6.5,trinity p 3600,radio 1.46,supersport rom translated from rubenalf with titanium,opera mini 5 beta ( veryvery good ),skyfire (good,little bit heavy if not in wifi ) internet explorer 7 or 8 Idon't remember ( slow and heavy ) -
- no crash almost at all - I had more problems with manila 2d in win 6.1 -
thanks donaglia, i think i'll give that combo a try.
godofwap said:
thanks donaglia, i think i'll give that combo a try.
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godofwap; does your dream combo work fine? please share ur experience.
unfortunately i still found this combo to be a little tetchy at times, for example, whenever i switch to desktop mode on pie 8 it always froze before the entire page loaded, and for some reason whenever i ran opera mini 4.2 (java) it always seemed to close the java app, opera mobile 8.5 worked well for a time but had the same problem as pie 8 when it came to loading desktop view, sky fire was a complete no go, wouldnt even load, so far the best 6.5 combo i've used is:
nAr & Icke WM6.5 [build 21874.5.0.83] WWE Titanium Version (here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=606027 )
Olipro hard spl 1.20
Radio Rom 1.46.30.11
I was always fully able to load desktop views on opera mobile 8.5 and pie, although it did take between 1-2 minutes to fully load at times, opera mini 4.2 still keeps crashing but i could live without using that for the time being, sky fire still would not work, the combo overall was very smooth and relatively quick considering the fact it wasnt origionally designed for our beloved trinitys, i'm now going to try WWE WM6.5 24001 UL by The.Decoy (here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5547181#post5547181 ) to see how it works out, i'll keep you posted.
btw, i'd like to say that i think all the chefs here do a fantastic job, this post is just to determine the best combination for myself and anyone else who wishes to follow suit. I wouldnt want anyone to think that i'm dissing their work, so keep it up