9100 is great, little big to carry around, but nice with w-lan and everything else. WM2005, didn´t like it in the beginning but now after 1 week I like it.. as all the other windows-based things u can do whatever u want
But now it´s confirmed, S200 is coming to sweden in the beginning of 2006. The size is like s100, s110 unbeatable......
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...obile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet.shtml
The problem with S200 is that it uses the same SLOW processor like K-JAM and it only drops the keyboard, adds WiFi 801.1g and a decent 2 MPixel camera. BUT IT IS SLOW! I will go for ETEN M600 with the 400MHz samsung processor instead of the awful 200MHz TI OMAP that S200 will have!
unless i am mistaken, there is no flash on the s200?
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
Mogwai said:
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
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I'll be waiting for the next incarnation of the jam with a faster processor and 3g for Skype. Alternatively the O2 Atom is going to be released in Dec. with 400mhz processor, WiFi, edge, 2 mp camera, front firing stereo speakers and it is smaller than the jam. I think if I didn't already have the Jam I'd be getting the Atom...maybe I will get it anyway
Hi Folks,
I need a new smartphone and I love the HTC devices.
I've been reading a lot of data charts lately and I'm really confused.
WHY IN THE WORLD did they cut magicians processor power in halfs when they built his successor charmer??
Magician has an Intel XScale Prozessor Bulverde with 416 MHz. That's about the power I'm looking for. But they downgraded Charmer to a Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Prozessor with ridiculously 206 MHz.
My old beloved Wallaby has almost more power!
Can anybody explain this decision?
I didn't find any benchmark tests of charmer on the internet. Magician's benchmarks are awesome for his size and high enough to play pocket quake or watch unconverted videos, but it seems nowbody is testing Charmer.
Any people here with a Charmer who want to run SPB benchmark (http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/?en) for me and post the results? or just tell me how many fps unvonverted .avi movies give you.
THX!
Hey. The charmer has about 1000 SPB benchmark points, the Magician around 1600. That's a fact, also for the Wizard and the Prophet. A good alternative could be the Hermes which comes out soon and has the Samsung 400 MHz CPU.
There are Magician benchmark, which is approx 1,200 (I've got that from http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=54370&highlight=). ). As for the Charmer, it is way way way lower than that. See the chart
here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=313810#313810
The only thing Charmer is good at seems to be the graphics. But there is a benchmark on charmer regarding video playback, which is still not as good as the Magician, which I suspect because of the low bandwidth of the Charmer's file I/O.
Take a look here as well
http://www.modaco.com/Benchmark_results_of_MDA_Compact_II-t234674.html
Any idea why they sacrificed so much power?
the data charts don't really say something about great improvement in batery life due to the slower CPU, which appears to be the only logical reason to downgrade a CPU in a PDA.
why did they do that? the charmer seemed so promising perfect with WM 5, long batery life and small size....
is WM 5.0 less power hungery?
Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout of WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and HTCs stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
The charmer is a rediculous device as the successor of the Magician.
Most state that WM5 is slower. I suppose this is mainly due to the new memory layout for WM5.
Why did they include a slower CPU into the Charmer? Maybe due to the cheaper price and a stupid management? If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
Another probable reason for the lack in speed in Charmer probably due to the persistant flash memory (doesn't need battery to keep the data) which is usually slower than the non-persistant ones. Think of it as having SD as storage for the Charmer. Someone ought to do a test on Wizard and compare Charmer against Wizard.
I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)
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I think they reduce the processor speed in order to increase the battery life... because most of the times, fast processor consumes battery life as well. we can see from iPAQ h6365 where it uses 168MHz processor. battery life was very good (apart from its 1800Mah battery, of course)
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exactly
the charmer and the prophet are designed as fones with ppc capabilities.
ppc battery life is a day or less, the charmer et al several days.
all depends on what you want the device for really, sometimes the lack of speed frustrates me, but the ability to go days between charges doesnt
Any one knwos the battery life of the Magician? My Charmer last only like 3-4 days with average 1/2 hours of talk and some basic usage, 24 hours phone on - standby
MY MAGICIAN (o2 XDAII mini) can only last for maximum 2 days...
And it 's very unstable when battery is getting low ...
Thoughts: Slower CPU and higher capacity battery seems to be the only solution to extend the battery life.... I rather charge every day and have a faster device
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If you want a faster WM5 device with phone edition, then look for the Eten M600 (very good benchmark results) or wait for the HTC Hermes which is soon to come and presumably will have better benchmark results as well.
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thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).
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thanks for the tip with the eten m600. looks really nice.
do you know any company who sells them with contracts in germany? I have problems finding carriers outside england on google or ebay.
I guess hermes will take another month (or two).
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You can get it for example here
Lets wait for the HTC Trinity
http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/01/htc-trinity-revealed/
Always waiting - I'm sick of it 8)
The Hermes has everything besides GPS that the Trinity will have. It doesn't feature normal SD cards as well, that may have been a reason for me to wait. Integrated GPS is useless in my opinion. The integrated reveivers have bad connection quality and all maps that you can get for navigation software are only working well for car navigation - my car has enough space for a Bluetooth GPS mouse. No need to wait if you ask me.
OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
The HTC Prophet I will skip, it is the same form factor as Magician, but has a slow CPU and no UMTS/HSDPA.
And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.
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OK, but HTC Hermes is not HTC Magician form factor. It has a keyboard and is much heavier and thicker. It compares to the HTC Wizard.
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Mh, ok. I will see how much the difference is in my pocket. I think it weighs 30 grams more than the Magician and is about 5 mm thicker. I think I can live with that, especially because I'd like to have a keyboard and I don't want to wait anymore
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And to bring you up to date: in those new devices is an "A-GPS" which means "assisted GPS". This means, GPS data is supported by localization data from the mobile network. That results in a much quicker first satellite fix and equals out some disadvantages of these small GPS chips. However, if your mobile network provider does not support A-GPS, you have a weaker GPS reception than with state of the art GPS mouses.
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Ok, you're right, assuming your provider supports A-GPS (additional costs?). But still there is the point with the standard navigation software which just isn't suited for navigation by foot or by bike. For the car, I can use a GPS mouse without any disadvantage (I already have one anyway). Personally, I don't see a good reason to wait for the Trinity.
omap 850 isn't slow!!! intel xscale is only 416 Mhz arm9 core while omap is an 195 mhz arm9 combined vith 67,5Mhz arm7 mcu(mcu speeds up the main core cause it controles ram instead of main core) so 195 mhz omap is aprox. or more 312 mhz of xscale, it also has 100 MHZ integer and floating point core and 2d accelator.....
So you say charmer is actually faster than magician? I'm having a dilema between these two, don't know which to buy? But would prefer faster...
of course no.
Hello,
Not sure if I have posted this is the right forum, but, I was wondering if there is a difference in performance between the Samsung 400Mhz processor in a Hermes - or the Qualcomm 400Mhz processor in the Kaiser.
My contract for my Hermes runs out soon so I can upgrade - and the only phone I can upgrade to it seems is a Kaiser. I am trying to find positives in the Kaiser over the Hermes (not much of an upgrade in my opinion).
So - is the Kaiser a bit snappier than the Hermes?
Yup - processor equivalent to "duo core" and PPC has GPS
My understanding is that the Processor is some kind of dual processor. 400MHz didicated to the OS and 275MHz didicated to the radio. This is suposed to make it more snappy. The built in GPS is nice but the incressed internal ROM and RAM (256kMB & 128MB) I think is a real plus.
Main Advantages over Hermes (off the top of my head):
Slightly smaller footprint
3MP camera
Built in GPS
Double the ROM and RAM
Dedicated processing for OS and Radios
Is there a battery life difference?
hi, i'm currently planning to buy myself an atom but need some good advise to choose either one.
the only difference i notice is their cpu clock.
atom runs 416mhz while exec 520mhz.
can someone tell me which one is better, performance-wise?
please...
both have same hardware right? means that i can use any cooked rom here on any one of those?
thanks in advance
I think Atom Exec had better performance...
but Atom Exec more expensive...
Im using atom exec. Only comment is that it uses the battery a lot.
Has anyone tried those windows 8.1 tablets?
They have some weird technical specs, like using a celeron n2805 instead of atom (which brings the question why is celeron more expensive than atom when atom apparently has better performance).
But they seem to be the only low cost 10 inch tablets which also come with a 3G option.