Saw this on msmobilenews.com so i thought i would post it here.
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New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Windows Mobile 5 is the current OS of choice for Windows Mobile users however the next iteration, codenamed Crossbow, has shown its face, check out the full Pocket PC homescreen shown above! It has a glossy title bar and soft keys and will feature Vista-esque folder icons etc.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Pieter Knook, a Microsoft Sr. VP, has commented that Microsoft plan to release an upgrade to their mobile platform yearly which is interesting and could mean a new OS with every yearly upgrade for pay monthly contracts. Knook has also commented that Crossbow will have strong links with Office 2007 and Exchange 12 as well as including the mobile version of Office Communicator, an Instant Messenger tool for enterprises.
New Windows Mobile OS "Crossbow" shows its face
Google cache caught a leaked presentation which told us that Crossbow will be released to manufacturer in Q4 2006 ready for release in Q1/Q2 of 2007 and that the next operating system (codenamed "Photon") will be released to manufacturers in Q4 2007 ready for release in Q1/Q2 2008 (Photon is set to include a new, flexible shell with modular containers and utilise the “Yamazaki” CE kernel).
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Well all i can say is what a HUGE disappointment! Is this really the best M$ can do? If looks are anything to go by, then i have seen far better mods on here. Let's just hope that any enhancements under the "skin" are worthwhile.
Regards,
Colin.
Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?
I cannot conclude from these screenshots what changes are, but if there are again mostly cosmetic changes with increased instability, three times increased size and correspondilngly long boot time, as it was upon change from PPC2003 to WM5... it sucks
The changes from WM2003 to WM5 are far from cosmetic. OK, many of the changes don't *directly* affect users from day one, but as the platform is improved, it makes the developers more productive so you see more, better and cheaper software. Visual C++ and (worse VB) for Embedded Platforms (or whatever it was called) was an utter nightmare. Dotnet compact framework moved the game along enormously and .net 2.0 has utterly improved things again. Take a look at the original 1960s Jaguar XJ6 and then at the current XJ6. They look very similar, but they couldn't be more different under the skin.
Yes, it is true. I was too critical in that reply. There are many positive sides too. What made me nervous are just some points where my good old iPAQ 2210 is better/faster than brand new Universal
And my original XDA is too, but the benefits (for me) outway the problems. If that were not the case, I'd still use the XDA every day. Take a look at this and tell me the changes are just cosmetic
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/09/11/749942.aspx
xplode said:
Why it is dissapointmet to you, the GUI looks nice. How you can comment something that you have never used ?
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My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!
I was surprised with the battery-icon and time.
It's very real. Today I went out to lunch with an old colleague who went out to Bellevue and an MS rep there was flashing folks 2125's, 3125's and 8125's with betas of the new OS. He had a 2125. It had a lot of goodies and looked pretty slick. That would've been nice to get my 8125 fixed up. I played around with his 2125 for a few seconds - was VERY snappy compared to my wife's.
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My disappointment is purely at the cosmetics. You correctly point out that i have never used it. The reason being there are far better looking skins available now for our WM5 PDA's. I guess i wished to see something different. Something that makes you go "Oooh, look at that!" etc.
Never mind, we will just have to wait and see later this year hopefully what exactly all the fuss is about!
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I will be gratefull if you show me more slick skins than this one (please exclude the eten dialer variants) and by skins i mean today theme, dialer, and comm manager
Here's the Windows Mobile Release Map:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Yea, they should call it Microsoft Start 5.0, lol.
I really wish MS would release the update WM5 or later for sale, or even for free...that would stop a lot of hair being pulled out.
starik said:
Why exactly are these things called Windows?? Has anyone ever seen a WINDOW on a pocketpc device??! I sure haven't.
Just an embedded OS with a Start button.
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Dialogue windows are still windows and even if a window occupies the full screen, does that make it any less of a window? Think back to the original analogy: these are windows into the programme. I think the term still fits.
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Yeah, Google has just announced that Android is a platform there is no real GPhone. ok. I'm sure a lot of us are more than interested in getting this platform on our existing phone.
My question to those who understand the internals of our existing HTC phones. Is there hope for us to scrap WinMo and put Android instead. Their website makes it sound like it can be done.
What do you think?
I don't know the answer to that, but it sure seems like it, e specially since Sprint and other carriers are also joining hte Open handset alliance, they may provide support for linking Android with their services and configuration. I can't wait.
Wasn't there a pooled $$ reward that someone set up for the first person who could get Win XP running on the new Intel macs (prior to bootcamp). I suggest a similar motivational scheme (if necessary) to compensate whoever can accomplish a similar feat: getting Android to run on existing HTC hardware.
Anyone interested?
That would be super cool. I mean, I really can't wait...
What if we start a fund-raiser managed by the admins to request donations from members towards the reward? I'm sure that would be even more motivating.
Pool
I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.
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I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.
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It may not be that hard (theoretically) because they (OHA) did all the ground work of getting linux to run on our devices. The work (I think) is in dealing with the customizations for each device. The min requirements they stated seem well below what most of our devices are capable of, so that shouldn't be a problem either. Maybe we'll just have to wait until a device from HTC with that ROM comes out.
WARNING!! I absolutely am talking out of no knowlege.
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source :http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=4676
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HTC and Google are working together to release a new phone that will run on the Android platform. The phone will reportedly have a 3- by 5-inch swivel screen like the SideKick that will automatically rotate from portrait to landscape. It will have a full QWERTY keyboard as well, but the coolest part about the phone is the "time-sensitive" touch menus that will expand depending on how long the users touch the screen.
According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.
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According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.
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The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well... Maybe we shall have better support when Android comes out.
dferreira said:
It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well...
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It was still not bad, when you consider that the code
is actually written without any docs from manufacturer
by 1 person (cp15).
Just look in the xda-dev archive.
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Actually, further speculation concludes that this is the correct rendering of that phone.
cr2 said:
The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
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Think of this though, we're struggling at the moment dealing with stability and functionality issues with WinMo on our devices made for that platform. How much more with a totally alien OS coded by a single individual. In as much as I think it was a great achievement, I do not think it was a workable substitute for WinMo. This however presents a huge posibility ..... my .02.
I figured someone would have created some by now.
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its kinda ugly in my opinion
I'd personally like to see one.
i dont think anyone cares.. I think its kinda ugly.. the phones ugly too..
the only cool thing is that you can move the icons anywhere you want.. other than that.. its meh..
why not judge the final product when it's done, not in the state it's currently in...
pff, already looks much better that any wm6 version i ever saw even with interfaces like mannilla 2d winterface pointui spb ms wad 3 ore anything like that!
Hey,
I would also like to see an Android Skin.
I like it, and its really nicer than WM, it looks like a fingerTouchOS.
Maybe we'll get a skin anytime.
greets doena
Cant be too hard to skin in Throttle Launcher, especially since the next version will support scrolling both vertically and horizontally and with support of panels and on screen object movement.
Goto http://www.throttlelauncher.com
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why not judge the final product when it's done, not in the state it's currently in...
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It's finished! Final!
jdiperla said:
Cant be too hard to skin in Throttle Launcher, especially since the next version will support scrolling both vertically and horizontally and with support of panels and on screen object movement.
Goto http://www.throttlelauncher.com
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I don't think this will be easy in TL. Maybe HS++, probably WAD.
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It's finished! Final!
I don't think this will be easy in TL. Maybe HS++, probably WAD.
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what i think was meant by the TL post is that the new version is going to have moveable widgets.
and honestly .. the way we do the skinning, application dev and hacking, and everything else is done around here..
we can do it.
the device thus far imo looks like a piece o chit!
the device is ugly and the skin itself is just a white topbar, a wallpaper and some icons, can be done with every app here.
Here is my skinned Android. Hope you like it!
egz whats the batt life on it?
I'd like to put here on snooze!
what i like to see now is some Android inspired apps.. i'm quite sick now of pseudo-iPhone apps (well, excluding A_Cs S2 lineup that is)..
how about an application such like the Android drop down notifications.. it's totally replace the bubble notification icon when you have more than 1 notification.. and it's easier to access than pressing that darn icon on the topbar..
it's pretty handy, if you ask me.. i hope someone develops something like that..
here's a video demo of what i am talking about..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-YcGNyJds
I'm a big for on Android (I just ordered my G1 from T-Mobile), but I odn't think there's much to the user interface. The Standard interface can be completely customized so I'm sure we'll see quite a few variations once people actualy get their hands on it. Personally, I'd like to see a TouchFLO 3D type of interface on Andoid which will give access to a lot more information than simply having a desktop with a few widgets and icons on it.
If you're really interested in creating somehting like this, my suggestino would be to do it with Wisbar Advance Desktop. You can quite easily create the look, but it might feel a bit static since it's hard go get thing animated with it.
I believe this is a better Android Skin...!!!!
Better than to have just a simple skin of Android, would be to have the complete OS in our HTC devices!
That would be nice!hope someone is working on that
Cheers
Once they release the source to Android in October and more devices start coming out, I think Android is going to be hard to beat. I bet people will start skinning it right away. It has so much potential.
Almost all that android (the one in the first post ) does will be possible to do with next version of ThrottleLauncher:
- Scrolling footer.
- Widgets.
- Scrolling programs.
- Scrolling contacts.
I don't know if a miss something .
I plan to end a private beta during this week, and it the beta testing goes allright I plan to release it as "unstable build" publically so pleople can start messing with the new features .
I look forward an android skin too . When I'm ended developing this new release I'll gladly help anyone trying to develop a theme for throttle.
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@ StalkerZoner for Diamond 2 firmware is not planned.Of the existing communicators on the market, only HD2 firmware to get WM7.
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http://www.redmondpie.com/windows-mobile-7-confirmed-for-htc-hd2-9140293/
There is a minimum spec hardware requirement for WM7. HD2 meets the spec but sadly Topaz is well below.
Of course, it will be interesting to see what our chefs can do with it
But maybe
I say TP, TP2, D, D2 is PLANED...
WM7 is not just one distrib... like W7 is have two level or more (maybe Pro and Stnd.) I think Stnd is for the old devs....
Maybe this will not be the end, but NOW is plane.
WM7 will have radical new kernel with driver implementation...
one hundred words is one to the end, I hope will be true
http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=94034&start=0
WP7...
Windows Phone 7... official release for TD2... dream on! In all the history of Windows Mobile devices (now Windows Phone devices), I have never seen or heard of a manufacturer / network provider offering official upgrade for a particular device twice.
TD2 has had official upgrade from 6.1 to 6.5... if you think you'll get official WP7 for this device you're living in dream land
However, that doesn't mean we won't get it for our devices. If only there was a web site somewhere with clever chefs who might be able to cook this for us... mmmm
sadly it DOES
I' sorry to bust your bubble guys but WiMo will no longer support resistive touchscreens (such as the one our TD2s have) and will thus not be able to run on the TD2 at all.
I'm pretty sure there is nothing even our chefs can do about that.
also, drivers will be a problem, since there'll be no WP7 device with Topaz hardware specifications. i'm sure some daring guys will try to port, but it will never work like a stock rom is suppose to. hope i'm wrong.
looks like im going to use the android port when shadowline finishes it then
Windows Phone 7 (user interface "METRO") preview...
Anybody know what is the mobile type in this video?
I have to say it looks incredible. It's an exceptionally clean and integrated UI, I like how they're playing nice with Gmail, Facebook etc and I'm hoping there's twitter and flickr support and the like.
I remember seeing some crummy looking Windows Mobile 7 "leaked" screenshots a few months ago... they must have been deliberately planting these to throw people off the scent becuase they are nothing like this new UI. They did a hell of a job keeping it under wraps! From dondragonka's video you can see it already looks pretty polished and fast. Impressive!
But I wonder about some of the key things I rely on with my Topaz, like spbWallet and iGo.. the app support would want to be just as slick as the UI.
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I have to say it looks incredible. It's an exceptionally clean and integrated UI, I like how they're playing nice with Gmail, Facebook etc and I'm hoping there's twitter and flickr support and the like.
I remember seeing some crummy looking Windows Mobile 7 "leaked" screenshots a few months ago... they must have been deliberately planting these to throw people off the scent becuase they are nothing like this new UI. They did a hell of a job keeping it under wraps! From dondragonka's video you can see it already looks pretty polished and fast. Impressive!
But I wonder about some of the key things I rely on with my Topaz, like spbWallet and iGo.. the app support would want to be just as slick as the UI.
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those photo's u saw were prolly "photon". it was an early development of winmo7 which they scrapped for what you now see.
pleasy reply and post why you prefer your selection over others.
this is a discussion thread. feel free to write your opinions.
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My opinion is that this is a useless thread.
the poll is the intresting part.
i simply can't open a poll without a thread.
HD2Owner said:
the poll is the intresting part.
i simply can't open a poll without a thread.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
Ok,Simple
My Home Desktop is a Windows
My Home Notebook is a Windows
My Work Notebook is a Windows
My company's system is a Network of Windows
..........
So for compatibility I prefer Windows Phone 7.
A Windows will be FULLY compatible a Windows Mobile
After all they are brothers.....
Besides HD2 is a Windows Mobile
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
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i saw this but it doesn't differenciate between 6.5 and 6.5.X..
thats the most intresting part... multiple choice is also more detailed in the end...
it's also obvious that in a android dev thread most votes go to android...
Definitely Android!
The more i see from WP7, the more i get bored.. It´s just too simple (squares + text).
android and win 6.5..
waxfresh said:
Definitely Android!
The more i see from WP7, the more i get bored.. It´s just too simple (squares + text).
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if we (da_g to be specific) are able to open up wp7 for unsigned apps etc. it will be a intresting os.
otherwise it's simply too locked down for my taste.
i would love to see android running on this device..
would love to see android on the HD2, went to the HD2 from a Hero and miss the choice of apps on the market.
Well... WinMo 6.5.x isn't so bad, but I feel it a little 'patched'. It's like a car with lots and lots of customizations... but the chassis and motor remains the same. And the closed nature of the SO prevents remodelling these parts.
Anyway, it's not a bad choice, after all.
WP7 is a no-no for me. Just some snippets:
Wikipedia said:
The phones also require a minimum of 8GB of Flash memory since Windows Phone 7 will not support SD card expansion slots.
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The OS may not support multitasking for 3rd party applications or copy & paste at launch. Microsoft has stated that they will implement the copy and paste feature later on via Windows Phone Update and will also implement other features, such as system-wide multi-tasking in ways that make sense, for future releases.
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According to Microsoft documentations, software updates will be delivered to Windows Phone users via Microsoft Update, as they are for desktop Windows users, and the software component, called Windows Phone Update, exists both on the phone (for smaller updates, over-the-air) and in the Zune PC software (for larger updates, via USB connection). Users will be notified to tether their phones to a PC if such an update is required.
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Windows Phone 7 will only run applications that have first been approved by Microsoft and will only be available via the Windows Phone Marketplace.
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Just NO, THANKS.
So, Android is the sane election for me.
And for those who say 'buy a phone with android instead the HD2"... Well, it's a work phone. I didn't choose it
First off, thank you HD2Owner for all of your intresting posts for XDA.
except the WP7 picture, all you have showed as the OS picture is the Sense picture. You should have showed the actual OS home page like WP7( not the second party application, the look becomes appealing in judgment).
On the other hand I would like to play with Android and so as WP7 no matter how restricted they might be but since I have not had an experience with either of them I would love to have them before judgment.
You should have added WinMo 6.1 as there are people still in love with it(developers as well)
I like the regular 6.5 more that 6.5X because it looks simpler but then I am using the Chucky ROM 6.5X and that is simple but problem is that when you theme the ROM you have to theme everything but in lots of time the Devs have not the time to do so. As far as the function 6.5X is better than the rest of them but we are all human and do like change much.
Love to see both Ando and WP7 on HD2 Dual boot or Triple would be awesome.
Thaks for this thread.
until I try windows 7, wimo 6.5 takes the cake.
Android plz!
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i saw this but it doesn't differenciate between 6.5 and 6.5.X..
thats the most intresting part... multiple choice is also more detailed in the end...
it's also obvious that in a android dev thread most votes go to android...
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well it seems that the demand for android isn't just because of the android dev thread
android rocks
I want to see Android OS running on HD2. Is definitely BETTER OS and is developing all the time,also it doesnt need the hardware requiments that WP7 need to run
This poll is skewed.
You have Windows Mobile versions separated yet only one Android version when there are several as well. 6.x should be just one category.
I prefer to have WinMo 6.5.x as my full-time OS, but I definitely want android to boot into when I want to. Luckily, that's how it will be when android gets working on it.
I almost voted for android because that's what I'm most interested in there being more development in, but then I though about it and voted WinMo because that's what I'll still use most of the time. I'm wondering if some of the people who voted for android did so because they knew that WinMo would still be there on the phone and would still use it a lot of the time, or if they would really want android if it got rid of winmo all together. Would everyone who voted android still want just android even if it didn't function fully like most android ports? (ie... didn't use camera, bluetooth, etc... if it didn't make use of all the hardware properly?)
Android/WP7 can wait
Wow, that many people prefer 2 operating systems for the HD2 that don't even run on the HD2. I think the cooked roms for the HD2 are fantastic, especially with 6.5.5. Yes, I'll play with android if and when it is available for the HD2. In the meantime I am stoked to have fantastic hardware with an open OS than I can always tweak and modify to my liking.
Android.
Android on the HD2 would be it for me, especially Froyo.
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
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I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS
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Does that explain why windows phone has 80% market share? Oh wait...
recently MS released WM10 roms for mi phones which worked really well , so if we are able to tweak those roms and firmware , we might be able to port them to other android devices
I would rather looking forward to run Windows 10 Mobile on Android Device.
Sent from my LG-D850 using XDA-Developers mobile app
I hope we see growth in this type of emulation. Just look at Winulator. That project had so much promise but it was just 1 guy and he abandoned it citing problems with piracy. If that app was perfected you could literally run 99% of directx games ever made natively on any decently powered Android device without having to buy a Surface or some other overpriced MS product. MS still has the gaming industry by the balls, has been that way since we were forced to go to windows 95 because games were developed that wouldn't run on 3.11 anymore.
You can install ANDROID on Lumia Devices now https://youtu.be/cRt575WRzt8
Lololololololol
darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
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LOOOOOOL ---- Why dont you check Android sales -vs- windows phone sale and see who the winner is?! I'm willing to bet $5000 cash that anything you can do on your windows phone I can do better, faster, & more complete with my Android. In other words, put your money where your mouth is!
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You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
Convert Windows to Android
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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In my opinion you should not convert your windows phone to an android. Rather you should buy a new android phone. But if you really are not open to buying a new one so try this Android View App. In this way you can at least get the Android UI on your windows phone.
AiOGajo said:
You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
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uh yeah you pretty much can. depends on what you mean by "live tiles" but there are def launchers with live icons and if you really wanted to you could code a live tile launcher that works exactly the same without too much trouble. i had a nokia lumina 710 running wp7 years ago. it was an awful piece of garbage. there was no app development for it at all (not even instagram lol) and even after modding there was very little you could do with it. im sure the platform has progressed since then but nothing beats the huge amount of rom and app dev for android. android is definitely the most flexible and capable mobile operating system but i wouldnt mind having a little side chick windows phone to play with.
as for OP.....yeah probably not gonna happen anytime soon. nobody has time to completely rewrite all the drivers and kernels and firmware and what not from the ground up as is necessary for running an operating system that is systemically varied from the software the hardware was made with in mind. someone mentioned that there was some kind of official builds for some devices and they are right its possible those roms could be ported or something, def your best hope but dont hold your breath