Even though I've only had my device for 2 weeks, I'm already looking for the next model. I find that I'll need the SanDisk WiFi/256MB combo as I want to run the Skype, SJPhone, and Network tools from the SD card rather than use up the precious RAM. At the moment I have the Spectre WiFi card but need some extra memory.
I know, I know, someone will ask "why not use BIG STORAGE?" the reason why I won't do that is because I have a full one year's warranty on my device and should I sell my device in 6 months time (if I find a suitable upgrade model), the value would increase given that there are some warranty left for the buyer.
I didn't jump on the WM5 bandwagon yet or the new WM5 devices due to early undetected issues. Usually after 4-5 months, a lot of the early problems will be sorted by firmware releases. But yes, I plan to upgrade to the WM5.0 model in about 6 months time. But I'm starting to really like my mini
I'm getting 4 hours of continuous video play (not streaming) on my mini which I'm really happy. I have bluetooth on all the time as well.
My ideal upgrade would be the Dopod 818 Pro. All the accessories for my mini can be used with the Dopod Pro. But my main concern would be the CPU speed...I've configured my mini to run the software I need including about 5-6 plugins and a concern would be how slow the Dopod Pro would be with the same s/ware config as my mini.
Second on my list is the E-Ten M600 which I think blows the mini away with the Samsung processor which is much faster than the Intel equivalent. The M600 screen is also amazing and better than any PDA screens on the market today. Only thing is that the M600 is slightly bigger than the mini and doesn't look as good compared to the mini.
At the moment both Dopod Pro and the M600 still have early teethering problems but should be sorted in a few months time. But the mini growing so much on me right now, I may just decide to keep using it and upgrade maybe next Christmas.
The M600 is made of plastic from what I know, but also some of the new HTC devices are completely made of plastic so that might not be an alternative. There is the HTC Hermes unofficially said to be released in the first half of this year which offers UMTS and will be similar to the Wizard.
If you need WLan badly, then I would consider changing to another device, otherwise, I wouldn't give away my Magician. I also prefer Windows Mobile 2003 from WM5. The speed is often said to be slower with new devices using WM5, even when they have a faster CPU.
That's true M600 is made of plastic but that's not an issue for a lot of people. The thing I like about the M600 is the Samsung CPU (I tested the Samsung 300MHz CPU on the HP rx1950 running WM 5.0 and it was amazingly fast!) and the new tech LCD screen plus it already has working A2DP bluetooth functions, WLAN, and although camera is only 1.3MP but is comparable with the Nokias. The Dopod 818 Pro (Prophet) camera is the best 2.0MP in any PocketPC but maybe let down by poor CPU performance.
WM5.0 will gradually improve within 6 months time as more s/ware developers improve their s/ware to be WM5 compatible. Initial release bugs bugs will be ironed out of the WM5 devices.
The Magician is truly a striking PocketPC handheld no doubt about that. I won't consider any devices larger than the Magician/O2 mini but M600 is an exception (only a few mm longer and thicker). The whole point of a PocketPC phone is to have it small, light and fits nicely into your pocket like the Nokias not look like bricks in your hand :-D
I think O2 Atom, HTC Prophet (Dopod 818 Pro), and the M600 are the closest to Magician in terms of size and cosmetic features.
On the PPCSG forum people are not experiencing any performance problems with the 200MHz OMAP processor. More clock speed does NOT necessarily mean more performance. Look at the AMD vs Intel scenarion on the PCs for example! It's all about MIPS.
My next purchase will be the Dopod 818 Pro. The camera is amazing, and with a proper task manager that closes programs rather than minimising them, the speed is more than acceptable. More battery life is also welcome!
skype
hi noob,
you also can use skype on your magician after you have synced your jam via bluetooth with your pc.
i use it and there is no problem. you also can use many apps like this if you sync your jam via bt with your pc
greets
serhataga
what do u think about t-mo compact II?
hi serhataga,
what a great idea...didn't think of that one. will give it a go....kinda of using the mini as a headset.... :-D
The T-mobile MDA Compact II is the HTC Prophet (also sold as Dopod 818 Pro). I like to get my hands on one and test it for myself but unfortunately in Australia, O2 and i-Mate are the HTC resellers. No Dopod or MDA brands and buying from overseas will be a headache especially with warranties.
The biggest advantage of the MDA Compact II is that you can keep using your magician accessories with it, your cases, chargers, screen protectors, stylus etc. Also the camera is undoubtedly the BEST on any PPC to date. The CPU maybe a concern especially it's only running at 200MHz. It's fine for some users but for others it's just too slow. Best to test out a shelf display model at your local store before making a decision whether to buy.
If you are in Australia like me, you'll have to wait till i-Mate releases their version of Magician II.
I think, at least in germany, the MDA compact 2 is based on the HTC Charmer, not the Prophet. The Charmer is kind of a bad joke, since it has the (yes, it definitely is) slower 200 MHZ OMAP CPU and no WLan or keyboard. This makes it a very bad choice if you ask me. The prophet hasn't been release in germany as well, same with the Atom, which seems to be the most interesting at the moment (what about the quality of its camera by the way?).
That's right Dandie, the MDA Compact II is not like the Dopod 818 Pro. It is basically the same as the Magician but has WM5 and the OMAP processor. The prophet has more hardware buttons, 2MP camera and WiFi 801.11g! The real Magician II!!
I love my Imate Jam to death. I will not sell it but maybe give it away to my wife cos I want it to stay in the family.
I have only two devices in mind to replace my Jam... it would either be the O2 Atom or the Eten M600.
I would prefer the Atom because of it's size and built-in radio. As for the M600, I would have it compete directly with HTC because of its affordable price and a different interface.
As for my Jam, I am a very proud owner and I am glad about the progress made to it to bring new life into it. From the Big Storage Rom to A2DP and improve BT. Despite being lagged of not being able to be moved to WM5, it sure is putting up a fight and that's what I like about it... being an underdog and coming out shining.
I couldn't resist any longer and ordered a Dopod 818 pro from Expansys HK, in stock and very well priced!
The JAM is a beautiful device and the Prophet is based on it! Plus WM5, Wifi, much better camera and EDGE ...
As a side note, the 02 Atom was very tempting but the initial feedback from the people who bought it is not encouraging at all. On PPCSG forums, people who bought the Atom went back from their decision and changed it with the Prophet. The built quality of the Atom was not satisfactory, buggy software and sloooooow.
kta, give us a review of the Dopod Pro in two weeks time as to its performance. Definitely want to know about the CPU performance.
Sure, no problem
The Magician is the pioneer for a mobile phone/pda combo. You can't help but want it due to it's small size form factor. Forget about the Wizards and Universals...Magicians are the coolest PDA-Phones today
well..until the Dopod 818 Pro and E-Ten M600 take over
Hi mates, i'm going to break the line and will change to Nokia N70, less buggy and with fully funtional BT. ( F.O. Htc)
I only have a Magician now but here is what I found from recent PDA phone
I think O2 Atom is a better replacement for Magician. It even smaller than Magician and has built-in A2DP and wifi. The only drawback is it use mini-SD and we have to give up our investment on SD card.
818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....) Battery life of 818 Pro is better but people complaints about it's lagginng when running multiple programs. Also, Skype is not running very good on 818 pro.
Here is a benchmark test on various PDA phone: http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=7796&sid=77e4cfd56835b0f3e33dc0da98fd7780 U may found Atom is not very attractive in the test. But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
Only one device will make me change :
The upcoming MIO Mitac A701 !!!
WOW.
Gtot
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818 Pro doesn't have build-in A2DP yet (People said they will have it in the future but who knows....)
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A2DP will defintely be available as this was comfirmed by Microsoft. AKU2.0 will have it!
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But for me, the 200mzh CPU of 818 Pro really worry me most....
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I'm surprised you say this. Just look at the your own posted benchmarks, and the 416MHz on the Atom is not really a good alternative!
Woohoo..E-Ten M600 killed 'em all at benchmark....
Atom's slowness could be a firmware issue but expect it to do better in tests 6 months time.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4190.html
Wow the Mio PDA-Phone is to die for but only thing isthat it lacks Wi-Fi, but GPS is a good compromise.....it's also around the size of a Magician
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Hi all,
To be honest, I don't know why many ppl complain about the EXEC.
I have been using mine for a month now.
I never did any rom upgrade, just use the original O2 rom, apart from installing it via the corporate install (o2 ext is too slow and big/useless). Then I notice my speed is quick, everything is fine. Stable and no problem. Even Tomtom 5.1 never failed on my device.
I never encounter the slowliness or bugs that other ppl is talking about with my original rom.
Does anyone else agree with me?
To be honest, I think perhaps the buggy version is the original HTC rom.
I do agree with you. To be honest, I do feel it's slower than my old XDAIIs, but that's probably because the programs haven't been properly optimised for WM5 and WM5 itself is still very buggy. Yet, it's still very useable and I don't feel that it's too slow for regular usage. It has also been perfectly stable!
To be honest for me it sucks..
Changed to corporate install yet too slow.
Available storages (RAM and Flash) to less around 40-50 meg each.
Some of programs doesn't work when installed on SD storage.
And yet to get Tomtom running..
Feeling disappointment with Exec.
slower than my old XDAIIs
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I only saw a glimpse of an Exec in action so I couldn't really judge the speed, but I hope you're wrong about that. The 2s is horribly slow!
The XDA2 performed almost as fast as a device with a 400mhz processor should. The XDA2s had an improved processor and memory and yet managed to be much slower and far less stable. The XDA Exec has a far faster processor and yet manages to run even slower?!?!?! WTF?!?! Does nobody else see a problem here?
Perhaps if HTC tried to make their next PPC slower it will end up performing better? I mean, my 400mhz, 128mb RAM XDA2s struggles to run a simple caller ID program quick enough for me to tell who is calling before they hang up.
My 10mhz (guesstimate) nokia 5110 in 1998 had working caller ID. This leads me to a simple conclusion: either we're lied to about proccessing power and memory specs of our PPCs OR the people who program windows mobile are ****tards. I'm leaning towards the second option
Why not just do soem simple product testing and spend 2 weeks resolving issues before selling these things as a working product?! I'm sure it wouldn't kill them!
Rant over.
I think the slow came from WM5 CE ROM , I did try Dopod 900 ROM flush to O2 Exec the speed better than O2 ROM
Xda IIs if upgrade to WM5 and overloack to 530 that speed better than Exec , but depend how you used and how you look for ,I think you remember how we used pentium II or III or Iv samething will come with PPC.
mike freegan - I'm with you regarding the lack of product testing. I use PDAs and Smartphones from Symbian and Palm so I know what sort of quality one should expect. A lot of PPC/WM5 users (fans?) say that the JJ/Exec is a PDA and therefore we should not epxect too much from the phone functionality. Well I disagree as the JJ/Exec has video and voice calling - why have these if they are not really functional? I am certain the issue is software development, integration & testing. I think we'll have to wait 6 months before WM5 problems have been sorted, in time for Vista! Also regarding speed, this is to do with the hardware architetcure. Using flash memory for persistent storage does make the overall performance slower and the high res screen must require more processing for rendering etc. So I think we need to wait for JJ II or Exec2 for hardware improvements (like more fast RAM).
Don't know about the Exec vs XDAIIs, but my JasJar is a definite step forward from my PDA2K.
I haven't experienced any of the millions of problems being reported either, so I guess I'm one of the lucky ones!
tested a friend's xda exec (can't seem to find a good deal for a universal here in the US) and it works fine ... as for myself, i'm stuck with my o2 xda 2s until a good option for me to get either the xda exec, htc wizard or the sonyericsson p990 ...
since upgrading my xda 2s with O2 UK's latest ROM i've rarely reset my phone. the only major upgrade i did with O2 UK's ROM was to upgrade the radio to 1.13 ... never had any problems with it and use both the blackberry connect and the exchange active sync functions on it and it works fine ...i've used the terminal services and VNC functions on my phone to log on to the different servers i maintain within a local network and from externally and they have a good connections the only issue would be the obvious limitation of screen size .... bluetooth is ok compared to my sony ericsson p910i but the 2s is more of a pda than the p910 ....
can't wait for my next upgrade .... damn if only the US would actually realize that we're 4 years behind everybody else when it comes to mobile technology ....
@difensore, is the Treo 700w an option for you on Verizon using Evdo (which is better for speed then the Euro UMTS)
I'm using JasJar for over one month now, and I can say that it's a fantastic device, there is no doubt there are some bugs, but due to the softwares installed on devices which had no enough time to be tested properly.
If you want to proove this, just hard reset your device, and use it before installing any software and you will see the difference, with me it worked like a charm.
Universal is a fantastic and amaizing device.
It's a new technology, the smallest and the lightest lap top I've ever seen.
Regards,
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The 2s is horribly slow!
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This is true if you've left all the o2 software running on it. Without the o2 software and with proper task managers running, it runs as fast as any Pocket PC should. Not as quick as a wish, but enough to function very well as both a phone and a Pocket PC!
This applies to both the XDAIIs and the XDA EXEC, in my humble opinon!
If anyone has removed *every* O2 active application from the startup and it still runs slow, I'd love to hear from you guys!
I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
If you want to get an idea of what it's REALLY going to be like, I suggest you visit the BA Upgrading Forum at xda-dev and download the TuMa v1.4 ROM of WM5 and take the plunge of upgrading your device. It will give you an apples-to-apples idea of how WM5 runs on a device with the same configuration.
There's no easy answer to your question. In short WM2003SE is faster, but the utility gained by moving to the newer OS far surpasses the benefit of speed. That's just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.
But the Universal has a faster processor than the Blue Angel.
Isn't the user experience about similar, because of the faster processor (slowness of WM 5 being compensated by the increased CPU speed)?
I think most people will tell you that the jump from the BA CPU to the Universal CPU is nominal (at best). Certainly under the WM5, this is the case.
Yes, perhaps the bump in speed for the CPU should compensate, but in reality it does so only a bit. This is because of the inherent operation of WM5 (i.e. the stuff is executed out of ROM, which is slower than RAM).
For details see Mike C.'s excellent post http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx
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I have a HTC Blue Angel (also called Qtek 9090, XDA III) and I'd like to buy a HTC Universal (XDA Exec, Qtek 9000) to replace it.
However, I keep hearing that it's slow, and that it's slower than the Blue Angel.
Is this true, or are the people who say it's slow using it in a wrong way (for example using lots of memory-hungry programs at the same time)?
Anything else to look for when buying one?
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Hi,
Upgraded from the BA (Orange M2000) to Universal (Orange M5000)
I can honestly say that the M5000 is slower - i dont think the devices fault but WM5!
After having the M500 for 2-3 weeks now and then going back to look at the M2000's screen there is a massive difference. Due to that I wouldnt consider going back to the M2000.
The M5000 is a fantastic device and is a bit slower than the M2000 but more than makes up for it in other ways.
Just my penneth.
Matt
So it seems
I have both devices both running wm5. The Blue angle seems to have more running memory but I'm not positive how much memory the wm5 OS can handle
Unfortunately:
YES, its slower
Maybe wait for WM5SE (Codename Crossbow).
short answer: It's worth it
Ady is right.
100% Worth it !
My contribution....
I moved from BA to Universal. I use both very simply....phone, email, internet etc...bit of tomtom
No strange apps, no mods, boring old o2 ROMs.....
and I think the Universal is slower....but only slightly and not so it would really bother you. :wink:
And anyway, the Universal looks so much better so just get it!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
HPJ
I have both and I find the Universal is a lot slower, even when running it at 624MHz.
Blame WM5, though, not HTC.
I bought it
I have just bought a Qtek 9000 (HTC Universal) and a Corsair 133X SD card, so I can access the data quickly.
It's a bit slower than the Blue Angel, indeed. But, for some things, it is faster:
- Pocket IE doesn't lock up for 2 minutes when loading complex web sites
- browsing is faster because of the 3G
- Pocket Word loads complex documents faster
Overall, I'm very pleased with the upgrade.
I think that I don't feel the slowness because I don't use programs which put themselves on the TODAY screen - I configure the PDA to show the date and the calendar, and that's it.
In my view the VGA compensates all drawbacks of the speed issues...
really fantastic with PIE and Adobe Reader PPC 2.0
Does Wizard have same CPU as Universal
I have a Blue Angel running WM2003SE and a Wizard running WM5. BA is MUCH faster. Does the Wizard have the same CPU as the Universal?
If I flashed the BA to WM5 would it be as slow as the Wizard? Could the BA be overclocked with 'Omap..'?
Which ROM would you suggest for running WM5 on the BA?
Thanks.
Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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Dude--the Wizard CPU is a jalopy compared to the Universal's hotrod. That's not a fair comparison at all. The only true comparison would be with a HTC Alpine device which runs the same CPU as the Universal.
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The Wizard is certainly slow but has a useable keyboard and 3G WiFi unlike the BA.
Any response to my other questions?
I am expecting a Prophet in the next week, is it the same CPU as the Wizard (and no keyboard at all)?
This is all off-topic so if you have a question about the Prophet or Wizard or the BA, you should post it in the appropriate forum. The answers to all your questions already exist. Please use the search function. That's why it's there.
On to my reponse:
Useable keyboard? Perhaps, but you will find as many haters of that keyboard, as well--Although I agree it's better than the BA's. And no, the Wizard does not have a 3G radio. It has EDGE (which is more like 2.5G). Yes, it has WiFi, but so does the BA. How is that any different?
The Prophet has no keyboard and has the same '****ty' OMAP CPU as the Wizard. I was using this lame ass CPU with HP's 6315 almost two years ago. It sucks. Software-based enhancements make the new ROMs for the Wizard and Prophet more responsive, but it's still what it is. Which is S.L.O.W.
There are huge threads devoted to the BA WM5 experience. Try the TuMa 1.4 ROM or the newest Ivan release. Please browse through the BA Upgrading forum for details (I suggest this to the OP, as well). I doubt the 'overclocked OMAP' could ever match the raw CPU power of the Xscale CPU. I am not going to get into a war over CPU architecture here.
My .02 hilala as they say here in Saudi Arabia.
Hi all,
HP iPAQ rw6828 is launched recently in Asia. Althought, it has same spec as O2 Atom, however HP claimed that they have a more stable ROM.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...eId=215348&prodSeriesId=1839223&lang=en&cc=us
How do you think between rw6828 & Atom??
Atom for me!
This black color is not comparable with any other!
is there a place to D/L the HP rom ?
You may not want this rom on the HP :evil: Check the ppcsg forum and hear the groans/moans. It would need a few more upgrades to reach the latest Atom ROM
Mine is still in Hong Kong for repair but I still love my Atom :lol:
Victor
just wonder if it possible to install the HP rom on ATOM ?
after all they have the HW.
Sure there are enough brains around to do the CID unlocking :lol:
Hi guys,
I am living in Hong Kong and easily can get BRAND NEW HP iPAQ rw6828 (& accessories).
Email me ([email protected]) if you need my help :wink:
cheers!!
I got my new rw6800, I aslo have 818pro and atom,
but i feel 6800 -> 818pro -> atom :lol:
I am using an atom and it the best thing that i can buy in my country. But personally atom is much better.
kejas said:
I am using an atom and it the best thing that i can buy in my country. But personally atom is much better.
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Yeah.. I was in Gujarat last week.. and all of my cousins have only seen the Atom on TV. Where are ya from?
Mr. Mask I hope you check your stores near by atom is readly there in india. I am from india mumbai and i am using one from last four months.
Hope you find one. BYe
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Hi all,
HP iPAQ rw6828 is launched recently in Asia. Althought, it has same spec as O2 Atom, however HP claimed that they have a more stable ROM.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...eId=215348&prodSeriesId=1839223&lang=en&cc=us
How do you think between rw6828 & Atom??
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I took a look at the HP 6828 at the shops yesterday and i was very impressed with the build quality over the Atom. Although a little bit thicker the HP feels very solid, it doesnt squeak when i squeeze the phone in my palm like my Atom does and the button certainly feels a lot more solid and less flimsy than the Atom. So physically the HP wins, I also heard that the HP has better sound quality on both phone and music wise. However, on the software side I dont know, I didnt turn the phone on; but i guess it would be very similar or even better to the Atom once HP has as much air time on the device as O2.
i am planning to trade my Atom in for the 6828 today
go for ipaq rw6828
i have used both models, n my recomendation is clearly ipaq.
atoms:
- Main memory storage only 43 MB
- Audio call quality, atom is known to have echo during phone call.
- bad support / warranty, at least in indonesia.
- silly un-mappable "Start Menu" key/ button
vs.
rw6828:
- large memory, 58.5MB internal memory available to user !!!!!!!
- no echoes!!!!!!
- softkey, i love soft key, you can install smartkeys, it works great.
you have extra functions on your softkey.
- best warranty amongst PDA, i have had ipaq b4, the turnaround time is very short. 1week to 2 weeks. compare to o2 / dopod, 1month to 2 months !!!!!!!!!!
Dear klikman and all users,
How is the sound quality? really full duplex stereo speakers?
Can wen trust in HP/quanta Technical Support?
WHERE TO BUY???
(expansys out of stonck and Chinese warranty only)
RE:WHERE TO BUY???
Dear X-ZeLs0,
Ask Baobaobao to help you:
Sent my Atom to Hong Kong for servicing and asked for his help. He personally picked it up yesterday and bought me a Mont Blanc leather case. Shiped by DHL and it is already in Amsterdam, according to my tracking info!
Victor
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Hi guys,
I am living in Hong Kong and easily can get BRAND NEW HP iPAQ rw6828 (& accessories).
Email me ([email protected]) if you need my help :wink:
cheers!!
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hi X-ZeLsO,
the sound quality on atom n 6828 is about the same.
i sell PDAs, and so far, atom has been doing quite well, in terms of reliability. HTC products like 818, 838, have more problems (non-software), ranging from broken speaker (mostly in 818), touchscreen misaligned (found on more than half of 838s, some are recoverable after running "screen align" again), dead mainboard (v. rare).
while atom, have more problems with the rom, which is easier to fix.
hardware problem found on atom: broken speaker, camera sometimes become distorted.
price of atom's spareparts is also cheaper than HTC's phone.
atom/6828 quality
hi X-ZeLsO,
the sound quality on atom n 6828 is about the same.
i sell PDAs, and so far, atom has been doing quite well, in terms of reliability. HTC products like 818, 838, have more problems (non-software), ranging from broken speaker (mostly in 818), touchscreen misaligned (found on more than half of 838s, some are recoverable after running "screen align" again), dead mainboard (v. rare).
while atom, have more problems with the rom, which is easier to fix.
hardware problem found on atom: broken speaker, camera sometimes become distorted.
price of atom's spareparts is also cheaper than HTC's phone.
I'm just thinking in the ATOM or HP6828
Both same manufacturer but different support (and soft buttons)
Can I trust in HP ROM upgrades??
Can I use HP Technical Assitance from in my country? Without delivering costs. (Spain)
Both devices are really superb, perhaps HP is the definitive software upgraded/patched Atom?
rgds
X-ZeLsO said:
I'm just thinking in the ATOM or HP6828
Both same manufacturer but different support (and soft buttons)
Can I trust in HP ROM upgrades??
Can I use HP Technical Assitance from in my country? Without delivering costs. (Spain)
Both devices are really superb, perhaps HP is the definitive software upgraded/patched Atom?
rgds
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All Atom users!! i urge you to trade in your Atom for the HP 6828, I just received my HP6828 yesterday and I must say for direct comparisons (as I have both units right here) the Atom seems like a prototype phone and the HP6828 is the production version. Physically the HP6828 is better quality overall, no squeaks when in you hand, the buttons feel much much better... actually feels like a 700USD phone. The package is also better quality, the ear phones are totally different league to the Atom. On the ROM side I feel that the HP6828 is faster and more responsive than the Atom; has more ram available, the software packages are also better coded. HP has fixed most of the design glitches that have plagued the Atom....and lots more..too much to say..you need to try it for yourself, I love the Atom since the first day I got it, but after five months of this and that.. I have found the prefect device.. the HP 6828 is the best out there now!! go get it..
Hope this gets some of the Atom users some ideas of what to expect from HP... Im almost certain whos ever in love with the Atom, once you have felt the HP6828, you will leave the Atom and go for the HP. its just too good to miss...
Realy,its so stupid...Like childrens,anyone has HP say its way-way better,and all Atom users say that Atom is better.Wake up,we speak about same devices!I have Atom for a month,also have used HP few hours.Its exectly SAME devices inside!About ROM,Atom has 43mb,but install ShowHidenPartition.CAB and you'll the same as HP's size,HP's ROM bigger only because its have not "hiden" part.
Now,about qualaty & buttons - HP does not have more buttons then Atom,its have 2 soft buttons but have not media & start menu buttons,if you like soft buttons - remap Atoms keys,number of buttons same on two devices.I think we will see start menu key remaper,its not a big problem,personaly i prefer application keys,soft buttons i mapped for long press (used AEButtonMaper).Also,Atom looks better in my (and few peoples i asked) opnion,HP does not looks like something special,and its plastic cover looks bad.Speed - Atom with lastest ROM bit faster,but generaly they have same speed and same sound qualaty,because same HardWare,HP simply can't be better then Atom and Atom can't be better then HP.
So,its realy nothing to speek & think about,its SAME devices that looks little diferent,you have to put you hands on both of them,take a look and use'am for a few hours if you can,after buy one that you like more,inside its a same hardware.
It was evident from very early on that the K-Jam was under powered. I would assume that this upgrade is sufficiently powerful to not be affected by the same flaws.
Anyone out there placed to give a comparison? Does the TyTn hang? Need for Soft Reset or Hard Reset? Anyone tried TomTom? Anyone tried doing 3 things at once with it? How much better is it? Did any of you actually experience the problems with the K-Jam I did? How does the speed compare to the JasJar? I am umming and ahhing over the TyTn and P990i, a tough choice ahead.
Please make any other points you feel relevant.
Many thanks
I have a wizard. The tytn looks nice, I would buy it in a snap over the 990 if I didn't have a wizard.
Reasons I'm not getting it:
1) my keyboard is nicer on the wizard
2) I have 7GB of MiniSD (TyTn is microsd)
3) Tytn has one speaker on the back instead of 2 stereo on the sides
Heres a little photo comparison review of the Tytn and Wizard (Dopod 838)
http://docfiles.blogspot.com/2006/08/docs-dopod-838-pro-photo-review.html#links
Thanks for that.
Please have a look at the benchamark results for the TyTn against some other devices.
The Dopod 838 Pro is the TyTn
http://www.indippc.com/v3/index.php/topic,676.0.html
Price, I got my Wizard (Cingular 8125) for 400 dollars, vs. paying 800 for a TyTN....
Clearly I'd say the best device is the Universal, nevertheless being a proud owner of a TyTN, considering all features and form-factor I'd say this is the device to get. Of course if you don't mind the size the Universal is clearly superior, the comparison between TyTN and Wizard is more likely to give you second thougths. Much faster, equally good battery and UMTS are in favor of the TyTN. The price is clearly on Wizard's side, but since you can find the TyTN for 690 Euros here in Portugal I would definitely recommend it.
Although the Universal may be the best overall device, as it does not have US UMTS/HSDPA frequencies, it's really a non-issue here... Go with the TyTN.
hi all looking at getting a trinity 3600 because i need stanalone gps, pda and a phone that takes my 3 sim card. just wondering b4 i take the plunge is there another phone that will meet my requirements that anybody thinks is better than the 3600 cheers
Other devices...
Well, the HTC Advantage can do all the same things, plus it has a VGA screen, but is a much more bulky device. The only other device I'm aware of that does all that the Trinity does is the Nokia N95. The Nokia has the advantage of a 5MP camera (only 2mp on the Trinity), but it doesn't run pocket PC (it's Symbian I think).
Other than that, I'm not aware of any others. The Trinity is a very good device, you'd be hard pushed to beat it!
Lee
but Advantage i read can only be used as a phone using a headset
it dont have a mic or something
polaris the upcomming replacement for Artemis but it's not out yet
another option could be Kaiser is another option if one is not bothered by the extre thickness the keyboard adds or even pref a keyboard
thanks for your replies the n95 i think you have to pay for the gps service I dont think it has a built in sirfstar 3 chipset or any alike so i would not go for that but i will have a look at the kaiser cheers
Yes, N95 runs Symbian, but no touchscreen. I've tried it a few days ago - much slower than my N73.
Other options
As of now the Trinity is one of the best PDA'a around.
Other phones that you can consider are the Asus P535/525 series and the Eten M700.
These phones have all the feature the Trinity has and then some more. Like all phones, the Trinity also has its fair share of problems.
I was about to buy the Trinity but holding out for the Kaiser, it has all the feature that I want in a phone.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers,
Hiren
i'll wait for polaris or nike myself
dont want a slideout keyboard
polaris looks really good just took a look out in october ultra thin aswell says 3.5 in screen does that make the phone bigger than the mda 3 compact and is it defo 3g because it was the mda i wanted but only 2g
hi...
is there a better phone/pda? interesting question....
If you are using it mostly like a phone I wouldnt go for the trinity because of two issues:
* I need a quite strong GSM signal to get acceptable sound quality. People I call often complain about the quality of my voice when compared to a 'normal' phone. Maybe is my device, people in this forum say, but I tried some proposed remedies without success.
* Screen is nearly invisible outdoors on a sunny day
If you are using mostly PDA features, the trinity may be an interesting option. The rest of features work really well, specially GPS.
Beware a new (pricey) trinity version is to be released soon (or maybe already). Hopefully they solve these issues plus the paint peeling off thing. Then it would be the perfect phone.
Depends on what you value!
If you need the phone for business, don't get a PDA phone coz the reception is NOT 100% reliable...
What do you need the PDA for?
All in all, it might be better to get a TomTom GO, then a cheap phone with bluetooth that can connect to TomTom!
But as previously said, D810X is meant to be coming out, no idea when and how much though.
D810x is out in Australia as the HTC p3600i.
i think dell axim x51 is very good for gaming but it dont have a camera!
Polaris looks its gonna be great! I remember reading it only has 400mhz cpu :S