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I'm getting that message.
The funny thing is, I haven't added anything to storage memory in a while. I got the phone a few weeks ago and installed everything I needed then - there was around 6MB remaining of storage.
However, whilst I'm driving today, I get an SMS and have a look and it shows me this critically low warning. I got home and tried to delete all my SMS but the phone decided to crash. After rebooting it didn't load all the today plugins properly, so I decided to reboot using SPB Pocketplus's safemode. I press the safemode option during boot and it says it will boot in safe mode but all it does is reset itself again and start in normal mode.
When it starts in normal mode it shows the critically low warning and freezes - I can't close the warning or do anything about it.
Does anyone know what could have caused this all of a sudden? Considering I had several MB free earlier today and haven't added anything to it myself... Also, what on earth can I do to fix this problem? It says to remove some programs but I can't when the device isn't responding or going into safemode...
Do a search for big files - also check your documents in case you've inadvertently recorded a lot of nothing (as I've done in the past) - also I believe temp internet files and remote desktop caching can take up quite a bit.
numanoids said:
Do a search for big files - also check your documents in case you've inadvertently recorded a lot of nothing (as I've done in the past)
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At the time it was impossible to search for any files - the device wasn't responding at all once it had booted up. However, I managed to connect it to my PC and access it remotely - even though the device's GUI wasn't responding and I had indeed recorded a load of nothing when it had been woken in my pocket by the SMS. Needless to say that button is now disabled.
Thanks for the reply, it's sorted now. Well, as sorted as you can get with the universal's minescule amount of memory
If you spend a lot of time surfing the net, your cache will fill up the space. Try to flush the cache and search for big files too. You should use SKTOOLS, is the best.
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Daft question but where is the cache info stored. I can find may way around but I am not that technical. I am having the memory problem too. I have nothing on my device but its full. I have a map program on the card and thats it.
To clear your PIE cache, open PIE go to the menu and selct tools, options and then select the memory tab and click the delete files button. It will probably take a while. A easier way to manage this cache, in my opinion, is to purchase and install SKTools(a fantasic app for many uses) and run the quick clean program. I have the quick clean app mapped to a keyboard combo (using freeware PQZII) so it's very easy to free up memory.
This sucks. Everything was going great but for someone reason lately, I am having trouble turning on my XV6800 from standby. Some times I have to hit the power button more then once. Or wait for a couple of seconds then it turns on. It is not dependent on the power button, because when I switched it to turn on when any button is on, it still won't turn on. What does get it out for good is if there is a call or a text that wakes its self up. But other times the power button works great.
I would love to solve this problem! I used SKTools to see what is running as soon as I hit the power button and hit it again to turn on. Both TimeWizard.exe and shell32.exe are at hundred for that second. Is that ok/normal? Have any suggestings before I hard reset?
If I do hard reset, I am wondering if instead of going to MR1 I should go with a WM6.5 rom. Is it really more trouble then its worth? I get about 21 of 22MB at startup (aftering clearing ram in beginning). What's the average for WM6.5 with the titan? I rather fix my problem and not hard reset, hate to reinstall all the software and do all the registry hacks all over again.
edit: Looks like this is an issue (a lot of people had it) that cannot be solved without hard reseting. So I still need to decide what route (MR1 or WM6.5) to go with...
I personally like 6.5. With the inclusion of a tool called nueKernel, many ROMs will boot with up to 28ish MB of RAM in high memory mode on a fresh install. In low memory mode, it's usually between 20 and 22. High memory mode, if you aren't aware, temporarily disables the camera. Low memory mode enables the camera. You can switch back and forth easily using a setting in your System menu.
Also, make note of any tools you currently use on your Today screen. Any third party additions may not exist for the new Titanium layout. There are a bunch of new add-ins for it that will most likely do everything that you need, but do some poking around first. You can also use the older today screen on 6.5 if you can't find what you need for Titanium, but that ruins a lot of the fun.
Since you use SKTools, you can also easily export any registry tweaks you put in, and re-import them on whichever ROM you decide to use. It's fairly easy.
There are a number of ROMs to choose from between XDA and ppcgeeks. Read some of the comments and check out what the chef includes. It will be pretty different than the official Verizon ROM you are used to, but that's usually a good thing. I currently use bbsandkm's 6.5 ROM from ppcgeeks, but that's personal preference. Ryan and TPLane here on XDA make some amazing ROMs that you can use, too.
But before you flash to any non-official ROM, please make sure you read up on the guides to do it properly. It's really pretty simple, but you need to just follow the directions.
Is the around 20MB the amount with Titanium? I love HTC Home since I can use the Today calendar. All these new plugins never show the complete day of apointments.
Yeah I would have to do some reading before I even consider. I do know I would have to downgrade to the original 6.0 OS before going custom. Would I have to go back to 6.0 again and then 6.1 if I decide I don't like 6.5? Already getting scared just thinking about it lol.
segadc said:
Is the around 20MB the amount with Titanium? I love HTC Home since I can use the Today calendar. All these new plugins never show the complete day of apointments.
Yeah I would have to do some reading before I even consider. I do know I would have to downgrade to the original 6.0 OS before going custom. Would I have to go back to 6.0 again and then 6.1 if I decide I don't like 6.5? Already getting scared just thinking about it lol.
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In high memory mode after installing all my programs, I start with between 25 and 26 meg free. That is using Titanium.
The only reason (I think) that you'd need to downgrade to 6.0 is if your GPS does not work after your upgrade. And no, you wouldn't need to re-install 6.1 during the process.
Downgrade is necessary if you have a pri of 2.03xx and want gps to work on your custom rom.
I got so sick of this problem I just hard resetted and went for MR1. I will switch to WM6.5 maybe later in the future.
However, I notice my Titan did it again today! It barely has anything on it right now. So I am guessing my memory card might be the problem. So much stuff on it (its a 16GB) like portable apps, every cab I have ever downloaded etc. That's my only guess. Would a memory card be causing this problem?
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I got so sick of this problem I just hard resetted and went for MR1. I will switch to WM6.5 maybe later in the future.
However, I notice my Titan did it again today! It barely has anything on it right now. So I am guessing my memory card might be the problem. So much stuff on it (its a 16GB) like portable apps, every cab I have ever downloaded etc. That's my only guess. Would a memory card be causing this problem?
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What you are experiencing is a DSOD (dark screen of death). Usually its because of something installed to your storage card that is always running(not good, things like that need installed to device memory). Also make sure you have no .exe's in the 2577 folder on storage card (if you have the folder).
Here are some possible examples of DSOD's
Disable the automatic ActiveSync checking. This is the official solution from Verizon Data Technical Support.
Do not install software on the storage card that might trigger automatically. That means: Absolutely no today plug-ins, no ring tones, nothing that runs in the background, and nothing that could accidentally be triggered if you hit one of the buttons of your device.
Do not store data that might be accessed automatically. Same thing. Basically, do not store mail attachments on the storage card if you have wireless sync.
Close programs that use the storage card before turning your device off. Magic Button is an excellent tool to do this.
If you do install programs on the storage card, do NOT use the "Programs" window or the start menu to start them. Instead, use a File Explorer to run them. If you use "Programs" or the start menu, that program will be in your list of recently accessed applications in the start menu. So the next time you turn your device on and click on the start menu, the system will access your storage card to load the icon of the application - this will create a noticeable delay of several seconds, if not DSOD.
Don't randomly install crap. Every single piece of software you install could interfere with your system. Limit the software you install to what you really need. Check the forums, some people named a few programs that explicitly did not work for them.
I hope this helps you out.
Wow thanks, that helps a lot!
edit: Not my day. Don't ask me why but I decided to clean some registry after cleaning up my card. Well I deleted something that effects me to not see the verizon mobile site. I posted about it before here. At least now I know what I did wrong with that problem. Anyway, if I were to hard reset, will it revert back to a clean MR1 with all the Verizon stuff? So far I have been just reinstalling MR1 which does it all. The reason I ask is I hate to wait until tonight to do this again. Thanks guys.
RyanMogul6800 said:
What you are experiencing is a DSOD (dark screen of death). Usually its because of something installed to your storage card that is always running(not good, things like that need installed to device memory). Also make sure you have no .exe's in the 2577 folder on storage card (if you have the folder).
Here are some possible examples of DSOD's
Disable the automatic ActiveSync checking. This is the official solution from Verizon Data Technical Support.
Do not install software on the storage card that might trigger automatically. That means: Absolutely no today plug-ins, no ring tones, nothing that runs in the background, and nothing that could accidentally be triggered if you hit one of the buttons of your device.
Do not store data that might be accessed automatically. Same thing. Basically, do not store mail attachments on the storage card if you have wireless sync.
Close programs that use the storage card before turning your device off. Magic Button is an excellent tool to do this.
If you do install programs on the storage card, do NOT use the "Programs" window or the start menu to start them. Instead, use a File Explorer to run them. If you use "Programs" or the start menu, that program will be in your list of recently accessed applications in the start menu. So the next time you turn your device on and click on the start menu, the system will access your storage card to load the icon of the application - this will create a noticeable delay of several seconds, if not DSOD.
Don't randomly install crap. Every single piece of software you install could interfere with your system. Limit the software you install to what you really need. Check the forums, some people named a few programs that explicitly did not work for them.
I hope this helps you out.
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Wow, you learn something new every day! Amazing writeup.
It happened again last night but I am thinking it might be caused by the latest SKTools. But not sure since I had it almost a month before this happened. I might go all day without it and see if that is the case. Then if it is the I will get the lower version.
Also, I am going crazy here, which registry edit is to take away the keyboard lag? I cannot remember if it had to do with increasing the gyphe or whatever maybe taking away the speed of the keyboard when it lights up. I just cannot remember. I looked at tons of posts here and PPcgeeks but still cannot find or figure out which one did it. Thanks guys. I need to seriously remember these registry hacks for next time.
ok: it was not SKtools. I put it back on. I decided to wipe my memory card clean and start over. So far so good! Now I will have time to find some registry edits.
If you're as "picky" or "OCD" as I am about specific things...then lately you would have realized that every Hero ROM port available for either the G1 or the MyTouch has this "text cram" issue.
If you go to your settings, then scroll down to SD card & phone storage...you'll notice that the letter "E" in storage is completely cut-off due to lack of screen space...or perhaps too large of text for the menu options.
I have been talking a lot about this issue on Twitter, no one seems to have any answers for this extremely annoying detail. Trust me, once you catch it - you don't stop noticing that it's there! ANY THOUGHTS?
It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.
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It seems as if there's some code in the SMS-receiving app that says 'if the phone is reporting low memory, fire a 'warning' notification and completely forget the message I just got sent'. We do not get to see who sent the message, and the sender is not sent a 'message failed' response.
As we know the phone reports 'low memory' a bit cautiously, you could actually have 10mb spare - plenty for an SMS. It's possible for the phone to reach a 'low memory' status whilst in your pocket, so the user doesn't know he's going to miss txts until one comes in.
Could really do with a mod to do something about this - still show the warning but accept the text as normal rather than dropping it?
This would go wrong if there actually isn't enough space to store the message (<1k?), but if the warning fires on every text then at least the user has had a chance to do something about it.
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Can the Nexus One actually run out of memory to receive a mere SMS? :/ Has this ever happened to you before or is this just a hypothetical question/request?
I don't think he would talk so specifically about it in detail if he was just making it up. I've lost an sms before too.
I was under the warning limit, but between 10mb and 20mb free, and my phone decided to tell me there wasn't enough room on the phone when an sms came in and that's that. No indication as to whom it was from, and definitely no way to get it again.
Yeap, it definitely does this. I've had it happen a few times and very annoying it is too. The message never gets received but shows as delivered at the other end.
Yes it has happened to me several times since having the N1, and just a few days ago on 2.2. Sometimes it's been 'my fault' because I've ignored the 'low on memory' notification, sometimes it's been the first I've heard of it - by then it's too late.
Either way, just dropping the message like that is not good :-/
Oh, and no, I don't think I've ever *actually* run out of memory, I've seen that 'low memory' warning appear but still have just under 10mb free.
So I think the SMS-receiving-code is being overly cautious/strict.
+1 for some workaround for this situation, when I went from cyan ext3 to froyo stock and trying fit everything on I did lose a few texts, which I had no idea where they were from.
what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?
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what is the low memory warning? Can this phone actually run out of memory?
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Low internal storage space. The SMS's are not saved in ram you know? Install too many applications and you run out of internal storage space.
So can we clarify if this is low MEMORY or low STORAGE being as the two are completely different?
I've had missing messages so this may explain it?
It is when you have low STORAGE. Internal storage to be precise. Would be nice if you could have SMS going to mem-card. But yes, I have had the same issue in the past. And there is no way to retrieve the 'delivered' message that I know of. Very annoying.
Yes, low storage.
Install a load of stuff... Google Earth and Fennec beta should do it, and you'll get the warning. But it's a bit over-sensitive, you could still have 10mb or so left.
There's an issue for this on the official tracker:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4991
doesn't look like it'll be looked at in a hurry though as there's not very many stars... so I hope a mod might be possible until G gets around to it?
(if you want to register your interest in the issue just star it, no need to comment with a 'me too' unless you're adding some info)
Edit: please keep 'store messages on SD card' to another thread... that is a big job, and it's not like we would actually have problems storing one 250-character message when we've got 10mb of space. The fix is for it to ignore that warning.
IDEA, install a program that when internal mem is detected as below the threshold where the system will rej, and overwride the default messaging and take hold of the message itself (and presumably SD it)
a very irratating bug indeed.. i have missed countless sms cause i have tonz of apps installed on an unrooted fone; leading to low internal storage RAM and thus getting this error... FROYO isnt much of a help with the option to put apps to SD since the apps have to integrate that feature and 95% of apps currently in the marked dont have that feature YET.. even GOOGLE Earth (25mb <- WAAA so big!!!) ..
I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum
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I've added a comment to the bug. I would suggest everyone else does if you want this bug fixed officially, otherwise talk nicely to a dev on this forum
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No, don't add a COMMENT, just add a STAR. 'Me too' comments get emailed to everyone and are annoying. STARs register interest. Thanks!
So is it possible to fix this with a mod? Is it even in the SMS app or is it some other code that handles receiving the message?
try this post for altering your low space threshold:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=877793
I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
One option could be an app for when the phone hits low storage, to put the phone in air plane mode?
This would prevent ANY sms from being rejected until you delete space, and take the phone out of air plane mode.
Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.
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I have had this happen to me too.
The most infuriating part of the matter is that the phone rejects the message, but the message is GONE forever. You have no idea who sent it, and they have no idea you never got the message. On top of that, there is still nearly 20mb of space left. WTF the phone needs to reject a 1kb sms when there is 20mb of space left completely blows my mind.
It is a terrible glitch and one of the few things I severely dislike about android.
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It is not that simple. AFAIK sms/mms are stored in the sqlite database. Which needs some maneuver space to operate normally. In fact, android SQLiteOpenHelper under certain threshold will open the database only in the readonly mode. Which seems to be happening here.
The pragmatic solution would be to "tweak" the free space display and show the real size minus some 30mb "reserve". So, the user would see "0 bytes left" and would not complain. Better still - stop receiving messages and signal "memory full" to the Short Message Service Center. Adding nagging notifications to the user. Seems like unfinished work by google.
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Once you get up to the limit on apps no matter where the low storage limit is set you always run the risk of running into it. It would be better to simply put all the data on sd, there would be no performance hit and the problem is permafixed. As an added advantage all your texts are backed up locally and with just a little more coding could be set up to be restored as needed when the app was reinstalled on the same or new device.
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The SD way would be a straight road to hell, since all the data can "disappear" from under your arse at any random moment.
It's enough just to plug-in the USB cable or simply pop-out the card (easily doable on many models).
Even worse: someone can easily delete anything on the card since it is a stupid FAT32 with no permissions whatsoever. O just insert different SD card from the different phone. It is far from trivial to define what should the apps do in this case.
[Q] Keep getting "Internal Storage Space Left" messages-is something being installed?
I noticed that after hitting a certain remaining storage space threshold in Galaxy/android phones, I get an "Internal Storage Space Left: xx GB" everytime I install or update something. That's ok, don't really care about that.
However, starting a few weeks ago, I keep getting this message periodically, multiple times a day, without me explicitly installing or updating anything. Has this happened to anyone else? Is this normal? Any way to find out what's getting installed or updated (if that is what's happening)? When this first started happening, I also got a decline/accept pop-up box asking me if I wanted Google to verify apps (which led me to believe something is being installed). I unchecked the "verify apps" checkbox under security settings so that pop-up no longer shows, but the "Internal Storage Space Left" message I get is still annoying. Thanks.
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I noticed that after hitting a certain remaining storage space threshold in Galaxy/android phones, I get an "Internal Storage Space Left: xx GB" everytime I install or update something. That's ok, don't really care about that.
However, starting a few weeks ago, I keep getting this message periodically, multiple times a day, without me explicitly installing or updating anything. Has this happened to anyone else? Is this normal? Any way to find out what's getting installed or updated (if that is what's happening)? When this first started happening, I also got a decline/accept pop-up box asking me if I wanted Google to verify apps (which led me to believe something is being installed). I unchecked the "verify apps" checkbox under security settings so that pop-up no longer shows, but the "Internal Storage Space Left" message I get is still annoying. Thanks.
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Your phone consistently creates cache in the /cache partition, or your apps are probably updating their content (Gmail, RSS Readers, Facebook, Vine, Instagram, etc).
You should check your data usage and see whether it was downloading anything behind your back.
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Your phone consistently creates cache in the /cache partition, or your apps are probably updating their content (Gmail, RSS Readers, Facebook, Vine, Instagram, etc).
You should check your data usage and see whether it was downloading anything behind your back.
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Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it. Do you know of any easy way (or better yet, apps that do this) to monitor in real time, what gets installed and/or written to the install area of your storage? This way, whenever I see the "Internal Storage Space Left" message, I can quickly investigate what was just installed/written to my phone? When I'm playing music or watching youtube, whenever this message comes up, the audio freezes up for a second and it's getting really annoying now, aside from the fact that I don't want unknown stuff getting installed on my phone anyway. Thanks!
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Thanks for your feedback, appreciate it. Do you know of any easy way (or better yet, apps that do this) to monitor in real time, what gets installed and/or written to the install area of your storage? This way, whenever I see the "Internal Storage Space Left" message, I can quickly investigate what was just installed/written to my phone? When I'm playing music or watching youtube, whenever this message comes up, the audio freezes up for a second and it's getting really annoying now, aside from the fact that I don't want unknown stuff getting installed on my phone anyway. Thanks!
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I'm not sure, but I use Clean Master or SD Maid and they do the job just fine when cleaning up files on your phone. Maybe you should try those instead of preventing anything else from being added, so that when things get added you won't get a prompt when your phone is already cleaned out anyways
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I'm not sure, but I use Clean Master or SD Maid and they do the job just fine when cleaning up files on your phone. Maybe you should try those instead of preventing anything else from being added, so that when things get added you won't get a prompt when your phone is already cleaned out anyways
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Thanks for your reply! Actually, found a simple solution, don't know why I didn't think of this before. As soon as it happened again, I noted the time on the phone clock, then I went into my "root explorer" app and sorted the folders by time. I drilled down into the most recently modified folders and found a file that was modified at the exact same time noted above. It was the samsung gear fit app (or something to that effect) - don't know why I had installed it as I don't own any of the samsung gear accesssories. I deleted the app and the auto-install/updates stopped happening.