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Even though I've only had my device for 2 weeks, I'm already looking for the next model. I find that I'll need the SanDisk WiFi/256MB combo as I want to run the Skype, SJPhone, and Network tools from the SD card rather than use up the precious RAM. At the moment I have the Spectre WiFi card but need some extra memory.
I know, I know, someone will ask "why not use BIG STORAGE?" the reason why I won't do that is because I have a full one year's warranty on my device and should I sell my device in 6 months time (if I find a suitable upgrade model), the value would increase given that there are some warranty left for the buyer.
I didn't jump on the WM5 bandwagon yet or the new WM5 devices due to early undetected issues. Usually after 4-5 months, a lot of the early problems will be sorted by firmware releases. But yes, I plan to upgrade to the WM5.0 model in about 6 months time. But I'm starting to really like my mini
I'm getting 4 hours of continuous video play (not streaming) on my mini which I'm really happy. I have bluetooth on all the time as well.
My ideal upgrade would be the Dopod 818 Pro. All the accessories for my mini can be used with the Dopod Pro. But my main concern would be the CPU speed...I've configured my mini to run the software I need including about 5-6 plugins and a concern would be how slow the Dopod Pro would be with the same s/ware config as my mini.
Second on my list is the E-Ten M600 which I think blows the mini away with the Samsung processor which is much faster than the Intel equivalent. The M600 screen is also amazing and better than any PDA screens on the market today. Only thing is that the M600 is slightly bigger than the mini and doesn't look as good compared to the mini.
At the moment both Dopod Pro and the M600 still have early teethering problems but should be sorted in a few months time. But the mini growing so much on me right now, I may just decide to keep using it and upgrade maybe next Christmas.
The M600 is made of plastic from what I know, but also some of the new HTC devices are completely made of plastic so that might not be an alternative. There is the HTC Hermes unofficially said to be released in the first half of this year which offers UMTS and will be similar to the Wizard.
If you need WLan badly, then I would consider changing to another device, otherwise, I wouldn't give away my Magician. I also prefer Windows Mobile 2003 from WM5. The speed is often said to be slower with new devices using WM5, even when they have a faster CPU.
That's true M600 is made of plastic but that's not an issue for a lot of people. The thing I like about the M600 is the Samsung CPU (I tested the Samsung 300MHz CPU on the HP rx1950 running WM 5.0 and it was amazingly fast!) and the new tech LCD screen plus it already has working A2DP bluetooth functions, WLAN, and although camera is only 1.3MP but is comparable with the Nokias. The Dopod 818 Pro (Prophet) camera is the best 2.0MP in any PocketPC but maybe let down by poor CPU performance.
WM5.0 will gradually improve within 6 months time as more s/ware developers improve their s/ware to be WM5 compatible. Initial release bugs bugs will be ironed out of the WM5 devices.
The Magician is truly a striking PocketPC handheld no doubt about that. I won't consider any devices larger than the Magician/O2 mini but M600 is an exception (only a few mm longer and thicker). The whole point of a PocketPC phone is to have it small, light and fits nicely into your pocket like the Nokias not look like bricks in your hand :-D
I think O2 Atom, HTC Prophet (Dopod 818 Pro), and the M600 are the closest to Magician in terms of size and cosmetic features.
On the PPCSG forum people are not experiencing any performance problems with the 200MHz OMAP processor. More clock speed does NOT necessarily mean more performance. Look at the AMD vs Intel scenarion on the PCs for example! It's all about MIPS.
My next purchase will be the Dopod 818 Pro. The camera is amazing, and with a proper task manager that closes programs rather than minimising them, the speed is more than acceptable. More battery life is also welcome!
skype
hi noob,
you also can use skype on your magician after you have synced your jam via bluetooth with your pc.
i use it and there is no problem. you also can use many apps like this if you sync your jam via bt with your pc
greets
serhataga
what do u think about t-mo compact II?
hi serhataga,
what a great idea...didn't think of that one. will give it a go....kinda of using the mini as a headset.... :-D
The T-mobile MDA Compact II is the HTC Prophet (also sold as Dopod 818 Pro). I like to get my hands on one and test it for myself but unfortunately in Australia, O2 and i-Mate are the HTC resellers. No Dopod or MDA brands and buying from overseas will be a headache especially with warranties.
The biggest advantage of the MDA Compact II is that you can keep using your magician accessories with it, your cases, chargers, screen protectors, stylus etc. Also the camera is undoubtedly the BEST on any PPC to date. The CPU maybe a concern especially it's only running at 200MHz. It's fine for some users but for others it's just too slow. Best to test out a shelf display model at your local store before making a decision whether to buy.
If you are in Australia like me, you'll have to wait till i-Mate releases their version of Magician II.
I think, at least in germany, the MDA compact 2 is based on the HTC Charmer, not the Prophet. The Charmer is kind of a bad joke, since it has the (yes, it definitely is) slower 200 MHZ OMAP CPU and no WLan or keyboard. This makes it a very bad choice if you ask me. The prophet hasn't been release in germany as well, same with the Atom, which seems to be the most interesting at the moment (what about the quality of its camera by the way?).
That's right Dandie, the MDA Compact II is not like the Dopod 818 Pro. It is basically the same as the Magician but has WM5 and the OMAP processor. The prophet has more hardware buttons, 2MP camera and WiFi 801.11g! The real Magician II!!
I love my Imate Jam to death. I will not sell it but maybe give it away to my wife cos I want it to stay in the family.
I have only two devices in mind to replace my Jam... it would either be the O2 Atom or the Eten M600.
I would prefer the Atom because of it's size and built-in radio. As for the M600, I would have it compete directly with HTC because of its affordable price and a different interface.
As for my Jam, I am a very proud owner and I am glad about the progress made to it to bring new life into it. From the Big Storage Rom to A2DP and improve BT. Despite being lagged of not being able to be moved to WM5, it sure is putting up a fight and that's what I like about it... being an underdog and coming out shining.
I couldn't resist any longer and ordered a Dopod 818 pro from Expansys HK, in stock and very well priced!
The JAM is a beautiful device and the Prophet is based on it! Plus WM5, Wifi, much better camera and EDGE ...
As a side note, the 02 Atom was very tempting but the initial feedback from the people who bought it is not encouraging at all. On PPCSG forums, people who bought the Atom went back from their decision and changed it with the Prophet. The built quality of the Atom was not satisfactory, buggy software and sloooooow.
kta, give us a review of the Dopod Pro in two weeks time as to its performance. Definitely want to know about the CPU performance.
Sure, no problem
The Magician is the pioneer for a mobile phone/pda combo. You can't help but want it due to it's small size form factor. Forget about the Wizards and Universals...Magicians are the coolest PDA-Phones today
well..until the Dopod 818 Pro and E-Ten M600 take over
Hi mates, i'm going to break the line and will change to Nokia N70, less buggy and with fully funtional BT. ( F.O. Htc)
I only have a Magician now but here is what I found from recent PDA phone
I think O2 Atom is a better replacement for Magician. It even smaller than Magician and has built-in A2DP and wifi. The only drawback is it use mini-SD and we have to give up our investment on SD card.
818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....) Battery life of 818 Pro is better but people complaints about it's lagginng when running multiple programs. Also, Skype is not running very good on 818 pro.
Here is a benchmark test on various PDA phone: http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=7796&sid=77e4cfd56835b0f3e33dc0da98fd7780 U may found Atom is not very attractive in the test. But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
Only one device will make me change :
The upcoming MIO Mitac A701 !!!
WOW.
Gtot
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818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....)
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A2DP will defintely be available as this was comfirmed by Microsoft. AKU2.0 will have it!
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But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
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I'm surprised you say this. Just look at the your own posted benchmarks, and the 416MHz on the Atom is not really a good alternative!
Woohoo..E-Ten M600 killed 'em all at benchmark....
Atom's slowness could be a firmware issue but expect it to do better in tests 6 months time.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4190.html
Wow the Mio PDA-Phone is to die for but only thing isthat it lacks Wi-Fi, but GPS is a good compromise.....it's also around the size of a Magician
Features Comparison of Trinity with HTC P3300 and HTC TyTN :http://www.mypocketpcmobile.com/HTCP3300HTCP3600HTCTyTNFeatures/tabid/151/Default.aspx
so in terms of performance wise, reliability n all which device wld u pick? i am personally looking at either the p3300 or p3600
Dopod 838 Pro (Hermes) or Dopod D810 / HTC P3600 (Trinity)
Which should buy?
Beside the QWERTY that Hermes has, what are the difference?
definitely Trinity, the 838pro doesnt really interest me at all, good sound quality thats all other then that still the Trinity coz been a Magician user for quite some time already and really like to get a replacement similar to that of my current device so will definitely sway towards the Trinity
just my 2 cents.
Trinity comes with AKU 3.01 meaning better BT stack and WPA2 suport.
Having said that, Trinity feels much snappier in terms of device speed. I do not know if that hardware or software related issue.
Your signature shows a lot of experience with the devices! Is trinity really the capo of them all?
@victoradjei
ok. kind of difficult to judge when you have all of them at the same time
Hermes - a bit ... thick.. for my taste and slooow in comparison with Trinity.
Trinity has _very_ consumer look. IPODesque...
Artemis - I hate Rollr
star trek - nice phone, clam shell form factor is not for me though. My wife loves it
Breeze - just another phone. nice feature set ....
Oxygen - stable, great battery life, very nice entry level Smartphone. We love it.
Excalibur - ladies and gentlemen, we have winner here
I have to say : I absolutely love it.
I think the HTC Tytn is the best device.
Hermes 200 has _VERY BAD_ d-pad.( HTC TyTN)
you phone seems to be Hermes 100. Yes, it is very good.
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I think the HTC Tytn is the best device.
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Hi....Just wondering, because my contract with o2 just finished and I was looking for a replacement for my XDA Mini S...and what's the best phone for me now . I'm looking for a 3G phone, with built in GPS, WiFi, fast processor and good looking one (for my pleasure only, not to show up ;p ), which fits into pocket and, and, and...I was thinking about XDA Orbit, XDA Trion maybe (no GPS, but 400 MHz, 3G etc)....but then, hey, HTC Trinity...Guys do you know, that you have probably the best phone ever made ? 3G, Video Calling, GPS, 400MHz (which can be overclocked - 500MHZ probably !), WiFi, great shape etc. 99% decided to get it with Orange now). Anyway just want to ask about some things...:
1. GPS. I'm using it a lot now (with my Mini S, external Bluetooth GPS). Found some threads about it, looks good, but if you can rate it - 1-10 please (does it loose the signal, reconnecting time etc, all together). And do you need to subscribe to any Orange GPRS packets etc. for using the GPS (like in Nokia N95, you need to pay £50/year to use build-in GPS) ? I'm gonna use different GPS software, not the one provided by Orange...
2. Battery drain. Practically. Cause I'v changed my Mini S ROM to a custom WM6 and the battery hold much, MUCH longer. Any problems with this phone ? Maybe not the phone, but software and how it handles the CPU and RAM usage (I'm gonna probably change the ROM to a custom WM6 anyway).
3. Are there any "-" of it, cause it looks great, as I said .
Thanks for any help.
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Hi....Just wondering, because my contract with o2 just finished and I was looking for a replacement for my XDA Mini S...and what's the best phone for me now . I'm looking for a 3G phone, with built in GPS, WiFi, fast processor and good looking one (for my pleasure only, not to show up ;p ), which fits into pocket and, and, and...I was thinking about XDA Orbit, XDA Trion maybe (no GPS, but 400 MHz, 3G etc)....but then, hey, HTC Trinity...Guys do you know, that you have probably the best phone ever made ? 3G, Video Calling, GPS, 400MHz (which can be overclocked - 500MHZ probably !), WiFi, great shape etc. 99% decided to get it with Orange now).
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It was pretty good until this came along!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/05/24/htc-kaiser-unboxing/#more-931
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It was pretty good until this came along!
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/05/24/htc-kaiser-unboxing/#more-931
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that is..if you like slideout keyboards . otherwise the Trinity is one of the best devices produced by HTC (in my opinion).
Yes, I agree.... except for the lack of a macro function on its camera (à la HTC Prophet) the Trinity is a very competent all-rounder
After much searching since my First Trinity was run over by a car, I ordered one more - a white one. Nothing else has all of the features that are important to me. I actually hoped to find a new device that fit my needs but there is still nothing else!
Having said that, I was not happy with the black coating peeling TWICE. Sent it in for repair and it peeled again.
Ordered white. I have a black case to hide my shame.
It's the best looking HTC phone.
>>After much searching since my First Trinity was run over by a car, I ordered one more - a white one. Nothing else has all of the features that are important to me. I actually hoped to find a new device that fit my needs but there is still nothing else!
Where did you find a white one? Did it come with the GPS active?
Smart Mobile Gadgets got one (or more) in. Got it today. The white is pretty cool. I don't like it as much as my black one but it isn't an eyesore like I thought it might be.
It has a ROM dated in March 07. GPS active and Tom Tom CD in the box. I have 64 Mb free mem and it won't install. I'll figure that out later
Its the best PDA I've owned.
Looks good, nice size and most importantly works well.
Mine can be a littleslowwith some applications, but #I think the problem is due to the type of mini SD card I've installed my applications on.
The GPS function is great. Once you tweak it a bit, it will work as well as any of the stand alone devices.
Only downside is that HTC and the service providers are looking very reticent about issuing a Windows Mobile 6 Rom.
XDA Flame
If or when this comes out I think it could be a great handset ... apart from that I really like my M700, apart from the fiddling around to get Phonepad back, much better than my old M500
1. GPS works a dream. Was a bit worried about the Qualcomm chip - but despite it being apparently less sensitive than a SIRF III I get great results and have never had a problem. TTTF 2 mins maximum. You do not need subscriber services for GPS to work. although A-GPS is network dependent (quicker fix by downloading satellite info from your GSM provider). I recommend Tomtom - it's the best I've tried - and as long as you have 6.0.3 it recognizes the interal GPS as Internal GPS device instead of other NMEA device. 2.Battery drain not a problem - especially since the WM6 cooked ROMs for trinity have come out - a dream! 3. Only plusses for the Trinity. Especially if you get it from Orange (white) coz the only - about the Trinity is the paint peeling issue - which can be resolved like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307949. Go get yourself a Trinity today!
I still own a HTC Prophet and got a Treo 750v a few weeks ago.
The Prophet has a lot of things that I really like and the Trinity has the same specs, with a faster processor and GPS off course..
But what I like about the Treo is that it handles the phone functions superb! As well as ergonimics of the device.
The only thing I really miss is the options to tweak my device as much as you can with the Prophet/Trinity. I guess that this is caused by the facted that Palm is aiming at real business users and HTC is aiming at a more general market.
So if my Prophet died and I would have to buy a similar device I'd choose the Trinity without a doubt, but for now the Treo wins this match as far as I'm concerned
Thanks for your answers...anyway decided to get O2 XDA Orbit instead and wait for something with some more RAM . Gonna get it on Monday, play around....and who knows, maybe I'll switch back to Trinity.
hi all looking at getting a trinity 3600 because i need stanalone gps, pda and a phone that takes my 3 sim card. just wondering b4 i take the plunge is there another phone that will meet my requirements that anybody thinks is better than the 3600 cheers
Other devices...
Well, the HTC Advantage can do all the same things, plus it has a VGA screen, but is a much more bulky device. The only other device I'm aware of that does all that the Trinity does is the Nokia N95. The Nokia has the advantage of a 5MP camera (only 2mp on the Trinity), but it doesn't run pocket PC (it's Symbian I think).
Other than that, I'm not aware of any others. The Trinity is a very good device, you'd be hard pushed to beat it!
Lee
but Advantage i read can only be used as a phone using a headset
it dont have a mic or something
polaris the upcomming replacement for Artemis but it's not out yet
another option could be Kaiser is another option if one is not bothered by the extre thickness the keyboard adds or even pref a keyboard
thanks for your replies the n95 i think you have to pay for the gps service I dont think it has a built in sirfstar 3 chipset or any alike so i would not go for that but i will have a look at the kaiser cheers
Yes, N95 runs Symbian, but no touchscreen. I've tried it a few days ago - much slower than my N73.
Other options
As of now the Trinity is one of the best PDA'a around.
Other phones that you can consider are the Asus P535/525 series and the Eten M700.
These phones have all the feature the Trinity has and then some more. Like all phones, the Trinity also has its fair share of problems.
I was about to buy the Trinity but holding out for the Kaiser, it has all the feature that I want in a phone.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers,
Hiren
i'll wait for polaris or nike myself
dont want a slideout keyboard
polaris looks really good just took a look out in october ultra thin aswell says 3.5 in screen does that make the phone bigger than the mda 3 compact and is it defo 3g because it was the mda i wanted but only 2g
hi...
is there a better phone/pda? interesting question....
If you are using it mostly like a phone I wouldnt go for the trinity because of two issues:
* I need a quite strong GSM signal to get acceptable sound quality. People I call often complain about the quality of my voice when compared to a 'normal' phone. Maybe is my device, people in this forum say, but I tried some proposed remedies without success.
* Screen is nearly invisible outdoors on a sunny day
If you are using mostly PDA features, the trinity may be an interesting option. The rest of features work really well, specially GPS.
Beware a new (pricey) trinity version is to be released soon (or maybe already). Hopefully they solve these issues plus the paint peeling off thing. Then it would be the perfect phone.
Depends on what you value!
If you need the phone for business, don't get a PDA phone coz the reception is NOT 100% reliable...
What do you need the PDA for?
All in all, it might be better to get a TomTom GO, then a cheap phone with bluetooth that can connect to TomTom!
But as previously said, D810X is meant to be coming out, no idea when and how much though.
D810x is out in Australia as the HTC p3600i.
i think dell axim x51 is very good for gaming but it dont have a camera!
Polaris looks its gonna be great! I remember reading it only has 400mhz cpu :S
I had this phone for about 2mths its the greatest phone in the world except in virginia reception sucks with cingular. So i have to change despite my many long waiting period of finding any way to keep it.
So im gonna sell this. Now i need something either comparable or better, the size is not an issue for me as i would keep this if the reception was better.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Hi dude!
I had... a mean I have a UNIVERSAL, so I try to sell... je je
My new baby is Athena or HTC Advantage X7500... it's awsome.
At first glance it's bigger... but the design it's really nice and light.
Find the specifications you'll love: http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_x7500.htm
So the UNI it's cool too but I have since 2005...
davicito
HTC Omni - it'll be the REAL Universal replacement.
Did you consider changing to T-Mobile?
If you can bear QVGA, try Tytn II
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If you can bear QVGA, try Tytn II
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The TyTn II (Kaiser) would be almost perfect, if only it had a damn VGA screen
I don't know why all the new HTC devices have micro-SD slots, I love normal sized SD cards because they are very cheap and very high capacity (8GB SDHC cards only £29.99 on eBay!). And what's with all these 2.5mm (and even mini-USB) headphone sockets?! The 3.5mm jack on the Universal is perfect, so why change it HTC!
I also like the cheap 3rd party add-ons for the Uni, I have a 3200mAH battery which was like $20 from eBay, and now 5200mAH are even available! So your phone can run with light use for almost 2 weeks without needing a single charge, no other phone even comes close to the Uni for battery life
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If you can bear QVGA, try Tytn II
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exactly how much of a difference would QVGA on a PPC make? The only QVGA phone I have used (and own) is a nokia 6300 and that would be too small for me.
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The TyTn II (Kaiser) would be almost perfect, if only it had a damn VGA screen
... no other phone even comes close to the Uni for battery life
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Nor size for that matter, save the ancient analog (with the exception of the motorola GSM brick) devices of yore. *fond memories of hitting people over the head with a motorola MC750*
sl9 said:
The TyTn II (Kaiser) would be almost perfect, if only it had a damn VGA screen
I don't know why all the new HTC devices have micro-SD slots, I love normal sized SD cards because they are very cheap and very high capacity (8GB SDHC cards only £29.99 on eBay!). And what's with all these 2.5mm (and even mini-USB) headphone sockets?! The 3.5mm jack on the Universal is perfect, so why change it HTC!
I also like the cheap 3rd party add-ons for the Uni, I have a 3200mAH battery which was like $20 from eBay, and now 5200mAH are even available! So your phone can run with light use for almost 2 weeks without needing a single charge, no other phone even comes close to the Uni for battery life
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Yes. I am sticking with my Universal. I just bought a TyTN II and its going to my Uncle. I am actually planning to buy O2 XDA Flame but I will cancel on that because it has microSD and no SD. So I will wait for I-mate ultimate 7150 or HTC Omni. No exceptions. Our Universal is the best!!!! Even HTC Athena sux!!!
Go HTC Universal!!!!
ya i wish i could wait to either afford em or wait for the release but with my reception problems i cant
dang it for me
Hey Nuclear - DO NOT apply the upgrade for your iPhone when you get notified its available - Apple are BRICKING unlocked phones with this update!! It's happened all over the place.. be aware!
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Yes. I am sticking with my Universal. I just bought a TyTN II and its going to my Uncle. I am actually planning to buy O2 XDA Flame but I will cancel on that because it has microSD and no SD. So I will wait for I-mate ultimate 7150 or HTC Omni. No exceptions. Our Universal is the best!!!! Even HTC Athena sux!!!
Go HTC Universal!!!!
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the I-mate ultimate has been scraped and the htc omni looks a distant dream at best
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the I-mate ultimate has been scraped and the htc omni looks a distant dream at best
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Yeah, a real shame to as an upgraded Universal is about the only thing I would consider buying right now. Universal was the perfect size and usability. I just wish it had a few upgrades (quad band, faster cpu, gpu, built-in gps, ext display, more memory).
I almost upgraded to Athena, but it is a bit to big, and the keyboard is just held on magnetically, not really a clamshell, hinged thing and so doesn't meet the need of being able to easily flip it open and type anywhere as there is that possibility of the main phone dropping away from the keyboard while typing on the go. Plus the size and no vibrate were deal killers.
The Universal is just perfect. Small enough to use as a phone should the BT headset not be handy. Form and Function it is just amazing.
Anyone considering the ETEN Glofiish M800 yet?
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6768.html
I have used the Alpine,Trinity, Tynt II and Polaris now.
I am now looking for a replacement of the HTC Universal - screen size 3,5 with a nice keayboard with BT, Wifi, A-GPS, FM radio etc...
Any ideas?
Thanks
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I have used the Alpine,Trinity, Tynt II and Polaris now.
I am now looking for a replacement of the HTC Universal - screen size 3,5 with a nice keayboard with BT, Wifi, A-GPS, FM radio etc...
Any ideas?
Thanks
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I would recommend to wait a few months, HTC is going to launch Rhodium!!
I think it can be a good Universal succesor (Till now there are not any)
Don´t forget to vote!
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Sounds like the Nokia E90 If you love Windows Mobile and can't live without a touchscreen then this is probably not acceptable.
I have both an E90 and an XDA EXEC and swap my SIM between them depending on what I need to use my phone for, but the SIM tends to stay longer in the E90 as I find it more and more difficult to be without the:
- larger screen,
- better web browser,
- better camera with VGA recording!,
- better battery life: I charge my E90 once or twice every week if I don't use the GPS,
- faster 3G,
- call recording using IVCM: saves me money on not having to pay my operator for this!,
- super-duper sound quality from Nokia HS-39W stereo Bluetooth headset with Sony MDR-EX71 earbuds) and
- more stable OS: the E90 has only crashed twice since I bought it half a year ago and that was before I updated to the latest version.
But with all these things that the E90 does better, it lacks a touchscreen which is a constant pain in the backside, and the Office suite is especially painful to use without a stylus. Try scrolling through a 1000+ line Excel file using only the cursor keys...