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SPV M700 and HSDPA in PAris

Hi everyone,
Orange France say that the HSDPA is open in Paris and suburbs.
A few month ago I've made some HSDPA test with a PCMCIA HSDPA car and I was having some incredible speed (about 1Mbit/sec) in Boulogne-Billancourt (wich was the experimental coverage).
This week-end I take my Trinity in Boulogne and when I take a look to the fieldtest program HSDAP tab, the CQI was >than 0.
But when I try the speed access, the max I've got was about 112KBit/sec.
So If I believe the speed test I'm in the average of the 3G access and if I believe the FielTest Program I should be in HSDPA coverage.
And the speed isn't in correlation with waht I test a few month ago.
- In different which speed did you observe in a HSDPA coverage ?
- For Orange FR user, which max speed did you observe with your Trinity ?
- Did the Trinity need to "enable" the HSDPA behaviour ?
falex

Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.

Super Sheep said:
Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.
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Go to the web page : www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Test with 50K, 100K, 200K and 600K and report the spped measure.
After we could debate about if the HSDPA is active or not inside this mobile phone.

Should I download them direct with the SPV ?
If yes which download app do you suggest I use ?
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)

Super Sheep said:
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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Ok SO you've got the same result as I've got this week-end at Boulogne ands Paris 17 AND the same as I can test at Rennes which is not HSDPA covered.
I'm very confused with this announcement.
I know that Boulogne is in HSDPA and we can't get the correct speed so I4ve got two questions :
- Is the SPV M700 HSDPA enable ?
- Is there a restriction on Orange which "block" the HSDPA field if you don't have an option like "TV Live HD" ?

how do you know you're connected on HSDPA network?
is there a "3G+" logo displayed on the phone?
and does anyone try an edge connexion? is an "E" displayed?

Super Sheep said:
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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At home, with the 600 kB one I got 110...
I think my HSDPA is enabled, because in the extended rom, there's a "hsdpa /enable" in the tasklist...

To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow

bebaer said:
To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow
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When you read the Announcement about the HSDPA opeing in Paris (and in the next at Lille and Nantes) they do not write about an option to enable HSDPA.

I know, but if you go to orange-business , you can see that to have 3G+ access , it's only for "business everywhere clients" with 3G+ pc card or 3G+ icon usb modem.
Option is 4 € H.T. and free for some months...
They will open 3G+ for private users soon...I don't know, how they will do with 3G+ option.
During experiment, people could try HSDPA free in Lab'Orange in June and Later "TV HD" with Samsung Z560 in september-october before the commercial launch in november.
By the way, they are late in opening 3G+ in Lille and Nantes...They promised to do it for december...
SFR has already converted all 3G to 3G+ (65% of population covered)...Orange is one year too late...because they covered 95% people with EDGE...that is not a bad choice, because most od people have only an EDGE Phone now...

Hi Falex,
Your problem of speed is normal, infect the HSDPA trughput is "best effort".
It is dependent on how many users are in the cell (if alone you get an example 1.3 Mbit/sec, with another user simoultaniosly you will get half of the speed)!Not only the number of users connected but also the CQI value is important, an exampleif your CQI is low (ex.10) than you will switch to QPSK witch provide lower troughput than 16 qam (good CQI), so if the CQI is low you will have lower troughput as your radio conditions (coverage are lower).
Also the network dimensioning is important. The only way to improve is by optimize/expand the network, and i belive that this probably is allready on the Orange next months target.If you terminal is qualcomm 6280, than your calss is CAT 6 (you can arrive to 3 Mbit/sec in DL if network support). I have the same chipset and here in my network i allready saw that speed on the DUmeter!.

Thanks for everyone to answer this post.
SO if I sum'up, when I've done the test with the lab'Orange late June 2006 it was only a test and only the sim car provided by the tet was able to get HSDPA DL speed and field.
Know I understand that like EDGE, HSDPA DL speed depends on how many users use the radio a one moment. But nowadays there is a little few user and mobile or PC Card HSDPA enable, so what I'm thinking is that HSDPA is not available on Orange Network for common user, unlike you subscribe to an "HSDPA option".
I'll call the Customer center today to ask them there point of view about this question.
One more strange things : I'm located in Rennes during the week, I'm 3G covered and when I take a look to the CQI field I've got the same figures ???!!!??? And I've got the same DL speed as I4ve got at Paris or Boulogne.
I'll check my Extended Rom to see if there is the HSDPA /enable task.

If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)

bebaer said:
If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
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Yep, I've check the extended ROM and therer is in the config file the "SetHSDPA \Enable" command and in the "\Windows\" directory the program setHSDPA is present.
Now how can I check the task ? (I'm a beginner, before I was a Palm User )
bebaer said:
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)
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Ok I'll ask the Customer center.
Just for my point of view SFR has made a mistake to not go Edge because when you are outside the 3G area you are happy when you can surf with the Edge speed instead of the GPRS speed.
About this did you have an Map with the Edge coverage from SFR ? I looking after this for month and month and I found nothing ...

HSDPA on T-Mobile NL

Hi all
I have a ?
I have a Tytn, WM6 XDA Live v0.20 from kyphur, HSDPA enabled and of course I have an HSDPA "abo" from T-Mobile.
My problem is as follow: I know from a collegue of mine that with this image, the H icon is enabled and that it's supposed to come up when you are actually on HSDPA. However I NEVER saw this icon witch to me means I never really was on HSDPA speed. I always have the 3G Icon.
Can someone confirm that you don't have to actually see the H icon to be using the HSDPA, that 3G is enough.
I'm curious.or maybe I missed something somewhere LOL.
Thnx in advance

Hehehe,
when you are in a area that has HSDPA, then you see 3G on your screen.
But don't forget to enable it with HTweakC.
Start --> Programs.
How long are u using internet, that u don't know 3G means fast internet and just G means slow internet. With T-Mobile it's standard.

If you read my post carefully you see that I know I have 3G and fast internet (I think I know a bit about internet hehe) BUT what I want to see is the H from HSDPA.This I never saw and I think that I'm suppose to see it. aren't I?

Hi I'm on t-mobile in the UK and I don't get the H either, I think it's a t-mobile thing. However, I know that I get high speed, I just don't get the icon.

Same here, (see my sig, definatly HSDPA speeds) i get HSDPA on O2 here and I NEVER see the H symbol (applied the patch and the reg entry IS present).
Im currently looking for the program (not sure what it is called) that returns the status of the HSDPA settings and etc... to see if you are TRUELY attached to a HSDPA network. Will report back when ive found it...
..EDIT! :: Found the program, it is the fieldtest program in the wiki pages
EDIT2::
Quick update people, i ran a speedtest on bandwidthplace from my TyTN, i got around 597kbps, checking the status on fieldtest shows i am NOT connected to HSDPA. Then again i ran it and got 1.1mbps....checked fieldtest and i am still NOT on HSDPA?!?!?!
From what ive read UMTS is usually around the 384kbps mark???? WHHHAAAATT is O2 doing ?? /me is intrigued!

597kbps mrvanx, that's what I get as well. That's why I know I'm on H as wel.Ha wel no icon is ok, it would have just made my day to just see it at least once LOL.

a "U" where the "G" used to be

K ya know beside the signal bar it shows a "G" then if you click on it it asks if you want to turn on wireless, well now there is a "U".
Is there someplace that can tell me what all these symbols mean?

Wow.... seriously... where do you live?
The U means that you now are connected to UMTS which gives you the "broadband" access through your provider. Make sure you have unlim data plan. It will start to eat it up when you realize what you get to do with all that bandwidth. Have FUN!!!

well does it eat up data if you "dont" use messenger or web browse? AKA: just use the phone?
I do have a data plan for unlimited text messaging and i use Wifi when i wanna surf.

Quick guide:
Starting with the slowest.
Second Generation:
GSM
GPRS (the G symbol)
EDGE (the E symbol)
Third Generation:
UMTS (the U symbol or depending on localisation, 3G symbol)
HSDPA (the H symbol, if you've got this, then you're in for some fast download speeds)
It all depends on which network you're on and proximity to a tower as to what speed you will actually get.
There are other types, but these are the ones you're more likely to come across using a Hermes.

U Bet
ROTFLMAO.... I thought I had a bug in my ROM after flashing it, even went to the trouble of rolling back.
What a freakin' idiot I am!....

I live in an area where i see U and H fairly often up there.
However, to me it makes little difference, I don't download large files with the device. Web browsing seems mostly unaffected by the connection type.

Having the device in 3G or 3.5G modes does however drain the battery somewhat faster. I saw the difference in my Uni. Can't comment on EDGE as the Uni doesn't have it, I'll be getting my Hermes today so I should be able to comment on that.

It would be logical that the faster connection speeds would drain the battery faster, but I don't know how much faster we're talking about.
However, if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether. Why? Web pages are going to render just as fast. Surfing the web is painful on these things regardless of the connection type.

On T-Mobile at least - here is a rough guide for the download speeds for different connection types. These are averages and do change and vary with signal strength. I work for T-Mobile, so these are accurate ^^
GPRS - around 44 kbps
UTMS (3G) - around 386 kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) - up to 1.8 mbps (increasing to 3.6 soon)
If you are on T-Mobile, and in a 3G area, then you will be most likely connected to HSDPA as it covers the whole of their 3G network.
Hope this is of some interest....

Doom Tints said:
if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether.
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But how? AFAIK it's not trivial with my unit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485.

From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.

Thank you. Now I know that in this sense, WCDMA = UMTS = "3G" icon.

Doom Tints said:
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
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That looks notoriously like one of my posts earlier in another thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485

Yeah. Someone said OH MY I HOW DO I DO THIS IT'S HARD OMG and then pasted a link to your thread, which says clearly how to do it.
A simple cut and paste seemed in order.

Radio Access Technologies
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)

homerjay1981 said:
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
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T-Mobile UK will have these speeds by the end of 2008 all going well

Well my phone bill is the same so thats good
Text messages get sent a tiny bit faster, surfing is a bit faster. I dont see what the big deal about the HW upgrade was. oh well

3g htc hd 2

At the top were you see signal strength I nebver seem to have 3G enabled and internet seems to be slugish I sometimes have the Letters G,H,U I don't know what these mean is there a way I can have 3G all the time?
Thanks. Stock Rom!

as far as i know h and u stand for 3g not sure tho

djteotancolis said:
as far as i know h and u stand for 3g not sure tho
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I don't think it does its so slow. I want to know how to enable 3G permanently.

were you getting faster 3g on other phones? and i think there is a cab but u may have to search for that

As far as I know (In my area) H is for HSDPA, which is an enhanced form of 3G. So it seems that you are getting 3G data... While G stands for GPRS, which is 2G.
No idea what the U would stand for though.
Also, if you have 3G enabled to auto-connect (I presume it is, if it's switching between the connections,) then your phone should just pick up a 3G signal whenever it can find it. If 3G is patchy in your area, you won't be able to get it all the time.

theblake said:
As far as I know (In my area) H is for HSDPA, which is an enhanced form of 3G. So it seems that you are getting 3G data... While G stands for GPRS, which is 2G.
No idea what the U would stand for though.
Also, if you have 3G enabled to auto-connect (I presume it is, if it's switching between the connections,) then your phone should just pick up a 3G signal whenever it can find it. If 3G is patchy in your area, you won't be able to get it all the time.
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Right I see when I'm on HSDPA it is still very sluggish until I seem to hit 3G and its like wi-fi, so my 3G is already connected just needs a place with good signal when I'm on way to college on the bus I seem so find a good area with 3G. Thanks for your help.

H = 3G
G = 1G (G is much much slower than E=Edge=2G)
If you want to have 3G only enabled go to Settings>Wireless Controlls>Phone>Band>WCDMA (Note that if you're in an area with no 3g, you will have zero signal and the phone will not switch to edge or gprs).

In the right order:
G=1G: 'Global System for Mobile communication', or GSM, basic mobile network.. can be used only for SMS and Phone calls
E=2G: EDGE (or 'Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution'), basicly GSM and GPRS (data transfer) combines..it allowes for speeds over the mobile network up to 9 600 bit/s
U=3G: 'Universal Mobile Telecommunications System', or 'UMTS' up to 2 Mbit/s data transfer on stationary devices and up to 384 kbit/s on mobile devices. About 40 times faster than GSM. This enables you to transfer data, such as images and be able to transfer data during a phonecall.. like sending a MMS or using Video Calls.
H=3G: 'High Speed Downlink Packet Access', or HSDPA, it allows for speeds up to 14,4 Mb/s though it is normally (at least in scandinavia) offered commercially in lower speeds, up to 7,2 Mb/s
Note: Because the most operators use high frequency to transmit '3G' signals, wich can cause your signal to be lower if you're inside (house or whatever, not outside), some operators though, transmit on a lower frequency, though then it's called CMDA, wich is also a form of '3G'

Had the same problem with a Telstra HD2 on Optus. Here's what you need to do. Settings -> Wireless controls -> phone -> Band -> Select auto for both. That should do it.

[Q] Internet with H, 3G, and E

I have
latest radio of 2.14.50.04 and WM - ChuckyDroid
SkinoEVO rom for android.
When it shows 3G I dont get network at all. It only works when it shows H or sometimes when it show E.
I dont know whats the difference. 3G should work right coz i am subscribed to it. I might sound dumb but I just dont get it?
while playing youtube H would change to 3G and then youtube will stop throwing error..no network connection.
Any suggestions please. and i dont know if this would help. I am located in Houston Texas -USA

it could be that have a short outage when the mode changes ...
i never see E ... only H , or G , very rarely 3G ... and in my experience , transition is smooth , even to/from wifi

nadeemhannan said:
I have
latest radio of 2.14.50.04 and WM - ChuckyDroid
SkinoEVO rom for android.
When it shows 3G I dont get network at all. It only works when it shows H or sometimes when it show E.
I dont know whats the difference. 3G should work right coz i am subscribed to it. I might sound dumb but I just dont get it?
while playing youtube H would change to 3G and then youtube will stop throwing error..no network connection.
Any suggestions please. and i dont know if this would help. I am located in Houston Texas -USA
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H is hedge, 3g is...3g E is edge. This symbole are used in france for exemple. But i don't know if it's same in usa.

l_endormi said:
H is hedge, 3g is...3g E is edge. This symbole are used in france for exemple. But i don't know if it's same in usa.
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Correction..
H is HSPDA which is faster than 3G and it's not hedge => More info
3G is 3rd Generation Network which is faster than Edge => More info
E is Edge also known as Enhanced GPRS => More info
G is GPRS => More info
There are more... but those are generally the most known..
Correct me if i'm wrong.

I get
G
2G
3G -- rarely
H

white-energy said:
Correction..
H is HSPDA which is faster than 3G and it's not hedge => More info
3G is 3rd Generation Network which is faster than Edge => More info
E is Edge also known as Enhanced GPRS => More info
G is GPRS => More info
There are more... but those are generally the most known..
Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Really sorry And i think you're right ^^

i cant get any of those just the bars with no letters no internet connection but i can get 3g on windows someone please help

nadeemhannan said:
I have
latest radio of 2.14.50.04 and WM - ChuckyDroid
SkinoEVO rom for android.
When it shows 3G I dont get network at all. It only works when it shows H or sometimes when it show E.
I dont know whats the difference. 3G should work right coz i am subscribed to it. I might sound dumb but I just dont get it?
while playing youtube H would change to 3G and then youtube will stop throwing error..no network connection.
Any suggestions please. and i dont know if this would help. I am located in Houston Texas -USA
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A local friend of mine has this problem also.
No data connectivity when 3G is shown, only on EDGE or H. This is with a PPP build.
I switch him to an RMNET build, and his data works beautifully. But no auto backlight, g-sensor, or any of the other stuff that works in the evo kernel but not the nexus.
Here is the weird part - the software on our phones is IDENTICAL. Same Radio, same WM ROM, same android build, I even copied my android data stores to his phone, and it still does it.
Any clue, other than defective phone?

Mine does the same. Randomly drops the data connection and only way to get it back on is to go into settings/networks and disable and reenable the Mobile network connection. Starting to look at other builds as when you call someone it randomly crashes the phone app and you cant make any calls, only solution is to reboot...oh and the flash flashes before the camera actually takes a photo lol

H = HSPDA = 3.75G DATA -> Usually 7.2mbps (This is fastest normal data connection, sometimes along with voice)
3G = 3G UMTS DATA (old) -> Usually 384kbps (You will very rarely get this)
E = Edge = 2G DATA -> Usually 230.8kbps (You will get this when 3g signal is low)
G = GPRS (old) Usually 80kbps (You will get this when you are talking on 2g network)
Data rates are typical for HD2
You will sometimes get simultaneous 3G voice and data and sometimes not, depending on operator and location. (If your current location can't support simultaneous voice and data, you will see G icon when you are talking on the phone or have just hang up) You won't get simultaneous voice and data on 2G network. When on H, you "may" get HSUPA (high speed upload) but it won't have notification.

I think its the hardware rather than ROMs
I think its the phone not the software. RMNET and PPP thing is correct. I did tried one build with RMNET and dataconnection was fast but had lot of drops. So i took on PPP.
I tried almost all ROMS, Darkstone, Nexus, Hyperdriod, Dexters, MdeeJay's and dont remember others.. All of them gave same issue..when it shows 3G its always "No network".
So, i guess i have to deal with it.
But it would be good to find out how many different Tmobile HD2 models are in USA (hardware perspective). I heard the earlier one's have different antenna which received radio(AM/FM) compare to newer models. And even some change of LCD / OLED..something which i couldnt understand at all.
Well, Thanks guys for sharing your thoughts.

memin1857 said:
H = HSPDA = 3.75G DATA -> Usually 7.2mbps (This is fastest normal data connection, sometimes along with voice)
3G = 3G UMTS DATA (old) -> Usually 384kbps (You will very rarely get this)
E = Edge = 2G DATA -> Usually 230.8kbps (You will get this when 3g signal is low)
G = GPRS (old) Usually 80kbps (You will get this when you are talking on 2g network)
Data rates are typical for HD2
You will sometimes get simultaneous 3G voice and data and sometimes not, depending on operator and location. (If your current location can't support simultaneous voice and data, you will see G icon when you are talking on the phone or have just hang up) You won't get simultaneous voice and data on 2G network. When on H, you "may" get HSUPA (high speed upload) but it won't have notification.
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Your response, while informative, has no bearing on this thread.
We are not asking what each letter stands for, as so many keep so helpfully responding to inform of us.
We need to know why, when connected to a 3G network, we get NO data connectivity, but do get it when connected to EDGE or HSPDA.
Also, your line about rarely getting UMTS is wrong, in the vast majority of the continental US, it is still the predominant wireless signal.