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Do you have GPS Lag with this release?
With TomTom 7?
With iGO8?
Thank you all for your testing...
Tom Tom 7 confirm.
Igo 8, havn't tried yet!
xmoo said:
Tom Tom 7 confirm.
Igo 8, havn't tried yet!
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Thanks for this...
How much? 10m., 20m., 50m.?
In the city or/and on the highway?
How could it be that they still didnt fix this lag ? im waiting from the day i had the tytnII !! how many more years ?
Noam23 said:
How could it be that they still didnt fix this lag ? im waiting from the day i had the tytnII !! how many more years ?
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@TomTom think it's the software.
Noam23 said:
How could it be that they still didnt fix this lag ? im waiting from the day i had the tytnII !! how many more years ?
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@TomTom think it's the software.
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I hope so, and i hope it's not a kind of Qualcomm "bottleneck" between the GPS chip and the CPU...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHB_8_4cBw4
tomtom have lag
copilot looks like it if have, is so tiny that will not be a problem
The lag problem is due to TomTom software not the PDA...
Good news
Also they run a beta rom.
So multi touch works almost 99% everywhere.
it aint multitouch,
its nothing more then pinch to zoom.
and for those, that say, i need a stylus, you wont, allmost on every windows screen or app, you can pinch to zoom.
Almost no lag with CoPilot and iGO8 - I don't like TomTom so I didn't test.
My ROM is final - MultiTouch not working anymore in those programs
Cendaryn said:
Almost no lag with CoPilot and iGO8 - I don't like TomTom so I didn't test.
My ROM is final - MultiTouch not working anymore in those programs
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Please take what Cendaryn said above with a HUGE grain of salt.
For many years I've been reading posts here from people who claim they don't have GPS lag with their HTC devices. I've read these posts back when I had the TytnII, then when I had the Diamond, and also now when I have the HD. I had annoying GPS lag with all of these devices, and never in my life saw such device without GPS lag.
I don't believe it for a second. Until *all* users report no GPS lag, the HD2 should be regarded as having GPS lag. For all I know Cendaryn could be an HTC agent (and please note he didn't say "no lag", he said "almost no lag", which is open for interpertations, and could very well mean there's the usuall lag, which was always small, but annoying).
If you'll ask Cendaryn, he'll proabably tell you he also didn't have GPS lag with his Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2.
Noam23 said:
please note he didn't say "no lag", he said "almost no lag", which is open for interpertations, and could very well mean there's the usuall lag, which was always small, but annoying.
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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to accuse people of being "agents", but many don't realize what is meant by the GPS lag in question. Certainly I've never seen or heard that it would be present in TomTom and absent in iGo - it's a hardware/driver issue, and you can clearly see the actual coordinates not pointing to where you are when moving at certain speeds.
The easy way to see whether there is this lag is to move at, say, 40 km/h and then stop. If the lag is present, you'll see how your position on the map will still move for a few seconds to reach the point where you actually are (and notice how in iGo the dot representing current coordinates will also move).
Noam23 said:
If you'll ask Cendaryn, he'll proabably tell you he also didn't have GPS lag with his Touch Pro 2 and Diamond 2.
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Please read carefully I said "almost" while on the TP2 and the D2 I had sometimes SEVERE lags
I don't mind if I'm +/- 5 meters (this is what I have on the HD2) but I do mind +/- 50 meters and THIS ist what I had on the TP2/D2!
On my Touch HD, I had no lag at all with TomTom 7.5. Big lag on 7.9, so I would agree that the problem seems to be TomTom.
If it is TomTom software, why my HTC Kaiser does not have this kind of lag?
I am using TomTom 7.916.9189 ... and map v835.
DocteurN said:
The lag problem is due to TomTom software not the PDA...
Good news
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I guess we're talking about different kinds of lags here. Maybe TT has a lag of its own, but the OP was asking about a different problem I believe.
gogol said:
If it is TomTom software, why my HTC Kaiser does not have this kind of lag?
I am using TomTom 7.916.9189 ... and map v835.
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different hardware.
With my kaiser i never have any kind of lag, on diamond every program have lag, on hd tomtom have lag but no igo8.
Hi ppl,
What is the best size for poolsize ?
What will be if i set it to small value ? to big ?
IS it reasonable to change default PoolSize ?
Thanks
p-kirill said:
Hi ppl,
What is the best size for poolsize ?
What will be if i set it to small value ? to big ?
IS it reasonable to change default PoolSize ?
Thanks
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i would also like to know this, thanks.
everyone has their own opinion but I think the hd2 shouldn't go anywhere near the pool, never mind how big it is.. It might get wet
ok personally I find the pagepool set at 22mb to work best for me...
I set mine to 16, but i might be way off I think its a matter of taste and depends on the ROM.
Can we use the PagePoolChanger.exe that I used on my Diamond roms for the HD2? if it does work it looks like the standard roms are 15meg. Ill probably set mine to around 22meg, the phones got loads of ram and a bigger pool should help things out
is a larger pagepool better for the hd2?
sorry for my ignorance
what is the best and fastest way to set pagepool?
thx...!!!
Can someone post me the link to pool tools ?
I need info about default pool sizes
thanks
barbapappa_86 said:
I think its a matter of taste and depends on the ROM.
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My rom is clead version without manilla, htc messages and htc contacts
Pure windows like
So i have 240 ram and 290 rom and only 6M PP ( this is Envirus kitchen default) so i should know what is OEM default PP value.
I havent got and PP tool yet
Any ideas ?
Thanks
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Can someone post me the link to pool tools ?
I need info about default pool sizes
thanks
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type pagepool into the search at the top of the site and start reading..
the answers are all their for you..
fards said:
everyone has their own opinion but I think the hd2 shouldn't go anywhere near the pool, never mind how big it is.. It might get wet
ok personally I find the pagepool set at 22mb to work best for me...
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LOL..........
is a larger pagepool better?
Lizzo said:
is a larger pagepool better?
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Depending on the apps you use and so forth. Pagepooling is the ability to change the amount of virtual memory the OS uses to run programs. So for instance, larger more intense apps like tomtom require more memory to run so with a larger set pp, tomtom will open faster.
A general rule of thumb is that larger is better however, there are limits to this as if you go too far, it will work in reverse.
Testing the limits using benchmarks is the most objective way to discern performance improvements and/or limitations. If there are significant improvements between tests, then the nake eyes should be sufficient to conclude.
The HD2 does have some nice memory overhead so it should be fun to see what this baby can do....
band27 said:
Depending on the apps you use and so forth. Pagepooling is the ability to change the amount of virtual memory the OS uses to run programs. So for instance, larger more intense apps like tomtom require more memory to run so with a larger set pp, tomtom will open faster.
A general rule of thumb is that larger is better however, there are limits to this as if you go too far, it will work in reverse.
Testing the limits using benchmarks is the most objective way to discern performance improvements and/or limitations. If there are significant improvements between tests, then the nake eyes should be sufficient to conclude.
The HD2 does have some nice memory overhead so it should be fun to see what this baby can do....
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thank u soo much for ur reply, it was quite helpful...so would it be wise to set a 24mb pp on a rom for the hd2? (i'm using pandora 1.1 btw)
and here's a pagepool changer for those who want it btw
I'm going to use 18
Lizzo said:
thank u soo much for ur reply, it was quite helpful...so would it be wise to set a 24mb pp on a rom for the hd2? (i'm using pandora 1.1 btw)
and here's a pagepool changer for those who want it btw
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Can anyone confirm that this pagepool changer works?
Back in the day with the diamonds, you needed a Hex Editor to switch stuff around...Have a quick read <<HERE>>
bobsbbq said:
I'm going to use 18
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Chefs know best...
band27 said:
Can anyone confirm that this pagepool changer works?
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it does work....or i wouldnt have posted it
Xannytech's HD Rom uses 20mb.
The HD2 which has almost double the resources should be able to hit 24mb easy.
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it does work....or i wouldnt have posted it
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OK, thus have you check to see if this happens:
• the higher the PP the lower your Program Memory goes, yes?
If it doesn't change as you change your PP, then it doesn't work.
I believe you however some people think it's working and sometimes it actually doesn't. Do the above test to see if it works...
MORE INFO on PP <<HERE>>
I set my to 0 (auto) and
It has been running very well and very fast.
Will see ...
Just for fun I created a pagepool size of 100 Mb. First, to test if it would really result in some significant speed gain and second to find out how and where the additional memory was taken from.
I never noticed this, but appearantly the size of the pagepool is taken from the program memory. Now, i'm asking myself, can't the pagepool size be taken as a measurement for how real the newly gained 576 ram is? For example, maybe someone can create a page pool size of 448 Mb (the size of the ram according to the specifications), just to see if the device is still starting up and if there is some significant memory left. (unfortunately I can't do this at the moment).
I know the size of the ram was tested before. Nevertheless, for some sceptics, and there are still some sceptics out there, this might be some convincing additional proof.
Second. I read some threads about page pool sizes and read that for old devices one of the biggest constraints was the available program memory. For the HD2 this isn't a issue anymore, so, from this new perspective I like to ask the cooks here: what would be a good page pool size for the HD2. What are the other constraints here which really matter.
(I now that this is a difficult thing to make statements about. Nevertheless, please give it a shot. Cause i'm new to cooking I like to learn something from it)
nice
i played alot with pp=0
nothing interesting
now i use default HTC value (15)
tell us about what you will get
p-kirill said:
nice
i played alot with pp=0
nothing interesting
now i use default HTC value (15)
tell us about what you will get
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my experience is that while cooking with new manila from 2.10 ROM if you go above 15MB, Document Browser Tabs thumbnails are not being loaded.there are only icons of formats documentas are in.
polystirenman said:
my experience is that while cooking with new manila from 2.10 ROM if you go above 15MB, Document Browser Tabs thumbnails are not being loaded.there are only icons of formats documentas are in.
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i have 24mb pp on my 2.10 build and no problem in document tab for me. have you added the ereader tab? i left it out because it does seem to screw with manilla a bit.
however, im open to testing a 448mb pagepool will contrust one tomorrow and let y'all know
polystirenman said:
my experience is that while cooking with new manila from 2.10 ROM if you go above 15MB, Document Browser Tabs thumbnails are not being loaded.there are only icons of formats documentas are in.
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I don't have any problems with this and I run 18 usually, But I have tried 64 mb and still everything works. I just don't think after a certain amount of pagepool increase you don't see any more benefit
bobsbbq said:
I don't have any problems with this and I run 18 usually, But I have tried 64 mb and still everything works. I just don't think after a certain amount of pagepool increase you don't see any more benefit
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I'm still running 100 Mb. No problems whatsoever, but performance isn't any better (or worse) than a 16 Mb pagepool I tried before.
Anyone tried a 448 Mb pagepool yet, just to see if the new 576 ram is for real?
appelflap said:
I'm still running 100 Mb. No problems whatsoever, but performance isn't any better (or worse) than a 16 Mb pagepool I tried before.
Anyone tried a 448 Mb pagepool yet, just to see if the new 576 ram is for real?
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yup, i did!
it was very sloooooooow to boot and even slooooooooower to do anything useful, but it *did* work, kinda!
bobsbbq said:
I don't have any problems with this and I run 18 usually, But I have tried 64 mb and still everything works. I just don't think after a certain amount of pagepool increase you don't see any more benefit
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so it must have been something else then...
g.lewarne said:
yup, i did!
it was very sloooooooow to boot and even slooooooooower to do anything useful, but it *did* work, kinda!
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This pretty much shows (again) that the 576 is real. I'll try it myself today. I will also try to create a 448 pagepool on the same rom with the extra 128 mb disabled. Just to double check.
p-kirill said:
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i played alot with pp=0
nothing interesting
now i use default HTC value (15)
tell us about what you will get
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Do you experience a relevant difference between pp=0 and pp=15?
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Furthermore, I was wondering what the default pp size is of the HTC roms.
From my experience 0 will work just fine as it is dynamic but I find that with it set at say 16-20 things seem faster, more instant. I don't know if it has to due with the dynamic scaling or what.
bobsbbq said:
From my experience 0 will work just fine as it is dynamic but I find that with it set at say 16-20 things seem faster, more instant. I don't know if it has to due with the dynamic scaling or what.
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It's dynamic, you say? But than it can be used to test the real size of the ram with the method described above. Or?
appelflap said:
It's dynamic, you say? But than it can be used to test the real size of the ram with the method described above. Or?
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if you find a method to fill the page pool completly yes, but if I remember correctly it was already proven the 576mb is for real.
EpiphanyNL said:
if you find a method to fill the page pool completly yes, but if I remember correctly it was already proven the 576mb is for real.
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Yes it was. I just wanted to do another test. Just to be sure.
appelflap said:
Yes it was. I just wanted to do another test. Just to be sure.
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Haha never can be sure enough eh?
I've tried 18 and 16 before, and find 24MB much better.
Now I've by default set my pp to 64MB.
zenkinz said:
I've tried 18 and 16 before, and find 24MB much better.
Now I've by default set my pp to 64MB.
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i find 24mb better as well. is 64mb pp stable enough?
gianton said:
i find 24mb better as well. is 64mb pp stable enough?
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I always set ozrom, kumar's to 64mb before flashing and they have been stable so far.
Hi there!
1st of all I'm new to page pool stuff. I've heard about it though but it always seemed to much work for me.
As i got my HD2 i finally got interested working with pp. (Memory is not an issue anymore on the HD2) =]
Also, there was something about the relation between pp and battery life, is this true?
I'm always for the lookout for clean and fast ROM's but this seems to be a big factor too.
(Can anyone give me some advice on (Dutch) ROM's and a good pp setting?)
How is it that every HTC EVO is absolutley unique? Aren't these things mass produced in a factory?
Every question that I see asking about the performance of a rom, stabilty of a kernal, or typical battery comsumption is answered immediately with "all evos are diofferent and you have just try every rom/kernal combination and see whch one works for you."
I know there are some OEM parts that differ and that there are different kinds of users, but the same can be said of many products. and you can still come up with "MPG is about XX, actual milage may vary".
Does it seem odd for something that is built to strict specifications to be so erratic in performance metrics?
mrquaid said:
How is it that every HTC EVO is absolutley unique? Aren't these things mass produced in a factory?
Every question that I see asking about the performance of a rom, stabilty of a kernal, or typical battery comsumption is answered immediately with "all evos are diofferent and you have just try every rom/kernal combination and see whch one works for you."
I know there are some OEM parts that differ and that there are different kinds of users, but the same can be said of many products. and you can still come up with "MPG is about XX, actual milage may vary".
Does it seem odd for something that is built to strict specifications to be so erratic in performance metrics?
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To a point yea but not really I mean
Some have diff screens and 3point touch and 5point touch and then there is the different cameras and figure some have cheap batts from China and some have sedieo and some have reg extended some got stock etc so while yes if we all used standard **** with our Evo it would probably only vary slightly and I know everyone won't upgrade all of their stuff from hboot to prl
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ckoadiyn said:
To a point yea but not really I mean
Some have diff screens and 3point touch and 5point touch and then there is the different cameras and figure some have cheap batts from China and some have sedieo and some have reg extended some got stock etc so while yes if we all used standard **** with our Evo it would probably only vary slightly and I know everyone won't upgrade all of their stuff from hboot to prl
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Well said man.. way too many variables when it comes to comparing battery life!
It's quite weird how it works...
I flashed miui a week or so ago, that's it. No new kernel, no new radio... just miui and I'm having amazzzzzzing battery life. I unplug at 8 or 9 am every morning when I wake up and I still usually have 10-15% or so when I go to bed at midnight, with regular use throughout the day.
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It's basically the same sort of theory behind overclocking desktop/laptop chips. There is quite a bit of variability when they make chips. They're all tested to meet certain basic specs, but some chips are able to exceed those specs by a lot, some by a little, and some maybe only just barely passed the test. For an out of the box/stock experience, they'll all basically perform the same. But when you start pushing them, you see the variability.
Even if you're not overclocking with a custom kernel, similar variability dictates how aggressively you can undervolt, which is something most custom kernels try to do to save battery life.
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It's quite weird how it works...
I flashed miui a week or so ago, that's it. No new kernel, no new radio... just miui and I'm having amazzzzzzing battery life. I unplug at 8 or 9 am every morning when I wake up and I still usually have 10-15% or so when I go to bed at midnight, with regular use throughout the day.
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I unplug mine at 6:30 every morning and when I go to bed at 11PM or so, I'm usually at about 75-80% with normal use. Yes, it's an extended battery, but that still a huge difference, and running sense, too!
Same goes for Vehicles and they are basically manufactured to tight specs as well . You can put two vehicles that are identical on a dyno and one will put out more horsepower then another and they are both bone stock . Granted the difference isnt huge but some perform better than others . Welcome to the world of mass production LOL .
Car: do you drive the same as me? Accelerate at the same rate? Brake the same? Turn at the same speed? Cruise? (I'll stop, I'm sure you get the point)
Phone can be similar: different apps, different sync settings, different screen brightness, vibrate on/off, different volume, different sd card (manufacturer and class) and just different usage period.
And of course things already quoted: hardware 002/003/004, different camera manufacturer, different screen manufacturer, etc.
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Car: do you drive the same as me? Accelerate at the same rate? Brake the same? Turn at the same speed? Cruise? (I'll stop, I'm sure you get the point)
Phone can be similar: different apps, different sync settings, different screen brightness, vibrate on/off, different volume, different sd card (manufacturer and class) and just different usage period.
And of course things already quoted: hardware 002/003/004, different camera manufacturer, different screen manufacturer, etc.
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Thats why I said "DYNO" in my statment there for removing the variables you listed above and strictly measuring the HP put out by two of the same vehicles . But good attempt at a point . Also yes different people put different apps and setting on each different phone . But those settings you listed doesnt exactly have any bearing on how one phone can handle undervolting better than the next .
Please vote these two issues for me, you may not be effected or you may not have noticed but they are two fairly large issues with the sgs2 (and all phones generally with the kernel issue).
We would like them fixed but latedroid tend to not pay attention to things until they have a lot of votes.
thanks
links to the 2 things can be found in this tweet - https://twitter.com/#!/lennyuk/status/107113621124952065
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Please vote these two issues for me, you may not be effected or you may not have noticed but they are two fairly large issues with the sgs2 (and all phones generally with the kernel issue).
We would like them fixed but latedroid tend to not pay attention to things until they have a lot of votes.
thanks
links to the 2 things can be found in this tweet - https://twitter.com/#!/lennyuk/status/107113621124952065
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After a new kernel, my juice defender loses it setting. Is that enough for voting?
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After a new kernel, my juice defender loses it setting. Is that enough for voting?
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yeah that is exactly one of the issues I had raised now we just need votes.
-edit- lagging. sorry double post.
And not to mention that the screen timeout / lock functionality doesn't work. But this is not just an SGS2 problem. Happens on my old X10i as well.
For example, if you set the time out at 30secs and the lock at 1 minute, the timeout works ok but when it gets to the 1 minute lock point, the screen comes back on (reported as a "user" action) and it never locks.
Fairly major flaw and it's been like this for quite a long time now.
http://feedback.latedroid.com/forum...-function-doesn-t-work-with-htc-thu?ref=title
Vote for this as well if you get time. For the time being, I've stopped using JD and am using Tasker as a alternative.
Voted
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