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does anyone know the sprint hero price without contract?

I'm looking to upgrade from my dream to the hero.
The phone from Sprint is 180 w/ contract.
I want to get the phone and unlock it.
Does anyone know how much the phone Withought the contract is?
Thanks in advance

Sprint is a CDMA network. It doesn't use SIM card, and the user data is stored on the phone. You cannot use it on other networks.
So getting it without contract is just... without contract. You need to be on Sprint's network for it to work.

well looks like im switching to sprint lol
sorry for my ignorance

tsekh501 said:
Sprint is a CDMA network. It doesn't use SIM card, and the user data is stored on the phone. You cannot use it on other networks.
So getting it without contract is just... without contract. You need to be on Sprint's network for it to work.
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Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.

$599
Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637

JBachman said:
Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.
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Theoretically you can swap the radio chip inside and add a sim card slot too add GSM support too. I don't want to waste time arguing with you on that, but if you do know how to unlock a Sprint CDMA phone to use on Verizon yourself, congrats, you can make big bucks with that knowledge.
BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.

tsekh501 said:
Theoretically you can swap the radio chip inside and add a sim card slot too add GSM support too. I don't want to waste time arguing with you on that, but if you do know how to unlock a Sprint CDMA phone to use on Verizon yourself, congrats, you can make big bucks with that knowledge.
BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.
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that's not true, if you are downloading something and someone calls the download stops and the call is recieved. atleast that is how it has worked with my touch pro, vogue, and titan.

pknyo said:
Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637
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Yah I'm just going to add a line, cancel my current line with the Palm Pre and good enough. Gotta love Google Voice.
Figure I can maybe sell my Pre for the cost of the ETF. Although there isn't much demand for them for obvious reasons.

JBachman said:
Ummmm.... JUst cause it's a CDMA network, doesn't limit it to Sprint. It can be unlocked & flased to Metro PCS, US Cellular, Page Plus, Virgin, Verizion and numerous other local or regional CDMA networks. Just need to have the know-how.
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As I understand, CDMA networks need to register the ESN of your device to their network, but most CDMA networks (at least Sprint and Verizon) no longer allow the registration of ESNs that were originally registered to other networks. Apparently Verizon used to allow 3rd party ESNs, but no longer do this, but I cannot find any "official" confirmation of this.
i.e. if you have a Sprint phone, it will have a Sprint ESN and Verizon would refuse to add this to their database.
I believe there are methods to clone another ESN onto a new phone, but I've no idea how "legal" this is.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
As I understand, CDMA networks need to register the ESN of your device to their network, but most CDMA networks (at least Sprint and Verizon) no longer allow the registration of ESNs that were originally registered to other networks. Apparently Verizon used to allow 3rd party ESNs, but no longer do this, but I cannot find any "official" confirmation of this.
i.e. if you have a Sprint phone, it will have a Sprint ESN and Verizon would refuse to add this to their database.
I believe there are methods to clone another ESN onto a new phone, but I've no idea how "legal" this is.
Regards,
Dave
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I never made mention of the legalities of the process.... I was just stating that it can be done. I do it for Metro phones all the time. I also "heard" it is possible to unlock unlimited data for smartphones on Metro as well.....

tsekh501 said:
BTW, to those who are considering getting onto Sprint for the Hero, note that Sprint's network cannot do voice and data simultaneously, so if you are downloading stuff, you won't be able to receive. It's like the GPRS problem on GSM network, it's just that current Sprint network faces that problem even on 3G.
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A lot of people don't care about that, so stop trying to pee on Sprint and claim it's raining. Geez... If i'm Youtube(ing) and a call comes in, fine, i take the call, finish the call and then continue what i was doing.

pknyo said:
Bestbuy`s going to charge $599 to buy it out right. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9509784&type=product&id=1218120547637
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This is BestBuy's modus operandi..which is charging more (lots more) than even Sprint's MSRP. So if one is considering buying at full price without contact, go to Sprint directly. The flip side is that they usually have better new/upgrade-contract prices than Sprint since BestBuy doesn't do mail-in-rebates, they make it instant.
Some folks on spintusers.com are claiming $429.99 Sprint full price.

LordLugard said:
This is BestBuy's modus operandi..which is charging more (lots more) than even Sprint's MSRP. So if one is considering buying at full price without contact, go to Sprint directly. The flip side is that they usually have better new/upgrade-contract prices than Sprint since BestBuy doesn't do mail-in-rebates, they make it instant.
Some folks on spintusers.com are claiming $429.99 Sprint full price.
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Yes, Sprint is charging $429.99 full retail. At least according to their own website.
http://www.sprint.com/hero (read the fine print)
And why the F is Best Buy charging so damn much??!! That is just rediculous! Doesn't best buy do price matching?? Couldn't I go into a store and say hey, sprint is only charging 429.99, hook me up?

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Can ATT force me into a data plan?

There has been a lot of talk about ATT bull**** N1 people into data plan.
However, if I buy a normal phone from them, 2 years contract with DATA BLOCK.
Insert the sim onto the New Nexus ATT version
Can they force me into a data plan? (I mean, I am not using their data service at all, not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30)
So can they still force me?
I hope they don't, but if they do, I am going straight to ABC News and have a field day with the media.

NexusX said:
There has been a lot of talk about ATT bull**** N1 people into data plan.
However, if I buy a normal phone from them, 2 years contract with DATA BLOCK.
Insert the sim onto the New Nexus ATT version
Can they force me into a data plan? (I mean, I am not using their data service at all, not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30)
So can they still force me?
I hope they don't, but if they do, I am going straight to ABC News and have a field day with the media.
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no how would they know you have a Nexus ? if you don't tell them ? just swap you phone and it should work fine

shwan_3 said:
no how would they know you have a Nexus ? if you don't tell them ? just swap you phone and it should work fine
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I beg to differ... the IMEI of every phone is different. It identifies the manufacturer, model and other characteristics of the phone (Smartphone or Dumbphone). Based on this information, AT&T has recently sent notifications to "unlocked Smartphone" users telling them that they are required to get a Data Plan. The AT&T support forum is full of folks complaining that they have received this warning and have subsequently been put on data plans. Below is the URL to a typical thread on this issue.
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=gsmgprs&thread.id=28657

They can see the IMEI of the device on the network. The first 8 digits (the TAC) give the Make/Model info. So, that said, they always know what device you're using.

Yes they can... I have had an iphone since the second month they were out. I purchased an iphone 3g off of craigslist and then a 3gs and just kept moving the Sim card to each phone. Over the last few months I have texts and emails from them saying I have to upgrade my data plan... My contracted ended over a year ago lol.
Was waiting for the supersonic but I just bought this ATT Nexus. will switch the Sim and see how they react. LOL

My plan expired 3 years ago and I move my sim all the time. It so great not to be on a plan. I used a G1 for over a year and an N1 since the first day they came out. I never received any notifications about anything. I do have a PDA plan so maybe that's the difference.

i've got two smart phones(nokia n95 and htc polaris) on att's family data plan for $10 each, and have for over 2 years now. will att change it to the $30 data plan once i get my nexus 1?

Good chance. I'm not going to say 'likely' but, good chance.
If ATT carries the phone - they will likely scan for it on the network at some point. It's just a matter of time.
Folks like mlott who already have an expanded dataplan (not the $10 one) should be fine.

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The Commission considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software
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3. The Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act creates a number of offences relating to the electronic identifiers of mobile wireless communications devices. In particular it becomes an offence to reprogramme the unique International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) number which identifies a mobile telephone handset. It is also possible to interfere with the operation of the IMEI by the addition of a small electronic chip to the handset and this too is made illegal.
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So, federally

Yeah I am interested in the hiding your IMEI too. I know this was done on Iphone, but anything on android? given how programmable these Android are, is it possible?
I mean faking MAC address was said to be impossible in the beginning, but now you can do it with a flip of a registry on windows.

I don't know if it's possible, but ring up ATT and ask for the "smartphone exclusion" feature on your line. Apparently, the ATT scanner is honoring that and NOT adding plans to those types of lines.
(Please google for more info before you do this.)

i have the N1 (TMobile version) on ATT right now and i have the smartphone exclusion so i never got one of those texts requiring me to get the data plan (others using the N1 on ATT were getting this texts and were forced to add the $30 plan); also, i recently called ATT and added data block on my line; they still think that i have my older phone (blackberry) as that showed up on their system
but i don't know how they will work on this new N1; also, i want to know if i get the AT&T version, will they take off the Data Block feature from my line

They can probably tell very easily what phone you are on. I called T-Mobile (yea yea, not ATT but still) a few days after I got my N1 on launch day to transfer the insurance or whatever, and when I was talking to the rep, he said "so you are calling from your new Nexus One." I didnt say a word about what phone I was on So if T-Mobile can tell what phone is calling them, I can only imagine ATT can too.
They will likely force you into some sort of data plan.

staulkor said:
They can probably tell very easily what phone you are on. I called T-Mobile (yea yea, not ATT but still) a few days after I got my N1 on launch day to transfer the insurance or whatever, and when I was talking to the rep, he said "so you are calling from your new Nexus One." I didnt say a word about what phone I was on So if T-Mobile can tell what phone is calling them, I can only imagine ATT can too.
They will likely force you into some sort of data plan.
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that may be true, but they can't forced me onto a plan because i have the smartphone exclusion grandfathered into my line and i just added the data block
ATT system doesn't have the TMobile N1 imei; hell, i've been with ATT since 2005 with family plan and they still don't have the right phones for 3 of the numbers in their system

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So, federally
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Luckily for us in the United States, IMEI is not ESN. I have not been able to find anything showing that changing IMEI #s is illegal here, and nobody else has been able to show me any either. We don't use IMEIs to blacklist phones like they do in other countries, so it's not illegal to change them. We do use ESNs that way so it is illegal to change those.

I think it really all depends on whether or not Google gave AT&T a file with all the IMEIs for the AT&T band N1s.
I do know that AT&T has no idea what phone I'm using currently (see sig), but knows immediately when I put my sim into a branded phone (tried w/iPhone, HTC Pure & Pantech Matrix Pro). Not only have I confirmed this over the phone, but I've confimed it by logging into my account after putting a sim into a branded phone, and seeing the phone pop up. No such thing happens with my unbranded phone and unbranded phones I've used in the past.

mazzarin said:
I don't know if it's possible, but ring up ATT and ask for the "smartphone exclusion" feature on your line. Apparently, the ATT scanner is honoring that and NOT adding plans to those types of lines.
(Please google for more info before you do this.)
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The smartphone exclusion plan is now being phased out internally. They are no longer authorizing reps to add lines into that category as of two months. I think it have something to do with the Nexus One launch?
This I got as 'news' from an AT&T rep direct.

NexusX said:
not trying to cheat them for a $15 data plan vs $30
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How is this "cheating" them ? They offer unlimited data at 2G speeds and you pay them for it.
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So can they still force me?
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If they want to they can. Not all companies are anti-evil. Cingular is long dead now.

Ok here the way it works, well for me. I'm on the AT&T network, I'm been out of contract for 10 years. In those 10 years I've always used a smart phone.
When I used an AT&T branded smart phone, within the last few months they will automatically place me on a smart phone data plan. When I used none AT&T smart phones, they don’t know what’s going on.
While using the AT&T smart phone I would call and update my IMEI to a Motorola RAZR IMEI, within two hour or so of use it would switch back. I did this several times, each time it would switch back automatically when I started using the smart phone.
If I use a none AT&T smart phone, there was no problems, they accepted the RAZR IMEI never changed it at all.
I’m not smart enough to tell you how they are getting this info from their phones, I thought it was when I connected via HSDPA/HSUPA but I disabled that and there were still able to tell with I used the AT&T phone.
On the legality of them changing your plan if you read their terms of use, it clearly states if you have a Smart Phone, Iphone, or Blackberry you must have a smart phone data plan of $30 & up. Under contract or not, if you use their service you must comply with their terms of use. But this is America, and if people make enough noise about this it may cause them to change their ways. But these terms of use is similar to most of the major carrier if not all.
What do you do?
Use an AT&T phone smart phone and get charged for the smart phone data plan. Make lots of noise with AT&T and see what it gets you, gets us.
Use a NONE AT&T smart phone use the cheap unlimited data plan.
The AT&T phones I tested were the Fuze, Pure, & IPhones 3GS, all had the smart phone plan added even when I provide the IMEI or the RAZR.
The phones I’ve tested from T-Mobile are the Touch Pro2, G1, & Dash 3G, plus countless amounts of none branded AT&T phones I’ve used in the past.
I’m currently using the T-Mobile Touch Pro2, $15 data plan, AT&T recognizes my phone on their site under my account as a RAZR V3.

AT&T set to aquire T-mobile for $39 billion

I've been a T-Mobile customer for seven or eight years now and have never regretted a moment of it. These people have always gone above and beyond to make me feel like I was worth something to them as a customer and a person. I haven't had to contact them often, but when I did, I always knew I would hang up the phone with a smile on my face. T-Mobile US has one of the best customer service departments in the world in terms of customer satisfaction. If I were planning to commit suicide, I would probably call T-Mobile, since I know they would be able to talk me down.
On the flip side of this is AT&T, with whom I've had some of the worst customer service and just service in general in all of my life. I started out with my first cellular device through Cingular Wireless. I wouldn't say they were the best service (they were far from it), but most of my friends and family were on the network and it was in the early days of the talk for free within the network deals. AT&T came along a few years later and ruined any creditability Cingular Wireless had provided me. When the networks in my area finally were updated to EDGE through AT&T, I immediately began having problems with dropped calls and spastic data rates. Calling to complain about this service garnered me a generic response from them along the lines of "What do you want me to do about it?" The customer should not be the one who suggests that the cellular connection to the tower needs to be reset.
After a full year of waiting out my contract and the remainder of my patience with them, I began searching for an alternative solution. I narrowed down my list to All-Tel and T-Mobile for their outstanding customer service. T-Mobile won me over, since, at the time, I was using my HP iPAQ hw6945 (HTC Sable), and needed a GSM network. Since that day, I have constantly raved about their phenomenal customer service, support and network speed. I was also blown away by their astonishingly competitive pricing.
I am currently paying the same $50 for service that I was when I signed up initially. I have a plan consisting of 1000 minutes a month (unlimited for me), unlimited text, and unlimited data ($30+$10+$10). This data plan also includes tethering for free. I haven't been under a contract with them since the first year I was with them, as it was required. I have never been hassled about updating my terms of service, or anything of the sort. It has been one completely happy ride other than the spotty 3G coverage which has been growing rapidly.
With all of this considered, I must say that I am completely shocked and appalled that the company is being sold off to the only other GSM network in the country with a national footprint: AT&T. Though the transaction isn't completely finalized yet, I see no reason why the FCC would oppose this as the also let Verizon's "Net Neutrality" rules pass, even though they were completely one-sided.
Other than customer service from AT&T (or lack thereof, rather), this also presents yet another problem for the customers of T-Mobile: 4G. We will now be set to move into AT&T's field of using LTE instead of HSPA+ or WiMax for our 4G coverage. For those of you who don't already know, LTE is not the happy trail to the Internet you may think.
The LTE standard was designed with carriers in mind, not consumers. This means that the format allows carriers to control the content they show you. You will begin seeing tiered data plans with access to partial content coming soon as the networks expand. For example, if you decide to get the cheapest data plan, you will not only be limited in maximum data caps, but also certain things like YouTube may be filtered out of your service because you would have to pay extra for it. AT&T and Verizon have already come out and said that this will happen with services like Skype and YouTube. WiMax does none of this as it was intended to be an open format set up with end users in mind. HSPA+ simply doesn't support the concept.
Am I the only one concerned here? I think if this does go through, I'll be booking it over the Sprint. I am not fond of CDMA networks, but it's FAR better than the alternative.
Sources:
Lots of good LTE vs. WiMax links in this thread
AT&T/T-Mobile US acquisition details

AT&T is taking over T- Mobile.

Well said Cajunflavoredbob. I went through similar experiences that you speak of. Like I said in another thread, after AT&T stuck me hard, I vowed never to give them my business again. Now after hearing this news, I will end up eating my own words!
I have the Touch Pro2 (T-mobile brand) and I really like this phone, especially after the modified ROMs here on this site. I have no intention to get another phone. So now I have to wait until this deal gets finalized and then determine if keeping this phone is worth going through the headaches with AT&T all over again.

All plans will be grandfathered. Also better service coverage too, so I don't think it will be so bad. I hope we can use At&t frequency phones on a T-Mobile service.

We have so many threads about this topic.

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Care to share which ones? I looked through this forum and hadn't found a single one talking about the acquisition. If I had, then I wouldn't have started this thread. If there are threads about it in other areas of the site, then there isn't much I can do about that as those threads would be in the wrong place. This thread was started to allow open general discussion of the subject. Obviously, if threads you may be referring to are in device specific forums, then not everyone is going to see them.

I don't know much about the world of mergers except I read that this one will take at least 12 months. Is this a done deal? Or is there something sufficiently monopolistic about it that could run into legal troubles?
Jake

jakfish said:
I don't know much about the world of mergers except I read that this one will take at least 12 months. Is this a done deal? Or is there something sufficiently monopolistic about it that could run into legal troubles?
Jake
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The deal could take up to a year to finalize if it is allowed. This acquisition would make AT&T the only nation wide GSM carrier. AT&T is also looking to acquire more radio spectrum from Qualcomm who had those FloTV things for a while that bombed. It still has a lot of red tape to go through, but, honestly, I doubt that it will run into much opposition unfortunately. The other downside to this is that we now know that DT is looking to offload T-Mobile US to the highest bidder. Before this, there was a rumor about Sprint trying to acquire the company. I doubt Sprint can afford the price tag on T-Mobile now that AT&T has set the bar. It is a loose-loose situation for T-Mobile customers. No matter what happens, Big Daddy is still putting up TMoUS for sale. The question now becomes, who will get it in the end?

if this goes through im going to Sprint because i hate AT&T AND dont like the idea of youtube being a premium service on Verizon. but isnt this deal like monopoly. i doubt the US government will allow this too happen without some legal troubles and a lot of money being payed to the government.

The only positive things I can see out of this, are that a) it's a true gsm marriage, which continues to maintain a world flavor to the phone and b) AT&T will have boatload of different bands: 1700, 2100, and whatever AT&T uses. That should free up 4G considerably.
Had T-Mobile and Sprint gotten together, I just can't see the CDMA-GSM thing. What were they going to use, half a sim card?
But I'm old enough to remember the bad AT&T days and can't feel that these will be any better.
Jake

AT&T is not that bad..lol

I have been with T-mobile since the company was Voicestream... Im hurt to see DT sell us out like this I hope google will outbid AT&T because I dont like any of the other cellular providers.

Androidboy35961 said:
AT&T is not that bad..lol
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I am very glad to hear someone speak well of AT&T, because my personal experience has not been good. I am convinced that CFB is dead-on with his assessment about why they purchased T-Mobile (his LTE argument). This is NOT even remotely good for the consumer.
I know only one person who has been happy with Sprint (out of dozens), but they seem to be the least restrictive which may force me to give them another try. But they'll probably have the same indoor reception issues Verizon has - CDMA doesn't penetrate walls as well as GSM does. It's kind of funny: we have two groups of people huddled outside the office doors - smokers and Verizons customers.

FWIW:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03...es-but-will-consumers-see-the-benefit/?hpt=T2

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FWIW:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03...es-but-will-consumers-see-the-benefit/?hpt=T2
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I read that this morning before leaving for work. It doesn't help to ease my tensions about the acquisition.

Given that it's a Republican, hence laissez faire, House, I can't see them stopping this merger, but the initial political chatter is very much against it. That could be nothing more than posturing for constituents, but for AT&T to take over 80% of the mobile market in one fell swoop, politicians are really going to have to look the other way.
They often do, however,
Jake

. The question now becomes said:
Well stated, and an apt analogy! That is as well the conundrum of the new prisoners at the state prison...
ATT will play the part of Bubba perfectly!
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Everybody needs to take a deep, deep breath and calm down. We're a two cellular carrier household; T-Mobile and AT&T. According to T-Mobile at their home page they addressed several questions one being our current devices and plans and they said they will honor them. For many of us who have been with T-Mobile for example were with two other companies in the SE USA - PowerTel and VoiceStream. It was no secret Deutsch TeleComm had been shopping T-Mobile USA around for quite some time and their statement reflects they will be concentrating with their business in the countries of Germany and other European countries. Current trends suggest AT&T has a 50-50 chance at obtaining T-Mobile USA; however their lobby in Washington is strong and there has been no hint from the Obama administration to curtail this merger as other big name mergers have yet to be turned down. There will be stipulations and this will be watched very carefully. Judging my the speed which this has moved in the past two days, much of the legwork prior to announcement seems to had been done well in advance. Whether we like it or not; we're at the whelm of these companies and they are going to do what is in their best interest and we're all along for the ride; we have a choice whether we like it or not, it's whether there are enough of us after the two companies merge.

jakfish said:
Given that it's a Republican, hence laissez faire, House, I can't see them stopping this merger, but the initial political chatter is very much against it. That could be nothing more than posturing for constituents, but for AT&T to take over 80% of the mobile market in one fell swoop, politicians are really going to have to look the other way.
They often do, however,
Jake
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It actually not on the Republicans this time. Democrats are the ones fighting for a nation-wide broadband network. This merger would be the basis for that goal. Our president has outlined this several times before. I would not be surprised in the least if AT&T becomes a monopoly...again. It's not that they would look the other way, it's more about will they allow it to happen to further their goal? I'm all for a national broadband infrastructure, but AT&T is NOT the way to achieve that.

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Everybody needs to take a deep, deep breath and calm down. We're a two cellular carrier household; T-Mobile and AT&T. According to T-Mobile at their home page they addressed several questions one being our current devices and plans and they said they will honor them. For many of us who have been with T-Mobile for example were with two other companies in the SE USA - PowerTel and VoiceStream. It was no secret Deutsch TeleComm had been shopping T-Mobile USA around for quite some time and their statement reflects they will be concentrating with their business in the countries of Germany and other European countries. Current trends suggest AT&T has a 50-50 chance at obtaining T-Mobile USA; however their lobby in Washington is strong and there has been no hint from the Obama administration to curtail this merger as other big name mergers have yet to be turned down. There will be stipulations and this will be watched very carefully. Judging my the speed which this has moved in the past two days, much of the legwork prior to announcement seems to had been done well in advance. Whether we like it or not; we're at the whelm of these companies and they are going to do what is in their best interest and we're all along for the ride; we have a choice whether we like it or not, it's whether there are enough of us after the two companies merge.
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Well, more than anything, this is a financial move for DT. They get a payout no matter what happens. If the merger goes through, they will get an 8% stake in AT&T as well as a DT board member on AT&T's board of directors. Even if the deal falls through by some chance, T-Mobile gets $3 billion, a roaming agreement, and a hefty chunk of spectrum for AT&T, just for doing nothing. Either way, DT wins. No matter what, T-Mobile customers loose.

Note vs 7.7 on ATT, opinions welcomed

So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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adinis78 said:
So ATT is advertizing as having the Note and on the commercial is states the device as being a phone and a tab, so why will they not allow the 7.7 to run on their system the same way? I am not an ATT customer but if i were and had both devices i would be extremelly upset if they were giving me a hard time with the 7.7. Please share your thoughts.
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I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.

I used Straight Talk for the Note I had. I also have the 7.7 6800 (WiFi only).
My Razr is my go to phone. The Note is too big for a phone and too small for a tablet IMHO. The Note, to me, was a fun toy and that was about it. Now when the waccom tech comes out for the 7.7/8.9/10.1 Tabs and if they have 3G/LTE/Data capabilities, I think the Note will all but become useless.
I've had quite a few Galaxy Tabs, but the Note just felt cheaply made to me. It was nice don't get me wrong, but nothing like the others I've had. Also the price to play w/ an International Note is not worth it when looking back on it.
I'd get a 7.7 International 3G if I were you. Many people have reported using it w/ AT&T and if you want to use it as a phone just use a bluetooth headset. Save your money and don't buy a Note.
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I have both devices on AT&T. No issues using either (both are unlocked and international).
7.7 is my primary daily driver. Note is cool and all, but without ICS, it kinda sucks compared to the 7.7, especially for web browsing.
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I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.

got556 said:
I had the leaked Chinese ROM on my Note and was sorely disappointed with Samsung's TW'd ICS...
RocketROM was better, smoother, clocked higher, etc.
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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.

The 7.7 would be perfect it it has an S-pen and the note is just an amazing device for drawing and note taking.

To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about here. What major issues do you think people are having by running an unlocked 7.7 on AT&T? I've been doing this since January with no issues whatsoever (apart from having been throttled, but that's neither here nor there).

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To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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What are "major issues"? I'm using an unlocked international 6800 on AT&T with no issues at all. Are they sending you messages about not using it or changing your plan?

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TBH, I'm not so interested in ICS for using it as a phone on the Note; I want to mod the DPI so that the Note behaves in tablet mode instead. Been doing that with CM9, and I can't go back. I love it! Until there's a fully functioning ICS ROM for the Note that will allow me to run in Tablet mode, I'm sticking to my 7.7. Oh and by fully functioning, I mean everything from S-Pen to MHL, to USB OTG, etc.
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The Chinese Rom w/ 240 DPI was pretty stable for me. And I too don't understand what major issues you think AT&T users are having. Many of us have stated multiple times there are no issues.

There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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There are many people that get messages that their tab is unsupported and need to change plan and stuff like that. The 7.7 is both a tab and a phone so is the Note, so why would the ATT branded version of the Note be OK to use but the 7.7 won't be. I am talking about those that get a sim with voice and data and insert it on the 7.7 and then start getting messages stating they need to change plan but if they use that same sim on an ATT branded Note they will not have that issue. I hope people can understand what I am trying to point out. Why does ATT have an issue with the tab working like the Note.
EDIT : another reason I started this is because there is another thread about ATT blocking the 3G data on their tabs while using an old sim that already has 3G service. I know that their are work arounds to this but I am sure that if that same sim where to be put into the ATT branded Note it would not be a problem so why is it with tab, again the tab and Note are essentially the same device.
Will not try to continue this thread if people are not getting what I am trying to point out.
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Mainly, because AT&T doesn't sell the 7.7 but they do sell the Note. That's really it. They're not getting any cash from Samsung when you use the 7.7 on their network. You should be able to add an APN named "Broadband" to your to continue to use data.

Ok, I consider myself to be somewhat of an AT&T expert here, so let me set some things straight:
If you have an unlimited data plan for NON-smartphones ($15/month), then AT&T is likely to get nasty with you.
If you have an unlimited data plan for iPhone, or Blackberry, ($30/month), then AT&T will likely ask you to switch to an unlimited smartphone data plan for the same price, but you can continue to use that with no issues, apart from the throttling woes that ALL grandfathered unlimited users are experiencing.
If you already have an unlimited smartphone plan ($30/month), you should have no issues again, apart from the aforementioned throttling issues.
These legacy unlimited plans should only work with the Phone and the wap.cingular APN's. The Broadband APN shouldn't work, nor should the pta APN (unless you're on an unlimited LTE plan).
The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.

Essentially it is all about money and how much they can get out of you.
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AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."

adinis78 said:
To be clear I do have the import 7.7and using straight talk. I wanted to get everybodies opinions on as to why ATT has no issues running their version of the Note as phone and tab but has major issues running the 7.7 which is pretty much the same as Note just bigger size.
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the major issuses people had was when we tried to use a go-phone sim card in the 7.7 and the data did not work. As far as i know regular att plans work fine and i can confim that tablet data plans work if you care.
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The more modern plans (tiered plans) should all work just fine without any issues. The Broadband APN on those plans should only work if you have a tethering add-on.
AT&T is a GSM provider, and as such, to remain GSM compliant, they need to allow unlocked devices to work on their network, whether they like it or not.
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The broadband apn works for tablet specific data plans
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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it

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Do the actually dislike it, though? I mean, sure, you don't have to sign a contract to use an unlocked phone, but as long as you're still paying the same monthly service fee as everyone else, why would they care? (Of course if you're abusing the medianet plan, then I can understand them trying to crack down.) They still have a paying customer AND they don't have to pay a phone subsidy to keep you. Being one of only two national GSM carriers in the US, and given that T-Mo requires AWS for much of their 3G coverage, AT&T basically has a lock on you if you want to use the vast majority of unlocked GSM phones.
I just don't see why AT&T would have a problem with this from a corporate policy perspective. Obviously some devices, especially ones that are sort of corner cases like the P6800, will have issues, and their call center people are probably clueless in most cases to help resolve these issues. But you can't logically go from "this device has some issues with AT&T's default network configuration" to "AT&T hates this device and all unlocked devices."
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and that I am still a loyal paying customer, they still don't like the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well, because they're not getting as much money out of me as they could be, and in their eyes, should be.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be capable of making normal phone calls.
P.S. Let's just say for a moment that I played by their rules even more, and didn't seek any perfectly legitimate loopholes like buying unlocked, and say I buy their 5GB/month tiered plan at $50/month, and let go of my unlimited data at $30/month. That means that I'm locked in for at least $480 more over the course of a new 2 year agreement, and potentially more if I end up paying any overages. Now that's just me, one person. I'm effectively cheating them (in their eyes) out of that money. Imagine if every unlimited data user did that too (and there are millions of them). Now can you see why AT&T would hate to be cheated (in their eyes) out of all that money? No can you see why they hate having to honour service to unlocked devices?
In the end AT&T is still a corporation, so it's all about the money for them. Thus, if by buying an unlocked device you are keeping them from getting more money out you, then by corporate default, they are not going to happy with that.

Masterface7 said:
You underestimate how much AT&T and most carriers love putting bloatware on your phone. For example most carriers until recently shipped phones with carrier IQ which would not be on your device if it was and unlocked international version.
Another example of carrier changes to stock, my sprint phone, when stock, runs through a sprint proxy and it can jack up media streaming and internet speeds until i remove it
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Carrier IQ sure, but it's being/has already been removed from AT&T devices, so it's no longer relevant. I didn't know about the Sprint proxy thing, but I've never heard of AT&T doing that. As for bloatware, my gut says that people who are knowledgeable enough to buy an unlocked handset from elsewhere are also not dumb enough to *use* AT&T bloatware when they do have AT&T-branded devices, and probably root and get rid of it immediately anyway.
I don't disagree with anything you said, but I don't see it as a compelling reason to try to block out non-AT&T-branded devices. Maybe the AT&T execs do.
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See that's just it though, even though technically I am playing by the rules, in the sense that I am not abusing the medianet plan, and in the sense that I am a paying customer, they still don't like it because of the fact that I am using a tablet as a phone as well.
Think about it. Can you go into an AT&T store right now and buy a tablet from them for anything other than pay-as-you-go? Nope. If you want data on your tablet, and you don't want to pay extra for its own 3G service, then you have to give up unlimited data and get an extra tethering add-on, so you'd have to pay extra that way instead.
AT&T doesn't want you to have a device that simply does it all. That's why they don't mind the Note so much, because frankly, having owned one since November, at the end of the day, it's really just a big Galaxy S2; if you want to do tablet stuff on it, you need a proper tablet, which the 7.7 is.
So here's the thing: By my buying an unlocked 7.7, thereby consolidating a true tablet and a smartphone, and by continuing to pay my $30/month unlimited plan, in AT&T's eyes, I'm effectively cheating them out of either pay-per-use data on one of their own 3G/LTE tablets, or I'm cheating them out of paying for a tiered plan instead, plus a tethering option. So yeah, they don't like that...
If US carriers had no issues with tablet's doubling as phones, then they would have allowed the original tab to keep its phone abilities, and Verizon wouldn't have gimped their version of the 7.7 so as not to be be capable of making normal phone calls.
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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T). I guess this also explains why people only have issues with tablets or things that seem like tablets (I recall seeing a lot of APN issues for the int'l Note as well).
Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
For those of you who have a phone and separate tab data plan, I'm curious: why are you willing to pay an additional $20-$35 every month for tab data? Need a general-purpose hotspot for, say, a laptop? Can't tether to your phone? Laziness/convenience?

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Yeah this makes sense I suppose. They want to either screw you on a tethering package or a separate tablet data plan, though if you're me you just don't play by the rules and tether without getting caught (please don't notice AT&T).
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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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Personally, I probably wouldn't pay for a data plan for my tab even if couldn't tether--while the tab is pocketable, it makes an uncomfortable bulge (and I don't really want to get into carrying a murse around), so I stick to my GS2 as an actual phone. Plus, 80% or so of my tab use is at home, and if you add in places where there is wifi anyway that's probably more like 95%.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.

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I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
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Actually, I think the way they're figuring out if users are tethering isn't from any logging utility on the device, but that they are using some kind of pinging utility from their server side. When they get a response with a TTL of a different value than whatever the default is then they can derive that your device is functioning as a router. That's just a guess and I could be totally wrong about the specifics, but I think that they're not really doing deep packet inspection but rather just tracing back requests for internet data and comparing that to the baseline device profiles they have.

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Just another reason to buy unlocked. I tether all the time with no issues. Just because they may have removed CarrierIQ, doesn't mean they haven't possibly baked their own monitoring tools into their devices and we just haven't found them yet. (I'm paranoid like that). I mean, I know they could technically do deep packet inspection and figure out that you're tethering anyway, regardless of whether you're using an unlocked device or not, but as a network engineer myself, I know that doing that is VERY resource intensive, and probably not nearly as cost effective for them compared to running a small client-side monitoring tool that alerts them to anomalous user activity.
Not saying they wouldn't possibly perform packet inspection, just saying it's not as likely as monitoring tools of some kind or another.
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It's certainly possible, though I'm pretty sure I've heard of people getting caught on non-AT&T devices, as well as AT&T devices with non-AT&T-based ROMs, so at least in some cases they are performing deep inspection of packets (unless they just send out the effing letters at random, which is certainly plausible given the false positives some people have reported). And really, it's not like I need more reasons to prefer an unbranded device, since AT&T makes their equivalents worse almost every time. Still, I think there are a hundred other threads on these forums with all the various theories about how, when, and why they detect tethering, and I'm sure we have both read a number of them, so it probably isn't worth rehashing all this here.
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Valid points indeed. In fact, before getting my 7.7, I almost decided on sticking with my GS2 and getting a Prime instead. As you said, WiFi is just about everywhere, and for places where WiFi isn't present, I could have just tethered to my GS2.
At this point, it's a matter of personal preference really. For me, I would much rather have only to carry one device on me than two, even if it does kinda force me into using a murse, which I've actually come to like quite a lot! That's why I went with the 7.7 instead; all-in-one device consolidation.
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I totally agree that it's about personal preference phone use. If you're liking carrying a murse around, more power to ya, but I'm happier being able to keep everything in my pockets.
Plus, when I am carrying the tab around, I like not having to worry about keeping it charged. I don't treat my GS2 batteries very well because I am always leery of having my phone battery die while I'm out somewhere, especially when I know I'll be tethering or playing games. But I'm really not worried about the lifetime of my $12 Anker batteries; if they don't hold a charge well tomorrow, they're super easy to replace. With the tab, I feel more obliged to take care of the non-replaceable battery--always let it almost fully discharge, not leaving it plugged in too long when fully charged, that sort of thing--and I would find that very inconvenient for my primary device.

Unlimited user on AT&T? Throttled? Change your SOC code!

Today, AT&T has finally become somewhat less unreasonable with regard to their throttling policies!
So, if you're an unlimited data user suffering from stupid throttling woes at usage less than 2GB in a billing cycle, you can breathe a slight sigh of relief. But here's a little tip if you think 3GB still isn't reasonable enough for you:
Go to your local AT&T store and get the IMEI from one of their LTE Note display units by dialing *#06#
Then, call customer service and let the agent know that you bought an LTE Note from on the internet or some other third party, and request that your service be enabled for LTE usage. Specifically, that your SOC code be changed to LTEDPPB. They will ask you for your device's IMEI. Provide them the IMEI you got from the display unit.
Now, you can continue to enjoy "unlimited" data, and not have to worry about running into any speed limits until 5GB instead of 3!
Enjoy!
P.S. APN's that work on this new plan:
pta
Phone
wap.cingular
Google those APN's for the proper settings, and you're all set!
P.P.S. Don't use the "Broadband" APN, because that's used only for tethering, and that would raise red flags on your account. Not sure it would work anyway. You should still be able to tether just fine with any of the other APN's though.

I have unlimited plan, but i bought the international copy which H+
Should I do anything?
I use tethering apps a lot!

I'm on that data plan and you can still get throttled but I'm assuming you now have more options for APN switching

so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them

Richy99 said:
so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them
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Who is defrauding who? Exactly...thanks OP

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Who is defrauding who? Exactly...thanks OP
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Ha ha ha, good point! If they are going to throttle why can't they at least make it the same amount across the plans?
Does anyone know if this causes a change to the agreement? IE we lose any rights over law suit from the old plan? I don't like suing but I like knowing that I CAN and I like them knowing people HAVE sued

I'm using the "broadband" APN, but that's because I'm using a Unlimited iPad SIM. I don't think this will work for me. I guess I could use a IMEI from a LTE tablet such as the JetStream?

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I have unlimited plan, but i bought the international copy which H+
Should I do anything?
I use tethering apps a lot!
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First of all, you don't need to use any apps on your international Note in order to tether; tethering is baked right into your wireless settings by default.
Secondly, whether or not you want to do anything is up to you. If your account is currently on a non-LTE unlimited plan, then you will automatically get 3GB of un-throttled usage starting at your next billing cycle. If you think that's enough for you, then you don't have to do anything. If you want more, you can give yourself 5GB instead of 3 by doing what I described in the OP.
The LTE plans simply provision you access to the LTE APN (pta), which works on both HSPA+ and LTE. I mean, it has to, because if you had an LTE phone and were going through an area without LTE coverage, it would fall back to HSPA+ for service instead. Since the international Note doesn't have an LTE radio in it, it's just going to use HSPA+.
I suppose the added bonus is that when unlocked LTE phones do eventually come around, especially ones compatible with US frequency blocks, you won't have to make any changes to your account then.

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I'm using the "broadband" APN, but that's because I'm using a Unlimited iPad SIM. I don't think this will work for me. I guess I could use a IMEI from a LTE tablet such as the JetStream?
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This is a data-only plan correct? I'm not sure how AT&T's new policies affect those kinds of plans. I suppose, theoretically, the same process could work by using the IMEI of an LTE AT&T tablet. I don't know for sure though. You could always pioneer this for us and report back!

Richy99 said:
so basically you are spoofing the imei to circumvent their system and enable you to defraud them
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This is a similar process as to what people had to do with their imported Galaxy S2's in order to get HSPA+ to work properly. Basically, we had to get the IMEI of one of AT&T's HSPA+ devices (like the Infuse 4G) and use that to provision our accounts properly. The manual input of the IMEI is only temporary anyway; the system automatically re-updates with your unlocked device's IMEI once you reboot, so there's really no spoofing going on here. It's more of an administrative thing than anything else. If I called in to customer support right now and politely asked to have my account provisioning modified or changed to a slightly different plan, the rep would ask me for my IMEI, I would give it to them, and they would see that it is unlocked, not classified in AT&T's database, and I would be told "Sorry, we don't officially support this device, there's nothing we can do..." And that's true, because their system shows available account features based on the classification of device, and for unlocked devices, they're unclassified.
As for defrauding AT&T for an additional 2GB of un-throttled data, I'm not defrauding them any more than they are defrauding me out of the unlimited, unrestricted, non-throttled service that I signed up for originally. Nor am I defrauding them any more by using an unlocked tablet device as a phone as well (the 7.7 is my daily driver), thus saving myself from either having to pay for an additional data line, or getting rid of my unlimited data and purchasing an additional tethering option.
I am not going to be a passive consumer. I am not afraid to stand up to big corporations and be aggressively thrifty with them, especially when they are aggressively greedy with us. If you don't fight back, they're just going to keep gouging you for everything you have until you eventually reach a point where enough is enough. I already reached that point long ago, and more and more people are getting there now. Corporations are always pushing the consumer's spending boundaries, until they cry "uncle." All I'm doing here is encouraging people to fight back, and cry uncle even sooner and more aggressively. I mean, that iPhone guy in California did it and won! Thanks to him (possibly), we're now no longer going to be throttled into oblivion at least until we reach more reasonable thresholds.
Moral of this story:
Corporations are greedy and amoral, and will bend whatever rules they can get away with to get more money out of you. They have no honour. They don't care about you. They care about the bottom line. They care about making money off of you. They don't care if they have to do morally or ethically questionable things to get more money out of you, as long as they can get away with it.
So stop defending them. Stand up for yourself and your fellow consumers. Band together and fight back!

I second everything j. E. W.! Very well said!
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thanks J E Wolf... for the good info...
can I us my friends LTE skyrocket imei number for this? will it mess.with his account in any way mi
thanks

jimmbomb said:
thanks J E Wolf... for the good info...
can I us my friends LTE skyrocket imei number for this? will it mess.with his account in any way mi
thanks
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Yeah you should be able to use that IMEI as well. Any LTE device should work really. It won't mess with anyone's account.

*bump again*

I think im going to use my buddies att note since its lte!
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eroracing said:
I think im going to use my buddies att note since its lte!
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That'll work