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I'm looking to upgrade from my dream to the hero.
The phone from Sprint is 180 w/ contract.
I want to get the phone and unlock it.
Does anyone know how much the phone Withought the contract is?
Thanks in advance
Sprint is a CDMA network. It doesn't use SIM card, and the user data is stored on the phone. You cannot use it on other networks.
So getting it without contract is just... without contract. You need to be on Sprint's network for it to work.
well looks like im switching to sprint lol
sorry for my ignorance
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Sprint is a CDMA network. It doesn't use SIM card, and the user data is stored on the phone. You cannot use it on other networks.
So getting it without contract is just... without contract. You need to be on Sprint's network for it to work.
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Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.
$599
Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637
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Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.
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Theoretically you can swap the radio chip inside and add a sim card slot too add GSM support too. I don't want to waste time arguing with you on that, but if you do know how to unlock a Sprint CDMA phone to use on Verizon yourself, congrats, you can make big bucks with that knowledge.
BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.
tsekh501 said:
Theoretically you can swap the radio chip inside and add a sim card slot too add GSM support too. I don't want to waste time arguing with you on that, but if you do know how to unlock a Sprint CDMA phone to use on Verizon yourself, congrats, you can make big bucks with that knowledge.
BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.
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that's not true, if you are downloading something and someone calls the download stops and the call is recieved. atleast that is how it has worked with my touch pro, vogue, and titan.
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Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637
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Yah I'm just going to add a line, cancel my current line with the Palm Pre and good enough. Gotta love Google Voice.
Figure I can maybe sell my Pre for the cost of the ETF. Although there isn't much demand for them for obvious reasons.
JBachman said:
Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.
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As I understand, CDMA networks need to register the ESN of your device to their network, but most CDMA networks (at least Sprint and Verizon) no longer allow the registration of ESNs that were originally registered to other networks. Apparently Verizon used to allow 3rd party ESNs, but no longer do this, but I cannot find any "official" confirmation of this.
i.e. if you have a Sprint phone, it will have a Sprint ESN and Verizon would refuse to add this to their database.
I believe there are methods to clone another ESN onto a new phone, but I've no idea how "legal" this is.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
As I understand, CDMA networks need to register the ESN of your device to their network, but most CDMA networks (at least Sprint and Verizon) no longer allow the registration of ESNs that were originally registered to other networks. Apparently Verizon used to allow 3rd party ESNs, but no longer do this, but I cannot find any "official" confirmation of this.
i.e. if you have a Sprint phone, it will have a Sprint ESN and Verizon would refuse to add this to their database.
I believe there are methods to clone another ESN onto a new phone, but I've no idea how "legal" this is.
Regards,
Dave
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I never made mention of the legalities of the process.... I was just stating that it can be done. I do it for Metro phones all the time. I also "heard" it is possible to unlock unlimited data for smartphones on Metro as well.....
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BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.
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A lot of people don't care about that, so stop trying to pee on Sprint and claim it's raining. Geez... If i'm Youtube(ing) and a call comes in, fine, i take the call, finish the call and then continue what i was doing.
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Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637
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This is BestBuy's modus operandi..which is charging more (lots more) than even Sprint's MSRP. So if one is considering buying at full price without contact, go to Sprint directly. The flip side is that they usually have better new/upgrade-contract prices than Sprint since BestBuy doesn't do mail-in-rebates, they make it instant.
Some folks on spintusers.com are claiming $429.99 Sprint full price.
LordLugard said:
This is BestBuy's modus operandi..which is charging more (lots more) than even Sprint's MSRP. So if one is considering buying at full price without contact, go to Sprint directly. The flip side is that they usually have better new/upgrade-contract prices than Sprint since BestBuy doesn't do mail-in-rebates, they make it instant.
Some folks on spintusers.com are claiming $429.99 Sprint full price.
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Yes, Sprint is charging $429.99 full retail. At least according to their own website.
http://www.sprint.com/hero (read the fine print)
And why the F is Best Buy charging so damn much??!! That is just rediculous! Doesn't best buy do price matching?? Couldn't I go into a store and say hey, sprint is only charging 429.99, hook me up?
.........$429.99.........
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Hi I am wondering if I can activate a sprint hero on a vzw network and if so would they force me to get a dataplan. I really would like and android phone but don't want a dataplan. I am near wifi most of the time. I thought about cloning esns with the new eris but since it would be to avoid fees I think it would land me in some trouble.
What do you guys think? I thought about the vx6900 but no wifi and the bluetooth doesn't work in their build.
Thanks,
Isaac.S
why not just get the eris ....its the same thing as the hero but with out sprints crapware on it???
I don't think they would allow the handset to be activated. Plus, you'd have to start a sprint contract, cancel it, get charged for the device in order to get the thing in the first place.
As 702 said, just get an Eris, it's the same device and meant for VZW. Personally, I don't see why you would want to pay the much higher plan costs for VZW anyway.
Well I wouldn't mind switching but friends are all on verizon and it has the best coverage where I am. I would be purchasing a full price device from sprint to activate on verizon and selling my upgrade device ie droid or eris. What I am trying to avoid is shelling out an additional 30 a month for data.
Having a phone that relies so much on the internet might be kind of pointless without a data plan.
Also, with Sprint's "any mobile" it won't cost you a cent (or minutes) to call them Sprint to VZW. Nor will it cost you if they call you.
The device cost thing isn't a hurdle if you can afford it, which you seem to be able to.
The big hurdle is getting VZW to add the MEID to their database and allowing the handset onto the network. I don't think they will from prior attempts of my own.
thanks for the meid info ekinnee. I thought I had heard that verizon is pretty good about adding devices but maybe I was wrong about that.
Thanks,
Isaac.S
isaacws said:
thanks for the meid info ekinnee. I thought I had heard that verizon is pretty good about adding devices but maybe I was wrong about that.
Thanks,
Isaac.S
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Some are, some aren't...you're kindof at the mercy of whatever store reps you get (Verizon has a big thing a while back about being willing to put any device on their network). Best bet is to ask the VZ Rep.
EDIT: I do believe they will still force you into a dataplan. The store I went to used to do datablocks and they claimed they couldn't (either through technology or policy) do that on newer smartphones. Just about every provider requires a data plan for smartphones these days.
In my opinion, as like many of the others that posted here, I would just get it on Sprint. With Sprint, you now get unlimited free calling to ANY cell phone, even if it is on Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, US Cellular, you name it. Also, I have a feeling eventually someone is going to come out with a way to enable "Roaming Only" in the Hero... which basically means if you enable it, you will ALWAYS be using Verizon's service instead of Sprint. Also, Sprint is cheaper, so I'd just go with Sprint if I were you.
There has been a lot of talk about ATT bull**** N1 people into data plan.
However, if I buy a normal phone from them, 2 years contract with DATA BLOCK.
Insert the sim onto the New Nexus ATT version
Can they force me into a data plan? (I mean, I am not using their data service at all, not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30)
So can they still force me?
I hope they don't, but if they do, I am going straight to ABC News and have a field day with the media.
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There has been a lot of talk about ATT bull**** N1 people into data plan.
However, if I buy a normal phone from them, 2 years contract with DATA BLOCK.
Insert the sim onto the New Nexus ATT version
Can they force me into a data plan? (I mean, I am not using their data service at all, not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30)
So can they still force me?
I hope they don't, but if they do, I am going straight to ABC News and have a field day with the media.
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no how would they know you have a Nexus ? if you don't tell them ? just swap you phone and it should work fine
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no how would they know you have a Nexus ? if you don't tell them ? just swap you phone and it should work fine
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I beg to differ... the IMEI of every phone is different. It identifies the manufacturer, model and other characteristics of the phone (Smartphone or Dumbphone). Based on this information, AT&T has recently sent notifications to "unlocked Smartphone" users telling them that they are required to get a Data Plan. The AT&T support forum is full of folks complaining that they have received this warning and have subsequently been put on data plans. Below is the URL to a typical thread on this issue.
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=gsmgprs&thread.id=28657
They can see the IMEI of the device on the network. The first 8 digits (the TAC) give the Make/Model info. So, that said, they always know what device you're using.
Yes they can... I have had an iphone since the second month they were out. I purchased an iphone 3g off of craigslist and then a 3gs and just kept moving the Sim card to each phone. Over the last few months I have texts and emails from them saying I have to upgrade my data plan... My contracted ended over a year ago lol.
Was waiting for the supersonic but I just bought this ATT Nexus. will switch the Sim and see how they react. LOL
My plan expired 3 years ago and I move my sim all the time. It so great not to be on a plan. I used a G1 for over a year and an N1 since the first day they came out. I never received any notifications about anything. I do have a PDA plan so maybe that's the difference.
i've got two smart phones(nokia n95 and htc polaris) on att's family data plan for $10 each, and have for over 2 years now. will att change it to the $30 data plan once i get my nexus 1?
Good chance. I'm not going to say 'likely' but, good chance.
If ATT carries the phone - they will likely scan for it on the network at some point. It's just a matter of time.
Folks like mlott who already have an expanded dataplan (not the $10 one) should be fine.
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The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software
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3. The Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act creates a number of offences relating to the electronic identifiers of mobile wireless communications devices. In particular it becomes an offence to reprogramme the unique International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) number which identifies a mobile telephone handset. It is also possible to interfere with the operation of the IMEI by the addition of a small electronic chip to the handset and this too is made illegal.
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So, federally
Yeah I am interested in the hiding your IMEI too. I know this was done on Iphone, but anything on android? given how programmable these Android are, is it possible?
I mean faking MAC address was said to be impossible in the beginning, but now you can do it with a flip of a registry on windows.
I don't know if it's possible, but ring up ATT and ask for the "smartphone exclusion" feature on your line. Apparently, the ATT scanner is honoring that and NOT adding plans to those types of lines.
(Please google for more info before you do this.)
i have the N1 (TMobile version) on ATT right now and i have the smartphone exclusion so i never got one of those texts requiring me to get the data plan (others using the N1 on ATT were getting this texts and were forced to add the $30 plan); also, i recently called ATT and added data block on my line; they still think that i have my older phone (blackberry) as that showed up on their system
but i don't know how they will work on this new N1; also, i want to know if i get the AT&T version, will they take off the Data Block feature from my line
They can probably tell very easily what phone you are on. I called T-Mobile (yea yea, not ATT but still) a few days after I got my N1 on launch day to transfer the insurance or whatever, and when I was talking to the rep, he said "so you are calling from your new Nexus One." I didnt say a word about what phone I was on So if T-Mobile can tell what phone is calling them, I can only imagine ATT can too.
They will likely force you into some sort of data plan.
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They can probably tell very easily what phone you are on. I called T-Mobile (yea yea, not ATT but still) a few days after I got my N1 on launch day to transfer the insurance or whatever, and when I was talking to the rep, he said "so you are calling from your new Nexus One." I didnt say a word about what phone I was on So if T-Mobile can tell what phone is calling them, I can only imagine ATT can too.
They will likely force you into some sort of data plan.
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that may be true, but they can't forced me onto a plan because i have the smartphone exclusion grandfathered into my line and i just added the data block
ATT system doesn't have the TMobile N1 imei; hell, i've been with ATT since 2005 with family plan and they still don't have the right phones for 3 of the numbers in their system
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So, federally
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Luckily for us in the United States, IMEI is not ESN. I have not been able to find anything showing that changing IMEI #s is illegal here, and nobody else has been able to show me any either. We don't use IMEIs to blacklist phones like they do in other countries, so it's not illegal to change them. We do use ESNs that way so it is illegal to change those.
I think it really all depends on whether or not Google gave AT&T a file with all the IMEIs for the AT&T band N1s.
I do know that AT&T has no idea what phone I'm using currently (see sig), but knows immediately when I put my sim into a branded phone (tried w/iPhone, HTC Pure & Pantech Matrix Pro). Not only have I confirmed this over the phone, but I've confimed it by logging into my account after putting a sim into a branded phone, and seeing the phone pop up. No such thing happens with my unbranded phone and unbranded phones I've used in the past.
mazzarin said:
I don't know if it's possible, but ring up ATT and ask for the "smartphone exclusion" feature on your line. Apparently, the ATT scanner is honoring that and NOT adding plans to those types of lines.
(Please google for more info before you do this.)
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The smartphone exclusion plan is now being phased out internally. They are no longer authorizing reps to add lines into that category as of two months. I think it have something to do with the Nexus One launch?
This I got as 'news' from an AT&T rep direct.
NexusX said:
not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30
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How is this "cheating" them ? They offer unlimited data at 2G speeds and you pay them for it.
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If they want to they can. Not all companies are anti-evil. Cingular is long dead now.
Ok here the way it works, well for me. I'm on the AT&T network, I'm been out of contract for 10 years. In those 10 years I've always used a smart phone.
When I used an AT&T branded smart phone, within the last few months they will automatically place me on a smart phone data plan. When I used none AT&T smart phones, they don’t know what’s going on.
While using the AT&T smart phone I would call and update my IMEI to a Motorola RAZR IMEI, within two hour or so of use it would switch back. I did this several times, each time it would switch back automatically when I started using the smart phone.
If I use a none AT&T smart phone, there was no problems, they accepted the RAZR IMEI never changed it at all.
I’m not smart enough to tell you how they are getting this info from their phones, I thought it was when I connected via HSDPA/HSUPA but I disabled that and there were still able to tell with I used the AT&T phone.
On the legality of them changing your plan if you read their terms of use, it clearly states if you have a Smart Phone, Iphone, or Blackberry you must have a smart phone data plan of $30 & up. Under contract or not, if you use their service you must comply with their terms of use. But this is America, and if people make enough noise about this it may cause them to change their ways. But these terms of use is similar to most of the major carrier if not all.
What do you do?
Use an AT&T phone smart phone and get charged for the smart phone data plan. Make lots of noise with AT&T and see what it gets you, gets us.
Use a NONE AT&T smart phone use the cheap unlimited data plan.
The AT&T phones I tested were the Fuze, Pure, & IPhones 3GS, all had the smart phone plan added even when I provide the IMEI or the RAZR.
The phones I’ve tested from T-Mobile are the Touch Pro2, G1, & Dash 3G, plus countless amounts of none branded AT&T phones I’ve used in the past.
I’m currently using the T-Mobile Touch Pro2, $15 data plan, AT&T recognizes my phone on their site under my account as a RAZR V3.
I'll pay someone $100 to get my Evo running on Boost Mobile pay as you go plan. I'd need at least calls, web, and GPS fully working. You be able to use a remote desktop connection to access my computer/phone.
Please no more bounty threads. All they do is create chaos and confusion. If you do a little searching, you'll see that someone already posted a solution here yesterday.
First it was the $10 fee, then trying to root 2.2. Now the latest flood of threads deal with "I'll pay someone to do this..."
bludragon742 said:
Please no more bounty threads. All they do is create chaos and confusion. If you do a little searching, you'll see that someone already posted a solution here yesterday.
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As far as I'm aware, no one has posted a solution to using this on Boost Mobile. I've seen for MetroPCS, but not Boost Mobile.
Solution: Go to boost mobile store and ask them yo activate your phone on their network.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
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Solution: Go to boost mobile store and ask them yo activate your phone on their network.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
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I wish it was that simple, they won't do it.
There have been three threads posted this week on this very topic. The answer was given in this post.
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As far as I'm aware, no one has posted a solution to using this on Boost Mobile. I've seen for MetroPCS, but not Boost Mobile.
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There have been three threads posted this week on this very topic. The answer was given in this post.
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That's not a valid method, for one it has not been tested for the Evo. The other reason it's not valid is because it tells you to sign up at the Sprint website. You do not handle Boost Mobile accounts through Sprint's website.
Found a guy on Craigslist that can make the hero and touch pro 2 work on boost mobile he charges $25 I don't see why would this be so impossible to do.
Sent from 2.2 Evo 4G
ek9manr said:
Found a guy on Craigslist that can make the hero and touch pro 2 work on boost mobile he charges $25 I don't see why would this be so impossible to do.
Sent from 2.2 Evo 4G
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Can you post a link to the ad, please?
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That's not a valid method, for one it has not been tested for the Evo. The other reason it's not valid is because it tells you to sign up at the Sprint website. You do not handle Boost Mobile accounts through Sprint's website.
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You can't say it's an invalid method just because you don't understand how it works. Sprint owns Boost, and because Boost phones use Sprint's network, Sprint has all Boost phone esn's in it's database.
However, with that being said, I've done some more research and it looks like only phones that work on "legacy plans" can be ported to Boost. That means all new phones that require the "Everything Whatever" plans cannot be switched to a "legacy" plan, as all Boost services are considered "legacy" by the Sprint database. This is hard coded into the system and new esn's will automatically be rejected.
It looks like the only way to get your EVO on Boost is by cloning the esn of a Boost CDMA phone. You probably won't get much help here for that because it's illegal.
CL add link in atlanta
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/mob/2062427507.html
Here are people that can do it for you i still want a way to do it myself though.
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Here are people that can do it for you i still want a way to do it myself though.
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Way to bring a thread that's been dead for three months back to life, so I'll just leave this here in hopes that we won't see anymore of these "help me get my evo working on boost mobile" threads.
The process to get an evo working on boost mobile invloves cloning esn's. And it doesn't matter if it's your own esn or not - the FCC sees this as a federal offense, and nobody on XDA should assist with this in any way.
This is what the FCC has to say about it;
Fraud
Cellular fraud is defined as the unauthorized use, tampering, or manipulation of a cellular phone or service. Cellular industry estimates indicate that carriers lose millions per year to cellular fraud, with the principal cause being subscription fraud. Subscriber fraud occurs when a subscriber signs up for service with fraudulently obtained customer information or false identification.
In the past, cloning of cellular phones was a major concern. A cloned cellular telephone is one that has been reprogrammed to transmit the electronic serial number (ESN) and telephone number (MIN) belonging to another (legitimate) cellular telephone. Unscrupulous persons obtain valid ESN/MIN combinations by illegally monitoring the transmissions from the cellular telephones of legitimate subscribers. Each cellular telephone is supposed to have a unique factory-set ESN. After cloning, however, because both cellular telephones have the same ESN/MIN combination, cellular systems cannot distinguish the cloned cellular telephone from the legitimate one.
The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software. The cellular equipment manufacturing industry has deployed authentication systems that have proven to be a very effective countermeasure to cloning. Authentication supplements the use of the ESN and MIN with a changing encrypted code that can not be obtained by off-the-air monitoring.
^ +1
Even though you OWN both phones (donor and EVO) you are still breaking the law cloning. I would just take the EVO to Cricket or MetroPCS which allows the device without braking the law...
I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
This is old news and not true anymore.
Tapatalk is good
This was fixed more than a month ago, and isn't true anymore.
Enjoy your Note!
JFizDaWiz said:
I see quite a few posts about the note IMEI not being in AT&T systems and how you can get around smartphone data plans or what not....
The note IMEI is in AT&T systems, we had to because our systems for whatever reason categorized out as a tablet mistakingly and caused a lot of people to lose their data plans as they were "incorrect"
Just a heads up for anyone.
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Our IMEI's are not in AT&T's system. What had happened is that some of our Note's (not all) happened to coincide with an erroneously entered range of IMEI's in AT&T's database. It was down to human error.
I work for AT&T And I talk to note users and it shows up as the n7000
Sent from my SGH-T989 using xda premium
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
Maroon Mushroom said:
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
maxh said:
As already mentioned above, one of the members here contacted some AT&T execs and made them aware of the problem. AT&T discovered that when entering IMEI numbers for a certain 10" galaxy tab into their database, they messed one up, transposing 2 digits. This erroneous number range just so happened to coincide with a range of Galaxy Note IMEIs. That caused some Note owners to have their device identified as a 10" galaxy tab. They have since fixed the database error, so Notes are no longer being identified as tablets.
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
maxh said:
Whether or not the proper IMEIs for international Notes are in their system, I don't know. However, when I log onto my online account management, the system doesn't recognize my phone. It shows a generic flip phone. When I go to manage features, the only data options it gives me are the dumbphone data plans; $15 for unlimited. This leads me to believe that AT&T does NOT have the international Notes' IMEIs in their system. Sure, the system may somehow be capable of telling the rep that the phone model is reported as N-7000, but the system clearly doesn't "know" that it's a smartphone.
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You summed it up perfectly. My experience as well.
Maroon Mushroom said:
And your EFS folder hasn't been wiped? When did you get your phone?
I personally experienced the issue on my own Galaxy Note just 3 weeks ago where it was showing up as a tablet.
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My EFS folder is virgin, untouched. I got my Note at the beginning of November.
I talked personally with an AT&T product manager about this very issue. Here was his response:
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I just spoke with our supply chain team and we figured out the issue – a digit was transposed when we loaded in a set of IMEI TAC ranges to our systems in October and this resulted in classifying a subset of Samsung Galaxy Note products erroneously. Your IMEI range was not impacted and your product will work without issue and without concern of losing your unlimited smartphone data plan experience.
To be clear, you have not actually received any “alerts” from AT&T about data plan eligibility because you have not moved your SIM card into the Samsung Galaxy Note product as of yet? You can do so without issue at this time.
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As if the imminent launch news hasn't confirmed this, despite what people think on the internet, it's not a tablet according to AT&T. No EFS trickery necessary.
Maroon Mushroom said:
As an AT&T employee, I can also confirm this.
Although this has been well documented for the last couple months.
Right now the best way around it is to backup and then wipe your EFS folder.
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Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Not all international IMEI's were affected. I too have an untouched /efs folder, and I haven't run into any issues. Been two weeks so far. The system does however know that I have a GT-N7000 though.
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AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
dwboston said:
AT&T knows what devices we are using. The IMEI is logged every time your phone turns on and connects to a tower. Just because OLAM may show a generic flip phone when you are using an unlocked device doesn't mean that AT&T doesn't really know what it is. They just haven't chosen to tie the two systems together for billing/tracking purposes.
There was a thread on HoFo a few years back where folks were bragging about AT&T having no clue about their unlocked unbranded smartphones while on the $15 MediaNet plan. A CSR posted the link to an AT&T/Cingular website (it was publicly available) where you input either your phone number or the IMEI and it returned exactly what device you were using. So they know.
I'm not convinced it's a huge issue for them either, beyond going after huge data users/tetherers. The percent of customers using unlocked phones on their network is likely tiny. The vast majority of cellular users in the US aren't even aware of unlocked phones and even if they were, most wouldn't pay the upfront costs to buy one. De la Vega said as much in the Engadget interview a couple of years ago. This is a problem for enthusiasts only. As much as AT&T gets maligned in the press (mostly due to the old iPhone/network issues which I'm convinced were 100% the fault of the iPhone and it's lousy "air interface"), I'm impressed that they took care of this issue with the unlocked Notes and the incorrect IMEIs so quickly. They really had no reason or incentive to do so, especially with their own version of the Note coming so quickly thereafter.
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Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
Jade Eyed Wolf said:
Not that it affects me directly, yet, but as an unlimited data user, I really do dislike US carriers' move towards tiered data policies and throttling, at least in principle. That said, I guess I'm not really opposed to it as long as it is merely a stop-gap solution to buy them some time while they simply focus on upgrading their capacity in order to be capable of managing the ensuing tsunami of high-volume mobile data users.
I guarantee that if carriers (not just AT&T) re-introduced unlimited data access devoid of any kind of throttling and so forth, the "top 5% of data users" figure would jump significantly, especially with LTE. More and more, wireless carriers are becoming common ISP's, and voice and text features are getting less important to people as the importance of data rises in the general public.
Personally, I think the best solution for consumers would be service bought and paid for through Google or Apple or RIM or Nokia, but on carrier agnostic devices.
Think about it this way:
Imagine you buy a Google Nexus device, and rather than paying VZW, or Sprint, or AT&T, or T-Mobile for your service, you pay Google instead. Google would in turn have service agreements with the carriers, so you wouldn't have direct interaction with them anymore. And now, your phone simply connects to whatever network is providing you the best service in any particular area, whether it be any of the carriers mentioned above, or maybe even to just a WiFi hotspot, and the transition to and from all those different carriers and technologies would be totally transparent to the user. It'd be like the ultimate MNVO!
Republic of Wireless is already headed in this direction, and it would be amazing to see it gain some traction and get even bigger!
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I agree it would be fantastic. The US wireless carriers are deathly afraid of becoming dumb pipes. It's their own fault they haven't managed to come up with a value-added service beyond the network itself.
I think it's more likely that Google does something like buy T-Mobile and combine that network with Google's fiber optic network to get nationwide coverage. It's unlikely, but one can dream right?