Yeah, Google has just announced that Android is a platform there is no real GPhone. ok. I'm sure a lot of us are more than interested in getting this platform on our existing phone.
My question to those who understand the internals of our existing HTC phones. Is there hope for us to scrap WinMo and put Android instead. Their website makes it sound like it can be done.
What do you think?
I don't know the answer to that, but it sure seems like it, e specially since Sprint and other carriers are also joining hte Open handset alliance, they may provide support for linking Android with their services and configuration. I can't wait.
Wasn't there a pooled $$ reward that someone set up for the first person who could get Win XP running on the new Intel macs (prior to bootcamp). I suggest a similar motivational scheme (if necessary) to compensate whoever can accomplish a similar feat: getting Android to run on existing HTC hardware.
Anyone interested?
That would be super cool. I mean, I really can't wait...
What if we start a fund-raiser managed by the admins to request donations from members towards the reward? I'm sure that would be even more motivating.
Pool
I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.
MWillis561 said:
I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.
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It may not be that hard (theoretically) because they (OHA) did all the ground work of getting linux to run on our devices. The work (I think) is in dealing with the customizations for each device. The min requirements they stated seem well below what most of our devices are capable of, so that shouldn't be a problem either. Maybe we'll just have to wait until a device from HTC with that ROM comes out.
WARNING!! I absolutely am talking out of no knowlege.
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source :http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=4676
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HTC and Google are working together to release a new phone that will run on the Android platform. The phone will reportedly have a 3- by 5-inch swivel screen like the SideKick that will automatically rotate from portrait to landscape. It will have a full QWERTY keyboard as well, but the coolest part about the phone is the "time-sensitive" touch menus that will expand depending on how long the users touch the screen.
According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.
TT_boy said:
According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.
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The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well... Maybe we shall have better support when Android comes out.
dferreira said:
It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well...
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It was still not bad, when you consider that the code
is actually written without any docs from manufacturer
by 1 person (cp15).
Just look in the xda-dev archive.
TT_boy said:
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Actually, further speculation concludes that this is the correct rendering of that phone.
cr2 said:
The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
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Think of this though, we're struggling at the moment dealing with stability and functionality issues with WinMo on our devices made for that platform. How much more with a totally alien OS coded by a single individual. In as much as I think it was a great achievement, I do not think it was a workable substitute for WinMo. This however presents a huge posibility ..... my .02.
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Saw this on msmobilenews.com so i thought i would post it here.
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New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Windows Mobile 5 is the current OS of choice for Windows Mobile users however the next iteration, codenamed Crossbow, has shown its face, check out the full Pocket PC homescreen shown above! It has a glossy title bar and soft keys and will feature Vista-esque folder icons etc.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Pieter Knook, a Microsoft Sr. VP, has commented that Microsoft plan to release an upgrade to their mobile platform yearly which is interesting and could mean a new OS with every yearly upgrade for pay monthly contracts. Knook has also commented that Crossbow will have strong links with Office 2007 and Exchange 12 as well as including the mobile version of Office Communicator, an Instant Messenger tool for enterprises.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Google cache caught a leaked presentation which told us that Crossbow will be released to manufacturer in Q4 2006 ready for release in Q1/Q2 of 2007 and that the next operating system (codenamed "Photon") will be released to manufacturers in Q4 2007 ready for release in Q1/Q2 2008 (Photon is set to include a new, flexible shell with modular containers and utilise the “Yamazaki” CE kernel).
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Well all i can say is what a HUGE disappointment! Is this really the best M$ can do? If looks are anything to go by, then i have seen far better mods on here. Let's just hope that any enhancements under the "skin" are worthwhile.
Regards,
Colin.
Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?
I cannot conclude from these screenshots what changes are, but if there are again mostly cosmetic changes with increased instability, three times increased size and correspondilngly long boot time, as it was upon change from PPC2003 to WM5... it sucks
The changes from WM2003 to WM5 are far from cosmetic. OK, many of the changes don't *directly* affect users from day one, but as the platform is improved, it makes the developers more productive so you see more, better and cheaper software. Visual C++ and (worse VB) for Embedded Platforms (or whatever it was called) was an utter nightmare. Dotnet compact framework moved the game along enormously and .net 2.0 has utterly improved things again. Take a look at the original 1960s Jaguar XJ6 and then at the current XJ6. They look very similar, but they couldn't be more different under the skin.
Yes, it is true. I was too critical in that reply. There are many positive sides too. What made me nervous are just some points where my good old iPAQ 2210 is better/faster than brand new Universal
And my original XDA is too, but the benefits (for me) outway the problems. If that were not the case, I'd still use the XDA every day. Take a look at this and tell me the changes are just cosmetic
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/09/11/749942.aspx
xplode said:
Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?
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My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!
I was surprised with the battery-icon and time.
It's very real. Today I went out to lunch with an old colleague who went out to Bellevue and an MS rep there was flashing folks 2125's, 3125's and 8125's with betas of the new OS. He had a 2125. It had a lot of goodies and looked pretty slick. That would've been nice to get my 8125 fixed up. I played around with his 2125 for a few seconds - was VERY snappy compared to my wife's.
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My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!
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I will be gratefull if you show me more slick skins than this one (please exclude the eten dialer variants) and by skins i mean today theme, dialer, and comm manager
Here's the Windows Mobile Release Map:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
starik said:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Yea, they should call it Microsoft Start 5.0, lol.
I really wish MS would release the update WM5 or later for sale, or even for free...that would stop a lot of hair being pulled out.
starik said:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Dialogue windows are still windows and even if a window occupies the full screen, does that make it any less of a window? Think back to the original analogy: these are windows into the programme. I think the term still fits.
i was reading a tech blog and found this:
Link to the gallery
Link to the article
might be intrersting for the xda community
EDIT: 2nd link fixed
looks more like its showing off future smartphone and ppc phone technology. cant really tell
why couldn't it be wm7?
If they want to have an operating system that can compete with apple's then this looks promising to me.
..................
cacca said:
i was reading a tech blog and found this:
Link to the gallery
Link to the article
might be intrersting for the xda community
EDIT: 2nd link fixed
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Yes its wm7 that will come out in 2009
xvicx said:
Yes its wm7 that will come out in 2009
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how do you know that?
Check this out http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
mushipkw said:
Check this out http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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Thanks for the link. Interesting read so far. I'm not done with the Blog.
I'm just wondering though. It says that the camera will be used to calcullate certain activities (which may include gestures such as shake, twist, etc.) instead of using gyroscopes and accelerometers.
While it is too early to tell, it seems that this approach (already attempted with current devices in field) would have a negative impact on battery drain since the camera would have to be "always on" in order to comprehend your movements.
Secondly, what if someone came up with a camera hack? Could you imagine having your camera phone hacked and just being on all the time, displaying your personal life to some freak? I don't know if that is possible or not, but, it would be kinda scarry for me.
The article contradicts itself in a few areas; such as saying scroll bars will be done away with, then later stating that the scroll bars can be dynamically resized. LOL.
Still, it's fun for me to read about forthcoming technology - vaporware or not.
Dim-Ize said:
Thanks for the link. Interesting read so far. I'm not done with the Blog.
I'm just wondering though. It says that the camera will be used to calcullate certain activities (which may include gestures such as shake, twist, etc.) instead of using gyroscopes and accelerometers.
While it is too early to tell, it seems that this approach (already attempted with current devices in field) would have a negative impact on battery drain since the camera would have to be "always on" in order to comprehend your movements.
Secondly, what if someone came up with a camera hack? Could you imagine having your camera phone hacked and just being on all the time, displaying your personal life to some freak? I don't know if that is possible or not, but, it would be kinda scarry for me.
The article contradicts itself in a few areas; such as saying scroll bars will be done away with, then later stating that the scroll bars can be dynamically resized. LOL.
Still, it's fun for me to read about forthcoming technology - vaporware or not.
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Dude these are all just things Microsoft are thinking of. Im pretty sure many features will cut down from this as MS does it always.
tomazez said:
how do you know that?
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here all the full images and specs:
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.co...bile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
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hey! That's great...
I wonder if it still would be possible to get wm7 roms for our devices...
raizaM said:
hey! That's great...
I wonder if it still would be possible to get wm7 roms for our devices...
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In theory, yes. It will most likely not need different hardware than it needs today.
From the looks of it, WM7 will be a lot more powerful that WM6 and require a lot more processing power. I'm sure there are a few HTC devices which will be able to run it, but I don't think I waoul want to run it on my Touch since it can barely handle WM6.
I don't think there's been any official announcement about the date of release, but end of 2008 or beginning of 2009 sound like the right time frame for Microsoft to roll this out. http://htcsource.com
Good day,
I am a current X7501 user on ATT in the USA and wonder if anyone has an update a to when the next Athena will become available in the US that will work on the ATT’s wireless network?
Of course asking HTC got me the usual "We will be glad to assist you with this question.... unfortunately we cannot comment on yet to be released products"
Anyone have anything they would care to share?
Also curious if MS Voice command will work with WM 6.5?
Thanks in advance for your response(s).
Claude H.
I have read on the internet that HTC have scrapped plans to make the Toth (at least as we know it as a 5 inch device). The HTC Leo is supposedly its successor and a 4.3 inch clamshell device. I hope I am wrong but that is my understanding.
I heard the same thing
So sad! I've been saving my pennies for its supposed release this year... we'll see :\
I <3 my athena!
I mentioned this before based on my observations...because of poor sales of the X7510...HTC might be reluctant to add a successor to the Athena line. You can't blame the public, HTC's designers are stupid to think that a few additions to the X7510 will make it a hit. Not to mention their stupid idea of taking off the hardware buttons and joystick design.
The HTC Leo...according to others will probably have a slider keyboard. To be honest, I prefer a clamshell type. Nonetheless the specs are marvelous. Let us hope the device actually will be mass produced then released to the public, and not just be left on the drawing board.
I still am hoping that HTC will release a proper successor to the HTC Universal with a powerful processor in clamshell design.
Thanks for the info.
I am looking forward to a large screen WM HTC phone to replace my x7501. Leo or Thoth seem to fit the bill at the moment. I did not see any other large screen WM phones about, so HTC it is.
Anyone have a clue as to when either might hit the sales channel and/or if ATT will pick up the Leo as an offeing or not.
I did not find any info on ETA for either phone on the net.
Thanks people for your input n this.
BTW: Did you all hear about WM 6.5 including "TellMe" voice command software. Too cool.
Thanks,
Claude H.
Claude H.
Anyone have any more news or infor on the Thoth or Leo?
The HTC Leo doesn't appear to be a clamshell, and I doubt a keyboard, but September may reveal more info and whether there will be a Thoth.
I suspect that the Thoth if it does come out (and I hope it will), will be the same specification as the Leo, but of course the larger screen, but the larger battery is the greatest benefit.
http://ai.rs/2009/08/htc-leo-picures-surface/
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/14/htc-leo-rendered-again-maybe-by-htc-more-likely-by-fans/
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/17/latest-htc-leo-render-seemingly-confirmed-by-leaked-rom/
Do you have any news?
I am waiting for the Thoth... I hope they will release it and I hope it will have normale audio in addition to stereo speakerphones... I have an Athena 7500 and when my bluetooth ends its battery I am always lost... the size of the Thoth will make it a killer app!!
It would be a smart move for HTC to reconsider development of the Thoth 100. They seem to have been ahead of their time in maxed-out, big-screened mobile os gadgets game, I.e. now we have the iPad, the maxed out iphone, the dell mini 5, the maxed out android, the samsung mondi, the maxed out winmo classic, all pretty much filling in the nitch that the Athena, the maxed-out winmo professional pioneered.
Now would definitely be a great time for them to remind us of this fact with the Thoth 100, marketted as the original mega-convergent device that's also, as was always, still a kindle killer.
C'mon htc!
Yeah, I am really dissappointed that we didn't see something at CES. Maybe the Euro mobile phone world congress? It is less than 2 weeks off...
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@ StalkerZoner for Diamond 2 firmware is not planned.Of the existing communicators on the market, only HD2 firmware to get WM7.
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http://www.redmondpie.com/windows-mobile-7-confirmed-for-htc-hd2-9140293/
There is a minimum spec hardware requirement for WM7. HD2 meets the spec but sadly Topaz is well below.
Of course, it will be interesting to see what our chefs can do with it
But maybe
I say TP, TP2, D, D2 is PLANED...
WM7 is not just one distrib... like W7 is have two level or more (maybe Pro and Stnd.) I think Stnd is for the old devs....
Maybe this will not be the end, but NOW is plane.
WM7 will have radical new kernel with driver implementation...
one hundred words is one to the end, I hope will be true
http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=94034&start=0
WP7...
Windows Phone 7... official release for TD2... dream on! In all the history of Windows Mobile devices (now Windows Phone devices), I have never seen or heard of a manufacturer / network provider offering official upgrade for a particular device twice.
TD2 has had official upgrade from 6.1 to 6.5... if you think you'll get official WP7 for this device you're living in dream land
However, that doesn't mean we won't get it for our devices. If only there was a web site somewhere with clever chefs who might be able to cook this for us... mmmm
sadly it DOES
I' sorry to bust your bubble guys but WiMo will no longer support resistive touchscreens (such as the one our TD2s have) and will thus not be able to run on the TD2 at all.
I'm pretty sure there is nothing even our chefs can do about that.
also, drivers will be a problem, since there'll be no WP7 device with Topaz hardware specifications. i'm sure some daring guys will try to port, but it will never work like a stock rom is suppose to. hope i'm wrong.
looks like im going to use the android port when shadowline finishes it then
Windows Phone 7 (user interface "METRO") preview...
Anybody know what is the mobile type in this video?
I have to say it looks incredible. It's an exceptionally clean and integrated UI, I like how they're playing nice with Gmail, Facebook etc and I'm hoping there's twitter and flickr support and the like.
I remember seeing some crummy looking Windows Mobile 7 "leaked" screenshots a few months ago... they must have been deliberately planting these to throw people off the scent becuase they are nothing like this new UI. They did a hell of a job keeping it under wraps! From dondragonka's video you can see it already looks pretty polished and fast. Impressive!
But I wonder about some of the key things I rely on with my Topaz, like spbWallet and iGo.. the app support would want to be just as slick as the UI.
wheresmybeaver said:
I have to say it looks incredible. It's an exceptionally clean and integrated UI, I like how they're playing nice with Gmail, Facebook etc and I'm hoping there's twitter and flickr support and the like.
I remember seeing some crummy looking Windows Mobile 7 "leaked" screenshots a few months ago... they must have been deliberately planting these to throw people off the scent becuase they are nothing like this new UI. They did a hell of a job keeping it under wraps! From dondragonka's video you can see it already looks pretty polished and fast. Impressive!
But I wonder about some of the key things I rely on with my Topaz, like spbWallet and iGo.. the app support would want to be just as slick as the UI.
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those photo's u saw were prolly "photon". it was an early development of winmo7 which they scrapped for what you now see.
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS
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Does that explain why windows phone has 80% market share? Oh wait...
recently MS released WM10 roms for mi phones which worked really well , so if we are able to tweak those roms and firmware , we might be able to port them to other android devices
I would rather looking forward to run Windows 10 Mobile on Android Device.
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I hope we see growth in this type of emulation. Just look at Winulator. That project had so much promise but it was just 1 guy and he abandoned it citing problems with piracy. If that app was perfected you could literally run 99% of directx games ever made natively on any decently powered Android device without having to buy a Surface or some other overpriced MS product. MS still has the gaming industry by the balls, has been that way since we were forced to go to windows 95 because games were developed that wouldn't run on 3.11 anymore.
You can install ANDROID on Lumia Devices now https://youtu.be/cRt575WRzt8
Lololololololol
darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
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LOOOOOOL ---- Why dont you check Android sales -vs- windows phone sale and see who the winner is?! I'm willing to bet $5000 cash that anything you can do on your windows phone I can do better, faster, & more complete with my Android. In other words, put your money where your mouth is!
HEIL WINDOWS
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You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
Convert Windows to Android
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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In my opinion you should not convert your windows phone to an android. Rather you should buy a new android phone. But if you really are not open to buying a new one so try this Android View App. In this way you can at least get the Android UI on your windows phone.
AiOGajo said:
You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
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uh yeah you pretty much can. depends on what you mean by "live tiles" but there are def launchers with live icons and if you really wanted to you could code a live tile launcher that works exactly the same without too much trouble. i had a nokia lumina 710 running wp7 years ago. it was an awful piece of garbage. there was no app development for it at all (not even instagram lol) and even after modding there was very little you could do with it. im sure the platform has progressed since then but nothing beats the huge amount of rom and app dev for android. android is definitely the most flexible and capable mobile operating system but i wouldnt mind having a little side chick windows phone to play with.
as for OP.....yeah probably not gonna happen anytime soon. nobody has time to completely rewrite all the drivers and kernels and firmware and what not from the ground up as is necessary for running an operating system that is systemically varied from the software the hardware was made with in mind. someone mentioned that there was some kind of official builds for some devices and they are right its possible those roms could be ported or something, def your best hope but dont hold your breath