Hello all I'm with T-Mobile after getting upset w/AT&T. No matter what
player I use the video is more trouble than it's worth. I have an
unlocked 8525 which is a 3G phone, all T-Mobile has is GPRS or Edge
Networks. I've spoken to my provider & to HTC. They say without the 3G
network I cannot *have video. I know that's not true, I used to be
able to watch news feeds or whatever with a Razor. With a 500.00 PPC Icannot??? If some oneone could explain away around this problem it
would be much appreciated!
I'm running Shcap's 4.00 ROM
Radio 1.54.07.00
I know to use the search here & Wiki & any MOD here can look & see I've searched until I'm blind & confused. I guess I've read too much. I've tried 4 or 5 different radios, I'm all out of ideas. As I said any help would be much appreciated!
it all comes down to the resolution of the video
if it's 640_480 then your screen will only show ½ the pixels anyway
but it will still transfer 2times the data down
personaly i would not bother with video on grps it's
too slow even for me to surf without loosing my patience
So I guess the only fix is to drop T-Mobile & goto a 3g carrier? My contract will not be up until June & by then there should be all kinds of new PDA's out there. I guess it would be just as well for me to use a GO Phone & pay the 150.00 X-L fee & call it a day!
in TCPMP goto Options, Video, and select Raw FrameBuffer.
DirectDraw is not compatible with WM6 from what I hear.
This fixed choppy video problems I had with Youtube videos and TCPMP.
ludester said:
in TCPMP goto Options, Video, and select Raw FrameBuffer.
DirectDraw is not compatible with WM6 from what I hear.
This fixed choppy video problems I had with Youtube videos and TCPMP.
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8525 (Hermes) has been notorious for crap video playback, depending on which ROM you use. The ROM the TC is using should be loaded withe the decent drivers. Best thing i use is Coreplayer and it works fine with Hardware acceleration.
Directdraw DOES work with WM6, select YV12 overlay and it should be fine.
GPRS is pretty poor bandwidth and bearing in mind it is rate adaptive so is unlikely you get anywhere close to the theoretical 80/60 kbps maximum. In a sence TMobile was correct in that 3G really is a good idea when planning on using streaming media. Depends on loads of things like the resolution, framerate, bitrate, bandwidth, codec etc...
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for there input.Being new to all this, I need all the helI can get. I plan to flash Schap's new 4.30 full to my phone this week, I hear that TCPMP is more less the same as Coreplayer. Is this true or not? I do have one question. Which radio using T-Mobile has worked the best for everyone in the MO & AR area of the USA? I think this may have something to do with it. Thanks for the input!
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Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!
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Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!
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eb said:
pterodyne said:
Great forum,
I was wondering if anyone else is able to stream shoutcast or similar in the US using the kjam? In the denver area, I can barely stream 56Kbit streams, as they have to buffer all the time. Occasionally I can stream a 128Kbit stream for an hour or more. I upgraded my 6315 ipaq (among other reasons) to make use of the supposed Edge data rates.
I have tried GSPlayer, TCMP, Resco Radio, and others. None of the prebuffering options seem to help significantly. It seems logical to me that even over GPRS speeds, I should be able to buffer enough that it should only hiccup once a .5 hour or so. Resco Radio seems to work the best, yet it has the least buffer tweak options.
Any advise?
Thanks!
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Interested int this too. Just discovered Shoutcast today and I'm in love, but the pauses/speed is irritating. Any fixes?
Well...I've noticed something concerning streaming audio to my device (Cingular 8125) over EDGE. Unless I use the 'dialup' servers it won't work. I decided to do a speed test at bandwithplace.com and I discovered that even in places where I had 4 full bars and complete EDGE coverage I still only got results of about 100 kbps +/- 10kbps. So I've been somewhat limited in where I can listen to most streams. Imagine my surprise when I learned (today searching that same website) that EDGE is actually rated for 384 kbps! If my home broadband service (rated at 6 mbps) suddenly only worked at 2mbps I'd be angry. Well after venting a bit, does anyone here know if this speed is a limitation of the hardware/software or a bottleneck in the network itself?
I don't know much about the technical issues but my understanding is that EDGE works using multiple channels or timeslots which aggregated together would give you the theoretical maximum of 384. If the network you are connected to has much voice traffic then voice channels take priority and the slots available to your data would reduce and consequently the throughput. There is also the potential that a network may not allocate the full EDGE service but throttle the number of channels available to you on the system giving you a lower maximum rate evn when the network is fully available.
So far my experiences have been such that I have given up on streaming audio through my kjam over EGDE. From an email or browsing perspective GPRS seemed just as fast, although the speed tests seemed to indicate a higher throughput. It's a good thing the Tmo in Denver Isn't charging more for EDGE over GPRS or I'd be angry!
My experience has been that using Orb I can stream video from my home PC with little problem other than the occassional pause (makes those long meetings tolerable ;-)
Update:
I was using Shoutcast thru TCPMP again and this time, I seemed to be getting a better GPRS signal, resulting in a stream of music (same station as before) that lasted about 10 minutes without a hiccup, and then about another 10 more without another break. It was fantastic! Using shoutcast thru TCPMP has been the best experience I've had with internet radio to this point....
Has anyone have tried slingbox with their Universal? If yes, any comments before I decide and get one for myself? Thanks in advance.
I have used Slingbox with MDA Pro
I recently purchased a Slingbox for use with my Universal in UK. It is very good. The picture on the universal is good too. The setting up is straight forward.
I was able to use it on my visit to New York last week.
If you need more info, let me know.
Does Slingbox broadcast constantly or only on demand? I don't want to use all my broadband allowance not watching Judge Judy!
only broadcasts when you connect to it. otherwise it sits there happily.
i got one the week they came out and love it. only problem in the UK is the upload speed of ADSL is pretty crappy. on 256k up it looks ok but i would recommend higher if you can get it. on a lan it looks fine.
highly recommended
Does it match the upload speed (as best it can) to the client's download speed? eg When I'm on 3g with not a great signal, will it only encode and upload at that speed, but when I'm on wifi it goes flat out?
yup.
although i think that on the Mobile client there is a limit to the speed.
you can also tweak it. i think the highest you can get it to stream on a PDA is about 600kbps, even though you might be able to select higher.
also on a lan the highest you can stream is at 2mb, even though you can select 3mb...don't ask why (cos i don't know )
where to get windows mobile Slingplayer for UK/PAL?
I have just bought a slingbox. One user of an MDA PRO says he's using with Universal which I have, but the player for windows mobile seems to ony be for the US/NTSC slingbox. Is the software compatible or is there a UK/PAL version?
I am considering buying this device in USA and go with the 3G network offered by Cingular. Anyone her ein the US thta has experimented this phone already and verified that the 3G is working and that the video calls are working too? Please let me know... Thank you, Paul.
Hi. You really should search before asking questions (this one has been answered many times)...
Yes, there's 3G available in many metropolitan areas with Cingular, and it works great (depends where you live though).
No, you can't use VideoCalling (Cingular doesn't support it).
G3 and video calls...
Sorry! However I researched using "3G and video calls usa" in several combinations but did not get any info. HOwever, I just got the Loox t830 and I am sending it back because the UMST doesnt work here in usa. but at this point I understand that any phone would not work. And anyway the customer services of Cingular told me that it would, but of course I don't believe them.... Thank you for your answer!!
830 is UMTS 2100 only .. so it's 3G wont work in the US .. Same prob with SE P990i ..
For the US, you need UMTS 850/1900 atleast ..
3G works fine on it, but you'll run into the problem that the connection speed is almost TOO fast for the browser. The high speed is really only good for stuff like Skype or other VOIP app's. Downloads are of course fast, but your day to day browsing doesn't speed up much, no matter which browser you try.
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3G works fine on it, but you'll run into the problem that the connection speed is almost TOO fast for the browser. The high speed is really only good for stuff like Skype or other VOIP app's. Downloads are of course fast, but your day to day browsing doesn't speed up much, no matter which browser you try.
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did you try video calls?
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did you try video calls?
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Cingular does not support video calls at this moment
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3G works fine on it, but you'll run into the problem that the connection speed is almost TOO fast for the browser. The high speed is really only good for stuff like Skype or other VOIP app's. Downloads are of course fast, but your day to day browsing doesn't speed up much, no matter which browser you try.
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This is very interesting. I have a question for you and all the other friends: did you try to check the speed of the connection via a computer? I mean, you can go in internet via the phone, from a laptop via the phone, or you can stick the sim card in a PC Card (I have a Sony Ericsson GC83) and go in internet. If you did so, what speed did you have, or could you get? Thank you, Paul.
Hi All, got this working, but video is very jerky, maybe similar to the (now fixed) bug in the core player?
Anyone know of a way around it?
Kev
Bandwidth
Is the Slingbox on your local network or are you running across the Internet? I'd be very interested to know the cause of the issue as I have it working well on my iPAQ and plan to upgrade to the Ameo and would hate to lose any quality. In fact want to gain from the VGA and faster processor!
-Krip
Local, this is def an Ameo problem sadly.
Must be the crappy ATI thing.
Kev
Strange I am running it fine on my Dopod U1000 over T-mobile HSDPA. I have tested with Version 1.0.0 and the latest on Slings website..
No jerky motion?
Kev
No, I know this is the obvious, but you have not got it set to Control mode? Control mode is very jerky, but allows faster changing of channels etc.
Nope, tried all the different settings.
Where have you installed it?
Kev
It is on the MicroDrive. I will try and run a test over my WLAN. BTH I only use it over HSDPA.
What happen to this thread, it's been quite for a while. I've been following this because I'm evaluating if I should get the box. A few questions:
1) When you watch over internet, typically how fast does the download quota got eaten up? Say how many MB per hour?
2) Do you think UMTS connection instead of HSDPA will give smooth video?
Thanks guys for the info.
Well I run it over Wi-fi on my local LAN and I must say I'm quite disappointed. The picture isn't much better than my QVGA iPAQ and I have no idea why.
-Krip
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Well I run it over Wi-fi on my local LAN and I must say I'm quite disappointed. The picture isn't much better than my QVGA iPAQ and I have no idea why.
-Krip
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Slingmobile player seems to have issues with landscape -- also on my TyTN. If you put it in portrait mode, even on the Athena, it works better. But, it defeats the purpose of a nice 5" screen of TV. I leave it on landscape, and deal with the jerkyness. And this seems to hold true on EDGE, 3G, HSDPA, or WiFi.
New Slingplayer 1.5 is out today. Give it a try.
Your video quality is going to be dependent on the slowest connections. (ie your upload at home and your download where you are watching it) THe sling stream technology maximizes the video quality based on network conditions. anyone have any questions just drop me a line
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New Slingplayer 1.5 is out today. Give it a try.
Your video quality is going to be dependent on the slowest connections. (ie your upload at home and your download where you are watching it) THe sling stream technology maximizes the video quality based on network conditions. anyone have any questions just drop me a line
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Thanks for the heads up. Just updated mine.
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New Slingplayer 1.5 is out today. Give it a try.
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Thanks for the info. I've upgraded mine as well, and video quality seems to be a bit better.
-Krip
Hi all,
Wonder if anyone has experienced this. My Touch HD (stock Orange ROM) is really jerky when playing Youtube videos through the client over Wifi, but fine over a 3g connection..
The Wifi connection is plenty fast enough, the Mrs has an iPhone, which works fine.
Anyone got any idea what I can check? I've made sure everything is turned off.. bluetooth etc..
stuck!
thanks
Mark
Hi, easy one this :0) Go to the settings tab select communications, in the bottom right tap settings, then tap wireless lan. Once there select the power mode tab then move slide all the way to the left for best performance. Always works for me, hope it does for you :0)
Sadly not mate, already tried that!
OK so this is REALLY weird. If I have nothing else downloading at home, and the youtube player is downloading it's jerky.
If I start a download going on my laptop (usenet - canes my connection) then what HAS buffered on my Touch HD plays fine. The moment I stop the download, it starts to be jerky again.
Almost seems like the throughput to the phone is killing it somehow, weird! have tried all sorts of settings on my router, but no dice.
Really stuck as to what to try next :/
Must admit until buffering is complete, I too get slightly jerky playback. Although this has always been the case with every Windows Mobile device I've had. Sorry I can't help you anymore m8
:0( Good luck with it.
Background downloading slows the device down, so it cant play the video smoothly. Go to youtube app settings and turn video playback quality to fast download. That helps, but the quality is awful.
I use the high quality, and just wait the video to finish downloading.
It's not just the fact that it's downloading in the background because it's doing that over 3g but plays fine, it's something specific to Wifi.
It's also not just slightly jerky, it's REALLY bad.
I mean.. I've watched plenty of reviews of this device where they've streamed youtube over wifiand it.screen fine..
I wonder if upgrading the radio would help? or is the wifi stuff done by the rom?
Worth a try, my HD works much better with new radio 1.10.25.25 + Custom rom Black Pearl 1.7 lite.
will have to give that a try then. The stock Orange rom is good apart from that but a bit slow.
Just finding picking one to flash to a touch daunting, too much choice!
OK, so I downloaded and flashed to panosha Black Pearl v2.1 HD ROM.
Works fine, is VERY nice and fast Also updated my radio version to 1.12.25.16 but the Youtube thing is still there!!!
I'm going to try it on someone else's wifi connection as soon as I can, but for now, anyone got a clue?!?
OK, I've tried three different roms, and even tried two other wifi networks- same problem.
The device is generally slower when connected to a wifi network, not just youtube. I guess it's just more noticeable when playing YT videos.
Really lost now ;(
Could be that once you are connected on WIFI the youtube player automatically selects the best quality video for you to view, increasing system requirements.
At the same time as trying to view the higher quality video the WIFI also uses a fair bit of CPU power. Try downloading a file on WIFI with everything else closed and you'll notice your device is a lot less responsive until the download is completed.
Only a guess though.
Well of course, but you'd expect a device of this spec to be able to play it without stuttering all over the shop whilst nothing else is loaded...
Hi there = I've got the same bleedin problem!
I am on orange payg 3g, Dutty 2.1 extreme rom.
I never had the problem with the original (orange) total pants rom, but I've also updated the radio to 1.12 so perhaps it's an issue with the radio. Have you tried 1.13 the latest?
It's nowt to do with the youtube settings for sure, it's most definitely wi-fi related. I've noted the i-player mobile app is wildly out of sync on the audio too and never used to be that bad.
If anyone has any ideas or tweaks please let us know. thanks!
Maybe its because when you connect to wifi network it says that rx speed is 1mbps (it should be faster) and the real download speed is around 30 kb per second and i think that that is not enough for playing realtime high quality videos (needs buffering more often). When you set option to best performance that will just increase your transmit power and you will get better reception (but the speed still remains). Maybe that is the problem. Any solution on how to increase the RX speed?
Hi there, i am from singapore. I am also experiencing the same problem with the youtube client from the stock rom. i got mine from starhub! the video is jerky! need help!!