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3G vs HSDPA

Guys, I just want to confirm that my Ameo really is running on 3.5G (HSDPA). Is there some icon or way to confirm that? I see the 3G icon at the top but bandwidth test returns 1.1 mbps and I expect more from HSDPA. Or does T-Mobile need to set a switch on their end? I have the web-n-walk plan.
Thanks,
Krip

1.1 is HSDPA, not UTMS

When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.

simdao said:
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
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hi, since you can connect to the HSDPA, can you kindly do a test for me for this problem?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302827

Am i on HSDPA....
As soon as you get higher bandwidth than 384 Kbps then you are on HSDPA regardless of what the icon on your phone reads, most networks have the feature enabled to register the "H" icon whebn you are using HSDPA but not all. The message is part of a SIB broadcast and is set as a parameter on the BTS cell that covers you - if this message is not enabled then you will only ever see the "3G" icon
As for speed 1.1 Mbps is about average if you are in a well populated area, the restriction comes mostly from the capacity available in in the BTS site serving you, most operators only have around 2x E1 (approx 4 Mbps) for the entire site so if you have more than 1 user on HSDPA then you will only get around 1 Mbps each - this dynamicaly adjusts if there is more bandwidth available for you to use. To get the higher speeds then you must be in a cell that uses 16QAM modulation (Tytn has this feature) and T-Mobile has this enabled on every site in the network but not all operators do!

normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.

web and walk plus
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!

hedgemonstahinz said:
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
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Not true, I have both W&W added to my phone account and W&Wmax on a data card and both sims are capable of full 1mbps HSDPA in either device

Restricted network speeds on T-Mobile
ice_coffee said:
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
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Hi there, T-Mobile does not have any restrictions on download speeds apart from your service level (wnw max, plus etc) almost all wnw users can use the maximum speed available to them (apart from the newer users). The network is fully 3.8Mbps already and has been for around 9 months, within the next 8 weeks it will be 9.6Mbps capable (with a new datacard or release 6 mobile device) and within 6 months they should be around 10.7Mbps capable - most of the restrictions that users see (speeds not higher than 1.2Mbps etc) come from lack of capacity in the BTS site or transmission backhaul, the system automaticaly restricts bandwidth per user so that all users can be served at the same time, and it's not often nowadays that you only get 1 data user per BTS site!! not in built up areas......:-D

W'n'W Std = £7.50/month - No HSDPA (except on some older contracts) 1Gb FUP no tethering
W'n'W Plus = £12.50/ Month - HSDPA - speeds vary depending on congestion - Athena limited to 1,8Mb max 3Gb FUP No VOIP tethering allowed
W'n'W Max = £25? / Month As plus but with VOIP
Unless someone wants to correct me that's how I believe it stands (the old W'n'W Pro for £10/month was only available for a few months)
T do not limit speeds but the 1.8/3.6/7.2 etc are maximums which are shared so you are unlikely to ever get 'full' speed.

My 3G vs HSPDA test from San Antonio
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing

Hmm,
I'm located in Singapore.
For some reason, after my HTC TP2 switch to 3G instead of HSDPA..
The Opera and Youtube speed is sooo much faster as compare with HSDPA.
When I was on HSDPA, the Opera is slow loading and Youtube a few time with reload for buffering.
Where else, on 3G.. the download speed is so much faster.
The first clip of the video start to play.. I can see the progress bar is on the
way to complete the video loading.
This proof 3G is better in Singapore with Starhub connection.
I still wonder
BTW, this is what I change in the Registry.
Locate the following key in the registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
On the Edit menu, point to New, click DWORD Value, and then add the following registry values:
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Base: Decimal
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
Base: Decimal
Exit Registry Editor.
then softreset and do a speed test

hsdpa
I need the help. But there is no such option under "advanced network" on the htc tilt 2(Enable/Disabled hsdpa option).What programs recomended for me
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anyone know i this will work with t-mobile's new HSPA network?

heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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i used samsung galaxy s wen showing H icon instead of 3g on att usa california, it gave results of 4.1mbps,
i used sonyericsson x10 on att showing 3g icon (it never shows H icon ever though), on att usa california it gave me max speed of 3.97 mbps

heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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I'm getting similar results with my Samsung Captivate on a customer ROM. 3G seems to produce faster results than HSPDA.

i used this tweak on windowsphone
works great!

a "U" where the "G" used to be

K ya know beside the signal bar it shows a "G" then if you click on it it asks if you want to turn on wireless, well now there is a "U".
Is there someplace that can tell me what all these symbols mean?

Wow.... seriously... where do you live?
The U means that you now are connected to UMTS which gives you the "broadband" access through your provider. Make sure you have unlim data plan. It will start to eat it up when you realize what you get to do with all that bandwidth. Have FUN!!!

well does it eat up data if you "dont" use messenger or web browse? AKA: just use the phone?
I do have a data plan for unlimited text messaging and i use Wifi when i wanna surf.

Quick guide:
Starting with the slowest.
Second Generation:
GSM
GPRS (the G symbol)
EDGE (the E symbol)
Third Generation:
UMTS (the U symbol or depending on localisation, 3G symbol)
HSDPA (the H symbol, if you've got this, then you're in for some fast download speeds)
It all depends on which network you're on and proximity to a tower as to what speed you will actually get.
There are other types, but these are the ones you're more likely to come across using a Hermes.

U Bet
ROTFLMAO.... I thought I had a bug in my ROM after flashing it, even went to the trouble of rolling back.
What a freakin' idiot I am!....

I live in an area where i see U and H fairly often up there.
However, to me it makes little difference, I don't download large files with the device. Web browsing seems mostly unaffected by the connection type.

Having the device in 3G or 3.5G modes does however drain the battery somewhat faster. I saw the difference in my Uni. Can't comment on EDGE as the Uni doesn't have it, I'll be getting my Hermes today so I should be able to comment on that.

It would be logical that the faster connection speeds would drain the battery faster, but I don't know how much faster we're talking about.
However, if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether. Why? Web pages are going to render just as fast. Surfing the web is painful on these things regardless of the connection type.

On T-Mobile at least - here is a rough guide for the download speeds for different connection types. These are averages and do change and vary with signal strength. I work for T-Mobile, so these are accurate ^^
GPRS - around 44 kbps
UTMS (3G) - around 386 kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) - up to 1.8 mbps (increasing to 3.6 soon)
If you are on T-Mobile, and in a 3G area, then you will be most likely connected to HSDPA as it covers the whole of their 3G network.
Hope this is of some interest....

Doom Tints said:
if battery life is a concern at all for anyone reading this, I would recommend turning off 3G altogether.
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But how? AFAIK it's not trivial with my unit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485.

From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.

Thank you. Now I know that in this sense, WCDMA = UMTS = "3G" icon.

Doom Tints said:
From your network type, select 'GSM' instead of 'Auto', which I'm sure it is on now. That will do the trick. You might see an 'E' if you service provider offers EDGE, but this won't be an issue, otherwise you will just see the 'G' again.
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That looks notoriously like one of my posts earlier in another thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=337485

Yeah. Someone said OH MY I HOW DO I DO THIS IT'S HARD OMG and then pasted a link to your thread, which says clearly how to do it.
A simple cut and paste seemed in order.

Radio Access Technologies
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)

homerjay1981 said:
Hmmm...u poor guys..in Austria the speeds are different:
HSDPA : 7,2 MB (yep MegaBits) DL and 1,7 Mbits UL
BTW: HSDPA is not 3.5G its just a bunch of new coding schemes and NodeB software mods :.)
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T-Mobile UK will have these speeds by the end of 2008 all going well

Well my phone bill is the same so thats good
Text messages get sent a tiny bit faster, surfing is a bit faster. I dont see what the big deal about the HW upgrade was. oh well

Howto activate H Icon

Hi all,
I've got an WM5 SPV M700 with the upgrade Orange FR ROM; I've upgrade the radio to the last version 1.50.08.11.
I've got HSDPA enable on my line .(With DSLReport I've got 656Kbp DL )
I've try the Registry tweak : HKLM/Software/OEM/RIL and create a DWORD EnableHSDPAIcon=1.
I've soft reset and check he registry. Everything is Ok.
When I do a DATA connection I never got the "H" Icon but aalways the 3G.
I've check around XDA search tool, google and other tools. The only thing I fond was the twaek or .cab file doing the registry modification.
I've check inside my \windows directory and there is the 3G, EDGE, GPRS, 1XRTT bmp icons but no HSDPA icon.
A frien has done the upgrade with WM6 and he have the HSDPA icon on the screen but nothing inside is \windows directory.
My questions :
- Is it possible to have H icon with WM5 ?
- DO I need to create an HSDPA_connect.bmp icon or something else ?
- Did someone have a magical cab ?
Chears,
Florian.

Are you in area that support (H)igh speed data connections?
I have 3G to allways on the sceen too, and when i use internet, it can show only 3G if there are not highspeed support.
example: when im at work im using only 3G ("3G" on the screen) connection because my carrier has not highspeed support in that area, but when im midle of my city where my carrier has highspeed data support, the H ("H")come on my screen when im using internet/download data. If you are in 3G area it dosnt meen that you allways can use the (H)SPDA speed, its depend on your carrier
sorry for my poor english but hope u understand what i meen

no proble with your english ;-)
Yes I'm in a HSDPA coverage area and I've test the speed and I downloading with a higher spped than 3G. I've also check with the FieldTest programm and the HSDPA CQI status are Ok to tell me that I'm HSDPA connected.
Are you running windowsmobile 5 or 6 ?
My OS version is 1.23.73.3
My Radio version is 1.50.08.11

Oh my god, there is really something strange : I'm walking inside my office and I juste have got an H icon.
The conclusio is that : The last Radio Rom plus the Registry tweak works inside WM5.
I'm now a happy man.
The explanation, is that behind my PC I've got a poor HSDPA signal
We can close the thread.
F.

Just on question?
is really 656kbps really above normal 3G speed?

in my case when Orange France stuck me to 3Gndslreports show me around 300kb, when i'm hsdpa enable the spped go to 600 kb
yes this normal because the speed are real speed when you read that hsdpa it's about 1,8mb this theorical speed wich are never seen.
One more thing remember that or kilobits and over are kilobytes. the conversion is very simple : 1 bytes = 8 bits
also there difference by measuring IP speed and radio speed. to explain your ISP sales an adsl ne speedup to 18Mb, remeber that this ATM Speed the IP speed is around 40% less due to ethernet and atm overhead ...

Very slow HSDPA

I am connected to T-Mobile Internet (HSDPA) and I ran a speed test at www.dslreports.com/mspeed but I only got 395kbps, 0.324s latency. Why so slow?

That speedtester is rubbish - I once got 250k on wifi.

arfster said:
That speedtester is rubbish - I once got 250k on wifi.
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can you recommend a better one?

i've just found out that t-mobile doesn't activate HSDPA unless you call up CS and ask them to enable it. some people have been told that you have to be on web n walk pro to have HSDPA whereas others have had it added free of charge.
http://www.3g.co.uk/3GForum/archive/index.php/t-45508.html

but one thing is still confusing me... the H is displayed at the top of my screen when I use the data connection. and when I click on it it actually says HSDPA. what's going on?

try http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html via your laptop. much better and accurate

if you have the H - then you are def on it. If it was just 3G it would say 3G. But bare in mind that T Mobile HSDPA has been dreadful for nearly a month. It gets so bad that I am considering asking them to release me from contract for violating terms of service. I pay for HSDPA as advertised and I dont get it.

I had web&walk previously and I managed to get full speeds for a while. Once I have reduced my call plan(not data) the speeds were down to 300kbps and less. On these occations, I would still see H as the indication but sure they were capping it on the network.

reopening old thread
I've got H and my provider allows speed up to 7.2/2mbps, but for long time (few months) testing I never get speed higher than about 2.4/0.3 Mbps. I've tested on computers via USB cable and on two different locations both about 500m from antenna.
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.

reopening old thread
I've got H and my provider allows speed up to 7.2/2mbps, but for long time (few months) testing I never get speed higher than about 2.4/0.3 Mbps. I've tested on computers via USB cable and on two different locations both about 500m from antenna.
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.

Which provider? Mobitel or Si.mobil? I have Mobitel, and it's true, that it isn't always as fast as it should be - in centre of capital city...

My ISP is T2, unlimited for 10€. It's not listed on this forum settings dropdown menu
What max speed do you get with Mobitel provider and HTC HD

feeltch said:
My provider say that I have all set up correctly and doesn't know why speed is 'so slow'.
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Nearly everywhere 7.2mbit hspa is a myth - the only way you can get it is if nobody else is using the celltower.

A very reliable speed test application is: http:www.mobilespeedtest.com.
The dsl.reports app (on my HD) provides non accurate results.

The more people using a HSDPA or 3G celltower - the slower your speeds get.
Trust me - I've done all the testing from a corporate perspective - HSDPA 7.2 is a myth - you'll never get that speed - its more like 3.2mb/s MAX!. On 3G the average bandwith is about 300kb/s - but only on a good day.
hth

feeltch said:
My ISP is T2, unlimited for 10€. It's not listed on this forum settings dropdown menu
What max speed do you get with Mobitel provider and HTC HD
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I'll test and report tonight, when I'm on a good HSDPA signal covarage!

yo compatriot , have you manage to test the speed yet?

With www.mobilespeedtest.com it managed to get 3Mbit downstream in Ljubljana-Vič, haven't tried Centre yet. For normal browsing and download of some small files it's ok. I'll report if I get better bandwidth!

With www.mobilespeedtest.com:
- I get a 2.37 Mbps speed test result on the 3 MB file(biggest) while connected from my mobile to a HSDPA 3.6 network which allows for a max 1.1 Mbps speed.
- I get a 2.4 Mbps speed test result from my computer while connected on a 15 Mbps ADSL - yes - I do 1.7 MBytes/sec transfers all the time - careful at the units of measurement!
- on smaller than 3 MBytes file size, the results are just random
www.mobilespeedtest.com is FAKE
The flow of the web pages has been so severely thrashed by ISP filters its not reliable to real testing anymore.
Stop.Calling.Any.Web page.A.Speed.Test.
Ping flood is designed for real measuring a line speed, but most ISPs have scripts which will ban you automatically if you sent packets faster than with a delay of 0.02 seconds. That is because is too much prone to abuse.

[Q] Cellular Network Settings

Hey guys, I've looked around but nobody seems to have the answer to this question:
I just got my focus unlocked, awesome!, and I'm trying to input the new DATA settings from Telus to be able to use 3G+, but the only settings available are the APN settings. There is no settings for Proxy Server or Port. Will this affect my ability to use 3G+?
The second issue is MMS. There is a topic discussing it, but the instructions provided were not accurate and do not work.
Hope you guys can help me tackled this!
Cheers

There is currently no way to enter configuration information other than the APN.
There are currently only 4 possible solutions to this:
1) Samsung provides support through their Network Profile app (available in the Samsung section of the marketplace on your phone). The problem is this app refuses to run on AT&T phones. So it's currently useless.
2) Microsoft exposes these settings to the user in their next update (supposedly in January sometime - but no details on if this problem will be addressed).
3) Microsoft exposes developer API's to allow changes to these settings (currently no such API's exist).
4) Jailbreak the phone and change the XML file that is used by the operating system to configure these settings.
In the mean time - for Focus users - there is no way to change these settings today.

Thanks for the reply, I'm guessing that without the proxy server and the port, I will not be able to get 3G+, which is why I'm stuck with 3G right now?

It its Telus, that means its a Rogers phone, not AT&T. So the samsung network profile app may work?

JMackey said:
It its Telus, that means its a Rogers phone, not AT&T. So the samsung network profile app may work?
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Thanks for the reply JM, no it's an AT&T phone. I bought it from the USA.

Hey,
Sorry i didn't really read the OP correctly My original post isn't really relevant to your case. So your phone never shows 3G+ or H when you touch near the top when browsing?
Have you tried a speed test? ( www.mobilespeedtest.com ) If your getting over 2 mbps after several test then i think your HSPA.
i pretty sure samsung focus doesn't support HSPA+
reaver_shadow said:
Basically, i've got an Unbranded Rogers Focus (within a week of release had the LG Quantum on release day), was able to unlock it, figure out APN data (kind of, read below), but get no MMS and difficulties with my data connection.
You should read through this Thread a started;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=850914
basically, Telus (i.e. Bell towers/network in the east) has an HSPA network only, but since the phone was programmed to work on networks which built up from the original GSM standard, the phone is constantly in "3G" (i.e. EDGE) and when a request for data is sent the phone detects whether there is access to HSPA.
Overall, this can take up to a few moments, however the phone will receive data over "3G network". Since bell/Telus only have HSPA you get no data (since not EDGE) until phone switches on/to HSPA mode (3G+)
Bell has the LG quantum, and works perfectly. Thus, i suspect the "network profile" can be changed to account for the HSPA only network. So when a data request is given, phone automatically switches on/to HSPA mode, without having to detect it first.
This is my hypothesis, i've done quite a bit of research, and while i haven't got a direct confirmation as no one will comment on a competitor network, and Samsung's response is " our phones are designed to work with specific providers" it appears to lead to this conclution.
As far as actually changing the "network profile" it can be done on an LG , HTC apparently has an app to allow customers to do it, but for samsung device, we've got no way to change it right now. yesterday, it was give some publicity by WPcentral.com
To keep up-to-date on the topic check out this link:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com.../thread/7834506f-c60d-4eb6-b04a-9829131922ee/
If a fix/workaround is found i keep your eyes on this forum as i will defiantly post something.
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reaver_shadow said:
basically, Telus (i.e. Bell towers/network in the east) has an HSPA network only, but since the phone was programmed to work on networks which built up from the original GSM standard, the phone is constantly in "3G" (i.e. GPRS/EDGE) and when a request for data is sent the phone detects whether there is access to HSPA.
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GPRS/EDGE is "2G" not "3G".

I just received an update in the marketplace for the Network Diagnosis app but it still doesn't run on AT&T phones.

Hey Reaver, thanks for the link, I didn't see your thread before, I'll keep checking it. As for your hypothesis, I never see a 3G+ or H icon at the top even when it is loading something, what IS REALLY interesting is the following test I made:
I started downloading a 2mb picture, or loaded a website, and as soon as I started that, I went to http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html and did a 3G speed test. These are my results:
When device is downloading 2mb picture, download speed was calculated:
- 758 kbps
- 1320 kbps
After downloading picture, download speed was:
- 176 kbps
- 148 kbps
Loading www.gamespot.com, download speed was:
- 924 kbps
- 612 kbps
- 947 kbps
After www.gamespot.com was loaded, download speed was:
- 226 kbps
- 289 kbps
- 88 kbps
- 284 kbps
Now as far as I know, these are high end 3G speeds, not 3G+. Anyone care to elaborate?

TomH123 said:
GPRS/EDGE is "2G" not "3G".
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From what i've read and heard EDGE is considered 3G "for the most part".
You are right though GPRS is 2G, i'll correct that on my post

ghaith_d said:
Hey Reaver, thanks for the link, I didn't see your thread before, I'll keep checking it. As for your hypothesis, I never see a 3G+ or H icon at the top even when it is loading something, what IS REALLY interesting is the following test I made:
I started downloading a 2mb picture, or loaded a website, and as soon as I started that, I went to http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html and did a 3G speed test. These are my results:
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Now as far as I know, these are high end 3G speeds, not 3G+. Anyone care to elaborate?
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I read a thread about something similar to this.
Question: are you using a old SIM card or fairly new one?
It's telus so i suspect it's fairly new

I'm using a new HSPA Sim card, got it last week. It's interesting that you see a 3G+ icon and I don't...hmmm
From http://mobilespeedtest.com without concurrent download:
- 307 kbps
- 462 kbps
- 500 kbps
- 512 kbps
From mobile speed test with concurrent download:
- 186 kbps
- 330 kbps
- 280 kbps
Now this is confusing lol

try 3 rounds of www.mobilespeedtest.com, and post back.
I only see 3G+ when using data, such as browsing or downloading from marketplace. otherwise it's 3G.
Icon or not, ultimatly what it comes down to is the speed of HSPA. The ceiling for bell seems to be around 2.5 Mbps.
Try mobilespeedtest at other location, and not much a few meters away. could just be your location.
Example( avg):
bed room avg 600 Kbps
living room near window 1.3 Mbps
Campus 2Mbps (but i know the towers are just outside)

ghaith_d said:
I'm using a new HSPA Sim card, got it last week. It's interesting that you see a 3G+ icon and I don't...hmmm
From http://mobilespeedtest.com without concurrent download:
- 307 kbps
- 462 kbps
- 500 kbps
- 512 kbps
From mobile speed test with concurrent download:
- 186 kbps
- 330 kbps
- 280 kbps
Now this is confusing lol
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try using 1MB (you can do it after the first test, under graph) this will give a more realistic picture of the speeds you can actual get at that location

From http://mobilespeedtest.com 1mb test without concurrent download:
- 1777 kbps
2mb test without concurrent download:
- 2053 kbps
3mb test without concurrent download:
- 1462 kbps
5mb test without concurrent download:
- 1668 kbps
2mb test with 2mb picture download:
- 635 kbps
1mb test with 2mb picture download:
- 1990

reaver_shadow said:
From what i've read and heard EDGE is considered 3G "for the most part".
You are right though GPRS is 2G, i'll correct that on my post
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Probably getting a bit nitpicky but EDGE isn't considered 3G by GSMA which is the authority over such things. EDGE and 3G are two distinct technologies. I don't see a definition for 2G but I've always seen that applied to both GPRS and EDGE.
http://www.gsm.org/technology/index.htm

TomH123 said:
Probably getting a bit nitpicky but EDGE isn't considered 3G by GSMA which is the authority over such things. EDGE and 3G are two distinct technologies. I don't see a definition for 2G but I've always seen that applied to both GPRS and EDGE.
Technically, isn't GPRS 1G and Edge 2G where G=Generation.
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HSPA+ Speeds working on SaskTel.
I have an unlocked Rogers Focus on the SaskTel network. We just rolled out our 3G+ network here.
I had to go into the diagnostics menu and change some settings around RRC Control.
After making the settings change, I was able to download > 6Mbit on HSPA+
Here's what I did:
##634# (diagnostics)
*#32489# - (GSM test) Shows the ciphering status and options to enable or disable it.
Pressed [Back] at the bottom.
[5] RRC(HSPA) Control
[2] Change RRC Revision
[3] Release 6(HSDPA/HSUPA)
[End]
Now I'm fast, wicked fast.
Can't claim it will work for you, but one setting can make all the difference.
I'm new to debug menus so I didn't know how to get direct into the RRC options.
If there's an easier code to get direct to this screen, please let me know.

dead_on_the_floor said:
I have an unlocked Rogers Focus on the SaskTel network. We just rolled out our 3G+ network here.
I had to go into the diagnostics menu and change some settings around RRC Control.
After making the settings change, I was able to download > 6Mbit on HSPA+
Here's what I did:
##634# (diagnostics)
*#32489# - (GSM test) Shows the ciphering status and options to enable or disable it.
Pressed [Back] at the bottom.
[5] RRC(HSPA) Control
[2] Change RRC Revision
[3] Release 6(HSDPA/HSUPA)
[End]
Now I'm fast, wicked fast.
Can't claim it will work for you, but one setting can make all the difference.
I'm new to debug menus so I didn't know how to get direct into the RRC options.
If there's an easier code to get direct to this screen, please let me know.
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where is the End button on the dialler in the last step?
also when I press 5 nothing happens. do we have to press 523 on the same screen and then which button to press to enable HSPA+?
edit - got it. I pressed the back button next to my windows key on the phone instead of the small 'back button' on the screen itself. did everything but still only 3G icon. my network has definitely upgraded to HSPA+
btw do you remember what are the default settings anyway for the focus if I want to revert back to original settings for RRC?

RRC
default is:
[2] Release 5 (HSDPA Only)