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Down-Grade

My device is in good condition and running WM6 Black, however, I got a new job that provides a PDA phone, so Im wanting to sell my Cingular 8525 (walking around with two PDA's on my belt is a little much). Before I sell my 8525 I want to put it back to Factory setting so whoever buys it doesn't have problems from cingular. I've read through the forums and couldn't find anything about downgrading a device. I went to HTC and got the latest official rom from them for cingular, but before I try to flash that I just want to make sure it wont brick my phone because of the upgraded Radio and SPL that I have. I need to know if it will put the radio and SPL back to factory versions? if not any way to put everything back to factory/offical cingular release. My device info in listed in my Sig. i'm sorry if this is posted somewhere else, i promise I read through every search result and looked through the wiki. Please help? (unless someone wants to buy a moded 8525 ;-) )
-chris

I have done upgrade to WM6 and downgrade to factory ROM a couple of times, and my JASJAM hasn't got any problem.

zl1ji said:
I have done upgrade to WM6 and downgrade to factory ROM a couple of times, and my JASJAM hasn't got any problem.
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its the SPL I'm worried about, I've read on here before that when sent back to cingular/HTC for repair or what not that the warrenty was voided and the customer was charged for a new phone because it had a forign bootloader/spl. thats what worries me a little.

krisg0 said:
its the SPL I'm worried about, I've read on here before that when sent back to cingular/HTC for repair or what not that the warrenty was voided and the customer was charged for a new phone because it had a forign bootloader/spl. thats what worries me a little.
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You'll have to downgrade the SPL to 1.10 or less first, otherwise that factory ROM won't overwrite it. This is clearly detailed in the Hard-SPL release notes/thread (see link in my sig).

vp3G said:
You'll have to downgrade the SPL to 1.10 or less first, otherwise that factory ROM won't overwrite it. This is clearly detailed in the Hard-SPL release notes/thread (see link in my sig).
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I've downloaded ruu_hermes_1.34.502.1_1.16.00.00_wwe_cws_ship.exe from HTC website for cingular 8525. Should I flash that first, then try to find a factory SPL to flash, then flash the cingular rom again to get the SPL back to what the current released spl/rom settings are? Where do i find the factory SPL, I only see Hard-SPL-V6.zip.

krisg0 said:
I've downloaded ruu_hermes_1.34.502.1_1.16.00.00_wwe_cws_ship.exe from HTC website for cingular 8525. Should I flash that first, then try to find a factory SPL to flash, then flash the cingular rom again to get the SPL back to what the current released spl/rom settings are? Where do i find the factory SPL, I only see Hard-SPL-V6.zip.
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See my new downgrade guide, let me know how it goes.
WM5 downgrade guide

mrvanx said:
See my new downgrade guide, let me know how it goes.
WM5 downgrade guide
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I got everything back to factory besides the SPL. (radio, os, ipl. ect) I followed the instructions for repeating the kock steps (after wm5 was installed) to redo the radio and spl. the radio took but the spl still say's SPL-1.40.Olipro

krisg0 said:
I got everything back to factory besides the SPL. (radio, os, ipl. ect) I followed the instructions for repeating the kock steps (after wm5 was installed) to redo the radio and spl. the radio took but the spl still say's SPL-1.40.Olipro
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To repeat, Hard-SPL > 1.10 purposefully prevents overwriting the SPL (as do the factory SPL's > 1.04). The downgrade guide doesn't address this, unfortunately.
You'll need to downgrade to Hard-SPL 1.10 (yes, there's something other than V6 still available), then reflash the factory ROM or your repackaged radio/SPL nbh.

vp3G said:
To repeat, Hard-SPL > 1.10 purposefully prevents overwriting the SPL (as do the factory SPL's > 1.04). The downgrade guide doesn't address this, unfortunately.
You'll need to downgrade to Hard-SPL 1.10 (yes, there's something other than V6 still available), then reflash the factory ROM or your repackaged radio/SPL nbh.
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I downloaded SPL-OliproMFG. extracted. used koch to make the nbh with the SPL.* file (not the SSPL file) and the ruuwrapper to update the phone. I chose SPL-1.11/1.13/1.30/1.40 New bootloader because thats the current SPL on my phone (SPL-1.40) with the option Hard-SPL checked. It connects to the phone, transerfer 100% and resets the phone. After it boots I press the okay and power +reset and it still showes SPL-1.40.Olipro.
Did I download the wrong file or am I using the wrong settins on the RUUwrapper? I'm doing my best to read through everything and actually try, that is what i'm told will not piss off the senior members, you are willing to help those that try to help themselves. so I appreciate everything you guys are offering me. I just wanted to let you know that.

krisg0 said:
Did I download the wrong file or am I using the wrong settins on the RUUwrapper?
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Yes and yes. Use the Hard-SPL link in my sig to get 1.10 - Olipro SPL (a.k.a. "flavour 2"). You have to force SSPL when flashing it, otherwise it won't downgrade (for the same reason your factory ROM isn't downgrading it).

To flash the old spl, put it into an nbh image as in the guide, when you flash using RUU select force SSPL. voila

Everything is back to normal and working GREAT! Thanks for all of your help!

mrvanx said:
To flash the old spl, put it into an nbh image as in the guide, when you flash using RUU select force SSPL. voila
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Perhaps you could update your downgrading guide to reflect this? I see "Why didn't my SPL downgrade?" questions all the time.
Also, IMO when reverting to "factory", one should downgrade SPL last, or at least separate from the radio. By doing so, you would retain the anti-bricking and "quick flash" (if > 1.10) benefits of Hard-SPL while flashing the radio, which as we know is the most risky.

vp3G said:
Perhaps you could update your downgrading guide to reflect this? I see "Why didn't my SPL downgrade?" questions all the time.
Also, IMO when reverting to "factory", one should downgrade SPL last, or at least separate from the radio. By doing so, you would retain the anti-bricking and "quick flash" (if > 1.10) benefits of Hard-SPL while flashing the radio, which as we know is the most risky.
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In the guide I do mention how to downgrade the SPL and radio.

mrvanx said:
In the guide I do mention how to downgrade the SPL and radio.
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Agreed, except that if one has Hard-SPL > 1.10 installed on their device (which so many do at this point), they can't just repackage SPL.nb from the original factory ROM per the guide and expect it to downgrade (which is what krisg0 encountered). Same holds true for factory SPL > 1.04.
Thought perhaps you could take the guide one step further to say that if you have Hard-SPL > 1.10, you must downgrade to Hard-SPL = 1.10 before a factory SPL flash will overwrite it. I believe this to be the primary reason Olipro left v1.10 available.
IMO, adding this bit of info to the guide has the potential of cutting down on a lot of "How do I downgrade my SPL?" questions.
It's your guide, of course -- just thought I'd offer my 2 cents for improving it and maybe even eliminate some repetitive questions on the forum...

vp3G said:
Agreed, except that if one has Hard-SPL > 1.10 installed on their device (which so many do at this point), they can't just repackage SPL.nb from the original factory ROM per the guide and expect it to downgrade (which is what krisg0 encountered). Same holds true for factory SPL > 1.04.
Thought perhaps you could take the guide one step further to say that if you have Hard-SPL > 1.10, you must downgrade to Hard-SPL = 1.10 before a factory SPL flash will overwrite it. I believe this to be the primary reason Olipro left v1.10 available.
IMO, adding this bit of info to the guide has the potential of cutting down on a lot of "How do I downgrade my SPL?" questions.
It's your guide, of course -- just thought I'd offer my 2 cents for improving it and maybe even eliminate some repetitive questions on the forum...
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You dont need to downgrade the SPL twice, simply package the old the SPL into the nbh image then flash using customRUU....select force SSPL and it WILL overwrite the SPL regardless of the version you currently have.

mrvanx said:
You dont need to downgrade the SPL twice, simply package the old the SPL into the nbh image then flash using customRUU....select force SSPL and it WILL overwrite the SPL regardless of the version you currently have.
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OK, yeah, that would be the more direct route when disassembling and repackaging the factory nbh and downgrading in stages. I just didn't see anything about forcing SSPL on the SPL part, that's all.

vp3G said:
OK, yeah, that would be the more direct route when disassembling and repackaging the factory nbh and downgrading in stages. I just didn't see anything about forcing SSPL on the SPL part, that's all.
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Yes ofcourse, the only real use for flashing an old radio and old SPL is incase you want to send it back for warranty....however my guide is just for downgrading to WM5

mrvanx said:
...however my guide is just for downgrading to WM5
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I see your point. In that case, leave radio and SPL out of it.
Personally, I don't know why anyone would want to go back to WM5 other than for warranty purposes!

mrvanx said:
See my new downgrade guide, let me know how it goes.
WM5 downgrade guide
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Wow this really works
I had:
Cingular 8525 Network: Cingular
OS: CUSTEL Windows Mobile VI Professional v2.5 (Cingular Version)
CE OS: 5.2.1413 OS Build: 17741.0.2.1 ROM date: 04/17/07
Radio version: 1.40.30.00 SPL-2.10Oli IPL: 1.04 (SuperCID)
I FOLLOWED directions and put the reg At&t RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_2.15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship
JUST LIKE NEW - I just had to see if I could do it... loading back my CUSTEL

IPL & SPL Version Mismacth

Hi
My o2 xda mini s - used to hang @ start up soft and hard reset dint work out for me so i tried flashing my handset by this process given by MR Vippie http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298613
the complaint is still same and now the handset versions is something like this
IPL 1.01
SPL 1.05
GSM 01.12.10
OS 1.5.4.2
pls help

If you did the unlocking that it looks like you were trying to do, then now you have to flash back to an official ROM like T-Mobile 2.26 to get your IPL/SPL back to the same version.

i haven't personally done this version of unlocking, but the common advice is that IPL and SPL should be the same number. if they aren't you should keep reflashing the button rom until they are both 1.05...then CID and flash back to a 2.xx rom. it doesn't hurt to reflash the buttons...1.01 and 1.05 doesn't look right...

ok thankyou for ur precious suggestion i will try flashing with this versions

Another odd thing. When I flashed my wizard I first flashed it back to 1.05 to unlock it. I then flashed it forward to I think the T-Mo 2.26 which was then new. I had to do this second flash twice because the first time it only got the bootloader. From the instructions I had read, though, it appears this is normal or at least not uncommon?

invalid vender id
this update utility cannot be used for your pda phone. please check your update utility
this is the error i get when i flash it with t-mobile 2.26 any other version or some kind of hardware damage

did you go through the unlocking process enablerapi, etc? sounds like you might not have CID unlocked, so it won't let you flash a rom from a different carrier. (in this case, I'm assuming you have cingular). when you flash with buttons 1.05 and both ipl/spl are the same, then go through the unlock process again.

ok sir
will try ur process n post results

I'd also bet that the CID unlocking didn't go through but i don't think it's a big deal having two different bootloader parts as long as the major version is the same. eg: 1.01 / 1.05 or 2.17 / 2.26 (i must try it one of these days)
What happens a lot these days is broken phones due to different major versions. And although nobody took the time to make a study i'd bet that it's a downgrade protection issue from latest bootloaders
cheers
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sorry for the off-topic

Clarification needed (even after reading the Wiki and Searching)

Long time lurker, first real post.
I'm currently running Duttys 2.6 Rom (1.14 SPL)on my Orange UK branded Touch HD and loving it.
I've trawled the Wiki and the forum and pretty certain I know the answer to this but anyway...
Am I right in thinking that I cannot do anything with the new 1.56 Official Rom until HardSPL is updated OR Orange UK release their own version (which is unlikely ).
I guess this also means that any Cooked ROM that uses 1.56 SPL (Dutty 2.7-3.0) will also be unavailable to me?
I did read about people forcing this ROM through USPL...but that sounds risky to my novice mind

I just flashed yesterday after a long time of pondering. I finally took the plunge and flashed the new 1.56 rom using uspl 2.5
very easy to do.

Did you do anything different than a normal flash of a Cooked Rom? The thought of it flashing the SPL aswell as the ROM scares me
I usually:
- Power to BootLoader
- Insert SD
- Load USPL
- Flash
- HardReset

When I try to use the new official HTC ROM via USPL it updates my SPL to 1.54 without much trouble but will not go any further.
The bootloader shows "Upgrade ROM code error Please try again".
If I run USPL again now it's at 1.54 the upgrade starts to go through then bombs out back to the bootloader.
I've restored back to stock 1.14 now.

Arcolite said:
When I try to use the new official HTC ROM via USPL it updates my SPL to 1.54 without much trouble but will not go any further.
The bootloader shows "Upgrade ROM code error Please try again".
If I run USPL again now it's at 1.54 the upgrade starts to go through then bombs out back to the bootloader.
I've restored back to stock 1.14 now.
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Follow guide in my signature. Will guide you through process

That's the guide I followed to get to the "Upgrade ROM code error Please try again."
The bootloader shows 1.14.0000 so I went straight to Step 5.
The phone is Orange UK branded so the .exe comes up with Invalid vendor so I go to 5a and follow it through to 5e (which is the method I was already using when I flashed Duttys firmware in the past).
Step 5e leaves you at the 1.15.USPL bootloader and tells you to go to Step 6
Step 6 starts of saying that I should now be at SPL1.54 but it doesn't, I'm still at USPL 1.15.USPL because Step 5a-e doesn't tell you to do anything other than fire up USPL.
I know I'm probably being thick, but I think I'm missing something

Arcolite said:
That's the guide I followed to get to the "Upgrade ROM code error Please try again."
The bootloader shows 1.14.0000 so I went straight to Step 5.
The phone is Orange UK branded so the .exe comes up with Invalid vendor so I go to 5a and follow it through to 5e (which is the method I was already using when I flashed Duttys firmware in the past).
Step 5e leaves you at the 1.15.USPL bootloader and tells you to go to Step 6
Step 6 starts of saying that I should now be at SPL1.54 but it doesn't, I'm still at USPL 1.15.USPL because Step 5a-e doesn't tell you to do anything other than fire up USPL.
I know I'm probably being thick, but I think I'm missing something
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ok, if you are at 1.15 USPL, next step is to flash 1.56 rom. Then you should have SPL 1.54 in bootloader. After this reuse USPL and then flash Duttys rom

Thanks for this.
I'm now using Duttys v3.
It still showed "Upgrade ROM error" after doing the HTC 1.56 Update, but when it got to the 1.54SPL bootloader I fired up USPL and Duttys installed fine.

Please help me

Dear All,
I decided to add the miri custom ROM. I'm on official 1.66 rom WWE with radio 2.06. I read in this forum that I have to downgrade to 1.48 in order ro be able to SPL. I downloaded the 1.48 from the thread of Leo official roms in this forum. The process stopped at 1% telling me "Invalid vendor". then I restarted my device but the GSM network is not working.
Please help how could I go back to 1.48 to SPL my device.
i want to hard spl but my spl is 1.66.0000
how to hard spl ??

You need the ROM that originally came with your HD2, flash it using the SD card method and then you can put HSPL on the device

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You need the ROM that originally came with your HD2, flash it using the SD card method and then you can put HSPL on the device
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That will only help if the original spl on the stock rom is 1.42.0000, which with a 1.66 based rom I'm guessing not. HSPL currently only works if the spl is 1.42.0000 and in cases where it isn't you need to either upgade or downgrade to 1.42 first.

i can not flash by memory card but i have error vender id
in goldcard i have problem too, this is vender id error
is any hspl for spl 1.66.0000 ? ?
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i can update my rom to energy by sspl but it still in HTC bootscreen
i need hard spl
please help

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Who is your provider? you need the 1.48 ROM from your provider to flash back to SPL 1.42 via SD card. If your phone isn't vendor locked (although it sounds like it is) then you can get the 1.48 ROM for your region from HTC direct
Might be a lesson to be learned here to read everything fully before attempting anything

i have 1.48 rom and test SD card method but i have vender id error

Try another one of these 1.48 roms to see if perhaps any one of them work
http://www.4shared.com/dir/22189940/b8552fa0/Shipped_Leo_ROMs.html
As has been stated by EddyOS you can't always just flash to any stock 1.48 rom, you need to try to get a 1.48 based rom for your operator and that is why you are getting the invalid vendor problem. I luckily did not have a problem and I see some other users are saying that the Goldcard method also no longer works. I can't comment on that, but you may want to try that option out.

a question
for ugprade to 1.66 i need goldcard ?
because gold card is worked by active sync but my device in still in htc boot screen

You need to get a 1.48 ROM for your region/vendor and flash using the sd card method, nothing else will get you back to SPL 1.42 so don't bother trying.
If you don't understand then you shouldn't have flashed in the first place

ok. i tested 1.48 and 1.61 rom by sd method but see Not Allowed error.
i will download 1.66 and test it
thanks a lot

Are you getting the 1.48 ROM that is from your region/vendor?

lovely_az_2003 said:
ok. i tested 1.48 and 1.61 rom by sd method but see Not Allowed error.
i will download 1.66 and test it
thanks a lot
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seems you are just flashing any old rom. You need to find one that is specific to your provider (voafone, o2, tmobile, whatever) otherwise you will continue to get invalid vendor.

i live in iran
i dont know my vendor
i upgrade another leo by this 1.61 rom but this device ...
i unlucky...

{SOLVED}!!HELP ME DOWNGRADE MY 1.66.0000 voda UK SPL

PLease can some point me in the direction of a ROM I can use to downgrade
my SQL. I have tried versions 1.43 ships and NBH but no luck. INstructions woudl also be nice incase I am doing something wrong.
Please dont tell me to to read the "sticky's" as where this is mentioned there are no instructions for fixing it.

note: i tried flashing Official RUU_Leo_TMO_UK_1.43.110.2_Radio_Signed_15.26.50.07U_2.04.50.22_2_Ship ROM but it said not allowed. I tried extracting and flashing from my Sd card and by booting to spl and running it from there, same there aswell - what I am doing wrong?

If you have vodafone device, i think you must (without HSPL) use vodafone ROM, not TMO, isnt it?

this was a replacement device, the other was fine, just had a scratched screen. It wont take hardpl or hardpl2 - i just get "not allow" or "critcal error"

So you have a Vodafone UK branded Device??? Check it if it is branded!!!
First try to flash an official Vodafone UK ROM from SD, by renaming and copying the nbh file to the SD root.
I think there are 3 versions available:
- 1.43 (probably downgrades SLP to 1.42.0000)
- 1.66 (probably SPL 1.66.0000)
- 1.72 (probably SPL 1.66.0000)
You can find them here:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/22189940/b8552fa0/Shipped_Leo_ROMs.html
Then you could try HSLP2 or maybe even SSPL.
edit: you could also check your serial at the official HTC download section.

i get "not allow" when I try flash a voda 1.43 rom, I can flash fine with the correct 1.66 ROMS but I want to downgrade as Hardspl2 wont work, i get a critical usb error - usb connection is fine as I can flash shipped ROMS fine.
The ROM I am currently on is branded yes.

managed to find a 1.43 voda rom and get spl down to 1.43, hardspl then worked ok, still not sure why my voda spl 1.66 wouldnt take the hardspl