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Hi everyone,
It's my first post here - most likely not to be my last. Oh, and i know i spelt HSDPA wrong in the title!
I very very recently (yesterday in fact) managed to get hold of my T-Mobile Hermes (one of the .37 batch) and am having no problems whatsoever with the phone, the only problem i am having is getting any web download speeds faster than around 40kbps?
I phoned T-Mobile yesterday and after being on hold twice and explaining myself many times i think i got HSDPA enabled as the lady (who was very nice) said she promises it has been enabled for me. I tried half hour later and sure enough, i used www.dslreports.com/mspeed and could now download at around 800kbps - perfect! Unfortunately i tried again this morning and it says 40kbps again
Is there any way to tell whether HSDPA has been enabled on my phone before i call T-Mobile again? Does HSDPA just run over 3G? I haven't got a brilliant signal where i am - usually 1 or 2 bars, could this be what is affecting my download speed? I need some help!
Just realised i have spelt HSDPA wrong in the thread title - never mind! Can anyone help?
Have you read this dude?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276154&page=5
Theres a couple of files you can check you have i believe, also the Fit4cat program is worth downloading.
40kbps is GPRS data speed. Even without HSDPA you should get 300kbps on UMTS.
Your phone will show a U or a G depending on which network you are on.
It shows a "G" all the time in a little white block next to the signal bar, and sometimes the signal bar shows an antenna and sometimes a "G" also - does that mean when im on the "G" ill be on HSDPA and when im on the antenna (if i cant get 3G) ill be on GPRS 40kbps?
If so that makes a lot of sense as the signal is not brilliant round here, i went shopping in a much bigger town this afternoon and tested again -> full signal and downloading at around 1200kbps! Obviously it is enabled, think its just down to my signal....
Does that sound about right?
RTFM, the G is for GSM ie data will be GPRS.
You will either have a 3G or U depending on what ROM you're running for 3G/UMTS/HSDPA .
I'll be honest i only got half way through the quick start guide before i started playing with it. So, if my phone is always on "G" i'll assume i need to try and unlock it using the fit4cat thing? As T-Mobile have said they have enabled HSDPA on my account?
How did i get 1200kbps on GPRS by the way? It definately said "G" when i was connected and did the speed test...?!
I just ran the fit4cat Hermes tweaker and still no luck, it only connects to "G" rather than "3G", 3G is apparently available in this area so why does it only connect to G? Im confused and would really appreciate some advice...
Well if you probably didn't notice the U (or whatever) when you got 1mbps once it. This means that HSDPA is enabled on your phone and SIM.
The fit4cat tweaker only (dis)enables HSDPA but that isn't an issue because even without HSDPA you would be getting UMTS speeds.
One thing you could try is. Go to Start->Settings->Phone->Band set GSM/UTMS to GSM900+1800 + UMTS2100
You could also try a manual search for networks from Start->Settings->Phone->Networks->Find Network
Finally you can also disable GSM totaly using network type in the band selection and see if you get a steady 3G signal.
Thanks for your suggestions, here are my findings:
kevino said:
Well if you probably didn't notice the U (or whatever) when you got 1mbps once it. This means that HSDPA is enabled on your phone and SIM.
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Good point, i have a long drive home tonight so will check when going through built up areas to see if it connects to 3G or U then.
kevino said:
One thing you could try is. Go to Start->Settings->Phone->Band set GSM/UTMS to GSM900+1800 + UMTS2100
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Tried this, and phone disconnected then reconnected but still said "G" when connecting to Internet. Set back to "Auto".
kevino said:
You could also try a manual search for networks from Start->Settings->Phone->Networks->Find Network
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Did this also, it pops up with the message "Registering on the network" and disappears and thats it, nothing happens.
kevino said:
Finally you can also disable GSM totaly using network type in the band selection and see if you get a steady 3G signal.
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I cannot find an option to disable GSM in the Band tab, i have the following:
Select your network type.
__Auto
__GSM
Select your GSM/UMTS band.
__GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100)
__GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
and thats about it. Cannot find anything that would let me not use GSM whatsoever? I appreciate your help so far
It may be the case that your reception for 3G just isnt adequate enough to work where you live, O2 states there is reception in the area where i live but i only tend to get UMTS upstairs....just one of those things....here at uni i get FULL UMTS reception anywhere.
richieboy said:
I cannot find an option to disable GSM in the Band tab, i have the following:
Select your network type.
__Auto
__GSM
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In the dopod ROM it has a WCDMA option too. No big deal !
Seting the band was just so that the phone doesn't bother looking for bands that are not available in this country. To try and encourage it to check the correct UMTS band more quickly.
My suggestion to use find network (you need to select manual search) in Networks wasn't too helpful anyway as it doesn't list the band. So no use unless you can disable GSM.
Of course you may have got a spurious speed test result. How old is your SIM? It needs to be a USIM
Yes firstly is your SIM card a USIM....or is it a SIM card from an old handset?? I think youve already said you have had the 'U' appear on your TyTN at some point.....so again im going with the assumption you just dont have adequate UMTS reception for it to work....hence why you are only seeing 'G'.
So, funny story...
It seems where i was over the weekend (girlfriends) is borderline, so as mentioned aboved i can get 3G upstairs but not downstairs - i decided to drive around and got 3G all over the place...the best news is i get 2/3 bars of 3G at home too!
Problem solved, im an idiot - but hey, it doesn't hurt to ask right?
680kbps! Woo
richieboy said:
So, funny story...
It seems where i was over the weekend (girlfriends) is borderline, so as mentioned aboved i can get 3G upstairs but not downstairs - i decided to drive around and got 3G all over the place...the best news is i get 2/3 bars of 3G at home too!
Problem solved, im an idiot - but hey, it doesn't hurt to ask right?
680kbps! Woo
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girlfrends! Woo
K ya know beside the signal bar it shows a "G" then if you click on it it asks if you want to turn on wireless, well now there is a "U".
Is there someplace that can tell me what all these symbols mean?
Wow.... seriously... where do you live?
The U means that you now are connected to UMTS which gives you the "broadband" access through your provider. Make sure you have unlim data plan. It will start to eat it up when you realize what you get to do with all that bandwidth. Have FUN!!!
well does it eat up data if you "dont" use messenger or web browse? AKA: just use the phone?
I do have a data plan for unlimited text messaging and i use Wifi when i wanna surf.
Quick guide:
Starting with the slowest.
Second Generation:
GSM
GPRS (the G symbol)
EDGE (the E symbol)
Third Generation:
UMTS (the U symbol or depending on localisation, 3G symbol)
HSDPA (the H symbol, if you've got this, then you're in for some fast download speeds)
It all depends on which network you're on and proximity to a tower as to what speed you will actually get.
There are other types, but these are the ones you're more likely to come across using a Hermes.
U Bet
ROTFLMAO.... I thought I had a bug in my ROM after flashing it, even went to the trouble of rolling back.
What a freakin' idiot I am!....
I live in an area where i see U and H fairly often up there.
However, to me it makes little difference, I don't download large files with the device. Web browsing seems mostly unaffected by the connection type.
Having the device in 3G or 3.5G modes does however drain the battery somewhat faster. I saw the difference in my Uni. Can't comment on EDGE as the Uni doesn't have it, I'll be getting my Hermes today so I should be able to comment on that.
It would be logical that the faster connection speeds would drain the battery faster, but I don't know how much faster we're talking about.
However, if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether. Why? Web pages are going to render just as fast. Surfing the web is painful on these things regardless of the connection type.
On T-Mobile at least - here is a rough guide for the download speeds for different connection types. These are averages and do change and vary with signal strength. I work for T-Mobile, so these are accurate ^^
GPRS - around 44 kbps
UTMS (3G) - around 386 kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) - up to 1.8 mbps (increasing to 3.6 soon)
If you are on T-Mobile, and in a 3G area, then you will be most likely connected to HSDPA as it covers the whole of their 3G network.
Hope this is of some interest....
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if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether.
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But how? AFAIK it's not trivial with my unit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485.
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
Thank you. Now I know that in this sense, WCDMA = UMTS = "3G" icon.
Doom Tints said:
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
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That looks notoriously like one of my posts earlier in another thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485
Yeah. Someone said OH MY I HOW DO I DO THIS IT'S HARD OMG and then pasted a link to your thread, which says clearly how to do it.
A simple cut and paste seemed in order.
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Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
homerjay1981 said:
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
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T-Mobile UK will have these speeds by the end of 2008 all going well
Well my phone bill is the same so thats good
Text messages get sent a tiny bit faster, surfing is a bit faster. I dont see what the big deal about the HW upgrade was. oh well
Hi, I'm aware that my UK T-mobile Ameo is HSDPA capable and I think I'm in a HSDPA covered area but the homescreen only ever shows a little 3G symbol (or a GSM symbol when I'm not in a 3G covered area).
Is there a way to know whether I'm using HSDPA?
I guess one way would be to do a download speed test - anyone know a convenient way to do one?
tfotherby said:
Is there a way to know whether I'm using HSDPA?
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If you were using HSDPA, the 3G symbol would change to an H.
However, if you only have the £7.50 web and walk package, and only signed up after the summer, you do not have HSDPA on your account.
The £12.50 and above tarriffs come with HSDPA automatically, but for the £7.50 plan, you need to ask for it and hope that someone likes you enough to add it.
By the way, On T-mobile, you will not see the H all the time. It will only appear when you are transferring data. At all other times you will see the 3G symbol so that you are able to receive calls. If you are transferring data on HSDPA, the T-Mobile Uk network will force you down to 3G while the call is routed to you, and then jump back to HSDPA when the call ends to carry on downloading.
T-Mobile is the only network i have seen that does this properly.
Also, T-Mobile has gone HSDPA on all of their 3G transmitters. If you get 3G coverage, you definitely have HSDPA coverage, but you don't necessarily have permission to connect at HSDPA speeds.
tfotherby said:
Hi, I'm aware that my UK T-mobile Ameo is HSDPA capable and I think I'm in a HSDPA covered area but the homescreen only ever shows a little 3G symbol (or a GSM symbol when I'm not in a 3G covered area).
Is there a way to know whether I'm using HSDPA?
I guess one way would be to do a download speed test - anyone know a convenient way to do one?
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Agreed, you will see the H symbol instead of the 3G signal - I am on O2 and it works fine (you should also see an E to show an Edge connection where available).
The point about tariffs is one for you to take up with T-Mobile.
Make sure the HSDPA checkbox is checked, in Settings > Connections > HSDPA Switch. When I'm in a 3G area and I start downloading something, the 3G symbol temporarily changes to an H symbol, then changes back to 3G when done.
cottinghamm said:
I am on O2 and it works fine
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Do you see the H all the time, or only when you are transferring data? I know that on some networks that have an old revision of the HSDPA software, it can cause issues with receiving calls if you are on HSDPA the whole time. Have you had any issues with this?
tfotherby said:
Hi, I'm aware that my UK T-mobile Ameo is HSDPA capable and I think I'm in a HSDPA covered area but the homescreen only ever shows a little 3G symbol (or a GSM symbol when I'm not in a 3G covered area).
Is there a way to know whether I'm using HSDPA?
I guess one way would be to do a download speed test - anyone know a convenient way to do one?
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Firstly, you will only see an H if your ROM has different icons for 3G and HSDPA. Some do some don't. If the ROM doesn't have that facility, the 3G icon won't change even if you are occasionlly using HSDPA. As far as I am remember, some of the stock T-Mob ROMs do not include this.
You do not AFAIK need to ask T-Mobile for HSDPA. I have never asked them and regularly used it. I am on a £7.50 plan.
There are plenty of speed test sites out there - Google 3G speed test.
Another good site to check speed is "http://performance.toast.net/default.asp?allservers=1&checkid=" I usually check the "Text" box and try a few hosts...TJ
rhedgehog said:
Do you see the H all the time, or only when you are transferring data? I know that on some networks that have an old revision of the HSDPA software, it can cause issues with receiving calls if you are on HSDPA the whole time. Have you had any issues with this?
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Only when data is transferred, the 3G symbol is there most of the time.
always been seeing the H on mine, right from the original T-Mobile UK ROM. All Windows mobile 6 ROMS from HTC include the different icons, and unless the operators specify to take them out, they should always be there.
the T-Mobile ROMs do include the different icons, as do all the AP ROMs.
Sometimes you DO have to ask T-Mob for HSDPA. They originally turned HSDPA on for the £7.50 contracts by default. They changed this standard policy sometime last year (as i stated in my first post, i think it was in the summer, but i'm not sure) and now not everyone has HSDPA on their contract. If you ever see the H you do...if not, you don't.
i been working two days to finally get the internet to work on my phone and all i had to do was use the stylus to push the button under the cover. but now that i have a working internet for some strange reason, im not getting the H sign anymore, the best ill get is 3g. is there anything i can do to get it back?
the only thing i can think of is that i changed sim cards at att thinking it would fix the problem but it didnt until i did the reset. the sim cards are the same except the old one (iphone) is blue and the new one is yellow?
anyone know what i can do?
I don't know if my answer will help you, but sometimes i don't have the 3g icon and my 3g is working perfectly. Sometimes the icon is not showing the truth. Did you try your HSDPA or did you just see that the icon is missing wiothout trying it.
i would get the H sign in my house and i went to the city today after everything started working and i wouldnt get more than 3g, now im back home and im just getting E barely 3g. i dont get it?
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i would get the H sign in my house and i went to the city today after everything started working and i wouldnt get more than 3g, now im back home and im just getting E barely 3g. i dont get it?
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Ok, did u actually try to use HSDPA regardless of the icon? If u did and it didn't work, well, i guess it is a problem with the coverage of your operator or something.
I am on O2 in the UK and i get the H icon and if the HSDPA reception is not that good it switches back to G, however i have never seen the 3G icon appear which is very strange!
mkouk said:
I am on O2 in the UK and i get the H icon and if the HSDPA reception is not that good it switches back to G, however i have never seen the 3G icon appear which is very strange!
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You'll have to either disable HSDPA (Settings>Connections>Advanced Network) or go to an area with 3G but no HSDPA!
mkouk said:
I am on O2 in the UK and i get the H icon and if the HSDPA reception is not that good it switches back to G, however i have never seen the 3G icon appear which is very strange!
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As HSDPA is nothing more than faster 3g, most likely the cells in your area have all been upgraded.
isorryi said:
the only thing i can think of is that i changed sim cards at att thinking it would fix the problem but it didnt until i did the reset.
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AT&T does not really like for your phones to show the difference between the arrays that are at 1.8, 3.6 and 7.2.
They'd rather disguise it if at all possible.
You might have defaulted some settings that you or somebody else had changed, which settings you're unaware of. For example, your default setting might be to not use or recognise the 7.2 arrays, since there are very few of them anyway.
What I'd suggest is to run a few tests at dslreports.com/mspeed to see exactly what speeds you're getting when your phone is showing 3G. If your results approximate those of other people at the same location, I really wouldn't worry about whether your phone is showing 3G or H.
Just because you're not showing H doesn't mean that you're just on UMTS.
the G sign stands for gprs. thats what i get as im not in a 3g area
DOWNLOAD SPEEDS:
Icon "G" = GPRS (2.5G) = 171.2 kbps max
Icon "3G" = WCDMA (3G) = 384 kbps 512 kbps 2024 kbps
Icon "H" = HSDPA (3.5G) = 1800 kbps 3600 kbps 7200 kbps 14400 kbps
Don't blame your phone
He is only displaying what your operator beams...
im getting speeds of like 1100 kb/sec.
im so mad because i finally get my internet to work and NOW im not gettin HSDPA.
could it be that i got a different sim card from ATT?
I am using the same SIM card I used with my old EDGE phone
No need to change SIM unless your carrier forces you to do so
but im saying i think i was getting HSDPA on my other sim card and not on this one, i dunno why.
hi freaks.
used the freaking serach option, but didn´t find anything on this.
a friend of mine from the states gifted me his mytouch 4g. i´ve got it running nicely on wifi, but don´t get any 3g connection.
is this problem known?
i´m on th eplus network here in germany, my apn settings are correct. when i am at a spot, where i get 3g with my old samsung,
and put the sim in the glacier, i only get it showing H. G in bad locations, but never more then H.
is this problem known? here in germany, we don´t have 4g yet, so i would be really glad, to get 3G working.
any tips for a noob?
also, sidenote: when i´m on H, and viewing a website, it gives me a "stripped" look without pictures etc. is this some kind of "downsizing" and known problem?
When you get that "H", think of it as "3.5G" ...it's faster than the 3G network, but slower then 4G. It means your on T-Mo's HSPA+ network.
You can also "force" 3G... download "Any Cut" from the market, open it and make a shortcut using Activity. Select Phone Info, then select "WCDMA Only". If you don't want to download it, use the dialer and put in "*#*#3646#*#*" (I think that's it...) and it will do the same thing.
Your MT4G works fine. "H" is HSDPA or HSPA+, which is as said "3.5G" and is exactly what this phone supports.
It doesn't show you "4G" (which is only a marketing gimmick by itself - HSPA+ isn't a true 4G anyway), because it has no way to separate HSDPA and HSPA+.
great. thanks for the quick anwser.
i found a list for the speedsymbols, might be of interest for other noobs.
H = HSDPA je nach Netzbetreiber und Standort max. 1,8 oder 3,6 oder 7,2 Mbit/s
3G = UMTS max. 384 kbit/s
E = EDGE max. 220 kbit/s
G = GPRS max. 56 kbit/s
i was already asuming the glacier can´t handle 3G, only 4G..
the thing is, on my samsung galaxy it shows 3G and same sim in glacier shows H, wich ment, that the glacier had "stronger" signal. might bee. does the glacier have no 3G symbol at all?
why i was wondering, does anyone recognize this "downsized" internetbrowsing? i´m using dolphin browser, and evrything looks like an early tex only wepage.
unfortunately, i´m right now in a rural area, where i don´t have H or 3G, but will do speedtests tomorrow on both phones to compare.
under settings-wirelesss n networks - mobile networks.
i got that "wmcda" or gsm or both (auto) also, was already wondering, what that might be, so i´m gonna try that also 2moro.
-edit: found the fix for "downsized" browsing, google was forcing me to mobile view of wikipedia etc. never had that on my other phone..
Glacier has 3G symbol, but if you have the "mobile network constantly connected" option set to "On" and your cellular carrier supports it - it can stay on "H" constantly. Many stock ROMs don't show "H" at all, and only show "3G", to avoid just the type of reaction that started this thread So check if the Galaxy (S?) shows "H" at all, it probably doesn't.
Dolphin might have the option to show Mobile view and an option to skip downloading pics. Check that both options, if exist, are "Off".
i assume, u mean "enable always-on mobile data" it was checked, will test it unchecked 2moro and then see, if it shows 3G, as i neverever saw it...
i still got the customrom, but already lurking around the different custom ones threads
if i don´t get t-mobile tv running (just started a new thread for that), i see no need for tmobile rom...
yes, my galaxy (3) shows H, but mostly (only as i know now) 3G in the citycenters, and the mt4g in the same location shows H... really got to speedtest that stuff...
found-the dolphin fix already, as posted, google and wikipedia forced me to mobile view.. now, a day later, (and sober), i see the switch to normal view link all the way down
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i assume, u mean "enable always-on mobile data" it was checked, will test it unchecked 2moro and then see, if it shows 3G, as i neverever saw it...
i still got the customrom, but already lurking around the different custom ones threads
if i don´t get t-mobile tv running (just started a new thread for that), i see no need for tmobile rom...
yes, my galaxy (3) shows H, but mostly (only as i know now) 3G in the citycenters, and the mt4g in the same location shows H... really got to speedtest that stuff...
found-the dolphin fix already, as posted, google and wikipedia forced me to mobile view.. now, a day later, (and sober), i see the switch to normal view link all the way down
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Roms contain the 3G, H, 4G, evdo/cdma, 2g, edge, icons....But you'll only see 3G when connected to UMTS, and H shows for HSPA+. Depending on signal strength you'll see a different icon in status bar. The major US carriers that use GSM consider HSPA+ 4G, this is false but they've made it as a fact....
"The ITU announced in December 2010 that WiMax, LTE, and HSPA+ are 4G technologies."
in germany we call that "Mogelpackung"
edit. just updated to gingerbread, and now got a 2G logo, where before there was only the G ????
never saw or heard of that in germany, as quoted above, we have only 4 speeds..
this is getting more excited. perhaps tomorrow i might even see 3G
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in germany we call that "Mogelpackung"
edit. just updated to gingerbread, and now got a 2G logo, where before there was only the G ????
never saw or heard of that in germany, as quoted above, we have only 4 speeds..
this is getting more excited. perhaps tomorrow i might even see 3G
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2G=Edge, I'm sure Germany has Edge data now, and G=GPRS or 1G.
obviously this phone isn't made for germany.. after the gingerbread update, it eather shows 2G or 4G, where we even't have 4G in germany.. speedtest shows 1294kb thats not much, but more then I expected... thx god. I know now, that 3g is working, wether it shows it or not..
in the speedtest details, it shows H, where the fon showed a 4G. so guys, be warned, when travelling.abroad, nothing is what it seems..
tmobile, the former state company deutsche post got still ” beamtenprobleme”
handyheld said:
in the speedtest details, it shows H, where the fon showed a 4G. so guys, be warned, when travelling.abroad, nothing is what it seems..
tmobile, the former state company deutsche post got still ” beamtenprobleme”
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http://www.telekom.com/dtag/cms/content/dt/en/6908
If the company has HSPA+ in the US, does it not have it in europe?
How international roaming works, and why your device matters
Four frequencies (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) are used for wireless services worldwide. 3G frequencies include: 2100 3G; 1700/2100 3G.
Each phone has a radio transmitter-receiver that works on one frequency (single-band) or on more than one frequency (multi-band).
Since frequencies vary from carrier to carrier and country to country, you’ll need a device for international roaming that works on the frequency where you're traveling. If you have a “quad-band” device, it will work virtually anywhere there’s a wireless signal.
nope, no hpspa+ in germany, and I don`t think it`ll come.
they are just in the beginning of setting up LTE here.